**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 21 02:59:58 2013
Jul 21 03:59:18 <baboo> back
Jul 21 05:31:17 <baboo> goodnight
Jul 21 14:37:52 <SimpsonTP> hi, anyone aware of a statusbar kind ? toolbar is just to high
Jul 21 16:06:22 <Roy__> SimpsonTP: Why not just restyle the toolbar?
Jul 21 18:29:36 <SimpsonTP> Roy__, yeah, did that now :)
Jul 21 19:54:47 <DimitrK> hello!
Jul 21 20:25:08 <fx1> good morning
Jul 21 20:25:35 <DimitrK> morning fx1
Jul 21 20:26:06 <fx1> just woke up, it's 4pm here
Jul 21 20:26:32 <fx1> i went to bed whenever my last tweet was
Jul 21 20:26:37 <DimitrK> uhmm here is 22:30
Jul 21 20:26:44 <DimitrK> lol !
Jul 21 20:26:51 <DimitrK> your sleep time is not the optimal one
Jul 21 20:26:53 <DimitrK> ;d
Jul 21 20:27:11 <DimitrK> where are you from ?
Jul 21 20:27:17 <fx1> well, i hadn't slept the night before
Jul 21 20:27:27 <fx1> 14hrs, wow
Jul 21 20:27:35 <DimitrK> !!
Jul 21 20:30:13 <fx1> i normally don't sleep 14hrs. i can't remember the last time i legit slept that long
Jul 21 20:31:05 <DimitrK> I am jealous of you right now. I am with 6hrs sleep daily and work on weekend because of a 0day
Jul 21 20:31:52 <fx1> i woke up and looked at my pre3, saw 4pm and was like "no way. that's wrong." then my computer, O.O
Jul 21 20:32:20 <DimitrK> hahahaha blacked out uh?
Jul 21 20:32:29 <fx1> pretty muc
Jul 21 20:33:55 <DimitrK> :)
Jul 21 20:36:35 <fx1> i lost my ubuntu VM when i lost my laptop; just made a new one yesterday
Jul 21 20:40:28 <DimitrK> what are you using it for ?
Jul 21 20:40:57 <fx1> i was using it to get open webos running, just to mess around
Jul 21 20:43:51 <DimitrK> aaaah I see !  What is your opinion about open WebOS ? Is it fully functional?
Jul 21 20:44:10 <DimitrK> I think it was missing some graphic accelerator or something last time I checked
Jul 21 20:45:35 <fx1> well, on my laptop i could only get it running in the sense that i saw the desktop; it didn't work very well though and it crashed constantly. that was 7 months ago though
Jul 21 20:45:43 <fx1> it's very hackish ATM
Jul 21 20:59:04 <DimitrK> hmmm so is not ready for installation to a normal devide
Jul 21 20:59:08 <DimitrK> device *
Jul 21 21:02:37 <fx1> depends on what you want whatever device you put it on to do
Jul 21 21:02:45 <fx1> synergy is missing...
Jul 21 21:11:07 <DimitrK> that was a big plus. I am still using it for my calendar even if on facebook events is a day off
Jul 21 21:21:04 <fx1> k, installing all these packages
Jul 21 21:21:17 <fx1> hopefully it'll be less painjless than before since i've done it once
Jul 21 21:48:26 <fx1> building, woot
Jul 21 22:15:22 <DimitrK> good luck! :)
Jul 21 22:16:16 <fx1> failed , blah.
Jul 21 22:22:54 <DimitrK> hahha I am not that lucky after all
Jul 21 22:33:59 <newbeen> hello~
Jul 21 22:34:24 <DimitrK> hey newbeen
Jul 21 22:34:27 <DimitrK> how are you ?
Jul 21 22:36:02 <newbeen> good thank you, and you?
Jul 21 22:36:08 <newbeen> progress with enyo has been interesting :)
Jul 21 22:36:17 <DimitrK> hehehe awesome
Jul 21 22:36:46 <DimitrK> same here. Unfortunately this weekend I had not as much time as I would like to work with it though
Jul 21 22:37:31 <newbeen> on your encryption library?
