**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 22 02:59:58 2013 Jan 22 16:36:48 http://www.geeksphone.com/ Jan 22 16:45:36 yeah. color me unimpressed. Jan 22 17:08:02 care to say why, HaDAk? Jan 22 17:08:23 the UI is fairly cluttered. Jan 22 17:08:28 the hardware is subpar Jan 22 17:08:38 i DO like the orange, however. Jan 22 17:09:04 it's trying to be iOS and Android too hard Jan 22 17:09:15 i'll wait until I try it, but at this point, i'm not terribly excited about it Jan 22 17:10:09 <_minego> I am not impressed by this hardware, but this is not expected to be the consumer level hardware, so it isn't entirely fair to judge based on this. Jan 22 17:10:30 how about the direction of the os? Jan 22 17:10:31 <_minego> I have seen firefox OS on an actual device, and I was much more impressed by that then I was by seeing videos and trying the simulator. Jan 22 17:10:57 i dont' have any hands on. my judgement calls are based off of screenshots and reading articles on it. Jan 22 17:11:06 so, i will reserve full judgement until i actually use a device Jan 22 17:11:09 <_minego> I like the direction the OS is going, and it has a nice feel on real hardware. Jan 22 17:13:16 direction meaning web app vs C/JAVA type apps Jan 22 17:13:41 <_minego> Yes Jan 22 17:14:56 well, we all like webapps ;) Jan 22 17:16:15 <_minego> FF's goal appears to be having a standard for webapps, not just their own ecosystem. I like that appraoch. Jan 22 17:16:48 we just gotta get em to use enyo. Jan 22 17:21:37 <_minego> Their approach is to support anything (and I feel that is the right approach). Jan 22 17:21:45 <_minego> That means I can use enyo, but enyo is not required Jan 22 17:27:53 those phones don't even have that good of specs Jan 22 18:41:39 * phil_bw wanders by Jan 22 18:42:08 hey phil_bw Jan 22 18:42:11 hey Jan 22 18:42:33 another intrepid MVC explorer Jan 22 18:42:36 <_minego> They aren't supposed to. They are development devices. They are supposed to be the lowest common denominator. FFOS is targeting a number of markets where a high end device is not likely to do well. Jan 22 18:42:39 oh yes Jan 22 18:42:53 It's a love-hate relationship Jan 22 18:43:01 I know what you mean Jan 22 18:43:08 When I started with it there was such little to go on that I really found myself frustrated Jan 22 18:43:15 leaning more towards love now that I sort of know what I'm doing Jan 22 18:43:33 Then after much googling and finding snippets here and there I was able to strip the bootplate app down to nothing and build it back up Jan 22 18:44:00 Then I spent half of yesterday tearing my hair out because of an error it was having only to find out that although I thought I had the latest version from git hub, I actually did not Jan 22 18:44:06 updated that and the error went away Jan 22 18:45:09 WOO! Jan 22 18:45:29 phil_bw: btw, I made this for myself (just un-privated it): https://bitbucket.org/sugardave/empty-bootplate-mvc Jan 22 18:45:38 one problem I have noticed though is that for some reason my test app doesn't work in the Android browser on my Galaxy Note 2 (it works fine in mobile Chrome though) Jan 22 18:46:20 sugardave, that's helpful Jan 22 18:46:25 (mine probably needs to update to new mvc as well) Jan 22 18:46:41 though I went beyond that and consolidated everything to one file to easier understand it Jan 22 18:47:23 I struggle with having 50 files with a handful of lines in each, so I use usually one or two giant files and put vim folds in each section and sub folds under those Jan 22 18:47:59 yeah, it can get confusing, especially at firts Jan 22 18:48:07 s/firts/first/ Jan 22 18:48:24 with MVC there are so many pieces cross communicating with each other I found myself on a file scavenger hunt Jan 22 18:51:59 it is definitely a departure from how I was used to writing Enyo apps. I think it will now become an up-front design decision for new apps going forward. Do you really NEED MVC for a project, etc. Jan 22 18:57:58 hey I'll be back in one sec, need to melt some ice... Jan 22 19:04:00 back Jan 22 19:04:31 Well the project I have been working on basically had home grown MVC in it Jan 22 19:04:50 I was trying to find a good way to link data between multiple widgets from multiple data sources Jan 22 19:05:00 then I read about MVC and it solved all my problems Jan 22 19:38:50 I will be back, I think Jan 22 19:38:53 * phil_bw wanders off Jan 22 20:51:10 * phil_bw wanders by again **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 23 02:59:59 2013