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Feb 05 08:19:29 <pulsation> hello :)
Feb 05 08:30:48 <pulsation> We've been using enyo at my company now for a few months, as I could have enough weight at last to promote it for some project. And I'm about to submit a talk about it at the web-5 conference in France. Would there be any concerns about this kind of action?
Feb 05 08:33:03 <pulsation> I think it would be better to review some elements of the talk with any expert of yours, if it's accepted and when it's ready, to avoid telling inaccurate things.
Feb 05 09:29:00 <domidumont> pulsation: hello. When is your conference ? (and where ?)
Feb 05 09:31:32 <domidumont> ok found it. Béziers
Feb 05 09:32:42 <domidumont> oops, no. that was last year...
Feb 05 09:36:25 <domidumont> ok found it: http://conf2013.web-5.org/en/
Feb 05 09:40:47 <domidumont> pulsation: anyway, I'll get back to you about your questions
Feb 05 09:55:42 <pulsation> domidumont: ok, thanks :) it's only a submission for now, and has to be validated.
Feb 05 09:57:35 <pulsation> indeed, enyo is not widely known as a "keyword" by non-it people, so it's not always easy to promote it. my collegue and i concluded spreading the word would be part of a solution to that problem.
Feb 05 10:11:44 <domidumont> pulsation: no problem. We're grateful for your proposal :-)
Feb 05 10:14:17 <domidumont> we can review your presentation.
Feb 05 10:14:51 <pulsation> great
Feb 05 10:14:56 <domidumont> pulsation: can I ask what company you are working for ?
Feb 05 10:14:59 <pulsation> sure
Feb 05 10:15:04 <pulsation> I'm working for Hinnoya
Feb 05 10:15:22 <pulsation> http://www.hinnoya.fr/
Feb 05 10:17:16 <pulsation> so the main points of the talk would be the following ones:
Feb 05 10:17:22 <pulsation> * Introduction : How enyo 2 emerged as a sequel of WebOS, the first production-ready javascript OS.
Feb 05 10:17:27 <pulsation> * Design overview : patterns and common sense from a real experience with mobile devices:
Feb 05 10:17:32 <pulsation> - Kinds (object inheritance), published properties, MVVM, general project organization.
Feb 05 10:17:36 <pulsation> * Essential components overview:
Feb 05 10:17:41 <pulsation> - Enyo (layout), Onyx (widgets), g11n (localization), less (themes).
Feb 05 10:17:44 <pulsation> * Diving into the bootplate.
Feb 05 10:17:48 <pulsation> * Manipulating data.
Feb 05 10:17:52 <pulsation> * Deploying to multiple devices using Apache Cordova.
Feb 05 10:20:16 <domidumont> Are the slides ready, or are you just at proposal stage ?
Feb 05 10:20:26 <pulsation> just the proposal stage for now
Feb 05 10:20:48 <domidumont> ok. is there an english version of hinnoya web site ?
Feb 05 10:22:14 <pulsation> sorry, not yet :(-
Feb 05 10:22:27 <domidumont> okay, no worry.
Feb 05 10:23:13 <domidumont> if you have time you can also mention are IDE, Ares is still in development. https://github.com/enyojs/ares-project
Feb 05 10:23:46 <domidumont> but it provides a designer to creat Enyo UIs and direct connection to phonegap to create applications
Feb 05 10:24:26 <pulsation> right, I tried it again yesterday to see if we include it for a presentation for a customer, anyway there was a problem with the file manager not displaying a folder content
Feb 05 10:25:14 <pulsation> but a live demo of it would be great for sure
Feb 05 10:25:32 <domidumont> here's an example of a demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkzUDtiC-I
Feb 05 10:25:41 <pulsation> ok
Feb 05 10:26:22 <domidumont> hmm, your folder content pb does not ring a bell.
Feb 05 10:26:56 <pulsation> didn't have time to investigate too much indeed, will look at it later
Feb 05 10:29:06 <domidumont> If needed you can log a bug there: https://enyojs.atlassian.net/secure/MyJiraHome.jspa (using ares in the Component field)
Feb 05 10:29:14 <pulsation> do you think it's mature enough now for production use?
Feb 05 10:29:23 <pulsation> ok, I'll try to reproduce it
Feb 05 10:31:04 <domidumont> Well, it's still in development. It's okay for beta testers.
Feb 05 10:31:20 <domidumont> In what os/browser did you try it ?
Feb 05 10:31:31 <pulsation> firefox
Feb 05 10:31:37 <pulsation> fedora linux
Feb 05 10:33:25 <domidumont> okay. hmm, there's an issue is a folder name contains a space.
Feb 05 10:34:18 <domidumont> https://enyojs.atlassian.net/browse/ENYO-1894
Feb 05 10:34:59 <domidumont> oh, no sorry, it's only for project preview
Feb 05 10:41:38 <pulsation> in fact, we didn't use ares for our projects, as the main business layers are in java so eclipse is quite mandatory
Feb 05 10:41:58 <pulsation> officially at least
Feb 05 10:42:04 <domidumont> ;-)
Feb 05 10:42:08 <pulsation> :)
Feb 05 10:43:36 <pulsation> anyway, the sight of vim windows tend to frighten people quite a bit, so ares could be a heart warming factor ;-)
Feb 05 10:44:01 <domidumont> indeed, it could help ;-)
Feb 05 11:25:41 <pulsation> do you think about other tools like ares that would complete the enyo ecosystem?
Feb 05 11:35:30 <domidumont> it may be a matter of taste, but I do like chrome to debug enyo application.
Feb 05 12:19:46 <pulsation> ok :) the ares demo video is impressive indeed.
Feb 05 12:28:30 <pulsation> looks like https://npmjs.org/package/enyo is also mentioned in the video comments.
Feb 05 13:15:35 <domidumont> I have not tried this module. I can't say I'm a big fan of using server side package management (npm) to download client side code...
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