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Dec 12 15:42:01 <Roy__> Cage1___: Next was sleep.
Dec 12 15:42:20 <Cage1___> lol
Dec 12 15:43:53 <GodGinrai> Sleep, what's that?
Dec 12 15:43:57 <GodGinrai> Can you eat it?
Dec 12 16:50:44 <DougReeder> I’ve got several similar Repeaters, so I’ve made a kind to handle their common functionality. The items have an Input and a Menu (inside a MenuDecorator).  This would be straigntforwared if the Menu always had the same items, but for one it’s different. Is there an easy way to set up a Menu from an array of strings?
Dec 12 16:53:07 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: sure.  Just convert the array of strings to an array of objects
Dec 12 16:54:05 <DougReeder> And how does one tell Menu to use the array of objects?
Dec 12 16:55:21 <GodGinrai> Well, probably the easiest way would be to call objectArray.foreach(function(obj) { menuKind.createComponent(obj) });
Dec 12 16:55:37 <GodGinrai> I have to go to lunch now, but I'm up for talking with you more about this when I get back :)
Dec 12 16:58:09 * DougReeder nods
Dec 12 18:04:44 <dmanderson> morning enyoers
Dec 12 18:07:57 <dmanderson> chall care to post the stylish theme on the forums? http://forums.enyojs.com/discussion/2272/some-feedback-on-the-new-documentation-pages#latest
Dec 12 18:21:46 <GodGinrai> good morning dmanderson
Dec 12 18:21:49 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: I'm back
Dec 12 18:23:11 <DougReeder> so, call createComponent in the create() method?
Dec 12 18:27:46 <GodGinrai> That should probably work.  I don't remember if the component hash already exists at that point yet.
Dec 12 18:28:45 <DougReeder> It does after you call         this.inherited(arguments);
Dec 12 18:28:52 <GodGinrai> ah, ok
Dec 12 18:30:15 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: FittableLayout has Flex capabilities now?
Dec 12 18:44:09 <chall> dmanderson, I'd be happy to.  I just made my account, though, so it'll have to wait until I'm approved.
Dec 12 18:47:52 <dmanderson> great, s/b approved
Dec 12 18:51:00 <chall> and posted
Dec 12 18:55:00 <GodGinrai> chall: still too much Carolina Blue.  Back to the Drawing Board. :P
Dec 12 18:59:04 <chall> lol
Dec 12 19:00:48 <chall> I actually like the light-blue-on-dark
Dec 12 19:00:54 * chall shrugs
Dec 12 19:01:42 <GodGinrai> I'm much rather prefer a darker blue like is in the enyo logo
Dec 12 19:04:32 <summatusmentis> hey dmanderson, there was a call a while ago about "future of enyo" and a new UI toolkit
Dec 12 19:04:36 <summatusmentis> where did that end up going?
Dec 12 19:04:49 <summatusmentis> (out of curiosity, onyx is starting to look dated)
Dec 12 19:05:07 <GodGinrai> new ui toolkit was moonstone, wasn't it?
Dec 12 19:06:18 <summatusmentis> meh, I thought this was newer than that
Dec 12 19:07:55 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: plus you could use mochi if you want something better looking
Dec 12 19:08:19 <summatusmentis> I could be mis-remembering
Dec 12 19:08:52 <summatusmentis> I kinda forgot about mochi
Dec 12 19:09:02 <summatusmentis> right now we're just overriding onyx
Dec 12 19:09:03 <GodGinrai> lol
Dec 12 19:09:44 <GodGinrai> I've been planning on doing some test apps in mochi for a while now
Dec 12 19:09:49 <GodGinrai> just haven't gotten around to it
Dec 12 19:10:13 <summatusmentis> yeah, I just killed the gradients on onyx, and override the color with our own special classes
Dec 12 19:10:26 <summatusmentis> it'd probably be easier if I figured out the less stuff, but I couldn't get it working when I tried it
Dec 12 19:10:40 <GodGinrai> psssh
Dec 12 19:10:49 <GodGinrai> less, sass, IMO they are overrated
Dec 12 19:11:17 <summatusmentis> http://blog.enyojs.com/post/99946719594/update-on-enyo-updates is what I was thinking
Dec 12 19:11:27 <summatusmentis> "next-gen framework"
Dec 12 19:11:52 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: yea, that's talking about the enyo 3.0 release
Dec 12 19:12:11 <summatusmentis> mm
Dec 12 19:12:29 <dmanderson> Yeah next gen portion of the framework, we really haven’t discussed a next gen UI upgrade from Onyx
Dec 12 19:12:42 <dmanderson> I’d personally like to see an implimentation of material design.
Dec 12 19:13:12 <summatusmentis> I thought I would have as well, but I don't know how I feel about material design on iOS
Dec 12 19:13:18 <summatusmentis> it feels too "googley"
Dec 12 19:13:24 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: material design?
