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Jun 13 07:00:01 <SimpsonTP> morning
Jun 13 07:03:13 <Garfonso> morning
Jun 13 07:31:36 <dimitrk_> goodmorning
Jun 13 07:34:29 <SimpsonTP> wohoo activity here :9
Jun 13 07:41:47 <dimitrk_> hehehe :D
Jun 13 07:42:07 <SimpsonTP> so what is everybody using enyo for ?
Jun 13 07:45:37 <dimitrk_> I am using it for creating my own applications on my spare time. Mobile/Tablet kind of apps. How about you ?
Jun 13 07:53:38 <SimpsonTP> using it to prototype some tablet applilcations
Jun 13 07:54:00 <dimitrk_> what are you using after the prototype phase ?
Jun 13 08:05:31 <Garfonso> open webos and some mobile UI clients for work projects.
Jun 13 08:06:32 <dimitrk_> Wow nice. Did you port open webos in a mobile device Garfonso?
Jun 13 08:09:07 <Garfonso> me personally not, I'm not very much into the hardware stuff or linux-system, but weboports.org is doing that. During the open source process webOS lost quite some system apps that we need to rebuild (calendar, contacts, phone app, ...).
Jun 13 08:09:39 <Garfonso> http://webos-ports.org/ <- that's the correct url ;)
Jun 13 08:10:39 <Garfonso> currently working on Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 (the earlier version). It's based on Cyanogenmod internally, so probably all devices with CM10 should be possible targets.
Jun 13 08:10:45 <SimpsonTP> we should be using enyo after the prototype phase as well ;)
Jun 13 08:14:22 <Garfonso> does not really make sense to switch framework after prototyping. ;)
Jun 13 08:14:36 <SimpsonTP> yup
Jun 13 09:14:48 <SimpsonTP> and we use enyo for a static frontend app
Jun 13 12:51:26 <pjetr> afternoon folks!
Jun 13 12:55:25 <pjetr> trex0051: I'm not completely certain of what you're asking
Jun 13 12:57:16 <pjetr> "Is there an instance scope variable in enyo?  I know I can use window for a global namespace, but I don't want to share it across instances, and especially across other applications"
Jun 13 12:58:20 <pjetr> not sharing across instances can be achieved by declaring them as "@protected"
Jun 13 12:58:28 <pjetr> if that's what you mean
Jun 13 13:00:15 <dmanderson> good morning
Jun 13 13:00:21 <dmanderson> or afternoon
Jun 13 13:00:23 <dmanderson> evening
Jun 13 13:00:25 <dmanderson> :)
Jun 13 13:09:50 <pjetr> afternoon it is :D
Jun 13 13:10:00 <pjetr> morning to you
Jun 13 13:10:52 <dmanderson> :)
Jun 13 13:33:10 <Garfonso> http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html  ;)
Jun 13 13:33:49 <Garfonso> especially the last sentence is important. Hehe
Jun 13 13:34:02 <dmanderson> haha Garfonso
Jun 13 13:34:03 <dmanderson> I so wish
Jun 13 13:34:04 <dmanderson> :)
Jun 13 13:44:01 <pjetr> yes, but I've been here a little while, so it's afternoon(UGT) for me :)
Jun 13 13:44:16 <pjetr> and also just afternoon
Jun 13 13:44:25 <pjetr> or doesn't that count?
Jun 13 13:45:18 <dmanderson> it counts!
Jun 13 13:45:19 <dmanderson> :)
Jun 13 13:45:20 <dmanderson> HAHAHA
Jun 13 13:45:35 <dmanderson> as long as I have some Enyo peoples to converse with in here :)
Jun 13 13:45:50 <dmanderson> Do you have Enyo meetups where you live?
Jun 13 13:45:57 <dmanderson> I've been thinking of holding a digital one
Jun 13 14:01:15 <trex0051> Hello folks, anyone active here this morning?
Jun 13 14:03:04 <trex0051> I am in my top level app.js, within a function, and I'm trying to access a control within my mainview.  I tried this.$.ControlName, but it does not seem to exist.  Is there another way to access it?
Jun 13 14:06:26 <dmanderson> hi trex0051
Jun 13 14:06:47 <dmanderson> Most of the time you do not want to access controls across components.