Jul 21 22:39:47 <DimitrK> no on the api generator
Jul 21 22:40:15 <DimitrK> it was supposed to be my weekend project but the hours I devoted on it were too few.
Jul 21 22:40:16 <newbeen> ooh. you made the api generator for enyo?
Jul 21 22:41:58 <DimitrK> actually was there one, I completely changed the structure and I wanted to include social characteristics as posting helpfull comments under each kind, or code examples which help future programmers
Jul 21 22:42:30 <newbeen> oh, nice
Jul 21 22:43:25 <newbeen> question: is there documentation on how the height of the Onyx.Toolbar (for example) is rendered differently on different resolutions and pixel density screens?
Jul 21 22:44:07 <DimitrK>  I am not aware of such documentation
Jul 21 22:44:10 <newbeen> more specifically, i have a stack of "ul/li" items that i need to give a height too: but a px value suitable for phone looks too small on ipad
Jul 21 22:45:06 <newbeen> is there an approach to let Enyo handle the scaling for that sort of thing... ? (also font-size, perhaps?)
Jul 21 22:45:33 <newbeen> or is it down to CSS media queries and other similar workarounds...?
Jul 21 22:48:08 <DimitrK> fx1:  any ideas about newbeen  question ?
Jul 21 22:48:36 <DimitrK> I didn't go so deep yet to know how it does it. For the moment is enough that it does it for me
Jul 21 22:49:14 <newbeen> ok, thank you
Jul 21 22:49:56 <newbeen> i would have thought this would be a common requirement... perhaps not. maybe most people's apps are full screen and don't need to much scaling...
Jul 21 22:54:36 <DimitrK> that is my case too. I did only full screen
Jul 21 22:55:13 <newbeen> interesting :)
Jul 21 22:55:34 <newbeen> i guess it's crucial for more form-based-like apps, with menus and text pages
Jul 21 22:56:49 <DimitrK> aaaaa I remember I tried to do some funny staff with web app and auto adjust the menus on screen size
Jul 21 22:57:06 <DimitrK> I totally blew it, wasnt my best thing.
Jul 21 22:57:51 <DimitrK> As far as I know pjetr is using enyo for apps like this. If you ll find him online tomorrow (in 9 hours) maybe he ll be able to answer you
Jul 21 22:58:56 <newbeen> thanks, i'll look out for him
Jul 21 22:59:05 <newbeen> any of his apps publically available?
Jul 21 22:59:41 <newbeen> dim: are most enyo apps installed on cordova/phonegap?
Jul 21 23:00:22 <DimitrK> I think not already but cant be sure. His apps have specific audience targeted to schools so I am not very sure for that
Jul 21 23:00:31 <DimitrK> as far as i know yes
Jul 21 23:00:40 <newbeen> ah, thanks
Jul 21 23:00:52 <DimitrK> enyo has build in compatibiility for cordova events as well
Jul 21 23:01:02 <newbeen> do you recommend phonegap? or cordova?
Jul 21 23:01:41 <DimitrK> https://github.com/enyojs/enyo/wiki/PhoneGap-Native-Functions
Jul 21 23:01:55 <newbeen> [note in passing... this post seems to say there's a Panels.selectPanelByName(), but it's not in the documentation, and i get a method not found when testing... https://github.com/enyojs/layout/pull/4 ]
Jul 21 23:02:03 <DimitrK> anything you like. different sides of the same coin
Jul 21 23:02:22 <DimitrK> this is a pull request
Jul 21 23:02:48 <newbeen> ah. wondering if one might be "easier"/"better" in practice to develop and deploy with (cordova/phonegap)
Jul 21 23:02:57 <newbeen> dim: does that mean it's not 'live'?
Jul 21 23:03:07 <DimitrK> meaning that someone thought that it would be cool to do so he did it , but in order to get to the official release the implementation should be approved
Jul 21 23:03:19 <newbeen> i see, thanks
Jul 21 23:03:51 <DimitrK> newbeen: if you want the panel probably you dont need the name at all
Jul 21 23:04:06 <newbeen> just easier than counting the index to set, i thought
Jul 21 23:06:21 <DimitrK> actually
Jul 21 23:06:35 <DimitrK> newbeen:  I see in the api that there is a function to select by name
Jul 21 23:06:44 <DimitrK> selectPanelByName
Jul 21 23:07:15 <newbeen> in enyo.Panels?
