**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 10 02:59:57 2008 Nov 10 08:23:50 g'morning Nov 10 08:27:09 lo Nov 10 08:49:30 gello* Nov 10 08:49:38 sorry "hello"! Nov 10 08:59:58 yellow Nov 10 09:00:27 blue Nov 10 09:00:45 iurgi: what skirt are you wearing today ? Nov 10 09:00:53 a yellow skirt :p Nov 10 09:01:33 i think so too :) Nov 10 09:02:38 whoa iurgi is wearing a skirt hence he's from Glasgow , not from Bilbao :) Nov 10 09:03:08 hehe Nov 10 09:05:14 lol Nov 10 09:07:54 only 4.5 hours left in Monday here ... Nov 10 09:08:02 hehehe Nov 10 09:09:11 So I plugged a usb 2.0 hub into the fon2 today, and it wasn't recognised in /proc/bus/usb/devices (only the root ehci driver was shown). Any ideas why? Nov 10 09:09:41 rwhitby: hmm... Nov 10 09:12:26 I'll try it again in a couple of hours after the kids have gone to bed Nov 10 09:12:49 ok Nov 10 09:12:50 thx Nov 10 11:03:16 What day is it today ? Nov 10 11:03:22 is it monday :-) Nov 10 11:03:26 it is indeed Nov 10 11:03:29 :) Nov 10 11:03:30 :-D Nov 10 11:03:37 we never said the time :) Nov 10 11:03:43 Not bothering you Nov 10 11:03:51 juste waiting excited Nov 10 11:04:45 hehe Nov 10 11:05:40 I think I'm not the only one ;) Nov 10 11:06:00 hehe Nov 10 11:06:07 can i join the crowd ? :) Nov 10 11:13:10 lol Nov 10 11:13:28 just final details :) Nov 10 11:13:30 Do you have an idea of the time ? Nov 10 11:13:32 ok Nov 10 11:13:35 no, sorry Nov 10 11:13:38 cannot say Nov 10 11:13:42 ok Nov 10 11:13:47 it will be out as soon as we finish it Nov 10 11:14:27 we found a few small bugs Nov 10 11:14:30 we're dealing with them Nov 10 11:14:38 shouldn't take long, but depends Nov 10 11:14:47 the release means few more things than bugfixing... Nov 10 11:14:53 exactly Nov 10 11:15:01 like i need to prepare gpl tar bal etc Nov 10 11:16:49 tar baaal Nov 10 11:17:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal Nov 10 11:18:07 * blogic waits for a random youtube link Nov 10 11:19:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClG2IIh4I3c Nov 10 11:20:11 still 2 hours to go on Monday here ... ;-) Nov 10 11:20:22 XD Nov 10 12:44:05 blogic: false alarm, now it sees the hub, flash and bt dongle. Nov 10 12:45:18 blogic: aha - if I unplug and plug the hub back in, it is not found Nov 10 12:49:47 hmm Nov 10 13:32:23 blogic: I need bluez-utils to be able to do anything with those bluetooth modules Nov 10 13:32:44 and opkg can't be found ... Nov 10 13:33:34 ok Nov 10 13:33:37 1 sec Nov 10 13:59:32 rwhitby, but you have the package? Nov 10 13:59:42 maybe you can uncompress it manually? Nov 10 14:00:10 iurgi: I'll wait for beta2 - bed time here now Nov 10 14:00:28 ok, but beta2 has no opkg either Nov 10 14:00:33 have a good night Nov 10 14:12:31 How would we do without opkg ? Nov 10 14:13:05 i think we should add opkg to beta2 until we can replace it Nov 10 14:13:10 it will help developers a lot Nov 10 14:14:25 :-) Nov 10 14:19:27 hmmm Nov 10 14:19:29 help? Nov 10 14:19:48 well... we can do it, I guess Nov 10 14:19:58 but imho, it's not really a help Nov 10 14:20:04 why ? Nov 10 14:20:34 why would it be of any help? Nov 10 14:20:55 tar x does the same thing, except for the dependencies, which can be easily checked Nov 10 14:21:23 moin Nov 10 14:21:46 iurgi: actually, the first thing i did was to build a firmware with opkg Nov 10 14:21:54 and, on the other hand, not using opkg would make the developers if they do any packages, pack it in a tarball, which is much closer to or new package management system Nov 10 14:22:19 so i could install packages like ftdi driver or any needed packages for debugging Nov 10 14:22:36 ./script/feed update packages Nov 10 14:22:38 you know? Nov 10 14:22:43 alxhh_ it's ok, but you could install these same packages without