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Jul 30 04:23:01 * phil_bw wanders by
Jul 30 04:26:17 * rrix waves to phil_bw
Jul 30 04:26:26 * phil_bw nods to rrix 
Jul 30 04:29:31 <phil_bw> rrix, judging by your twitter posts it seems you are a hobbyist of many kinds, ever play with robots/servo motors much?
Jul 30 04:29:43 <rrix> phil_bw: a wee bit, not much
Jul 30 04:30:08 <rrix> I prefer hobbies that don't require me to buy new hardware when I fry it
Jul 30 04:30:18 <phil_bw> rrix, ah, nor I really but I'm working on this project for which I have a ton of programming knowledge and not much electrical knowlede
Jul 30 04:30:38 <rrix> I usually pair up with an EE for robots
Jul 30 04:30:53 <phil_bw> I'm trying to figure out the best way to power a 6 motor arm via an AC supply (approx 4 to 5 amp)
Jul 30 04:31:09 <phil_bw> (7 volts)
Jul 30 04:44:27 <invalidopcode> phil_bw: well its all really simple... you just use thevenin equations mixed with some ohms law and you're done :P
Jul 30 04:44:50 <phil_bw> thank you invalidopcode, that's really helpful :p
Jul 30 04:45:38 <phil_bw> blah, also having Enyo probs if anyone feels like helping
Jul 30 04:46:24 <phil_bw> trying to make it when I click one button it sends the mouse down event to another button.  Basically looking like I'm tapping two buttons at ocne
Jul 30 04:49:08 <invalidopcode-TP> phil_bw: glad to be of service (even though I have barely any clue of how to apply what I just said :P)
Jul 30 04:49:21 * invalidopcode-TP is not going to be EE
Jul 30 04:49:28 <phil_bw> nor I
Jul 30 04:49:47 <phil_bw> so do you or mr rrix have nay idea about sending a mouse down event from one control to another?
Jul 30 04:50:49 <invalidopcode-TP> I do not... rrix probably does
Jul 30 04:50:57 <rrix> I don't either, also I'm tired
Jul 30 04:51:00 <rrix> and not thinking
Jul 30 04:51:09 <phil_bw> no worries, I'm in the same boat
Jul 30 04:51:10 * rrix ponders
Jul 30 04:51:43 <phil_bw> I tried doing this.$.control.waterfall("mousedown")
Jul 30 04:51:43 <rrix> phil_bw: so when you click a button you want a different one to get the event?
Jul 30 04:51:47 <phil_bw> and onmousedown
Jul 30 04:52:08 <rrix> add an onmousedown controller and do a this.bubble in it?
Jul 30 04:52:14 <phil_bw> basically I want it to react as though it's being clicked so that it's shadow inverts and looks like it's pressed
Jul 30 04:52:48 <rrix> this.bubble(inEventName <, inEvent, inSender>)
Jul 30 04:53:27 <phil_bw> tryin' that
Jul 30 05:00:02 <phil_bw> oh duh
Jul 30 05:00:08 <phil_bw> it's css causing that effect
Jul 30 05:00:22 <phil_bw> this is a whole new problem now :(
Jul 30 05:00:25 * phil_bw goes to sleep
Jul 30 05:02:11 <invalidopcode-TP> I'm gonna sign off too... night rrix
Jul 30 14:12:45 <bigbluehat> this is very likely making its rounds, but here it is, all the same: http://tjholowaychuk.com/post/27984551477/components
Jul 30 14:12:57 <bigbluehat> very applicable to EnyoJS & Onyx
Jul 30 14:38:17 <fxspec06> interesting.
Jul 30 14:39:21 <fxspec06> somewhat a bit over my head
Jul 30 14:39:54 <fxspec06> maybe because i'm half asleep still
Jul 30 14:41:50 <fxspec06> enyo already uses the .json (in a way), so in a sense it's ahead of many other libraries
Jul 30 22:19:21 <ch3mical> I'm not sure how to debug this, but I'm trying to replicate the pulldownlist sample on my application and it works fine except when I pull down on it the list doesn't move, so the "pulldown to refresh" message overlaps the list
Jul 30 22:19:48 <ch3mical> It pulls the list down just fine on the sample site, though
Jul 30 22:20:12 <ch3mical> Any suggestions of what I should look at to see why it's not behaving the same as the sample?
