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Aug 04 03:11:17 <kesne> Wow
Aug 04 03:11:24 <kesne> Villo is all the way up to 44kb.
Aug 04 03:12:21 <kesne> No way, it's halfy!
Aug 04 04:09:32 <ch3mical> So does anyone know of a reliable way to remove/destroy controls?
Aug 04 04:09:53 <kesne> destroyComponent?
Aug 04 04:10:37 <ch3mical> I get a weird error about isAnimating (isAnimated?) when I use that and I have to force a render, but it doesn't remove them from the DOM
Aug 04 04:11:01 <ch3mical> destroyClientControls seems to work better but also isn't removing them from the DOM
Aug 04 04:11:28 <kesne> You have to call render on things after you alter the component tree.
Aug 04 04:11:29 <ch3mical> I've also tried iterating over the children array of the parent control and using removeChild
Aug 04 04:11:50 <ch3mical> destroyClientControls doesn't require it
Aug 04 04:11:54 <ch3mical> (render)
Aug 04 04:12:12 <kesne> For reals?
Aug 04 04:12:14 <kesne> Interesting.
Aug 04 04:12:15 <ch3mical> It does it automatically, however they don't get actually removed, just hidden or something
Aug 04 04:12:33 <kesne> Try calling render on a higher element.
Aug 04 04:12:34 <ch3mical> So when I try to create new controls I get errors (because the new controls have the same name)
Aug 04 04:12:45 <kesne> Hmm
Aug 04 04:12:46 <kesne> Weird.
Aug 04 04:12:50 <kesne> I've never had those issues.
Aug 04 04:12:56 <ch3mical> Well warnings, but also they don't render properly
Aug 04 04:13:20 <ch3mical> goto http://therealklanni.github.com/kanbanana and click a few times on the listed projects
Aug 04 04:13:26 <ch3mical> You'll see what I mean
Aug 04 04:14:41 <kesne> No projects show up for me.
Aug 04 04:15:15 <ch3mical> Refresh?
Aug 04 04:15:28 <ch3mical> It's just loading json from a file
Aug 04 04:15:55 <ch3mical> Oh, oops, hang on
Aug 04 04:16:01 <ch3mical> Something didn't merge properly
Aug 04 04:16:24 <ch3mical> brb
Aug 04 04:16:43 <kesne> Okay.
Aug 04 04:21:28 <ch3mical> omg my mouse won't click anymore lol
Aug 04 04:22:56 <ch3mical> and now it's working
Aug 04 04:22:59 <ch3mical> weird
Aug 04 04:23:07 <ch3mical> OK fixed the demo, try now
Aug 04 04:25:55 <ch3mical> Watch the console, that's the best I've come up with so far
Aug 04 04:26:10 <ch3mical> But it still complains they already exist when it rebuilds them
Aug 04 04:27:18 <kesne> I'd need to see the code to fix it.
Aug 04 04:27:36 <ch3mical> The reason it's wrapped in a while statement is because (for whatever reason) enyo.forEach (which calls Array.forEach) only iterates over half of the array
Aug 04 04:27:36 <kesne> And just like that, there's the source.
Aug 04 04:27:50 <ch3mical> Yeah you should be able to see the source
Aug 04 04:27:56 <ch3mical> Look in Project.js and Board.js
Aug 04 04:28:09 <kesne> Why are you using the master object?
Aug 04 04:28:17 <ch3mical> What do you mean?
Aug 04 04:28:24 <kesne> enyo.$
Aug 04 04:28:43 <ch3mical> Because it was the quickest way to reference the object
Aug 04 04:28:57 <ch3mical> If there's a better way, I'm all ears
Aug 04 04:29:02 <kesne> Events.
Aug 04 04:29:25 <ch3mical> Elaborate?
Aug 04 04:30:13 <ch3mical> I just started on enyo a week ago, so I haven't learned all the ins and outs yet. The tutorials only show you so much.
Aug 04 04:30:39 <kesne> on tap, bubble an event up, add a handler wherever the board and the project meet.
Aug 04 04:30:42 <kesne> Then waterfall it down.
Aug 04 04:30:47 <kesne> Or use signals, if you're lazy.
Aug 04 04:31:05 <kesne> Never use enyo.$.
Aug 04 04:31:30 <ch3mical> I'll do that. Can you point me to an example?
Aug 04 04:31:58 <kesne> https://github.com/enyojs/enyo/wiki/Event-Handling
Aug 04 04:32:10 <ch3mical> Cool thanks :)
Aug 04 04:32:26 <kesne> Also, don't use new Board.