opkg Nov 10 14:22:46 or not? Nov 10 14:22:50 yes Nov 10 14:23:05 iurgi: i could use a stone to drive a nail into wood, but i prefer a hammer Nov 10 14:23:12 ;) Nov 10 14:23:14 I know, but still I think it's just a convenience, not a requirement... I think all the work can be done without much more work Nov 10 14:23:21 hmmm Nov 10 14:23:38 I would say: I beter cut bread with a knife... but my hads would do it as well Nov 10 14:23:39 if you want to make the platform inconvinient, ... Nov 10 14:23:41 ;) Nov 10 14:23:46 s/hads/hands/ Nov 10 14:23:53 alxhh_ Nov 10 14:24:05 I think it's more inconvenient to get used to use something you will get rid of Nov 10 14:24:26 I think usgin opkg now and removing it in 2 weeks is more inconvenient Nov 10 14:25:18 you know, i am not into your internal discussions, so i have no clues wats wrong with package management and a cannot participate in this discussion ;) Nov 10 14:25:36 you certainly can Nov 10 14:25:39 we're open to listen anything Nov 10 14:25:40 :D Nov 10 14:26:01 it's just that I think ipkg was a great disaster Nov 10 14:26:05 I know opkg is not the same Nov 10 14:26:12 i live in a worls, where i need to install packages, from the openwrt package tree Nov 10 14:26:23 but my experience is: I'm happy since I stopped using package management systems in the foneras Nov 10 14:26:26 tcpdump, nmap, strace, kernelmodules Nov 10 14:27:08 debugging tools Nov 10 14:27:17 sure Nov 10 14:27:21 that is certainly a point Nov 10 14:27:22 but, i am not a normal guy ;) Nov 10 14:27:39 and the main reason I wanted to have a package management system Nov 10 14:27:41 You'r right a wget xxxx -O - | tar -xzvf - Nov 10 14:27:43 Is the best Nov 10 14:27:45 i usually have special need which are not so common Nov 10 14:28:22 PtitTeigneuX i don't know if that is ironic, but I think it's not so inconvenient Nov 10 14:28:25 I do it often Nov 10 14:28:27 not like that Nov 10 14:28:37 If the process is explained in the wiki It's not prob Nov 10 14:28:40 since you have to get rid of the control info of the package Nov 10 14:28:41 no ironical Nov 10 14:28:44 ah Nov 10 14:28:49 well, I don't know who wrote that Nov 10 14:28:56 we should review it Nov 10 14:28:57 :D Nov 10 14:28:58 if you don't need an uninstall, thats fine Nov 10 14:29:00 no, see Nov 10 14:29:04 now seriously Nov 10 14:29:12 the packagemanagement is an important part of the firmware Nov 10 14:29:19 we all need to find out the best solution Nov 10 14:29:28 the only thing in my world i never need to uninstall is opkg Nov 10 14:29:41 or its successor Nov 10 14:29:47 at some point we decided ipkg/opkg were not what we wanted Nov 10 14:30:16 because it wasn't easy to adapt to our 'plans' for the community development and the way we want to handle official and unofficial upgrades Nov 10 14:30:33 so, we've come up with an alternatvie Nov 10 14:30:56 but, if it doesn't work, and many users use opkg or other Nov 10 14:30:59 which is? Nov 10 14:31:00 we should reconsider it Nov 10 14:31:26 what I don't want is that people just start using opkg before using our system and then find out they don't want to change because they're used to it Nov 10 14:31:33 so we should wait for the future next beta Nov 10 14:31:38 it's still under development :) Nov 10 14:31:40 it's no big thing Nov 10 14:31:56 ? Nov 10 14:31:59 well Nov 10 14:32:05 you can start hacking today Nov 10 14:32:15 the basic concept of open source is "standing on the shoulder of a giant", in this case, the giant is the openwrt package tree, so it should be alt least easy to convert openwrt packages into the new format Nov 10 14:32:34 the install of a package is important but only a minute detail during the developement of a plugin Nov 10 14:32:42 alxhh_: our firmware