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Mar 20 13:48:43 <madnificent> enyojs is back up \o/
Mar 20 18:33:08 <csc`> is there a list of unsupported features for Enyo on WebOS 1.4.5?
Mar 20 18:36:11 <madnificent> csc`: i think it should "just work" if you bundle enyo
Mar 20 18:36:54 <ka6sox-farfarawa> csc`, which enyo?
Mar 20 18:36:55 <madnificent> if you're askind about Enyo1 on webos 1.4.5, i think it got bundled when the new maps app arrived.
Mar 20 18:37:17 <ka6sox-farfarawa> its a preware installation away
Mar 20 18:38:06 <csc`> ka6sox-farfarawa, whichever is preferred to use for someone who's taking a self-taught crash course for webos application development
Mar 20 18:38:27 <ka6sox-farfarawa> since enyo1 is no longer supported I'd not use that
Mar 20 18:38:51 <csc`> If i hit a roadblock in any language, i tend to work on the issue for awhile and quit the project altogether, so id like to stick with this one :P
Mar 20 18:39:10 <csc`> just want a heads up of what doesn't work in legacy webos versions
Mar 20 18:39:13 <csc`> ive read for one that the filestore function doesn't
Mar 20 18:39:35 <ka6sox-farfarawa> then do enyo2
Mar 20 18:39:45 <ka6sox-farfarawa> and use cordova + weboslib
Mar 20 18:41:59 <csc`> ka6sox-farfarawa, mind explaining those two things in a nutshell?
Mar 20 18:46:08 <csc`> I also find that using an IDE for 'complex' applications such as this, is easier than doing it with nano. Are there any IDE's with Enyo(2) support? Eclipse maybe?
Mar 20 18:48:23 <ka6sox-farfarawa> csc`, that I do not know...there *used* to be one but I don't know if its supported anymore
Mar 20 18:52:08 <domidumont> csc`: we're working on providing an IDE for Enyo. See ares-project on github.
Mar 20 18:52:20 <domidumont> Note that this project is still at alpha stage
Mar 20 18:53:39 <csc`> only ares 2 is available?
Mar 20 18:53:55 <csc`> i dont need GUI development features, i remember that being something Ares did
Mar 20 18:54:06 <csc`> i just want code organization and plugins to build packages
Mar 20 18:54:10 <csc`> and some syntax stuff
Mar 20 18:55:50 <domidumont> yes only ares 2 is available
Mar 20 18:58:21 <domidumont> ares provides a connector to build your app through phonegap
Mar 20 18:59:07 <csc`> Ares 1 right, not Ares 2
Mar 20 19:00:12 <domidumont> on ares2: https://github.com/enyojs/ares-project/tree/master/services/source/phonegap
Mar 20 19:00:31 <ka6sox-farfarawa> thats the cordova lib right?
Mar 20 19:00:40 <ka6sox-farfarawa> or something different.
Mar 20 19:02:16 <csc`> im probably going to write my own backended server for my applications to communicate crossplatform, and just write pure web code
Mar 20 19:02:32 <csc`> im too dumb to learn C++/C. I've tried. Can't wrap my head around it
Mar 20 19:02:53 <csc`> does webos support WebGL, anyone know?
Mar 20 19:04:19 <domidumont> ka6sox-farfarawa: it's a connector. You provide your phonegap account to ares, and it will upload your app to phonegap so you can get a built package. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkzUDtiC-I
Mar 20 19:04:59 <ka6sox-farfarawa> since we are writing on device apps instead of cross platform ones we do it a bit differently
Mar 20 19:05:12 <domidumont> ok
Mar 20 19:08:47 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Preware isn't designed to be "cross platform"
Mar 20 19:12:13 <csc`> hmm
Mar 20 19:12:23 <csc`> javascript seems alot similar to php in some ways
Mar 20 19:12:34 <csc`> but similar in syntax closer to python
Mar 20 19:29:00 <csc`> anyone in here on the preware 2 team?
Mar 20 19:33:30 <scoutcamper> i wrote the packaging it but shiftyaxel(in #webos-ports channel) wrote the actual app
Mar 20 19:36:53 <csc`> neat. Was just curious how development was going. Also, id assume that if you wrote a native application with the sdk, you'd have to interface it with Enyo using JSON as an IPC protocol?
Mar 20 19:48:55 <scoutcamper> enyo2+cordova.js+ipkgservice
Mar 20 21:21:43 <bhuey> folks
Mar 20 22:25:27 <fxspec06> i can't see this somewhere and not repost it: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
Mar 20 22:27:11 <fxspec06> only, a lot of the 'fixes' aren't exactly or weren't exactly feasible for Palm.. whether or not they were necessary for success does not equate necessarily to feasible. i think, possibly, they were too ambitious and too unfortunate.
Mar 20 22:27:43 <fxspec06> blah. again with this, i really don't want to .. i am happy today anyways. =]
Mar 20 22:48:03 <madnificent> hey fxspec06!
Mar 20 22:48:14 <madnificent> (yes, that was all i had to say)
Mar 20 22:48:16 <fxspec06> yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo madnificent how goes there?
Mar 20 22:54:43 <madnificent> could be better, could be worse, i guess :)
Mar 20 22:54:52 <madnificent> what's happening over there?
Mar 20 22:55:05 <fxspec06> just got a scholarship for kicking ass at school.
Mar 20 22:55:19 <fxspec06> about to give a tech presentation tomorrow morning to ~100 kids + faculty
Mar 20 22:55:37 <madnificent> doctorate?