Aug 04 04:32:30 <kesne> use create Component.
Aug 04 04:32:44 <kesne> so wherever you implement kanbanana_panels.
Aug 04 04:33:01 <ch3mical> Ah ok
Aug 04 04:33:05 <kesne> this.$.kanbanana_panels.createComponent({kind: "Board"});
Aug 04 04:33:20 <ch3mical> That makes more sense
Aug 04 04:33:31 <ch3mical> Still acclimating to enyo's style
Aug 04 04:33:37 <kesne> You'll get used to it.
Aug 04 04:34:02 <kesne> Also
Aug 04 04:34:09 <ch3mical> When I do it that way, do I just include the other object params in there as well?
Aug 04 04:34:12 <kesne> With things like xhr, you can chain it and get rid of the local variable.
Aug 04 04:34:22 <ch3mical> Oh good to know
Aug 04 04:34:29 <kesne> Yeah, just as if you were adding it in the components block.
Aug 04 04:34:47 <kesne> Also, example: new enyo.Ajax().response().go()
Aug 04 04:34:53 <ch3mical> Does enyo have anything analagous to jQuery.extend?
Aug 04 04:35:22 <kesne> enyomixin
Aug 04 04:35:34 <ch3mical> Ah ok
Aug 04 04:35:38 <kesne> enyo.mixin(target, source);
Aug 04 04:35:49 <kesne> Copies custom properties from the source object to the target object.
Aug 04 04:35:50 <ch3mical> I was looking for that earlier couldn't figure out what it was being called
Aug 04 04:36:27 <kesne> When in doubt, check the source.
Aug 04 04:36:36 <kesne> Object manipulation is in kernel/lang.js
Aug 04 04:36:49 <kesne> Also, it has a handy enyo.isArray function
Aug 04 04:36:53 <kesne> you don't have to call instanceof
Aug 04 04:36:58 <ch3mical> Awesome
Aug 04 04:37:14 <ch3mical> You're chock full of helpful advice :)
Aug 04 04:37:50 <kesne> Haha, I've been here a while.
Aug 04 04:37:54 <ch3mical> It shows
Aug 04 04:38:06 <kesne> I'm not even close to some of the people here in terms of knowledge though.
Aug 04 04:39:43 <ch3mical> Well I think I'll work on refactoring some of that code, following your advice, and come back to the control/component issue later
Aug 04 04:39:57 <ch3mical> Thanks for the help
Aug 04 04:44:33 <slcort> trying to use a FittableColumns item to go in a List, the item I set fit: true for gets width: NaNpx when i look in firebug. beginners mistake?
Aug 04 06:31:07 <rrix> Hi #enyojs
Aug 04 06:45:50 <ch3mical> hi
Aug 04 17:03:37 <rrix> Oh man, enyo hackathon is gonna be fun today :)
Aug 04 17:43:06 <kesne> I'm writing an example of VilloJS + Enyo
Aug 04 17:43:18 <kesne> Should I use Onyx or not?
Aug 04 17:47:02 <fxspec06> why note
Aug 04 17:47:03 <fxspec06> not*
Aug 04 17:47:15 <kesne> Alright, I'll do it!
Aug 04 17:47:17 <kesne> Also
Aug 04 17:47:27 <kesne> MoreToolbar and Fittable doesn't seem to work.
Aug 04 17:47:44 <fxspec06> ><
Aug 04 17:47:50 <fxspec06> someone needs to make a fittable tutorial
Aug 04 17:47:58 <kesne> why?
Aug 04 17:48:18 <fxspec06> bc everyone always asking about it lol
Aug 04 17:48:28 <kesne> Heh, I understand it just fine.
Aug 04 17:48:38 <kesne> The MoreToolbar kind just doesn't work with it.
Aug 04 17:48:47 <kesne> Well, at least not with it as a layoutKind.
Aug 04 17:49:53 <fxspec06> oh
Aug 04 17:49:58 <fxspec06> hrm
Aug 04 17:50:02 * fxspec06 shrugs
Aug 04 17:50:09 <fxspec06> i have faith in you
Aug 04 17:50:15 <kesne> Also, VilloJS just got full presence support :)
Aug 04 17:50:21 <fxspec06> full presence?
Aug 04 17:50:26 <kesne> Users in a room
Aug 04 17:50:32 <kesne> It works.
Aug 04 17:50:35 <fxspec06> sweet!
Aug 04 17:51:04 <kesne> I had a buggy implementation with villo.presence.join and get, but now PubNub supports it.
Aug 04 18:55:03 <enyo_hacker> hallooo from #enyohack
Aug 04 18:59:32 <reyawn> hello in tvland!
