**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 10 02:59:58 2012
Dec 10 23:58:45 * phil_bw wanders by
Dec 10 23:59:23 <phil_bw> hey fxspec06 you around?
Dec 11 00:13:09 <fxspec06> yo
Dec 11 00:13:18 <phil_bw> hey
Dec 11 00:13:28 <phil_bw> couple things
Dec 11 00:13:49 <fxspec06> sure what's up
Dec 11 00:14:01 <phil_bw> seen you rantin' and ravin' about window placement on multiple monitors, check out: http://winsplit-revolution.com
Dec 11 00:14:15 <phil_bw> simple hot keys and drag and drop let you pin windows in all sorts of configurations
Dec 11 00:14:19 <fxspec06> coooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Dec 11 00:14:42 <phil_bw> also, I'm digging through old hard drives and as soon as I find it I'll have some old C++ code for ya
Dec 11 00:14:54 <fxspec06> woah even cooler man
Dec 11 00:14:56 <phil_bw> it compiles to something that should be able to be run on a Pre pretty easily
Dec 11 00:15:10 <phil_bw> as soon as I let my dog take leak, one sec
Dec 11 00:15:12 <fxspec06> buddy from c++ class apparently lives like, TWO streets over. insanity
Dec 11 00:15:31 <fxspec06> but anyways he's new, but high iq, i'll show him too
Dec 11 00:15:36 <fxspec06> think i wanna teach him some stuff
Dec 11 00:16:10 <phil_bw> yeah, c++ can be... fun
Dec 11 00:16:13 <fxspec06> kinda wanna start digging into dark alleys of c++ now, beginning to become familiar. maybe port wild'n video poker to c++
Dec 11 00:16:28 <fxspec06> from basic to javascript to binary
Dec 11 00:16:36 <fxspec06> and slap a fat #2 on it
Dec 11 00:16:47 <phil_bw> well the app I have written is a very very basic yahtzee game
Dec 11 00:16:54 <phil_bw> I got to where you could roll the dice and select them
Dec 11 00:17:00 <phil_bw> all in native c++ and opengl
Dec 11 00:17:09 <fxspec06> i just wanna know how to control stuff, instead of just having a command line
Dec 11 00:17:09 <phil_bw> but never got around to writing any logic to make a real game
Dec 11 00:17:25 <fxspec06> i want to do char graphics, then pixel gfx. so your code will be invaluable
Dec 11 00:17:35 <phil_bw> bloody hell this old hard drive is a wasteland
Dec 11 00:17:36 <fxspec06> er, wrong word i think. i can't think of the right word
Dec 11 00:17:47 <fxspec06> but yeah
Dec 11 00:18:06 <phil_bw> this is straight up mapping pngs to opengl rectangles
Dec 11 00:18:14 <fxspec06> LOL OMG,
Dec 11 00:18:17 <fxspec06> that's great!
Dec 11 00:19:00 <phil_bw> time to run a search, it's lost on there somewhere
Dec 11 00:19:14 <phil_bw> there it is]
Dec 11 00:19:42 <phil_bw> I'm just going to zip up my whole "Games" folder
Dec 11 00:19:45 <phil_bw> and send it to ya
Dec 11 00:19:54 <phil_bw> there are various iterations of code
Dec 11 00:20:04 <phil_bw> one of them will open in visual studio and compile and run right in windows
Dec 11 00:20:49 <fxspec06> hmm
Dec 11 00:21:02 <fxspec06> i'll have to look at it over break.
Dec 11 00:21:10 <phil_bw> yeah you're a busy dude
Dec 11 00:21:56 <fxspec06> that's what everyone says lol
Dec 11 00:22:02 <phil_bw> OpenGL is very painful at first, in realm of stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork and rubbing pepper flakes in it
Dec 11 00:22:08 <phil_bw> but once you get it down, it's really quite fun
Dec 11 00:22:15 <fxspec06> i've read some webgl stuff, i imagine it's just as painful
Dec 11 00:22:22 <fxspec06> i'm a very abstract thinker tho
Dec 11 00:22:31 <phil_bw> and I was using OpenGL ES for mobile so it adds a level of difficulty
Dec 11 00:22:48 <phil_bw> but it *should* be relatively easy to compile for Palm, Android, and iOS
Dec 11 00:23:07 <phil_bw> damn, this zipped folder is 142mb. Let me upload it...
Dec 11 00:23:14 <fxspec06> lol ty
Dec 11 00:26:14 <phil_bw> it'll be a bit
Dec 11 00:30:58 <fxspec06> i'll be here for a while
Dec 11 00:31:09 <phil_bw> 60% done
Dec 11 00:34:29 <fxspec06> this is where halfhalo would be all, "what are you uploading on a stone tablet"
Dec 11 00:36:41 <phil_bw2> oops...