is not just based on openwrt, it IS openwrt Nov 10 14:32:52 99% Nov 10 14:32:56 95% Nov 10 14:32:57 :) Nov 10 14:32:59 ok Nov 10 14:33:01 iurgi: without the packagetree? Nov 10 14:33:06 alxhh_: wait Nov 10 14:33:13 there will be a intermediate layer Nov 10 14:33:16 95% openwrt and 4'5% blogicwrt Nov 10 14:33:17 :D Nov 10 14:33:20 i would have to log on into the buildsystem to have a look Nov 10 14:33:26 the idea in the long run is, to have developers do it how they want Nov 10 14:33:41 and Nov 10 14:33:53 when the plugin is ready, we help to package it or they use the wiki doc Nov 10 14:34:09 the new plugin format imho is more veratile for what we are aiming for Nov 10 14:34:31 opkg will be installed (if developers wish so) with the same package that gives you ssh Nov 10 14:35:13 but in the default firmware, where 90% users wont see "root:/" opkg is a waste of 125k Nov 10 14:35:24 it just, i cant talk about a system i haven't seen, so i cannot judge it Nov 10 14:35:33 ok Nov 10 14:35:38 you'll get it today Nov 10 14:35:41 ;) Nov 10 14:36:09 ehrr Nov 10 14:36:14 today... Nov 10 14:36:23 that part might not be 100% defined yet Nov 10 14:36:27 but at least the basics Nov 10 14:36:57 i was also thinking about the bunch of people who wants to extend the fonera on their own way, without opkg, there will be an vanilla openwrt on the router in minutes ;) Nov 10 14:37:15 hmmm Nov 10 14:37:18 true Nov 10 14:37:22 yes Nov 10 14:37:25 we know Nov 10 14:37:28 but, with a developer package containing opkg, that will not happen so often Nov 10 14:38:06 because, the idea of using a fonera like an normal openwrt system without killing the fon functionality is quite sexy Nov 10 14:38:42 with the old firmware, you have no choice, you have to replace the firmware with openwrt Nov 10 14:38:53 indeed :) Nov 10 14:39:06 but, the new firmware give some nice oppurtunities of not killing the fon part Nov 10 14:39:18 we hope so Nov 10 14:39:18 :D Nov 10 14:39:38 alxhh_: I was somehow in favor of using opkg or similar Nov 10 14:39:50 but pablo and blogic mainly convinced me it was not the best option Nov 10 14:40:04 I had no other chance than accepting their opinion ;) Nov 10 14:40:48 iurgi: i think, the idea of adding opkg as a dev option ist quite good ;) Nov 10 14:41:04 well, that's something easily done Nov 10 14:41:17 actually, I think the dev 'packeage' will be really cool Nov 10 14:41:23 I'm sure developers will be happy with it Nov 10 14:41:40 indeed Nov 10 14:41:45 what I'm a bit more worried about is how we will handle it when it comes to version incompatibilities between applications/plugins Nov 10 14:42:00 the development package will even have a couple of goodies ;) Nov 10 14:43:57 there are quite some people start being interestet in in new fonera Nov 10 14:44:17 some gauy are considering it as a base for sensor networks Nov 10 14:44:20 guys Nov 10 14:44:56 yeah, we got some mails from different universities as well Nov 10 14:44:57 :D Nov 10 14:45:10 * iurgi and his friends are happy Nov 10 14:45:11 :D Nov 10 16:58:07 Hi! I read something yesterday about the Fonera 2.2 firmware? Has it been released already? Nov 10 16:58:14 no Nov 10 16:58:23 we are in the last step preparing the download Nov 10 16:58:32 Nice, good job! =) Nov 10 16:58:37 thx :) Nov 10 16:58:43 it was worth witing for it :) Nov 10 16:58:54 hehe, yeah I hope so ^^ Nov 10 17:00:50 When do you think the firmware will be available? within the hour? (cuz then I'll wait a little with my meal ;) ) Nov 10 17:01:51 eat your meal Nov 10 17:01:53 and thx Nov 10 17:02:00 reminded me of the pizza in the oven Nov 10 17:24:23 ohja, food Nov 10 17:24:48 * iurgi is eating a cookie Nov 10 17:24:59 waxs nice Nov 10 17:25:02 but too small Nov 10 17:28:42 