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Aug 19 07:55:54 <joop> morning :)
Aug 19 11:17:06 <pjetr> morning channel
Aug 19 13:46:01 <SimpsonTP> hi guys
Aug 19 14:04:23 <pjetr> hi SimpsonTP
Aug 19 14:04:58 <pjetr> GodGinrai: did you solve your problem?
Aug 19 14:05:07 <pjetr> or was it a wrong hunch?
Aug 19 14:05:11 <GodGinrai> pjetr: Yes, I did
Aug 19 14:05:21 <GodGinrai> the WebOS TV VM runs fine now :)
Aug 19 14:06:59 <pjetr> nicely done
Aug 19 14:17:57 <pjetr> what are you going to create for the TV?
Aug 19 14:18:56 <GodGinrai> That remains to be decided
Aug 19 14:19:19 <GodGinrai> I'm trying to decide what I would appreciate on the TV that I could probably make
Aug 19 14:19:23 <GodGinrai> and work from there
Aug 19 14:25:22 <dmanderson> morning enyoers
Aug 19 14:27:42 <SimpsonTP> hi dmanderson
Aug 19 14:35:50 <pjetr> morning dmanderson, long time since you were online during y working hours :)
Aug 19 14:36:14 <dmanderson> ha yes :)
Aug 19 14:37:44 <SimpsonTP> dmanderson, tried to reach you last week ;)
Aug 19 14:43:27 <GodGinrai> translation: You have failed me
Aug 19 14:43:28 <GodGinrai> :P
Aug 19 14:59:26 <pjetr> great GodGinrai, you've chased him away
Aug 19 14:59:31 <pjetr> ^^
Aug 19 15:06:20 <pjetr> </workday>
Aug 19 15:06:25 * pjetr out
Aug 19 15:32:34 <SimpsonTP> re
Aug 19 15:37:20 <GodGinrai> wb
Aug 19 16:03:19 * SimpsonTP is still confused how to implement stages in a app
Aug 19 16:04:05 <GodGinrai> SimpsonTP: stages?
Aug 19 16:04:26 <SimpsonTP> yeah e.g. from a login page to the app
Aug 19 16:04:34 <SimpsonTP> or a initial config page
Aug 19 16:04:59 <GodGinrai> you would use enyo.Router for a lot of that
Aug 19 16:08:04 <SimpsonTP> hmmm
Aug 19 16:08:14 <SimpsonTP> never heard of that :)
Aug 19 16:10:24 <GodGinrai> it was added around the same time as the MVC stuff
Aug 19 16:10:40 <GodGinrai> look in the API for how to use it
Aug 19 16:10:53 <GodGinrai> and sugardave might be able to help you in its use (I still have not used it)
Aug 19 16:11:24 <SimpsonTP> hmm not sure this is what I want
Aug 19 16:13:23 <GodGinrai> how so?
Aug 19 16:14:27 <SimpsonTP> its URI related
Aug 19 16:14:45 <SimpsonTP> the old mojo scenes is what I'm looking for
Aug 19 16:15:53 <GodGinrai> SimpsonTP: like this? http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=443
Aug 19 16:16:41 <SimpsonTP> yeah like that
Aug 19 16:16:47 <SimpsonTP> a bit at least
Aug 19 16:17:32 <GodGinrai> Herrie was looking for something like this
Aug 19 16:17:50 <GodGinrai> and is now looking at enyo.Router ;)
Aug 19 16:18:10 <GodGinrai> the URI is simply how you keep state
Aug 19 16:18:27 <SimpsonTP> I see that, but not what I mean
Aug 19 16:18:37 <GodGinrai> so what are you meaning?
Aug 19 16:18:43 <SimpsonTP> e.g. I want a app which will show a initial config screen if none is found
Aug 19 16:19:39 <GodGinrai> SimpsonTP: So you want different views?
Aug 19 16:20:49 <SimpsonTP> yup
Aug 19 16:22:26 <GodGinrai> SimpsonTP: I would assume that on change of state, you would simply set a new view for the enyo.Application
Aug 19 16:26:25 <SimpsonTP> hmm
Aug 19 16:26:46 <SimpsonTP> there should be more demo's for this
Aug 19 16:27:07 <GodGinrai> More demos definitely should happen.
Aug 19 16:30:33 <dmanderson> enyo.Application.view = new View()
Aug 19 16:31:09 <SimpsonTP> where view is a kind ?
Aug 19 16:31:19 <dmanderson> no special view kind
Aug 19 16:31:25 <dmanderson> any control can be used as a view
Aug 19 16:31:42 <SimpsonTP> ok
Aug 19 16:32:42 <dmanderson> I was suprised to learn Ionic for angular doesn’t have multiple views as part of it’s paradigm
Aug 19 16:34:29 <SimpsonTP> so how would one switch view ?
Aug 19 16:35:03 <GodGinrai> setView I believe
Aug 19 16:35:16 <SimpsonTP> k
Aug 19 16:38:47 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: how do you refer to the app from within a view again?
Aug 19 16:39:31 <dmanderson> this.app should be available if you are using enyo.Application
Aug 19 16:40:03 <dmanderson> But for encapsulation you may want to bubble
Aug 19 16:40:20 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: just trying to build a PoC
Aug 19 16:40:53 <dmanderson> Yeah, you can be dirty and this.app it up!