Dec 11 00:37:22 <phil_bw2> copied a file from one drive to another but accidently picked move, so I quickly copied it back, froze the whole system up
Dec 11 00:39:02 <fxspec06> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYBWNTzsyIo&feature=youtu.be
Dec 11 00:40:35 <phil_bw2> nice
Dec 11 00:42:01 <phil_bw2> this system has very little in the way of graphics capabilities...
Dec 11 00:43:40 <summatusmentis> anyone doing any platfomr specific look'n feel?
Dec 11 00:43:42 <phil_bw2> oh nice, I can resume with sftp to my server, that'll save some time
Dec 11 00:44:57 <phil_bw2> summatusmentis, not I. My enyo app is for internal company use and my boss doesn't really care if it matches any UI as long as it's flashy
Dec 11 00:46:48 <summatusmentis> my advisor want's the opposite
Dec 11 00:47:19 <summatusmentis> he's kinda focused on UI paradigms for multiple platforms
Dec 11 00:47:23 <summatusmentis> and wants "native"
Dec 11 00:47:34 <phil_bw2> well we only use android and currently only run directly from a browser
Dec 11 00:47:38 <phil_bw2> so it makes my life easy
Dec 11 00:48:08 <summatusmentis> ah, yeah, we'll be packaging
Dec 11 00:48:30 <phil_bw2> we're going to go native eventually
Dec 11 00:50:18 <phil_bw2> well native in the sense of a packaged enyo app
Dec 11 00:50:24 <phil_bw2> vs a browser based enyo app
Dec 11 00:50:26 <summatusmentis> right
Dec 11 00:50:59 <phil_bw2> have you looked at mosync at all and their native ui elements?
Dec 11 00:51:06 <summatusmentis> no
Dec 11 00:51:13 <summatusmentis> I hadn't heard of that
Dec 11 00:51:26 <phil_bw2> I haven't actually played with them but they look... interesting? for lack of better words
Dec 11 00:51:32 <phil_bw2> mosync is an alternative to phonegap
Dec 11 00:51:50 <phil_bw2> and one of their things is native ui elements via javascript
Dec 11 00:53:46 <summatusmentis> yeah, it looks like there's a whole SDK
Dec 11 00:53:50 <phil_bw2> http://www.mosync.com/content/native-ui-using-javascripthtml5-how-possible
Dec 11 00:54:17 <phil_bw2> I have no idea if/how it would interact with an enyo app
Dec 11 00:55:32 <summatusmentis> indeed
Dec 11 00:55:56 <summatusmentis> I've got a mostly functional enyo app, so I'd like to not change it too much
Dec 11 00:56:06 <phil_bw2> don't blame ya
Dec 11 00:57:24 <summatusmentis> but my advisor does want native tab-bars and things
Dec 11 01:02:33 <fxspec06> framerate drops on 3 mon
Dec 11 01:02:57 <fxspec06> it's not great for it. it's about entry level trimon IMO. runs fairly nice
Dec 11 01:03:53 <summatusmentis> what/
Dec 11 01:03:56 <phil_bw2> fxspec06, that file is uploaded, just trying to find a public place to stick it
Dec 11 01:03:59 <fxspec06> eyefinity
Dec 11 01:04:00 <fxspec06> k
Dec 11 01:04:21 <fxspec06> i gotta go school tomorrow, damnit, three days of this crap left!
Dec 11 01:04:57 <phil_bw2> http://96.44.140.220/phil/philbw_dicegl.zip
Dec 11 01:05:28 <phil_bw2> couldn't get a certain sub domain to work so I'll just go with the direct ip I guess :)
Dec 11 01:05:41 <fxspec06> argh that video does not do the song justice.
Dec 11 01:06:11 <fxspec06> i couldn't set the pre3 up far back enough to get a good shot at all 3
Dec 11 01:06:16 <fxspec06> and play at the same time lol
Dec 11 01:13:47 <fxspec06> oh no. visual studio trial is over
Dec 11 01:13:54 <phil_bw2> trial...?
Dec 11 01:13:57 <fxspec06> phil_bw2 downloading
Dec 11 01:14:03 <fxspec06> ya, they have trial when you first install
Dec 11 01:14:05 <phil_bw2> use the express version
Dec 11 01:14:08 <fxspec06> it lasts for like 90 days..
Dec 11 01:14:19 <fxspec06> but like, i have an ISO w/ a free version from dreamspark
Dec 11 01:14:24 <fxspec06> it won't install over for 1.
Dec 11 01:14:32 <phil_bw2> interesting
Dec 11 01:14:38 <fxspec06> it does but it doesn't stick. the ultimate > pro sticks
Dec 11 01:14:41 <phil_bw2> I've only used the free express version and it's worked just fine
Dec 11 01:14:50 <fxspec06> 2. i don't wanna uninstall because i'm afraid of losing everything.
