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Aug 02 06:01:28 <ch3mical> Can someone point me to a good example/tutorial for enyo.WebService?
Aug 02 12:11:44 <rrix> Bootplating non-bootplated apps is such "fun"
Aug 02 18:39:10 <EricBlade> so .. i have a Panels.. with a CarouselArranger. nothing special at all about them.  It has 3 panels inside it.  Whenever I select the 2nd or 3rd, both the 2nd and 3rd show up, and neither one are interactive.
Aug 02 18:44:49 <summatusmentis> I think I'm missing something crucial in how Scrollers work
Aug 02 18:45:00 <EricBlade> they don't! haha
Aug 02 18:45:12 <summatusmentis> well, that's the issue, apparently :)
Aug 02 18:45:22 <summatusmentis> have you ever figured them out?
Aug 02 18:45:33 <EricBlade> not really
Aug 02 18:46:10 <EricBlade> in enyo 1, i would put something above and below it, and then something inside it, and then adjust the flex or heights of components until it did what i wanted
Aug 02 18:48:26 <EricBlade> i feel like in Enyo 2, I have absolutely no idea what i'm doing, and hte "sampler" being just a random collection of stuff, doesn't really help
Aug 02 18:48:45 <summatusmentis> yeah
Aug 02 18:48:55 <summatusmentis> I really agree
Aug 02 20:19:56 <EricBlade> interesting.  When I made my App kind a FittableColumns, it started working.
Aug 02 20:21:05 <EricBlade> and wow my ipod touch's battery really blows these dyas. only a year and a half old
Aug 02 20:23:07 <fxspec06> i miss my ipod classic
Aug 02 20:23:11 <fxspec06> best ipods ever
Aug 02 20:34:17 <EricBlade> hmm. any particularly good way to center things vertically?
Aug 02 20:35:25 <fxspec06> EricBlade: if you find out, let me know
Aug 02 20:35:49 <EricBlade> actually, i don't want to center them. i want to space things evenly.
Aug 02 20:36:00 <EricBlade> like in Enyo 1, i would've just made a flex box with some spacers
Aug 02 20:36:26 <fxspec06> ya, idk how to do that
Aug 02 20:36:29 <fxspec06> =\
Aug 02 20:38:05 <kesne> Centering things is easy.
Aug 02 20:39:18 <EricBlade> did the tab panel thingee make enyo 2?
Aug 02 20:39:32 <kesne> EricBlade: I think it's in the WIP package for Onyx.
Aug 02 20:40:00 <EricBlade> i wonder if the webOS app ApiViewer is up to 2.0release
Aug 02 20:42:05 <fxspec06> yay, my pre 3 is here. now if this guy can just sign my barter agreement, i'll ship it out and hopefully get the VZW one by same time next week :D
Aug 02 20:42:30 <fxspec06> hpalm was kind enough to include another touchstone
Aug 02 20:42:47 <fxspec06> to ensure my desktop was completely lit up at night
Aug 02 20:48:21 <summatusmentis> EricBlade: I think you can put {fit: true} into anything that needs spacing
Aug 02 20:48:28 <summatusmentis> assuming you're using something fittable
Aug 02 20:48:47 <EricBlade> only one fit: true inside a fittable
Aug 02 20:49:13 <kesne> EricBlade: Where will it be running?
Aug 02 20:49:49 <EricBlade> on -everything- :)
Aug 02 20:50:21 <summatusmentis> wait, really?
Aug 02 20:50:25 <summatusmentis> only 1 fit: true?
Aug 02 20:50:30 <kesne> summatusmentis: Yes.
Aug 02 20:50:36 <summatusmentis> fittable seems completely undocumented
Aug 02 20:50:44 <summatusmentis> or, perhaps, uselessly documented
Aug 02 20:50:50 <fxspec06> you know...
Aug 02 20:51:05 <kesne> EricBlade: If you need something centered, that's easy. If you need even spacing of elements, I'm not sure of a good way to do that.
Aug 02 20:51:07 <fxspec06> i never really thought of this before just now, but.. you could theoretically do a nested fittable
Aug 02 20:51:09 <kesne> Percents work okay.
Aug 02 20:51:34 <EricBlade> umm.. is there a button that has two different states, not a flip-switch such as toggle button?
Aug 02 20:51:35 <fxspec06> a fittable within a fittable, on the first fittable put a fit true up top and then do your second fittable underneath, then there put content up top and do fittable underneath
Aug 02 20:51:45 <fxspec06> say that five times fast.
Aug 02 20:51:48 <summatusmentis> EricBlade: you can fake it
Aug 02 20:51:56 <kesne> EricBlade: RadioButton
Aug 02 20:52:03 <fxspec06> it should work though. i see no reason why that wouldn't work.