Jul 21 23:07:20 <newbeen> http://enyojs.com/api/#enyo.Panels
Jul 21 23:09:22 <DimitrK> ok not in this one.  Sorry for some reason I was reading the documentation of 2.3 which is the next enyo version.
Jul 21 23:12:06 <newbeen> coming soon? :)
Jul 21 23:12:48 <newbeen> dim: can enyo play a local audio file? (mp3, say)
Jul 21 23:14:35 * newbeen googles things about enyo.Sound in Enyo1, but no luck in Enyo2 API docs finding it...
Jul 21 23:16:55 <Roy__> Just use browser's methods for now.
Jul 21 23:20:28 <DimitrK> once more, currently is not supported so you could use the audio/video tag of browser
Jul 21 23:21:01 <DimitrK> but is comming the enyo.Media and enyo.Audio in a future version
Jul 21 23:23:48 <DimitrK> Actually this things are already implemented but the version is not stable. If you dont mind experimenting newbeen you can use them right now
Jul 21 23:24:42 <newbeen> ah? i might have to...
Jul 21 23:24:57 <newbeen> browser tags have no dynamic control, i presume? (at least programmatic start/stop)
Jul 21 23:25:28 <newbeen> dim: do you mean it will come in 2.3, or somewhere distant?
Jul 21 23:26:13 <newbeen> dead-in-the-water with Enyo if no local mp3 playback :-(
Jul 21 23:26:29 <newbeen> pity, having tested very successfully with YouTube and SoundCloud so far...
Jul 21 23:26:32 <DimitrK> 2.3
Jul 21 23:27:35 <DimitrK> you can start using them right now if you want. https://github.com/enyojs/enyo
Jul 21 23:27:50 <DimitrK> why cant you just simple html audio element?
Jul 21 23:27:54 <DimitrK> <audio>
Jul 21 23:28:21 <newbeen> i'd like it to start at the click of a button... possible?
Jul 21 23:29:15 <newbeen> clarification: i don't want an audio player/controls on page
Jul 21 23:29:35 <newbeen> just a page with some things, and a regular button that should play an audio file
Jul 21 23:30:23 <newbeen> oh, indeed it seems it is possible in plain html5. very nice.
Jul 21 23:30:28 <newbeen> ( http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/audio )
Jul 21 23:31:18 <DimitrK> yeap.
Jul 21 23:32:42 <newbeen> ah, but not local file...
Jul 21 23:33:10 <newbeen> unless i can work out the http://localhost path within Enyo somehow?
Jul 21 23:34:47 <DimitrK> there are some solutions as far as  i can see
Jul 21 23:34:48 <DimitrK> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1612116/html5-local-storage-of-audio-element-source-is-it-possible
Jul 21 23:35:37 <newbeen> ah, i meant an mp3 bundled with the app, in the local filesystem
Jul 21 23:35:53 <newbeen> (LocalStorage content needs to be downloaded online, right?)
Jul 21 23:39:19 <DimitrK> are you going to use phonegap ?
Jul 21 23:39:26 <DimitrK> newbeen: ?
Jul 21 23:39:27 <newbeen> i think so (currently on appMobi)
Jul 21 23:39:40 <DimitrK> they have a media library, just use this instead
Jul 21 23:39:52 <DimitrK> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9201893/playing-local-audio-file-in-android-webview-app
Jul 21 23:40:32 <DimitrK> when you are doing new Audio({PATH}) what it says?
Jul 21 23:40:52 <newbeen> pardon?
Jul 21 23:41:07 <newbeen> oh, i haven't implemented it yet - looking for best way now
Jul 21 23:41:19 <newbeen> that SO post seems to be Android-specific...