Mar 20 22:55:53 <fxspec06> nah, just a 2K high demand scholarship
Mar 20 22:55:58 <fxspec06> after may, i'll be 3 credits away from CIS AS degree
Mar 20 22:56:24 <fxspec06> then i'm going to take scholarship $$$$$ and get a BS in CIS  or CS
Mar 20 22:56:43 <fxspec06> which was my plan from the beginning, i'm just actually somewhat surprised it's working out
Mar 20 22:58:35 <madnificent> hehe, that's the most fun!  when it astonishes you that you've made it
Mar 20 22:58:57 <fxspec06> yeah, another year or so
Mar 20 22:59:00 <fxspec06> in the process of
Mar 20 22:59:01 <madnificent> it's still somewhat the feeling i have with my 'stolen' engineering title :)  still surprised it's there
Mar 20 22:59:52 <fxspec06> lol like, i don't own CIS. having the degree doesn't mean that i am now the definitive ultimate source of information
Mar 20 23:00:00 <fxspec06> although... o.O
Mar 20 23:00:30 <madnificent> LoL
Mar 20 23:01:15 <fxspec06> you got a BS in engineering madnificent ?
Mar 20 23:02:25 <madnificent> i have a master in enigneering and computer sciences (which can be one thing here in Belgium)
Mar 20 23:02:38 <fxspec06> Hmmmmmm.........
Mar 20 23:03:30 <madnificent> so theoretically they want me to be able to build a bridge which is secretly a beowulf cluster
Mar 20 23:05:43 <fxspec06> so, a master. is that mean the same there as it does here too?
Mar 20 23:05:53 <fxspec06> 6yrsish of school??
Mar 20 23:06:50 <madnificent> 5 years
Mar 20 23:07:13 <madnificent> though i hopped around quite a bit before settling on a degree.  the level of education is fairly high though.
Mar 20 23:07:22 <madnificent> the Ir. title is internationally valid
Mar 20 23:07:35 <fxspec06> incredible!
Mar 20 23:07:43 <fxspec06> i never knew
Mar 20 23:07:48 <madnificent> iz cool eh
Mar 20 23:08:30 <madnificent> now, that doesn't mean that you get payed a shitload of cash when you start to do work.  it just means that you did a shitload of work to get started working
Mar 20 23:08:47 <fxspec06> LOL.
Mar 20 23:09:05 <fxspec06> hoping that one day... you'd make enough money to call it a shitload?
Mar 20 23:09:17 <madnificent> but the lesson is: when you succeed, the feeling doesn't necessarily go a away.  so when you make it, there'll be more of those "really, is that what i did?" moments in life :)
Mar 20 23:09:32 <madnificent> fxspec06: i can shit a whole lot! ^_^
Mar 20 23:09:32 <fxspec06> AWESOME.!!!!
Mar 20 23:09:50 <madnificent> anyways, have you done more enyo development lately?
Mar 20 23:09:52 <fxspec06> i love those! today in the mail, that scholarship letter ... best money i ever worked for in my life!
Mar 20 23:10:01 <madnificent> :D:D:D
Mar 20 23:10:09 <fxspec06> nope, sadly it's been all school
Mar 20 23:10:24 <fxspec06> none since break started, like jan 20th ish
Mar 20 23:10:30 <fxspec06> s/break/school/
Mar 20 23:10:30 <synergybot> fxspec06 meant: none since school started, like jan 20th ish
Mar 20 23:22:54 <madnificent> i've been devving at a too slow pace.  and i'm a tad frustrated by how jucky javascript can be with ]]});},[]} stuff, instead of the "i can't make errors" ))))))
Mar 21 00:01:34 <madnificent> am i the only one to often place a ); in javascript where it doesn't belong by accident (eg: when placing a call inside an object specified as { foo: "bar", baz: getBang(); }.  am i the only one to forget to place a , at the end of a line when enumerating stuff.  am i the only one that sometimes forgets to close his functions.  is this just noobness of me, or will it basically stay?  i know how to write it, it's quickly fi
Mar 21 00:01:34 <madnificent> feel a tad inefficient this way.
Mar 21 00:03:18 <madnificent> (and i wonder if i'm the lone dev that does this)
Mar 21 00:03:52 <fxspec06> i have never done this
Mar 21 00:04:03 <fxspec06> that's one thing i am good at is polarity
Mar 21 00:04:20 <fxspec06> i don't think i ever had a problem with that
Mar 21 00:05:39 <madnificent> i haven't had to think about this clumsy syntax in the past few years, now it surprises me that i make errors writing it.
Mar 21 00:05:52 <madnificent> it seems to serve no purpose anymore :/
Mar 21 00:12:23 <madnificent> aside from it not being automatic anymore on the short run, it's rather cool to realize the disconnection of the code and the syntax in such a clear way.  it's as if my brain has completely separated the two concepts...
Mar 21 00:15:26 <fxspec06> nah, syntax fades with time, but comes back faster on repeat occasions
Mar 21 00:16:11 <fxspec06> code != syntax, yes there is a disconnection
Mar 21 00:16:51 <madnificent> the syntax of algol-like languages is utter clutter and it serves absolutely no purpose.  it only limits you in the ways you can express yourself.
Mar 21 00:17:20 <madnificent> it is the devil inside of a world that could be godly.
Mar 21 00:18:55 <fxspec06> madnificent, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KUa1R6U2wA&feature=youtu.be Neo BBPB walkthrough
Mar 21 00:27:13 <madnificent> fxspec06: looked good.  the talk will be a huge part of it, obviously.  if possible, perhaps a higher resolution could be a smart thing.  then again, google may still be transcoding it all.
Mar 21 00:34:16 <fxspec06> well the majority is HS students, and it's on a projector so higher res is probably not super beneficial
Mar 21 00:34:35 <fxspec06> the PPT has the 260MB file there so i think it's as good as it gets
Mar 21 00:34:38 <fxspec06> on my end
Mar 21 00:34:56 <madnificent> awesome
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