Aug 02 20:52:09 <summatusmentis> apply/de-apply the active class to a given button also
Aug 02 20:52:11 <fxspec06> voiala, centered vertically
Aug 02 20:52:37 <kesne> fxspec06: True, but resizing it would be hell.
Aug 02 20:52:51 <fxspec06> but you shouldn't need to resize it, it's a fittable
Aug 02 20:53:03 <EricBlade> good documentation for RadioButton.  "A radio button designed for use within an onyx.RadioGroup" ..
Aug 02 20:53:24 <fxspec06> b&n nook guys are all on me to port to nook
Aug 02 20:53:28 <fxspec06> they must be in trouble =O
Aug 02 20:53:36 <kesne> EricBlade: Look at the samples.
Aug 02 20:53:40 <EricBlade> does radiobutton toggle off if you tap it again? i only want one button. grr.
Aug 02 20:54:17 <kesne> EricBlade: It really wouldn't be that hard to make it yourself.
Aug 02 20:54:32 <EricBlade> sure sure, i'm just trying to prototype something super fast
Aug 02 20:56:51 <summatusmentis> alright, so, I need a scroller, that contains 2 items, each of which open a drawer, with a variable number of other items
Aug 02 20:57:04 <summatusmentis> I've got everything working except the scroller
Aug 02 20:57:31 <summatusmentis> and I'm pretty sure the scroller needs Fittable, because I can't set a specific height
Aug 02 20:58:01 <summatusmentis> I _think_ I need Fittable->scroller set to fit: true-> containing everything else
Aug 02 20:58:04 <summatusmentis> yes?
Aug 02 20:58:29 <kesne> Yes
Aug 02 20:58:35 <EricBlade> hmm. onyx.Item has no default stylings?
Aug 02 20:58:53 <kesne> EricBlade: I don't think so? I think it has a default "hold" styling though.
Aug 02 20:59:19 <summatusmentis> kesne: does it matter if creating components on the fly (as children of the drawer, or as children of the scroller)?
Aug 02 20:59:40 <kesne> It shouldn't. Just be sure to call render on the components you're creating.
Aug 02 20:59:54 <kesne> If it causes any issues, call reflow() on the fittable component.
Aug 02 20:59:55 <fxspec06> what's the diff in touchstone and touchstone 2.0 boxes? anything?
Aug 02 21:00:40 <halfhalo> touchstone 2.0 is the awesome
Aug 02 21:00:52 <fxspec06> i bet 2.0 is not (c) 2009
Aug 02 21:00:56 <kesne> Touchstone 2.0?
Aug 02 21:01:29 <fxspec06> yeah, with the extra coil so the pre3+ knows which touchstone it is
Aug 02 21:01:44 <fxspec06> so it launches the right exhibition app, basically
Aug 02 21:01:56 <kesne> I didn't even know those were released.
Aug 02 21:02:21 <fxspec06> well i don't have one, so i have no idea
Aug 02 21:08:09 <kesne> fxspec06: "opened to upgrade the stock SW to 2"
Aug 02 21:08:50 <fxspec06> kesne: ?
Aug 02 21:08:59 <kesne> fxspec06: That was on your monitor.
Aug 02 21:09:53 <fxspec06> oh, lol yeah. working a trade, guy got new vzw but he opened to upgrade software to 2.3/2.4, so vzw would activate
Aug 02 21:10:03 <fxspec06> in case of ppl who don't know how to doctor
Aug 02 21:10:34 <fxspec06> you must have done well in "i spy" or "where's waldo" =P
Aug 02 21:10:41 <kesne> Haha
Aug 02 21:10:50 <kesne> I love looking at the backgrounds of people's photos.
Aug 02 21:58:02 <summatusmentis> eff, kesne left
Aug 02 21:58:08 <summatusmentis> my fittable is collapsing to 0 height
Aug 02 22:29:07 <EricBlade> hmm. the onyx.Groupbox has apparently not been appropriately styled for usage in mobile.
Aug 02 22:36:32 <EricBlade> argh. enyo 2 is infuriating sometimes.
Aug 02 22:37:17 <EricBlade> checkboxes won't show up inside fittablecolumns
Aug 02 22:37:56 <EricBlade> i can't seem to figure out any other way to horizontally lay out things
Aug 02 22:43:32 <EricBlade> the group system has an activated event, which isn't useful for anything as far as i can see so far
Aug 02 22:43:41 <EricBlade> nor are tap events
Aug 02 23:13:07 <EricBlade> i also can't get anything after a "fit: true" element in a fittable to display on Android
Aug 02 23:51:04 <fxspec06> android is so sad in that regard. it's painful
Aug 02 23:51:35 <fxspec06> 2012 and its webkit doesn't respond well to javascript / dom programming>? please
Aug 02 23:51:50 <fxspec06> no excuse for it
Aug 02 23:53:33 <fxspec06> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4_5c1OJXc4
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