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Jul 25 13:26:29 <pjetr> afternoon room
Jul 25 13:28:08 <dmanderson> good morning
Jul 25 13:32:35 <pjetr> :)
Jul 25 13:59:25 <GodGinrai> good morning
Jul 25 14:03:04 <pjetr> afternoon :)
Jul 25 16:14:03 <crankin> i hear that enyo provides underscore like functions on the enyo object. .map etc. Is this true and is there a place where they are published. I don't see them in the API viewer. Or do I just need to search the source code?
Jul 25 16:14:55 <GodGinrai> they are in the API viewer
Jul 25 16:15:04 <GodGinrai> in the index, not the kinds tab
Jul 25 16:15:11 <GodGinrai> go down to the E section
Jul 25 16:15:20 <GodGinrai> and you will see all the functions and objects on the enyo object
Jul 25 16:15:38 <GodGinrai> like enyo.map, enyo.filter, enyo.foreach, enyo.json.stringify, etc.
Jul 25 16:15:54 <crankin> oh ok,
Jul 25 16:15:55 <crankin> thanks
Jul 25 16:15:57 <GodGinrai> yw
Jul 25 16:24:13 <dmanderson> Working on those docs
Jul 25 16:24:14 <dmanderson> :)
Jul 25 16:26:55 <crankin> yay!
Jul 25 16:43:22 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: docs?
Jul 25 17:54:49 <GodGinrai> <.<
Jul 25 17:59:33 <dmanderson> HA
Jul 25 17:59:34 <dmanderson> oops
Jul 25 17:59:35 <dmanderson> sorry
Jul 25 17:59:45 <dmanderson> Yeah, we’re redoing enyo documentation
Jul 25 18:00:21 <GodGinrai> JSDoc?
Jul 25 19:07:26 <Zectbumo> How do I get an onyx CSS styled Panel and how am I supposed to find this on my own?
Jul 25 19:09:01 <GodGinrai> ermm...
Jul 25 19:09:09 <GodGinrai> there isn't really onyx styling for panels
Jul 25 19:09:15 <GodGinrai> what exactly are you trying to do?
Jul 25 19:09:30 <Zectbumo> I'm trying to make a web app that is styled like WebOS
Jul 25 19:09:58 <Zectbumo> I have a Panel now but it's transperant so text overlaps
Jul 25 19:10:14 <GodGinrai> yep. Panels are transparent by default
Jul 25 19:10:48 <Zectbumo> so what's the typical style that is applied?
Jul 25 19:12:12 <GodGinrai> I normally just apply my own styles
Jul 25 19:12:45 <GodGinrai> I know that if you apply the "onyx" style to your top-level control, it normally applies some onyx styling to things
Jul 25 19:12:51 <GodGinrai> that may be what you are looking for
Jul 25 19:15:20 <Zectbumo> yes, GodGinrai. That did it
Jul 25 19:15:33 <Zectbumo> thanks, that is great
Jul 25 19:15:51 <GodGinrai> yw
Jul 25 19:18:15 <Zectbumo> one thing I was expecting though was a shadowed panel, is that not the norm? Maybe I was thinking that because it was applied to the Enyo Sampler
Jul 25 19:20:12 <GodGinrai> Nope, that's a specific style in their app.css
Jul 25 19:20:36 <GodGinrai> .panels > * {
Jul 25 19:20:37 <GodGinrai>     box-shadow: -4px 0 4px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.3);
Jul 25 19:20:39 <GodGinrai> }
Jul 25 19:23:39 <Zectbumo> I'm understanding the situation now. GodGinrai, how do you know so much about Enyo?
Jul 25 19:35:14 <GodGinrai> I've been messing around with it off-and-on for ~ 1.5 years now
Jul 25 19:35:47 <GodGinrai> Also, I've read the documentation, I read the API, and I sometimes dive into the source
Jul 25 19:36:07 <GodGinrai> debugging w/ Firebug also helps a lot
Jul 25 20:18:54 <dmanderson> If you check the sampler, there are some styles you can rip for the webOS look
Jul 25 20:34:56 <Zectbumo> I'm using the npm install -g enyo method and using enyo debug to run a local debug server but I keep getting errors from lint every time I save the file complaining that 'myapp' is not defined. Even though it is through the Enyo.kind() call. Same goes for 'console' when I use console.log. Anyone else having this problem?
Jul 25 20:48:00 <dmanderson> hmm Zectbumo, who maintains that?
Jul 25 20:48:42 <Zectbumo> I'm not sure, but it seems out of date. If I re-install enyo using npm it doesn't come with grunt stuff
Jul 25 20:50:36 <Zectbumo> I'm trying to follow the O'Rilley Enyo book. Maybe it's outdated
Jul 25 20:51:28 <Zectbumo> I just looked at the enyojs.com 2.4 bootplate docs and they don't mention npm at all. Hmm
Jul 25 20:58:18 <Zectbumo> okay, sorry new way of doing things. I guess the new way is to use npm -g serve; serve
Jul 25 21:06:53 <Zectbumo> dmanderson: How do you do rapid development with Enyo?
Jul 25 21:09:31 <dmanderson> depends on the environment I am, I usually run on a Chromebook, and use a quick dev server from the chrome store
Jul 25 21:09:37 <Zectbumo> a lot of the time hitting refresh on the browser resets the web app which means having to do the same steps in the app to get back to the area you working on. This technique doesn't seem too "rapid" to me.
Jul 25 21:54:35 <dmanderson> Zectbumo implimenting a state router could help with that as well.
Jul 25 21:54:43 <dmanderson> enyo.Router
Jul 25 22:05:00 <Zectbumo> dmanderson: I see people talking about it but I don't see much documentation on it. But I think what you are getting at. I should be able to store the app state in a hashtag and use Router to support it
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