Aug 04 18:59:33 <enyo_hackathon> Greetings from the Enyo Hackathon.  We're running this on the big screen here in the hackathon room.
Aug 04 19:01:41 <rrix> enyo_hackathon: Hello world!
Aug 04 19:02:24 <halfhalo> weeeeeee
Aug 04 19:02:36 <reyawn> brb
Aug 04 19:08:45 <dkirker> o hai enyo_hackathon!
Aug 04 19:13:00 <dkirker> enyo.kind({name: "Hackathon", components: [{name: "hackers", kind: "People"}, {name: "enyojsTeam", kind: "Gods"}], create: function() { this.letTheFunBegin(); }, letTheFunBegin: function() { this.$.enyojsTeam.clone(this.$.hackers); } });
Aug 04 19:17:17 <Cerealklr> be back soon!
Aug 04 19:29:29 <fxspec06> woooooooooo
Aug 04 19:40:45 <enyo_hackathon> Just got our first pull request of the day from Ryan J Duffy!
Aug 04 19:43:50 <rrix> woo!
Aug 04 19:45:06 <kesne> rrix: Are you there?
Aug 04 19:45:13 <rrix> Yup
Aug 04 19:45:51 <kesne> Nice
Aug 04 19:45:54 <rrix> Yeah
Aug 04 19:46:01 <rrix> hanging out with dkirker right now
Aug 04 19:46:03 * rrix waves
Aug 04 19:46:03 <kesne> How's the hackathon set up?
Aug 04 19:46:21 <rrix> kesne: We did some presentations, now there's just a bunch of tables set up for people to do Cool Things
Aug 04 19:46:26 <rrix> then eventually showing off Cool Things
Aug 04 19:46:37 <kesne> Ah, I see. What's the pull request jazz about?
Aug 04 19:47:03 <rrix> kesne: Every time someone does a pull request on enyo core, there's a bell that' rang, and they get an enyo patch
Aug 04 19:47:07 <rrix> "a patch for a patch"
Aug 04 19:47:13 <kesne> Ah
Aug 04 19:47:21 <kesne> If I was there, I'd pull request the shit out of that.
Aug 04 19:47:25 <rrix> like, an iron on patch (or stitch on?)
Aug 04 19:47:38 <Cerealklr> It's a good stitch-on patch
Aug 04 19:47:43 <rrix> :)
Aug 04 19:48:03 <Cerealklr> I've got one myself, we just didn't have an enyo overshirt in my size.
Aug 04 19:48:27 <rrix> Those shirts are stylin'
Aug 04 19:49:33 <Cerealklr> Heh, yeah. I've got a really nice military-style leather coat at home which'll look nice with the patch too.
Aug 04 20:01:11 <enyo_hackathon> We
Aug 04 20:01:30 <enyo_hackathon> We're going to send out patches to people outside the hackathon who do pull requests today too
Aug 04 20:01:39 <enyo_hackathon> so don't be shy!
Aug 04 20:23:56 <lwu_> submitted a pull request!
Aug 04 20:24:33 <lwu_> https://github.com/enyojs/enyo/pull/127 -- doesn't quite do much, but hey gotta start somewhere
Aug 04 20:44:03 <enyo_hackathon> new patch from lwu just pulled!  Just pulled the fix!
Aug 04 20:44:49 <romyilano> Is there anyone working on phonegap, who has replaced the infinite scroll usually used by iscroll.js with enyo?
Aug 04 20:45:05 <romyilano> I'd love to see a good bottom navbar example in enyojs implemented onto iOS Phonegap
Aug 04 20:47:19 <EricBlade> not entirely sure what you're asking about there romyilano
Aug 04 20:51:35 <enyo_hackathon> Almost 2PM -- 4 hours of hacking left before presentations start.
Aug 04 20:51:51 <reyawn> romyilano: you mean using an enyo.Toolbar?
Aug 04 20:52:23 <kesne> enyo_hackathon: When do we have to submit pull requests by?
Aug 04 20:52:59 <enyo_hackathon> kesne: anything today will be fine... we'll likely do the patch-for-a-patch thing for a while after the event
Aug 04 20:53:10 <kesne> enyo_hackathon: Okay, awesome!
Aug 04 20:53:31 <romyilano> @reyawn - hey i'ld like to try out the toolbar. there's a template for the toolbar
Aug 04 20:53:41 <romyilano> @reyawn the enyojs.com/sampler has a toolbar
Aug 04 20:54:28 <reyawn> @romyilano yes,nthat should work.