Jun 13 14:06:56 <dmanderson> Are you using 2.4?
Jun 13 14:07:13 <trex0051> I think it's 2.3... actually
Jun 13 14:07:17 <trex0051> hold on
Jun 13 14:07:48 <trex0051> version is not in a readme :(
Jun 13 14:08:02 <dmanderson> you can totally do it, but it would be  this.view.$.ControlName  if you are using a ViewController/Application kind
Jun 13 14:08:15 <dmanderson> generally you would want to bubble up and down to keep it disconnected
Jun 13 14:08:52 <trex0051> I think I understand what you are saying... do you have a minute for me to run my scenario by you?
Jun 13 14:08:59 <dmanderson> Totally
Jun 13 14:09:56 <trex0051> It's an application where I have a socket.io connection to the server.  I'm handling that connection in app.js.  So I'm basically doing everyting in app.js and sending out commands from there
Jun 13 14:11:04 <trex0051> since it's a game, when a certain game screen loads, I have that game screen register with app.js, and then when the commands come from the server, I have app.js call that control's functions.
Jun 13 14:11:18 <trex0051> it is kind of messy.... but I could not think of another way to do it
Jun 13 14:12:38 <trex0051> Okay... I just re-read that, and not understanding the code, it made no sense at all... :)
Jun 13 14:12:44 <trex0051> Let me try again.
Jun 13 14:13:42 <trex0051> There are multiple game boards, let's say Chess and checkers....
Jun 13 14:17:03 <trex0051> When the player chooses Chess, the chessboard registers with app.js
Jun 13 14:17:45 <trex0051> however all the boards have the same basic commands that can come from the server, for example "MovePiece(from_x,from_y,to_x,to_y)
Jun 13 14:18:26 <trex0051> so if that command comes in to app.js, it says "what gameboard is registered?  Okay, Chess, I will pass the command there...
Jun 13 14:18:31 <trex0051> Is there a better way?
Jun 13 14:19:01 <dmanderson> lets assume using 2.4 for now :) to make it easy
Jun 13 14:19:27 <dmanderson> in app.js you would have kind:"Application" , that has a view property.
Jun 13 14:19:48 <dmanderson> you could just define the board a separate View
Jun 13 14:20:06 <dmanderson> and then the application would always send commands to view.MethodName
Jun 13 14:20:23 <dmanderson> you could have various properties on it if you needed to the know the board
Jun 13 14:20:32 <dmanderson> You've pretty much done the same thing, but most likely more manually
Jun 13 14:20:36 <dmanderson> just assuming without seeing the code really
Jun 13 14:21:28 <dmanderson> but after using bindings, maybe even a webservice controller, there would be few things to alter when ever you wanted to create a new game board
Jun 13 14:22:10 <dmanderson> {name: "GameBoard", defaultMethod: function(){}}
Jun 13 14:22:24 <dmanderson> {name:"Checkers", kind:"GameBoard"}
Jun 13 14:23:14 <dmanderson> then if you needed to alter things, but still call base functions you can take advantage of enyo.inherited
Jun 13 14:23:37 * dmanderson re-reads
Jun 13 14:24:14 <dmanderson> Yeah I mean you're doing it fairly well.
Jun 13 14:24:18 <dmanderson> You could bind to properties
Jun 13 14:24:28 <dmanderson> and use observers if you wanted to kick it up a notch
Jun 13 14:25:30 <dmanderson> Hope that makes sense :) I'm always game for a google hangout to chat it out
Jun 13 14:25:35 <dmanderson> Usually easier sometimes
Jun 13 14:29:29 <trex0051> I think I bit off more than I can chew.... I need smaller chunks :)
Jun 13 14:31:37 <SimpsonTP> observers are nice :)
Jun 13 14:38:03 <pjetr> @dmanderson: no we don't have enyo meetups here
Jun 13 14:41:20 <dmanderson> need to start having a #enyojs meetup then ;-)
Jun 13 14:45:59 <trex0051> Another Question :-[ ... I'm changing a published property, but it does not seem to be firing the whateverChanged: function(oldVal){}  function.  Do I need to call something to fire that?