Dec 11 01:15:52 <fxspec06> actually my PC says both are installed at 6GB each. woah
Dec 11 01:19:21 <fxspec06> summatusmentis: fake native is bad.
Dec 11 01:19:49 <fxspec06> you can't fake a native interface, it's been tried and probably failed almost every time. there's no point unless it is anyways, esp w/ enyo
Dec 11 01:20:01 <phil_bw> fxspec06, that code will probably take a little configuring to make it do anything. you have to include both the opengl es headers and the webos headers
Dec 11 01:20:02 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: I know, I'm worried we're gonna have to go hybrid
Dec 11 01:20:07 <fxspec06> unless, of course, it's your job and the guy is your boss
Dec 11 01:21:39 <fxspec06> done dling
Dec 11 01:21:44 <fxspec06> k thx for info
Dec 11 01:22:01 <phil_bw> also I believe "DiceGL" is the working one
Dec 11 01:22:17 <phil_bw> probably a good idea to look at folder modification dates
Dec 11 01:22:28 <fxspec06> k i'll remembr that
Dec 11 01:22:41 <fxspec06> too*. won't look tonight but i'll let you know when i do
Dec 11 01:22:54 <phil_bw> good idea
Dec 11 01:23:08 <phil_bw> if you're anything like me you'll just "look" and that'll turn into an 8 hour project
Dec 11 01:24:10 <fxspec06> lmao
Dec 11 01:24:21 <fxspec06> 8 week*
Dec 11 01:24:36 <fxspec06> that ends with a broken great idea
Dec 11 01:27:02 <phil_bw> heh
Dec 11 01:27:07 <phil_bw> should have seen my irc client
Dec 11 01:27:08 <phil_bw> ptpChat
Dec 11 01:27:14 <phil_bw> 3 or 4 years in development
Dec 11 01:27:25 <phil_bw> then PalmOS went the way of the Dodo and I lost all my customers
Dec 11 01:27:48 <fxspec06> omg lol
Dec 11 01:27:54 <fxspec06> did you learn a lesson phil..
Dec 11 01:28:04 <phil_bw> so I developed for webOS... carefully?
Dec 11 01:28:11 <fxspec06> lol
Dec 11 01:28:26 <fxspec06> i got a laugh out of that.
Dec 11 01:28:34 <phil_bw> when I did the c++ / opengl stuff it was so if webos died I could easily port to android and ios
Dec 11 01:38:28 <fxspec06> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/40574271/dothisinfivedaysandseehowyoufeelafterwards.txt
Dec 11 01:39:44 <phil_bw> glad its not me :P
Dec 11 01:40:05 <fxspec06> probably the 2nd most productive weekend of my entire life
Dec 11 01:40:18 <fxspec06> the 1st being the weekend i put themes in neo
Dec 11 01:43:26 <fxspec06> good idea to c++
Dec 11 01:43:41 <fxspec06> looking super forward to making incredible things w/ it
Dec 11 01:43:45 <phil_bw> c++ scared the hell out of me for years
Dec 11 01:43:48 <fxspec06> i could be the next minecraft guy
Dec 11 01:43:52 <fxspec06> LOL me too
Dec 11 01:44:03 <phil_bw> I wrote an entire irc client in HB++ which is basically VB6 for PalmOS
Dec 11 01:44:11 <phil_bw> probably could have been much more efficient in C
Dec 11 01:44:24 <fxspec06> now i've reached a point where, i'm actually learning the things i should be learning, and honing actual programming skills
Dec 11 01:44:40 <fxspec06> aka finding ways to do three things in one line
Dec 11 01:45:15 <phil_bw> yep
Dec 11 01:52:37 <fxspec06> brb
Dec 11 01:56:44 <phil_bw> welcome back
Dec 11 01:57:33 <phil_bw> wherever I may roam is playing on my slacker radio, it's like I just heard this or something a bit ago :P
Dec 11 01:58:14 <fxspec06> phew, VS kept settings it seems..
Dec 11 01:58:32 <fxspec06> well it IS a fantastic song.
Dec 11 01:58:32 <phil_bw> good
Dec 11 01:58:42 <phil_bw> yes indeed
Dec 11 01:58:53 <fxspec06> hmm, do i want to download and insall product documentation...
Dec 11 01:58:58 <phil_bw> may just have to go play my drums when I'm done here
Dec 11 01:59:17 <phil_bw> does installing the product documentation put a link to google?
Dec 11 01:59:41 <fxspec06> NO
Dec 11 01:59:52 <phil_bw> because that's about all I really find I need for documentation
Dec 11 01:59:57 <phil_bw> half the time it links to MSDN anyway
Dec 11 02:17:23 <phil_bw> well time to pass the computer over to the wife so I'll talk to ya later
Dec 11 02:17:28 * phil_bw wanders off
Dec 11 02:17:36 <fxspec06> k, c ya
Dec 11 02:17:38 <fxspec06> thx
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