Dec 12 19:13:33 <summatusmentis> the new google stuff
Dec 12 19:13:58 <summatusmentis> http://www.google.com/design/spec/material-design/introduction.html
Dec 12 19:14:02 <GodGinrai> eh
Dec 12 19:14:22 <GodGinrai> IMHO, that just feels to me like flat 2.0
Dec 12 19:14:22 <summatusmentis> I would like to see more "motion" capacity
Dec 12 19:14:34 <summatusmentis> right now motion in enyo is entirely manual
Dec 12 19:14:37 <GodGinrai> which Mochi was already doing more stylish in the first place
Dec 12 19:14:50 <summatusmentis> it's not only about styl
Dec 12 19:14:53 <summatusmentis> style*
Dec 12 19:15:10 <dmanderson> Yeah not about style.
Dec 12 19:15:17 <summatusmentis> material design is flat style + a paradigm for interaction
Dec 12 19:15:55 <dmanderson> I think it feels googly on iOS because only google apps are using it atm
Dec 12 19:16:00 <summatusmentis> specifically, a concept of z-axis layering of "flat"
Dec 12 19:16:05 <dmanderson> There haven’t been a lot of great customization examples yet.
Dec 12 19:16:18 <summatusmentis> dmanderson: right, that's my issue, is how customizable can it be
Dec 12 19:16:37 <summatusmentis> obviously people have been able to take Apple's HIG and customize it nicely
Dec 12 19:16:55 <summatusmentis> material design feels like the HIG for google stuff
Dec 12 19:16:56 <dmanderson> In theory it should be pretty customizable. It’s part of the design specs from day one.
Dec 12 19:17:25 <dmanderson> The hopes are not all material design apps will look the same, but will interact / feel similar.
Dec 12 19:17:57 <summatusmentis> if enyo did material design well, and had a reasonable material design parallel to the UI concepts that exist but added new ones, I'd be all about it
Dec 12 19:18:48 <GodGinrai> eh
Dec 12 19:19:49 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: I'd love to see something like a lazy-loading Panels-style Kind that took advantage of ViewController to load new views when needed but could animate between them
Dec 12 19:21:14 <summatusmentis> dmanderson: is there a roadmap/timeframe for 3.0?
Dec 12 19:21:25 <summatusmentis> as in, should I wait to upgrade from 2.2? :)
Dec 12 19:22:07 <dmanderson> ha :) all roadmap questions go to @Roy__ ;-)
Dec 12 19:24:14 <summatusmentis> it's gonna be a concerted effort for use to upgrade and fully use 2.x (were x > 2), and right now I don't have the dev resources
Dec 12 19:25:01 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: No, you should not wait
Dec 12 19:25:10 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: It is not anytime soon
Dec 12 19:25:21 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: and we have told you over and over to upgrade already
Dec 12 19:26:20 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: 2.5.1 is out; Time to upgrade!
Dec 12 19:27:08 <summatusmentis> yes yes yes
Dec 12 19:27:09 <summatusmentis> I know
Dec 12 19:27:27 <summatusmentis> all I'm saying is, I'm not going to upgrade anytime soon :)
Dec 12 19:27:40 <GodGinrai> -_-
Dec 12 19:28:04 <GodGinrai> It probably wouldn't take you longer than an hour to upgrade (if even that)
Dec 12 19:30:23 <summatusmentis> well, the time commitment is learning the new MVC stuff, and disconnecting the old stuff
Dec 12 19:30:26 <summatusmentis> probably
Dec 12 19:30:39 <summatusmentis> the actual upgrae itself isn't what's worrying me
Dec 12 19:32:16 <GodGinrai> Converting old code to use MVC would add to the time, sure.  But do you need to do that right away?  Why not upgrade now and take advantage of new features for new code?
Dec 12 19:32:29 <GodGinrai> Then you can go and convert old code as tech debt
Dec 12 19:33:36 <summatusmentis> no, you're right. When I say upgrade, I'm talking about sitting down and dealing with the technical debt
Dec 12 20:18:49 <Roy__> summatusmentis: Don't wait to upgrade based on Enyo 3.0.  There's no timeframe for that.
Dec 12 20:18:55 <summatusmentis> kk
Dec 12 20:42:27 <chall> as an aside, GodGinrai, summatusmentis, you can also use enyo-bootstrap :D
Dec 12 20:42:47 <chall> https://github.com/KenCorbettJr/bootstrap-enyo
Dec 12 20:42:48 <GodGinrai> enyo-bootstrap?
Dec 12 20:42:53 <chall> enyo-bootstrap
Dec 12 20:43:14 <chall> it's Enyo with Bootstrap styles
Dec 12 20:43:21 <GodGinrai> Oh neat
Dec 12 20:43:51 <GodGinrai> I like that someone did this.  Although I care little since I'm not a big fan of bootstrap :P
Dec 12 20:44:02 <chall> I like it for some thing
Dec 12 20:44:03 <chall> s
Dec 12 20:54:58 <summatusmentis> chall: huh, intriguing
Dec 13 02:50:10 <Roy__away> We had actually worked on a bootstrap UI library at one point but abandoned it.
Dec 13 02:50:18 <Roy__away> Durnit, I'm not away!
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