Jun 13 14:46:49 <trex0051> I'm just changing it from it's parent by calling this.$.ControlName.whatever = 'Something';
Jun 13 14:52:09 <dmanderson> use setWhatever
Jun 13 14:52:16 <dmanderson> or set('whatever'
Jun 13 14:52:34 <dmanderson> instead of .whatever
Jun 13 14:53:20 <dmanderson> Using the setter/getter methods or bindings will fix that, and allow Enyo to fire off observed mutations
Jun 13 15:01:19 <trex0051> duh.... I should have known :)
Jun 13 15:01:32 <trex0051> Thanks dmanderson
Jun 13 15:01:43 <dmanderson> np!
Jun 13 15:01:46 <dmanderson> glad to help!
Jun 13 15:03:34 <pjetr> so, the weekend has landed
Jun 13 15:03:41 * pjetr waves
Jun 13 15:03:48 <pjetr> have a good one!
Jun 13 15:03:51 * pjetr out
Jun 13 15:03:56 <trex0051> ciao
Jun 13 15:06:00 <SimpsonTP> encapsulation / waterfalling and bubling rocks :)
Jun 13 15:19:29 <dmanderson> best parts of Enyo SimpsonTP!
Jun 13 15:23:42 <trex0051> If I have a FittableColumns, with two columns, is there a simple way to flip the order of the columns so they are displayed on opposite sides?
Jun 13 17:39:49 <SimpsonTP> still people awake ?
Jun 13 17:41:57 <lt_dan> still awake at 1:45p, yup
Jun 13 17:42:01 <SimpsonTP> :)
Jun 13 17:42:30 <SimpsonTP> I'm using the bootplate to get my enyo stuff started, but it seems rather bloated to me, isn't there a smarter way ?
Jun 13 17:42:54 <SimpsonTP> I end up with redundant files over and over again
Jun 13 17:44:39 <dmanderson> LOL yeah 12:46pm here
Jun 13 17:44:55 <dmanderson> I just use a blank directory SimpsonTP
Jun 13 17:45:01 <SimpsonTP> is 19:46 here
Jun 13 17:45:03 <SimpsonTP> dmanderson, -v
Jun 13 17:45:11 <dmanderson> with a deploy.json
Jun 13 17:45:35 <SimpsonTP> -vv
Jun 13 17:45:44 <dmanderson>  /deploy.json  /src/package.js
Jun 13 17:45:48 <dmanderson> that's about all you really need.
Jun 13 17:46:07 <SimpsonTP> and then point to some central repo where enyo itself is stored ?
Jun 13 17:46:25 * SimpsonTP uses maven a lot, but I couldn't find anything like that for javascript
Jun 13 17:46:28 <dmanderson> I have an unpolished grunt plugin https://www.npmjs.org/package/grunt-enyo-builder
Jun 13 17:47:21 <dmanderson> but other wise yes, you can clone the repo into a central location, and just use deploy.js
Jun 13 17:48:04 <dmanderson> there is also a cli tool https://www.npmjs.org/package/enyo
Jun 13 17:48:34 <dmanderson> a few options to help that kinda of problem, what ever suits you :)
Jun 13 17:50:36 <SimpsonTP> hmmm I see some room for improvement there
Jun 13 17:51:59 <SimpsonTP> so your /deploy.json is pointing to src/package.js
Jun 13 18:09:43 <dmanderson> yea or another place, gen src
Jun 13 18:10:10 <SimpsonTP> and you use that grunt builder ?
Jun 13 18:39:16 <SimpsonTP> dmanderson, the grunt builder you created still needs layout / onyx in my project ?
Jun 13 18:40:38 <dmanderson> if you need them yeah, you would want to toss them in a $libs folder, it makes no assumptions on the dependencies of the app
Jun 13 18:40:48 <SimpsonTP> k
Jun 13 18:40:49 <dmanderson> there is a yeoman project now for scaffolding as well
Jun 13 18:41:05 <dmanderson> http://andregarzia.com/posts/en/enyogenerator/
Jun 13 18:41:05 <synergybot> dmanderson meant: there is a yeoman project now for scaffolding as well
Jun 13 18:42:44 <SimpsonTP> I don't want no samples in my project repo :-/
Jun 13 18:50:54 <dmanderson> ha
Jun 13 19:53:57 <SimpsonTP> I do have a issue with running a app from source it seems
Jun 13 19:54:07 <SimpsonTP> $lib location seems screwed up now
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