**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 30 02:59:58 2013 Aug 30 10:04:27 goodmorning Aug 30 12:43:07 afternoon dimitrk Aug 30 12:43:17 and everybody else Aug 30 12:44:00 this includes but is not limited to b0bben, mephinet, fx1, … Aug 30 12:45:10 and since this is an international hoarde of developers, it might as well be good morning, good evening or good night. Aug 30 12:45:36 that'll up the size of today's log! Aug 30 13:10:47 :) Aug 30 13:11:04 is used to say goodmorning when you enter a channel, that is why i said so pjetr :) Aug 30 13:11:21 :) Aug 30 13:11:42 I just got a touchpad 4g from us and I am playing with it and my app !! It rocks...how this piece of engineer went so badly on sales?? Aug 30 13:14:08 I do believe HP marketing might have had something to do with it Aug 30 13:14:46 look at the struggle MS has to go trough to get windows mobile somewhere Aug 30 13:15:20 yeah... running WebOS doesn't help them, sales-wise Aug 30 13:15:27 indeed Aug 30 13:17:48 personally, I'm looking at upgrading from the old Nexus 7 to the new one... the specs are pretty amazing Aug 30 13:21:01 I'm at the moment trying to move away from anything google… so I'm not planning on going back to android Aug 30 13:21:41 this is a part of the why, btw: http://tacma.net/tacma.php Aug 30 13:22:47 I still use chromium (not chrome) which is the open source version of chrome and thus still runs on V8 Aug 30 13:23:18 but mostly it's about owning my own data Aug 30 13:24:30 also, this: http://aralbalkan.com/notes/schnail-mail-free-real-mail-for-life/ Aug 30 13:31:42 yeah, I agree with that for the most part... I still use Google products, but I am aware of their policies, unlike a lot of their users Aug 30 13:32:22 and owning your data is always a good thing Aug 30 13:54:37 was overexcited with the touchpad and I left the chat for a while, sorry Aug 30 13:55:02 I agree with pjetr, I dont see going side by side with google to be the best bet when it comes to privacy Aug 30 13:55:24 I am having only google mail and google analytics on some websites Aug 30 13:55:41 thats all google for me Aug 30 13:56:34 I was an android user, heavily use of gmail and where possible I connected using google Aug 30 13:56:59 I browse using google, and my GPS is google Aug 30 13:57:12 (since waze was bought by google) Aug 30 13:58:54 the good thing, as you pointed out, is that Google builds their stuff on top of open-source tech, so you can run the non-Googlefied version of many of their products Aug 30 13:59:52 only running android gives them access to any info they would get that you save from open source projects and much more though Aug 30 14:00:23 so they dont really care about their open source projects or not, is only there to keep you addicted to the same services in your phone as well Aug 30 14:02:38 well, Android is open-source as well, and you can install a custom ROM to remove any spyware you get with a standard Android distribution Aug 30 14:03:03 I think the most important part is to stay informed and make the decisions that are appropriate for you and your privacy Aug 30 14:03:19 probably you are right rschmidt Aug 30 14:04:04 I think it's a trade... Google does offer some really awesome services... and I like most of them. The most dangerous thing is to implicitly trust them. Aug 30 14:04:20 I am just a bit concernet with the personalized staff because I am making and thinking of applications that are about personalized experience and everyday i realize the power you can get out of this in terms of information Aug 30 14:05:06 concern and vigilance are good Aug 30 14:05:12 I was writing a post about this, while chatting here. Thought I'd finish it first :) Aug 30 14:05:12 http://pjetr.github.io/me/2013/08/19/owning-my-own-data.html Aug 30 14:07:10 pjetr: I ran a few servers heavily focused on privacy/anonymity a while back... good post, I think you're going in the right direction Aug 30 14:08:07 wow pjetr, great job. I mean insightful, i am going to read it all Aug 30 14:08:19 thanks Aug 30 14:08:29 I would also advise you to encrypt your VPS' data partition, if possible, to prevent unlawful search + seizure Aug 30 14:08:50 btw , duckduckgo'd seemed too long to me, I am using it also and i am often mentioning it to my friends as just ducked :P Aug 30 14:08:59 :D Aug 30 14:09:55 I think I might move my github pages to my server as well :) Aug 30 14:10:12 and work a little on it Aug 30 14:10:39 wow, keep writting about it to see how will it end up for you and any obstacles you may stumble upon in the process Aug 30 14:11:32 except of the monthly subscription didnt they asked for an one time fee? I was looking similar servers and there was a 25 Euros fee Aug 30 14:11:47 for installation etc Aug 30 14:12:32 yes, if you use monthly subscription, you have to pay a 5€ setup fee Aug 30 14:12:51 this isn't there when using any other subscription Aug 30 14:13:34 really nice ! Aug 30 14:13:35 but I preferred monthly, and the small fee didn't really urge me to take another package Aug 30 14:14:04 yes true, the fee was way to small , 20% of the offer i found before Aug 30 15:03:36 have a great weekend y'all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 31 02:59:58 2013