great for the opkg integration in beta2! Nov 10 17:29:14 people don't understand that they can untar packages Nov 10 17:29:15 * alxhh_ waits to see Nov 10 17:29:41 Inouk: and some cannot imagin other usecases than their own Nov 10 17:29:46 ;) Nov 10 17:32:14 yes they can Nov 10 17:32:23 ok, very close now :) Nov 10 17:32:30 just found the bug i am looking for Nov 10 17:32:30 :) Nov 10 17:32:36 now to fix up the luci makefiles Nov 10 17:32:50 is it leagl to provide a binary and the gpl tarball 1 hour later ? :) Nov 10 17:33:44 source should be available on request Nov 10 17:34:02 and we can take 1 hour to handle the request :) Nov 10 17:34:03 if someone ask for it now we will take an hour to answer Nov 10 17:34:05 fine :) Nov 10 17:34:07 :) Nov 10 17:34:15 blogic: 1 hour!!! Nov 10 17:34:28 dude Nov 10 17:34:31 it takes time Nov 10 17:34:54 blogic: it is legal Nov 10 17:35:09 you only need to provide the package (legally) under request Nov 10 17:35:35 the time you take to reply is not specified, so it's probably considered to be a reasonable time, such as a couple of work days ;) Nov 10 17:35:36 takes 1 hour of waiting, 1 hour to build and download, 25 minutes to flash, thats near to infinity ;) Nov 10 17:36:32 alxhh_: hehehe, well, play with the firmware meanwhile Nov 10 17:36:48 btw, blogic: upñoading the file to the server will take time too Nov 10 17:37:35 additionally, any developer cared of learning a bit of lua/luci? lots of opkg requests... but who will make a plugin and then write the luci page for it if they don't learn luci? Nov 10 17:37:39 :P Nov 10 17:37:45 alxhh_: obviously not talking about you in this case Nov 10 17:37:46 :D Nov 10 17:38:59 life is no picnic Nov 10 17:39:38 oh crap Nov 10 17:39:47 what? Nov 10 17:39:51 * blogic puts the chicken wings and dip down Nov 10 17:39:56 that ruined the party Nov 10 17:40:00 no picnic Nov 10 17:40:07 might aswell leave Nov 10 17:45:30 picnics can get really bad Nov 10 17:46:30 yeah... Nov 10 17:47:07 like that time when you screwed a goat Nov 10 17:47:46 i remember that :) Nov 10 17:48:09 i told him, stay away from funny looking mushrooms Nov 10 17:50:14 and, strictly speaking, life is no picnic, but picnics are part of life Nov 10 17:50:33 so you can just put on this picnic throusers http://www.8ballwebstore.com/ProductImages/womenswear/capri_jeans_pedalpushers/Thumb_9749_w_trumanshort.jpg and then all life will be picnic Nov 10 17:51:53 ok Nov 10 17:52:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzIrfA_t1Yk Nov 10 17:53:42 no no, much better this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjsh2j7W6Bo Nov 10 18:01:07 733then maybe not Nov 10 18:12:27 ok, image is building Nov 10 18:12:38 it'll take like 40 minutes Nov 10 18:12:39 :) Nov 10 18:14:54 maybe more Nov 10 18:14:58 don't overpromise Nov 10 18:15:00 :D Nov 10 18:17:09 i would like to thank iurgi at this point for getting so involved in the design of the new firmware. i think without him we would never have managed something this cool in such short time Nov 10 18:18:06 * iurgi slaps blogic in the face: "don't ever ashame me in public again" Nov 10 18:18:10 blogic: did they forced you to write that? Nov 10 18:18:36 yes Nov 10 18:18:51 * iurgi puts down the shotgun Nov 10 18:18:52 :) Nov 10 18:18:54 lol Nov 10 18:19:00 no, i actually mean it Nov 10 18:24:49 you meant I forced you? right Nov 10 18:24:50 lol Nov 10 18:25:57 blogic does all the dirty (and magical) hacking and I do all the political stuff and also force them (the team) to think 4 times each think, to end up doing what they want, but after considering Nov 10 18:26:01 :D Nov 10 18:26:54 we'll see when the crapp is out ;) Nov 10 18:31:13 in the meantime, i make beautiful noises with my mouthç Nov 10 