Aug 04 20:56:46 <romyilano> @reyawn yeah the toolbar is something the enyo evangelists should point out -- it's a good solution for phonegap + ios apps i think
Aug 04 21:18:35 <kesne> What is Arthur doing here?
Aug 04 21:18:59 <ArthurThornton> kesne: supporting the hackathon-ers ;)
Aug 04 21:19:18 <kesne> Psh
Aug 04 21:19:28 <kesne> I would be there if you guys paid for my ticket...
Aug 04 21:19:36 <enyo_hackathon> Another pull request accepted: Gagan Basandra, you get a patch!
Aug 04 21:19:59 <Pre101_Roy> PATCH! PATCH! PATCH! PATCH! PATCH! PATCH! PATCH! PATCH!
Aug 04 21:20:20 <kesne> Psh.
Aug 04 21:20:54 <ArthurThornton> Jordan: put together some enyo patches and maybe you'll get yourself an enyo patch :)
Aug 04 21:21:08 <reyawn> Patch-a-thon?
Aug 04 21:21:12 <kesne> I don't know what to do!
Aug 04 21:22:09 <ArthurThornton> kesne: look through our Enyo Jira and find a bug to fix. Or perhaps you know of a bug you wanted fixed or a feature you want added. Then do that and submit a pull request
Aug 04 21:22:37 <kesne> ArthurThornton: Maybe I'll play with retina graphics.
Aug 04 21:23:59 <reyawn> enyo.retinafy (I hate that word)
Aug 04 21:24:24 <kesne> I'll just make similar 2x graphics for the few images in onyx.
Aug 04 21:24:38 <kesne> Because you guys don't post the psd or anything, I'll be guessing.
Aug 04 21:37:44 <kesne> There
Aug 04 21:37:46 <kesne> Pull request.
Aug 04 21:37:48 <kesne> To Onyx.
Aug 04 21:41:18 <romyilano> ok there are some nice toolbar sample files in the enyo bootplate under lib/onyx/samples
Aug 04 21:41:38 <romyilano> and then they taught me, be careful of doing google searches on enyo becausey ou might be looking at enyo 1.0 documentation not the newer 2.0
Aug 04 21:42:01 <romyilano> I'm putting enyo into phonegap / cordova 2.0 right now to learn
Aug 04 21:44:49 <fxspec06> so when does the hackathon start? i gotta pick who to cheer for
Aug 04 21:47:10 <enyo_hackathon> looks like kesne just earned his wings... er, patch!
Aug 04 21:47:31 * lwu_ claps
Aug 04 21:50:03 <reyawn> kesne: We rang a bell and everyone clapped over here. :)
Aug 04 21:50:27 <kesne> Yay!
Aug 04 21:51:33 <kesne> What else can I do.
Aug 04 21:51:35 <kesne> Suggestions?
Aug 04 21:51:39 <rrix> Things!
Aug 04 21:52:03 <kesne> That's not vague at all.
Aug 04 21:52:03 <fxspec06> Lots and lots of stuff! And some things!
Aug 04 21:53:39 <rrix> Where can I find allergy medicine? Like benadryl or something
Aug 04 21:58:06 <rev> @rrix: There's a Lucky supermarket at Maude and Mathilda
Aug 04 22:03:00 <kesne> Woo
Aug 04 22:03:05 <kesne> MoreToolbar with fittable!
Aug 04 22:04:49 <romyilano> yeah the enyo toolbar is nice
Aug 04 22:04:55 <romyilano> i'm squishing the enyo toolbar into hponegap
Aug 04 22:08:21 <cheshire> ugh, time for a trip to the home depot. test lab is getting too hot. need a fan!
Aug 04 22:11:53 <kesne> And there we go.
Aug 04 23:01:53 <enyo_hackathon> Two hours to go! The excitement in the room is palpable.
Aug 04 23:13:29 <lwu_> are we supposed to sign up somewhere to demo?
Aug 04 23:16:06 <summatusmentis> hi all
Aug 04 23:16:41 <summatusmentis> I have a potentially very long list that I'd like to have individually modifiable elements in each row
Aug 04 23:16:57 <summatusmentis> is there a good way to manage this?
Aug 04 23:19:23 <Tibfib_> summatusmentis: no
Aug 04 23:19:44 <Tibfib_> it's tough with Lists, but easy with Repeaters
Aug 04 23:30:03 <fxspec06> individually modifiable elements?
Aug 05 01:16:12 <enyo_hackathon> presentation will start in a moment, I'll tweet the URL
Aug 05 02:05:37 <EricBlade> i saw no such tweet :|
Aug 05 02:51:29 * DougReeder waves hello
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