Jul 30 22:56:16 <fxspec06> never used pulldownlist, but could you post the code?
Jul 30 22:56:23 <fxspec06> pastie or pastebin or something
Jul 30 23:40:59 <ch3mical> http://therealklanni.github.com/kanbanana
Jul 30 23:41:19 <ch3mical> @ fxspec06
Jul 30 23:43:45 <ch3mical> If you pull down far enough on the right panel, you'll see the "release to refresh" message
Jul 30 23:44:18 <ch3mical> The whole list is supposed to pull down at the same time, so that the message is revealed above the list, not behind/below it
Jul 30 23:44:33 <ch3mical> I haven't made any modifications to the base functionality
Jul 30 23:44:57 <fxspec06> i see
Jul 30 23:45:39 <fxspec06> which file is the your projects kind in
Jul 30 23:45:45 <ch3mical> Project.js
Jul 30 23:46:12 <ch3mical> Or do you mean the panel itself
Jul 30 23:46:18 <ch3mical> That's in Kanbanana.js
Jul 30 23:47:11 <ch3mical> I consider the panels to be part of the base application, so I reference the pulldownlist ("ProjectList" kind) from inside the panel components
Jul 30 23:47:28 <fxspec06> ya, that should have no effect on the pulldownlist
Jul 30 23:47:37 <ch3mical> That's what I assumed
Jul 30 23:49:20 <fxspec06> the list doesn't render at all on FF, which is interesting
Jul 30 23:49:33 <ch3mical> Hmm
Jul 30 23:50:03 <fxspec06> what happens if you take out the "tag: 'div'"
Jul 30 23:50:04 <ch3mical> Hadn't tested yet in other browsers. Was just working on getting the base app structure when I ran into this
Jul 30 23:50:08 <fxspec06> or maybe
Jul 30 23:50:15 <ch3mical> In which?
Jul 30 23:50:17 <fxspec06> what is under your project css?
Jul 30 23:50:19 <fxspec06> .project
Jul 30 23:50:29 <fxspec06> if any of that has position absolute or fixed it'd screw it up.
Jul 30 23:50:41 <ch3mical> nothing set for .project by itself, but .project.wipLimit for instance has a style
Jul 30 23:50:54 <ch3mical> No positioning stuff in any of the CSS
Jul 30 23:52:05 <ch3mical> Removing tag: 'div' didn't change anything
Jul 30 23:52:20 <ch3mical> Other than making the code a little cleaner :)
Jul 30 23:54:10 <fxspec06> 1. you need to put this.inherited(arguments); inside your rendered() function
Jul 30 23:54:20 <fxspec06> 2. you need a create function, and put the same line into that
Jul 30 23:54:37 <fxspec06> do that and lmk what happens
Jul 30 23:54:57 <ch3mical> Might also be worth mentioning that there's supposed to be a onyx.Toolbar at the bottom of the right panel, but it doesn't show I think because the PulldownList is pushing it off the screen
Jul 30 23:55:27 <fxspec06> every physical kind needs a create function, and every create and rendered function needs that line
Jul 30 23:55:40 <fxspec06> else you'll run into problems like you just had
Jul 30 23:56:56 <ch3mical> That was it. Adding this.inherited to rendered fixed it. Adding a create function didn't change anything, though, FYI
Jul 30 23:57:26 <ch3mical> Thank you very much.
Jul 30 23:57:37 <ch3mical> Now I need to figure out why the bottom toolbar isn't showing heh
Jul 30 23:59:01 <fxspec06> sweeeeeet. maybe you only need one between create and rendered. i don't use rendered
Jul 30 23:59:18 <fxspec06> if you wanna paste your thing again i can look
Jul 30 23:59:40 <fxspec06> or is the code still ther
Jul 31 00:00:24 <ch3mical> I tried it just in create as well but it didn't do anything, so it must need it specifically in rendered (at least in this use case?)
Jul 31 00:00:32 <ch3mical> I'm updating the code on github, hang on
Jul 31 00:00:35 <fxspec06> oh, it's because you don't have a create function in your main file either
Jul 31 00:00:39 <fxspec06> well that could be a problem
Jul 31 00:00:41 <fxspec06> part of it*
Jul 31 00:00:52 <ch3mical> Oh, I need one in the base kind as well?