Jul 21 23:41:24 <DimitrK> e.g. var myStartSound = new Audio(../assets/sounds/start.ogg)
Jul 21 23:41:34 <DimitrK> e.g. var myStartSound = new Audio("../assets/sounds/start.ogg")
Jul 21 23:42:20 <DimitrK> no , it is not Android specific, the question is Android specific, the answer is phonegap specific
Jul 21 23:43:05 <newbeen> ooh, interesting. myStartSound ===>  <audio preload="auto" src="../assets/sounds/start.ogg">
Jul 21 23:44:54 <DimitrK> ;)
Jul 21 23:45:07 <newbeen> ... then how? :)
Jul 21 23:45:22 <DimitrK> it can be. did you try it ?
Jul 21 23:45:31 <DimitrK> I know of javascrip Audio object
Jul 21 23:45:36 <newbeen> drawing a complete blank on how to put it on the page... sorry, late here
Jul 21 23:45:46 <newbeen> brain not sufficiently used to thinking in Enyo
Jul 21 23:46:30 <newbeen> do i need render(myStartAudio) somewhere?
Jul 21 23:46:48 <DimitrK> and i told you to start an instance. I am not entirely sure how but this should do: var appStartSound = new Audio("../assets/sounds/start.ogg"); appStartSound.play()
Jul 21 23:47:01 <DimitrK> can be done programmatically
Jul 21 23:48:02 <newbeen> no console errors, but play() didn't do anything
Jul 21 23:48:35 <newbeen> is it possible within Enyo to get the current "URL" ?
Jul 21 23:48:44 <newbeen> or the current webapp root path...
Jul 21 23:51:42 <DimitrK> I did it in enyo1 but I ve no idea for enyo two
Jul 21 23:51:51 <DimitrK> you can get more info for audio here
Jul 21 23:51:52 <DimitrK> http://html5doctor.com/html5-audio-the-state-of-play/
Jul 21 23:52:13 <DimitrK> and here https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Using_HTML5_audio_and_video
Jul 21 23:52:52 <newbeen> thanks much
Jul 21 23:57:06 <newbeen> it might be reliable enough for me to get window.location and hack that to find assets/
Jul 21 23:59:11 <DimitrK> when you say src =
Jul 21 23:59:28 <DimitrK> the path you put is relative to the file you run
Jul 21 23:59:40 <DimitrK> so one ../assets would suffice I believe
Jul 22 00:00:13 <newbeen> ah
Jul 22 00:00:47 <DimitrK> I managed to refactor the who api-tool finally. Now some tunings left ! https://github.com/DimitrK/api-tool-social/tree/dimk-api
Jul 22 00:01:58 <newbeen> well done
Jul 22 00:07:08 <DimitrK> I am going for sleep. In 6h I have to go to job
Jul 22 00:07:19 <DimitrK> bye bye and goodnight
Jul 22 00:08:06 <newbeen> me2. goodnight roy, all
Jul 22 00:29:11 * fx1 pokes head in
Jul 22 00:46:06 <baboo> goodnight
Jul 22 00:46:23 <baboo> oh he quit
Jul 22 00:46:30 <baboo> :p
Jul 22 00:47:12 <baboo> fx1, is there any way to put html and text into an object?
Jul 22 00:47:35 <fx1> what do you mean?
Jul 22 00:47:42 <fx1> you can assign strings to a property of an object
Jul 22 00:48:15 <baboo> can you use allowHtml: true anymore?
Jul 22 00:49:38 <baboo> or get \n to work inside a content as a newline
Jul 22 00:58:36 <fx1> allowHtml: true still works
Jul 22 00:58:56 <fx1> .setContent()
Jul 22 00:59:16 <baboo> ok
Jul 22 01:00:14 <baboo> how do you set the content of it without disabling the allowHtml: true?
Jul 22 01:02:36 <fx1> hrm? i really don't understand your question
Jul 22 01:03:22 <baboo> when you do setContent(), it doesn't interpret the html
Jul 22 01:03:31 <baboo> <br> doesn't work
Jul 22 01:03:41 <fx1> {name: "mycontrol", allowHtml: true}
Jul 22 01:04:02 <baboo> i did that
Jul 22 01:04:23 <baboo> except wit content already set
Jul 22 01:47:20 <fx1> show code?
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