18:31:29 please do Nov 10 18:31:35 sing a song for iurgi Nov 10 18:31:43 lol xD Nov 10 18:32:02 ah Nov 10 18:32:08 the toolchain is built Nov 10 18:32:09 :) Nov 10 18:32:13 thats like 40% done Nov 10 18:32:20 nice =D Nov 10 18:32:26 i know Nov 10 18:33:21 blogic: the banner has 1 or 2 whitespaces in the firstline Nov 10 18:33:32 I'll remove them Nov 10 18:33:58 i am living Nov 10 18:34:02 see you later Nov 10 18:34:08 no way Nov 10 18:34:12 you stay here with us Nov 10 18:34:19 for the release of your baby Nov 10 18:34:45 no, i go to the supermarket, then go home, then get drunk in 10 minutes, then probably get back here Nov 10 18:34:56 hmm sick dude! xD Nov 10 18:34:56 lol Nov 10 18:35:04 that's what traditional parents do Nov 10 18:35:10 nice:P Nov 10 18:35:19 I like the "getting drunk" part xD Nov 10 18:35:24 see you on the other side Nov 10 18:35:24 me too Nov 10 18:35:29 I like "then probably get back here" Nov 10 18:35:30 lo Nov 10 18:35:30 l Nov 10 18:35:34 cya in hell baby Nov 10 18:35:37 blogic: what about the codename? Nov 10 18:35:41 for this beta? Nov 10 18:35:45 that is it Nov 10 18:35:48 of course the codename should be Nov 10 18:35:50 beta2? Nov 10 18:35:54 beta2 Nov 10 18:35:57 yes Nov 10 18:35:57 lol Nov 10 18:36:00 xD Nov 10 18:36:03 that's the official name Nov 10 18:36:06 yes Nov 10 18:36:08 omg, you have the same imagination as a unicelular being Nov 10 18:36:11 how about... Nov 10 18:36:16 it is beta2 Nov 10 18:36:32 why call it "my golden banana" ? Nov 10 18:36:39 you should name it like "No Picknic No Beta2" xD Nov 10 18:36:40 lol Nov 10 18:36:40 the codename is "Loui Loui" Nov 10 18:36:52 beta2 then Nov 10 18:36:53 :D Nov 10 18:36:59 hehe Nov 10 18:37:20 seella Nov 10 18:44:09 btw blogic the new banner is bad :p Nov 10 18:44:19 i love it :) Nov 10 18:44:28 you'd be suprised Nov 10 18:44:31 :) Nov 10 18:45:36 yes your taste for banner... Nov 10 18:45:43 is a surprise Nov 10 18:46:58 Ilove it too Nov 10 18:48:12 o_O Nov 10 18:55:21 uh oh Nov 10 18:55:23 bad news Nov 10 18:55:35 the code won't ber eady today Nov 10 18:55:40 the sysadmin left Nov 10 18:55:42 :( Nov 10 18:56:27 nah, I think we can still make it available... Nov 10 18:56:29 wtf ? Nov 10 18:56:31 but not on fon.com Nov 10 18:56:35 ? Nov 10 18:56:37 will have to be in fonosfera.org Nov 10 18:56:41 fonosfera.org ? Nov 10 18:56:47 or the wiki ? Nov 10 18:56:48 yup Nov 10 18:56:52 wiki is in fon.com Nov 10 18:56:53 :( Nov 10 18:56:59 hy did he leave Nov 10 18:57:07 not acceptable :) Nov 10 18:57:08 but uploading to fonosfera takes soooooooooooooo long Nov 10 18:57:14 lol Nov 10 18:57:14 why? well, I'm not his boss Nov 10 18:57:15 lol Nov 10 18:57:30 hmmm Nov 10 18:57:38 pablo_bz left although I'm his boss Nov 10 18:57:42 what's going on here? Nov 10 18:57:42 :d Nov 10 18:58:43 so now we see the disadvantage of having no public svn ;) Nov 10 19:00:14 just put it on fonosfera.org xD Nov 10 19:01:26 In the worst trouble I could even provide some free space on my reseller, but I doubt if thats needed... Nov 10 19:01:39 *trouble should be scenario, nvm* Nov 10 19:04:30 we will have space somewhere Nov 10 19:05:01 iurgi, if you don't manage to upload it into the fonosfera I might have a way to put it in the wiki Nov 10 19:05:27 but that's dirty Nov 10 19:05:42 don't tell me Iurgi has no credentials to upload anything on *.fon.com ? :-) Nov 10 19:06:13 ok Nov 10 19:06:45 not much to upload, just a .torrent file Nov 10 19:06:51 ;) Nov 10 19:06:58 @ SkyNETbbs He probibly hasn't xD Nov 10 19:06:59 everything esle can come tomorrow Nov 10 19:07:02 Inouk can perhaps upload it to the french fonblog? Nov 10 19:07:14 that's a blog.fon.com/fr :-) Nov 10 19:07:31 alxhh_: not a bad option Nov 10 19:07:32 :) Nov 10 19:08:05 but the