Jul 31 00:00:56 <fxspec06> yeah
Jul 31 00:01:08 <fxspec06> every file you're gonna need that line
Jul 31 00:01:20 <ch3mical> Hmm, I must have missed that in the tutorial. I thought it was only saying that was needed in certain cases
Jul 31 00:01:20 <fxspec06> i had a good link that explained what it did, once upon a time.
Jul 31 00:02:32 <fxspec06> this link kind of touches on inheritance, a bit confusing https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/anatomy-of-a-control.html
Jul 31 00:02:42 <ch3mical> Well I just added the create function with this.inherited to both for good measure
Jul 31 00:03:03 <ch3mical> Seems to not negatively impact anything to be overzealous with it
Jul 31 00:03:10 <fxspec06> here is a bit better https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/enyo-basics-kinds-components-controls.html
Jul 31 00:03:18 <ch3mical> thanks
Jul 31 00:08:47 <ch3mical> Just waiting for github to push the changes to the demo
Jul 31 00:09:16 <ch3mical> And now it's up, if you wanted to take a look
Jul 31 00:10:16 <fxspec06> niiice! i love the pulldown list
Jul 31 00:10:19 <fxspec06> i haven't seen it yet.
Jul 31 00:10:27 <ch3mical> Yeah it works great
Jul 31 00:10:28 <fxspec06> thats gonna come in handy for my next project..
Jul 31 00:10:54 <fxspec06> so, your bottom toolbar
Jul 31 00:10:57 <ch3mical> On the master branch (on a server supporting php5) you can actually test it against the kanbanpad API
Jul 31 00:11:17 <fxspec06> you probably don't know how fit works yet, so i'll just tell you what will work instead of explaining it
Jul 31 00:11:24 <ch3mical> The data will change when you pulldown if you changed something on the kanbanpad server
Jul 31 00:11:41 <fxspec06> on the "your projects" fittablerows part
Jul 31 00:11:46 <ch3mical> I appreciate any help you can provide :)
Jul 31 00:11:52 <ch3mical> I just started learning it this weekend
Jul 31 00:11:56 <fxspec06> you've got fit: true, take that out and under classes add the enyo-fit class
Jul 31 00:12:04 <ch3mical> ok
Jul 31 00:12:13 <fxspec06> then under the {kind: 'ProjectList'} put fit: true
Jul 31 00:12:27 <fxspec06> and it should look right.
Jul 31 00:14:48 <ch3mical> So in Kanbanana.js I changed the FittableRows the encapsulates "your projects" to remove fit:true and add 'enyo-fit' to its classes and then in the kind: 'ProjectList' I added fit: true
Jul 31 00:14:51 <ch3mical> Is that right?
Jul 31 00:15:58 <fxspec06> yep
Jul 31 00:16:20 <ch3mical> Hmm still not seeing the lower toolbar
Jul 31 00:20:26 <fxspec06> ok then i'll explain what's happening
Jul 31 00:20:44 <fxspec06> if you look in chrome inspector in elements, the toolbar is displaying: it's just below the screen
Jul 31 00:21:09 <ch3mical> Right, that's what I thought
Jul 31 00:21:23 <fxspec06> the projectlist is taking up the remainder of the space between the top toolbar and the bottom of the screen, which is fine but the toolbar should still be in the way.
Jul 31 00:21:41 <ch3mical> yeah
Jul 31 00:21:52 <fxspec06> i think the fit and flex is tough to figure out, but the best way i can explain is this:
Jul 31 00:22:14 <fxspec06> you can only have one fit inside any fittable
Jul 31 00:22:26 <ch3mical> oh
Jul 31 00:23:07 <fxspec06> i see
Jul 31 00:23:09 <fxspec06> your list
Jul 31 00:23:23 <fxspec06> is 10000000 px high.