Aug 19 16:42:26 <GodGinrai> hrmmm
Aug 19 16:47:48 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: you can only change the view w/ set("view"
Aug 19 16:47:52 <GodGinrai> not setView
Aug 19 16:47:53 <GodGinrai> :\
Aug 19 16:48:09 <dmanderson> >:-|
Aug 19 16:48:13 <GodGinrai> also, while it is changing the view, it does not appear to be rendering the new view?
Aug 19 16:48:41 <dmanderson> I’ve not tried set(“view”, new View()) to be honest
Aug 19 16:49:09 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: I set it to the string
Aug 19 16:49:26 <GodGinrai> for the view name
Aug 19 16:49:38 <GodGinrai> http://jsfiddle.net/09bhefc3/
Aug 19 16:50:46 <sugardave> how complex are these views/this system?  Can you not just have enyo.Panels and switch to whatever index you need for the view (or make a new one and insert it)?  You could tie that with enyo.Router as well
Aug 19 16:51:12 <sugardave> if you're talking about the old Mojo system with stage/scene controllers, well, that's not how we do it anymore :D
Aug 19 16:51:23 <GodGinrai> sugardave: I have done this before, however I don't know what SimpsonTP wanted
Aug 19 16:51:32 <sugardave> oic
Aug 19 16:51:34 <sugardave> he's gone now
Aug 19 16:51:37 <GodGinrai> yup
Aug 19 16:51:37 <sugardave> oops
Aug 19 16:52:11 <GodGinrai> However, I do think that using set("view",...) should work, because what's the point of the ViewController otherwise?
Aug 19 16:53:16 <sugardave> not sure that works.  I think there is some specialness, as the view property is just a string and I don't think setting it after instatiation will make a new kind...unless things have changed since the last time I tried it
Aug 19 16:53:41 <dmanderson> calling render after worked : http://jsfiddle.net/toxigenicpoem/09bhefc3/1/
Aug 19 16:53:53 <sugardave> there you go
Aug 19 16:53:55 <dmanderson> but I agree it should be as easy as set(‘view’, ‘string’);
Aug 19 16:54:33 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: I was about to try that to see if it worked
Aug 19 16:54:34 <GodGinrai> lol
Aug 19 16:55:03 <dmanderson> :)
Aug 19 16:56:30 <GodGinrai> It seems however that using set("view",...) followed by render doesn't work
Aug 19 16:56:40 <GodGinrai> I'm curious now what the differences are
Aug 19 16:56:51 <GodGinrai> between what you did and what that setter does
Aug 19 17:03:00 <GodGinrai> dmanderson:
Aug 19 17:03:04 <GodGinrai> I figured out why
Aug 19 17:03:16 <GodGinrai> render doesn't work after set("view",...)
Aug 19 17:04:19 <dmanderson> Wonder why it throws an undefined/null error
Aug 19 17:04:20 <GodGinrai> this becomes null in that function
Aug 19 17:04:30 <GodGinrai> because set destroys the old view
Aug 19 17:04:35 <GodGinrai> hence, you can't call the apps render
Aug 19 17:04:47 <GodGinrai> see updated code that fixes the problem here: http://jsfiddle.net/09bhefc3/2/
Aug 19 17:04:58 <GodGinrai> *app's
Aug 19 17:05:48 <GodGinrai> This is a problem that probably wouldn't exist if we did bubble up the event and handled the view change in the application
Aug 19 17:07:40 <GodGinrai> hey Zectbumo, here's a fiddle that you might find interesting...  it shows how to change views: http://jsfiddle.net/09bhefc3/2/
Aug 19 17:07:55 <GodGinrai> Anyway, if SimpsonTP ever reconnects, I'll link him to this fiddle
Aug 19 17:08:41 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: to be specific, set doesn't destroy the old view, but the viewChanged method that gets called does.
Aug 19 17:09:11 <dmanderson> thanks GodGinrai
Aug 19 17:09:15 <GodGinrai> yw
Aug 19 17:10:00 <GodGinrai> I think this is a good time to go grab lunch
Aug 19 17:10:04 <GodGinrai> I'll bbl
Aug 19 17:30:02 <GodGinrai> back
Aug 19 17:40:04 <GodGinrai> hey chall
Aug 19 17:55:03 <GodGinrai> hey dmanderson, here's an updated version using the aforementioned bubbling: http://jsfiddle.net/09bhefc3/3/
Aug 19 17:55:32 <dmanderson> very nice!
Aug 19 18:02:36 <chall> hey GodGinrai
Aug 19 18:04:00 <dmanderson> w/b chall
Aug 19 18:31:39 <chall> tyty
Aug 19 18:51:24 <GodGinrai> hey SimpsonTP
Aug 19 18:51:50 <GodGinrai> here's your state changing example:
Aug 19 18:51:52 <GodGinrai> http://jsfiddle.net/09bhefc3/3
Aug 19 18:52:00 <GodGinrai> wb btw
Aug 19 18:52:34 <SimpsonTP> cute
Aug 19 18:54:11 <GodGinrai> You would probably combine this w/ enyo.Router so that you can better handle state
Aug 19 18:54:31 <GodGinrai> but you'll have to talk to sugardave about that one
Aug 19 18:54:53 <GodGinrai> or dmanderson maybe
Aug 19 23:25:35 <SimpsonTP> re
Aug 19 23:44:52 <dmanderson> hello
Aug 19 23:47:00 <SimpsonTP> sorry for being in /out all the time
Aug 19 23:47:09 <SimpsonTP> did you get my PM about a program or presentation ?
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