torrent is in beta2 :-) Nov 10 19:08:32 is tomorrow also a holiday in Spain? Nov 10 19:10:11 SkyNETbbs, no :( Nov 10 19:10:28 I would not have mind a day off Nov 10 19:10:32 :D Nov 10 19:11:25 no free days left to take? :-) Nov 10 19:12:30 lots actually but no time to take them :( Nov 10 19:13:46 * iurgi wonders: how could I have access to fon.com??? Nov 10 19:15:08 even i can upload files on *.fon.com... strange you cannot Nov 10 19:16:48 SkyNETbbs, good you willl up them then cuze I leave the office now :p Nov 10 19:16:59 (I'll be back later) Nov 10 19:17:13 sure dcc them to me :-) Nov 10 19:17:56 don't forget a md5 hash for on the wiki Nov 10 19:35:16 when available on download beta2? Nov 10 19:35:34 fonero: we're working on it Nov 10 19:36:07 its like close to the end Nov 10 19:36:14 not sure Nov 10 19:36:20 not toooo long Nov 10 19:36:20 :) Nov 10 19:37:08 i am buck Nov 10 19:37:11 i love you all Nov 10 19:37:41 found some booze? Nov 10 19:38:03 thanks Nov 10 19:38:07 sure, no crisis yet for me Nov 10 19:38:31 my primary mean of survival is still backed up Nov 10 19:41:30 xD Nov 10 20:01:43 iurgi: check you mail box Nov 10 20:02:18 ok Nov 10 20:02:27 ehr... mail from my mom Nov 10 20:02:30 how did you know that? Nov 10 20:02:54 i sent you a mail Nov 10 20:03:15 ... Nov 10 20:03:39 ehr... mail from my mom. How did you know that? Nov 10 20:04:21 ah, sorry Nov 10 20:04:33 * blogic starts to laugh at the joke Nov 10 20:04:35 :) Nov 10 20:04:47 * iurgi slaps blogic: enough Nov 10 20:04:48 :D Nov 10 20:05:09 sorry Nov 10 20:11:53 hehe lol xD Nov 10 20:19:00 how much longer do you think it'll take? =) not to hurry you up or something, just thinking about other work I still need to do xD Nov 10 20:19:33 hmmmm Nov 10 20:19:45 my fonera is ready... how about yours blogic? Nov 10 20:19:46 lol Nov 10 20:19:47 :D Nov 10 20:19:55 * iurgi has the fastest fonera in the world! Nov 10 20:20:02 xD Nov 10 20:21:18 ah mine just finished Nov 10 20:28:27 good answer to my question :P nvm xD Nov 10 20:30:06 well Theoxis, it basically meant: we're flashing our own foneras to see everything is in place and the image is valid Nov 10 20:33:22 * pablo_bz thinks iurgi learnt what he should not Nov 10 20:33:43 :) Nov 10 20:39:14 ah its like, we're there to make shure you guys dont fuck up your routers? =P Nov 10 20:39:38 hehe, well thats kind of you guys =) Nov 10 20:40:31 well, more like: we're here so WE don't fuck up your routers Nov 10 20:40:32 :D Nov 10 20:40:54 haha yeah, ^^ Nov 10 20:41:04 a usefull job =P Nov 10 20:46:25 hi Nov 10 20:46:51 hi Nov 10 20:49:20 * de_ma going idle till tomorrow morning Nov 10 20:49:48 de_ma, you should better wait ;) Nov 10 20:49:51 well, maybe not Nov 10 20:49:58 :) Nov 10 20:49:58 since flashing will take several minutes... Nov 10 20:49:59 :( Nov 10 20:50:33 I got all my foneras at my laboratory at home no foneras :) just chatting Nov 10 20:50:47 ah Nov 10 20:50:48 hehe Nov 10 20:50:48 ok Nov 10 20:50:58 maybe you wanna see the blog post Nov 10 20:50:58 hehe Nov 10 20:51:08 as an "antipasti" ;) Nov 10 20:54:13 mmmhhh antipasti Nov 10 20:55:21 hmmm Nov 10 20:55:24 tasteful Nov 10 20:58:01 oooh, cmon Nov 10 20:58:20 the entire italian cuisine is made of things to eat before meat Nov 10 20:58:27 ... Nov 10 20:58:42 * iurgi thinks pablo_bz knows VERY LITLE about italian cuisine Nov 10 20:59:18 and when the time for the time arrives, you are so full of those things that you don't have room even Nov 10 20:59:21 for the dessert Nov 10 20:59:29 ah Nov 10 20:59:43 iurgi: time to put up the feet i would say Nov 10 20:59:49 yup Nov 10 20:59:51 leaving home Nov 10 20:59:53 guys Nov 10 20:59:55 bye bye Nov 10 20:59:59 ok, cya Nov 10 20:59:59 antipasti is oi covered stuff *duck* Nov 10 21:00:06 