Jul 31 00:23:48 <fxspec06> in project.js
Jul 31 00:24:00 <fxspec06> change the 'kind' to FittableRows
Jul 31 00:24:22 <fxspec06> and add classes: "enyo-fit" to it, i think that might help
Jul 31 00:24:33 <fxspec06> inside the file itself
Jul 31 00:27:31 <ch3mical> Changing it to FittableRows worked
Jul 31 00:27:33 <ch3mical> Thanks :)
Jul 31 00:27:59 <ch3mical> I wouldn't have thought to try that I think lol
Jul 31 00:28:26 <ch3mical> I did notice the 1000000px thing earlier and thought that was strange
Jul 31 00:29:47 <fxspec06> coooool. glad i could help ;)
Jul 31 00:30:23 <fxspec06> if you wanna check out my latest app if you have a TP, cribbage board is freebie
Jul 31 00:30:47 <ch3mical> TP?
Jul 31 00:30:52 <fxspec06> touchpad
Jul 31 00:30:57 <ch3mical> oh
Jul 31 00:30:57 <fxspec06> maybe you don't have one lol.
Jul 31 00:31:08 <ch3mical> No
Jul 31 00:31:23 <ch3mical> We used to have one at my old job for testing
Jul 31 00:31:36 <ch3mical> Personally, I only own a Galaxy Nexus
Jul 31 00:32:11 <ch3mical> I'm developing this app for our dev team because we need additional features that Kanbanpad doesn't provide
Jul 31 00:32:42 <ch3mical> And of course we want to support any mobile device, so Enyo seemed like a good choice
Jul 31 00:32:50 <fxspec06> i see. enyo is an awesome choice
Jul 31 00:33:05 <ch3mical> Yeah, it's really good so far
Jul 31 00:33:35 <fxspec06> i made this in a few days https://dl.dropbox.com/u/40574271/Cribbage%20Board/index.htm
Jul 31 00:33:40 <ch3mical> The implementation of components works really well (when you do it right lol)
Jul 31 00:33:48 <fxspec06> that was while it was still in beta
Jul 31 00:34:17 <fxspec06> like, right after panes came out. of course, right after i made that (and another app that took me 3 weeks, earlier in beta) all the juicy goodies came out
Jul 31 00:35:21 <ch3mical> Pretty nice.. I'm not familiar with the game though
Jul 31 00:35:28 <ch3mical> I know it's some sort of card game, right?
Jul 31 00:35:46 <fxspec06> yeah, you can't actually play you still need cards and another person
Jul 31 00:36:01 <ch3mical> gotcha
Jul 31 00:36:06 <fxspec06> but point is it was e z to make and it took me < a week
Jul 31 00:36:17 <fxspec06> which was great, b/c i'm now in the middle of summer school.
Jul 31 00:36:53 <ch3mical> yeah
Jul 31 00:36:54 <fxspec06> but you can hit all platforms w/ a similar experience
Jul 31 00:37:05 <ch3mical> I did this beginnings of an app just over the weekend
Jul 31 00:37:13 <ch3mical> Of course it doesn't do much of anything yet
Jul 31 00:37:55 <ch3mical> Just reads your project data for now.. next step is to implement adding a new panel with the full project data (tasks etc)
Jul 31 00:38:15 <fxspec06> i'm excited about my next project tho. really optimistic. can't say what it is yet
Jul 31 00:38:37 <ch3mical> Well good luck with it
Jul 31 00:38:50 <fxspec06> ty
Jul 31 01:59:46 <EricBlade> why don't inputs or input decorators inside FittableRows actually show up in rows?
Jul 31 02:00:34 <fxspec06> not sure i understand
Jul 31 02:01:48 <EricBlade> { fittablerows, components: { content, content, content, content, inputdecorator, content, content } }
Jul 31 02:01:55 <EricBlade> the content all appears on individual rows
Jul 31 02:02:02 <EricBlade> the inputdecorator is jammed into a row with the next thing
Jul 31 02:02:04 <fxspec06> oh yeah,
Jul 31 02:02:12 <fxspec06> good question. no idea.
Jul 31 02:02:49 <EricBlade> input and inputdecorator don't appear to be in very good shape yet
Jul 31 02:02:52 <fxspec06> maybe you'd have to trace back inputdecorator, find out what it inherits
Jul 31 02:04:53 <fxspec06> http://www.webosnation.com/synergv-2-lands-bringing-google-voice-messaging-integration-touchpads
Jul 31 02:11:18 <EricBlade> ok, so if i view that article about an app on my touchpad, using an app on my touchpad, is that tablet inception?
Jul 31 02:11:39 <fxspec06> appception
Jul 31 02:12:03 <EricBlade> BWAAAAAAAAAAM
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