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Oct 13 18:01:06 <GodGinrai> so quiet....
Oct 13 18:21:21 <Semanticfire_2> work to do ;)
Oct 13 18:22:34 <GodGinrai> lol
Oct 13 18:42:25 <chall> I love it when pass-by-reference kicks in
Oct 13 18:42:29 <chall> http://jsfiddle.net/p6eshxpa/
Oct 13 18:42:40 <chall> GodGinrai, ^ observe the last hour of my life
Oct 13 18:43:02 <chall> all to figure that out
Oct 13 18:44:26 <GodGinrai> chall: why does the array have 2 entries?
Oct 13 19:15:05 <chall> because both object share the same array
Oct 13 19:15:15 <chall> it's not two objects with two arrays, it's two objects with 1
Oct 13 19:15:40 <chall> if I'd added an additional thing, we would have had 3 entries
Oct 13 19:19:36 <GodGinrai> chall: so what you are saying
Oct 13 19:19:49 <GodGinrai> is that the anonymous function in the enyo.inherit
Oct 13 19:19:53 <GodGinrai> has its own this
Oct 13 19:19:57 <GodGinrai> *
Oct 13 19:19:59 <GodGinrai> this.things
Oct 13 19:20:09 <chall> no
Oct 13 19:20:33 <chall> I'm saying that all TestThingy's will share a things array
Oct 13 19:20:39 <chall> anything you do to one of them is done to all of them
Oct 13 19:20:40 <GodGinrai> But they shouldn't
Oct 13 19:20:44 <chall> but it does
Oct 13 19:20:57 <GodGinrai> but if this were true
Oct 13 19:21:05 <GodGinrai> nothing in enyo would work correctly
Oct 13 19:21:13 <chall> that's not entirely true
Oct 13 19:21:35 <chall> the issue is specifically tied to arrays and plain objects
Oct 13 19:22:10 <chall> it's the reason you can pass an object into a function, mutate the object in the function, and see the mutations on the outside without returning anything from the function
Oct 13 19:22:34 <chall> I've used this particular side-effecting quirk a number of times
Oct 13 19:22:37 <chall> it works with arrays too
Oct 13 19:24:17 <GodGinrai> yes, but all of the properties in the kind definition are supposed to be mixed into the constructor
Oct 13 19:24:28 <GodGinrai> so when you do "new", it should not carry over
Oct 13 19:25:07 <chall> that would be true if enyo's mixin function did deep cloning
Oct 13 19:25:24 <chall> ANY object or array attached to the kind definition will be copied by reference
Oct 13 19:25:31 <GodGinrai> :\
Oct 13 19:25:35 <chall> I could probably write another fiddle to prove it
Oct 13 19:26:30 <chall> actually, that's not entirely true
Oct 13 19:26:42 <chall> there are a few cases where I'm pretty sure it's done properly
Oct 13 19:26:53 <GodGinrai> :\
Oct 13 19:27:03 <chall> namely, bindings.  Since I have a place in my code where I edit those in place and it seems to always work
Oct 13 19:27:19 <chall> though, I always modify them the same way, so it's possible that it only works because I'm not adding to it
Oct 13 19:27:42 <GodGinrai> Something needs to be done about this.  This would be a horrible trap for new users
Oct 13 19:28:03 <GodGinrai> also, I have no idea why I haven't run into this yet
Oct 13 19:29:31 <chall> probably luck
Oct 13 19:29:53 <chall> I've found it to be a really obscure area of JS
Oct 13 19:29:59 <chall> for some reason
Oct 13 19:30:06 <chall> I run into/use it all the time
Oct 13 19:36:59 <GodGinrai> wb dmanderson
Oct 13 19:37:05 <dmanderson> ty
Oct 13 19:37:24 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: http://jsfiddle.net/p6eshxpa/
Oct 13 19:37:51 <GodGinrai> ^ something needs to be done about this.  This is a devious trap that could confuse new users
Oct 13 19:39:36 <dmanderson> thanks GodGinrai, i’ll pass it up to clinuz
Oct 13 19:40:21 <GodGinrai> thank chall, too.  He's the one who found it ;)
Oct 13 19:51:16 <dmanderson> thanks chall!
Oct 13 19:52:27 <Semanticfire_2> hi dmanderson
Oct 13 19:52:42 <Semanticfire_2> dmanderson, I'm around the corner in 2 weeks again
Oct 13 19:53:12 <dmanderson> oh awesome!
Oct 13 19:53:40 <Semanticfire_2> did you had time to look at my grunt / grunt-maven examples ?
Oct 13 19:54:27 <GodGinrai> the answer to this question determines whether your upcoming meeting w/ Semanticfire_2 will be a good or bad one :P
Oct 13 19:56:40 <Semanticfire_2> well there is no obligation to look at my stuff :)
Oct 13 19:57:04 <Semanticfire_2> it might be the difference between dmanderson or me buying a beer though ;)
Oct 13 20:09:49 <dmanderson> hahaha @ Semanticfire_2 ;-)
Oct 13 20:10:17 <dmanderson> I’ll look before you get here for sure! ;-) But I’ll also buy the brews this tiem :)
Oct 13 20:10:49 <Semanticfire_2> does that mean you won't look at my work ? ;)
Oct 13 20:11:24 <dmanderson> HA!
Oct 13 20:17:33 <Semanticfire_2> its a extension update of the stuff you created once
Oct 13 20:36:20 <Semanticfire_2> dmanderson, https://github.com/semanticfire/enyo-grunt-skeleton
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