**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 07 03:00:00 2014 Nov 07 13:22:04 good afternoon, this fine morning Nov 07 14:21:40 pjetr: good morning Nov 07 14:22:24 hey trex0051, what up? Nov 07 14:22:53 the ceiling *badum* *tish* Nov 07 14:57:18 ways to kill the conversation, part 1, by GodGinrai Nov 07 15:09:45 I'll just take part 2 on me :D Nov 07 15:36:20 lol Nov 07 17:00:51 good morning enyoers Nov 07 17:10:00 morning dmanderson Nov 07 17:13:46 This room is aware that we are under heavy considerations about Enyo 3 right? Nov 07 17:14:07 I was not Nov 07 17:14:11 what's the deal? Nov 07 17:14:30 now is the perfect time to chime in with your opinions and help us design or decide through community just ask much as being here at LG https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/enyo-development/yEiHkeXGwr4 Nov 07 17:17:32 hrm Nov 07 17:18:07 I think the most important thing would be to create a more desktop-oriented widget library to sit alongside Onyx and Moonstone Nov 07 17:18:23 That, and apply some of the things you have learned from Moonstone back to Onyx Nov 07 17:18:39 Onyx.Pickers suck. We need a better solution Nov 07 18:24:20 there isn't much in that thread Nov 07 18:24:32 what is the request, what are the options? Nov 07 18:25:09 maybe some more advertising / communication about it would be good to get feedback, perhaps on forums.enyojs.com & blog.enyojs.com Nov 07 18:25:41 agree about pickers. bane of my existence Nov 07 18:45:34 Cage1___: The blog did mention they were looking for feedback Nov 07 18:47:16 We def need more communication. Nov 07 18:47:19 I totally agree Nov 07 18:47:22 true but didn't say much what type of feedback Nov 07 18:47:24 I’m pushing for a public meeting in January. Nov 07 18:47:33 Let me see if I can dig out the email that was sent. Nov 07 18:47:59 any news on 2.5.1 release? :) Nov 07 18:48:05 dmanderson: if it's another one of those hangouts, at least do it sometime not during work hours <.< Nov 07 18:49:25 Nope it will be after hours PST. Nov 07 18:49:32 We’ll try to get you virtual beer and pizza Nov 07 18:49:34 ;-) Nov 07 18:53:44 re: what @GodGinrai said about desktop oriented widget library: any way to leverage bootstrap or some other widget set as an optional module/lib of enyo? Nov 07 18:56:07 Sure, I mean you can do that now, there just hasn’t been a motiviation to build that bridge yet internally. Totally something to look at from a community perspective though. Nov 07 18:58:37 yes, i realize one can. however, when new developers look at enyo, they say things like: "- it seems like the pre-existing controls that come out of the box aren't as rich, sophisticated or full-featured as the ones that come with say, Bootstrap or Font Awesome." perhaps at least some info in documentation pointing it out Nov 07 18:59:59 also, would be helpful if the enyo team could provide concrete guidance to the community on how to proceed with these types of "community projects". Nov 07 19:00:32 perhaps even with a list of community projects you'd be interested in seeing happen, and would be willing to provide some guidance on. Nov 07 19:02:07 I agree with Cage1___ Nov 07 19:02:17 one of the hardest part about convincing people to switch to Enyo Nov 07 19:02:26 is that they need premade things they can just use Nov 07 19:03:19 Also, Cage1___, on IRC, we don't use @ symbols unless we're talking about email addresses <.< Nov 07 19:04:00 hehe, but i like @ symbols. :) #LongLive@ Nov 07 19:04:04 haha Nov 07 19:04:35 This isn't twitter :P Nov 07 19:04:36 it's been a long time since i've been back on IRC Nov 07 19:04:49 That's ok Nov 07 19:04:55 Let all the bad habits leave you ;) Nov 07 19:05:03 you're safe now Nov 07 19:05:43 can i use :) :) :) Nov 07 19:06:47 All great points! Nov 07 19:07:20 Cage1___: only custom ones[/teachingByExample] Nov 07 19:11:57 personally, i think getting 2.5.1 out the door, more communication, and more documentation should be top of list. and for 3.0, consider leveraging /partnering with well known open source frameworks / libraries, etc for improving productivity with and marketing of enyo Nov 07 19:13:06 I wholeheartedly agree on more documentation Nov 07 19:13:14 more communication would be good as well Nov 07 19:14:16 As for the "partnering with other frameworks", I'm not sure that's needed, but basic stuff needs to work. There should be an easy way to include enyo using require.js (I don't think it even works right now) for example Nov 07 19:16:37 part of the "leveraging / partnering " is for publicity and being able to say enyo works with them, mainly to generate more buzz and draw more developers. or perhaps just examples of how enyo can be used with bootstrap and others, etc. Nov 07 19:17:52 Cage1___: you don't compete against other frameworks by saying "You can use this framework with ours Nov 07 21:53:20 sure you can. other frameworks do it all the time Nov 07 21:53:55 you just have to make sure you're working something that complements your framework, not a direct competitor of course Nov 07 21:54:15 unless you think enyo is just perfect for everything, you're probably already using something else to fill in the gaps Nov 07 22:04:52 Use everyone’s framework :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 08 03:00:00 2014