had enough for 1 day Nov 10 21:00:11 indeed Nov 10 21:00:19 *yawn* Nov 10 21:00:24 so tired .... Nov 10 21:01:14 hmm Nov 10 21:04:28 stumbled Nov 10 21:04:39 hmm Nov 10 21:06:28 hmmm Nov 10 21:06:38 * iurgi is pissed of Nov 10 21:06:46 wordpress is a *shit* Nov 10 21:06:52 I lost part of my work :( Nov 10 21:06:57 I will rework it Nov 10 21:07:06 but well... meanwhile: Nov 10 21:07:10 http://blog.fonosfera.org/sylvester-is-out/ Nov 10 21:07:14 http://blog.fonosfera.org/sylvester-is-out/ Nov 10 21:07:37 O_O Nov 10 21:07:42 \o/ Nov 10 21:07:48 :) Nov 10 21:07:57 i am uploading the GPL tarball Nov 10 21:08:20 it'll take 30 minutes to the first server and then 10 minutes to its final destination Nov 10 21:09:09 I'm downloading ;) tnx Nov 10 21:11:18 * RHarmsen is downloading the files :D Nov 10 21:11:33 * iurgi wants to leave Nov 10 21:11:34 :D Nov 10 21:12:19 hm... haven't got time to flash it now... hope to be able to do it tomorrow evening Nov 10 21:12:21 nobody has any comments to do on the new looks and feel? Nov 10 21:12:24 poor designers... Nov 10 21:12:29 all that work for nothing Nov 10 21:12:41 hehe Nov 10 21:12:53 Well the images on the blog aren't clickable... so it is not that good ;) Nov 10 21:13:05 right click: view image Nov 10 21:13:06 :D Nov 10 21:13:43 impressiv Nov 10 21:14:21 kazwo: this is just a small thing of what it will be Nov 10 21:14:33 we need to move some things areound and make it easier to use Nov 10 21:14:37 we have nice plans in mind Nov 10 21:14:38 :D Nov 10 21:14:42 hehe Nov 10 21:14:46 iurgi: I think the new look and feel is great. and I love the balloons :-) Nov 10 21:14:48 this is only the beginning :) Nov 10 21:14:58 rwhitby: its a cat now :) Nov 10 21:15:00 rwhitby: ballons? Nov 10 21:15:07 doh! Nov 10 21:15:10 hahaha: someone got an image before time! Nov 10 21:15:11 hahaha Nov 10 21:15:14 :) Nov 10 21:15:22 rwhitby, take a look at the blog ;) Nov 10 21:15:24 * RHarmsen likes cats Nov 10 21:16:05 I don't like the balloons Nov 10 21:16:15 inouk, take a look at the blog ;) Nov 10 21:16:18 no balloons Nov 10 21:16:20 I hated them Nov 10 21:16:26 * iurgi thinks blogic's taste sucks Nov 10 21:16:32 the cat is much micer Nov 10 21:16:36 micer: lol Nov 10 21:16:40 its looks like a easy to use webinterface. not the normale hide and seek crap ^^ Nov 10 21:16:51 kazwo, indeed Nov 10 21:16:57 the drawback: it's slower Nov 10 21:17:04 but we will work on making it fast enough Nov 10 21:17:16 the webif looks nice (from images) Nov 10 21:17:43 raah again a DNS problem I can't load blog.fonosfera.org Nov 10 21:18:04 lol Nov 10 21:18:29 iurgi, you ride of the balloon \o/ Nov 10 21:18:31 Well, developers: we have a nice goodie for you guys for the next release Nov 10 21:18:37 you will love the web interface Nov 10 21:18:38 ;) Nov 10 21:19:34 hehe Nov 10 21:19:36 :) Nov 10 21:19:41 it is a proper feature Nov 10 21:19:43 :) Nov 10 21:19:54 not like the made up marketing stuff :) Nov 10 21:20:06 yeah Nov 10 21:20:12 a real good one Nov 10 21:21:21 * iurgi is leaving: enjoy the new image and remember it's a beta, it has many bugs Nov 10 21:21:29 we will share them with you tomorrow Nov 10 21:21:43 I had put them all in the blog post, but it disappeared :( Nov 10 21:21:49 I'll write it again tomorrow Nov 10 21:21:50 ciao Nov 10 21:24:46 fonosfera(1): Sylvester is out!. Nov 10 21:27:50 someone can give the ip of blog.fonosfera.org? Nov 10 21:27:50 jazztel DNS are again going crazy :/ Nov 10 21:28:03 (67.192.249.56 Nov 10 21:28:05 67.192.249.56 Nov 10 21:28:49 hi Nov 10 21:28:52 lo Nov 10 21:29:27 i'm back from the cinéma Nov 10 21:29:46 bond ? Nov 10 21:30:01 i've see it still before Nov 10 21:30:04 a french film Nov 10 21:30:10 called mesrin Nov 10 21:30:29 thx blogic! Nov 10 21:30:52 :) Nov 10 21:30:57 OMG I LOVE YOU GUYS xD Nov 10 21:31:02 no worries Nov 10 21:31:06 Gonna install right ahead xD Nov 10 21:31:09 cool Nov 10 21:31:13 something's wrong can't even ping it 0_o Nov 10 21:31:18 and let me know what you think Nov 10 21:31:28 i check the wiki page for the new firmware but i don't see it Nov 10 21:31:47 blog.fonosfera.org Nov 10 21:31:55 is it 4.1mb? thats all? =) Nov 10 21:32:00 yes :) Nov 10 21:32:04 nice :D Nov 10 21:32:12 tks man Nov 10 21:32:21 you have about 2 MB free for plugins Nov 10 21:32:28 but well, you can atatch usb discs :) Nov 10 21:34:21 i upgrade right now !!!! ^^ Nov 10 21:36:01 now Nov 10 21:36:14 whehehe Nov 10 21:37:10 it takes about 20 min? Nov 10 21:37:51 i see the screenshot on the blog whaouuu so beautiful!!! nice Nov 10 22:13:26 i don't understand: with the new firmware the fonera 2.0 has only 2mb free. How do the new plugins fit in this very poor memory? Nov 10 22:13:40 for example the only torrent client Nov 10 22:15:02 well Nov 10 22:15:08 torrewnt is only 260k Nov 10 22:15:27 but we are working on a method to use a usb stick for plugins Nov 10 22:15:45 and also there are discussions about removing the failsafe image Nov 10 22:15:55 but i am the only one in favour of the latter Nov 10 22:16:12 however, you can remove the failsafe image by hand before flashing the image Nov 10 22:16:17 but the torrent client will be a modified version of azureus? Nov 10 22:16:20 this needs to be done in redboot however Nov 10 22:16:29 garret88: it is written in c Nov 10 22:16:34 yes Nov 10 22:16:44 i am actually testing it this very moment Nov 10 22:16:59 downloading 4 debian images in parallel Nov 10 22:17:17 15% memory 0% cpu :) Nov 10 22:17:21 sorry blogic i don't understand if it is a modified version of azureus as somewhere i found Nov 10 22:17:35 no Nov 10 22:17:42 it is a rewrite in c Nov 10 22:17:46 not modified Nov 10 22:17:53 its like the azureus embedded version Nov 10 22:18:12 garret88: show me the link of what you found and i will tell you if it is what we are using Nov 10 22:18:34 blogic: but it will have the obfuscation protocol, dht and other typical features of torrents client? Nov 10 22:19:12 i assume so Nov 10 22:19:15 let me check Nov 10 22:19:40 what is dht ? Nov 10 22:19:47 and "other typical features of torrents client Nov 10 22:19:48 " Nov 10 22:20:03 i am not a torrent guy to be honest Nov 10 22:20:49 blogic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table Nov 10 22:21:29 blogic: but for me it's very important Nov 10 22:21:33 ok Nov 10 22:21:34 the obfuscation protocol Nov 10 22:21:39 why ? Nov 10 22:21:44 because i have a very terrible isp Nov 10 22:21:49 ok Nov 10 22:21:50 that filter my traffic Nov 10 22:22:42 is there blogic :P ? Nov 10 22:23:25 dunno Nov 10 22:23:35 i can tell you the next few days Nov 10 22:23:40 i will ask the developers Nov 10 22:23:56 blogic: but how do you have the torrent client? Nov 10 22:24:02 are you a betatester? Nov 10 22:24:25 no idea Nov 10 22:24:32 i just have code Nov 10 22:24:34 :) Nov 10 22:24:43 and i am making it work with the fonera Nov 10 22:24:47 ask iurgi about the rest Nov 10 22:24:59 and wait a few days until we are ready Nov 10 22:26:14 so in few days will be released the client torrent plugin? Nov 10 22:27:01 it will be release when i am ready Nov 10 22:27:10 sorry, that is all i will say Nov 10 22:27:46 ok blogic Nov 10 22:28:05 blogic: but you control the client through the web interface or only through ssh ? Nov 10 22:28:05 sorry Nov 10 22:28:14 stupid question Nov 10 22:28:19 no it's ok blogic, you are great ;) Nov 10 22:28:26 you have to make light signal with your hands Nov 10 22:30:23 no Nov 10 22:30:29 i am working on the luci pages Nov 10 22:30:55 ah ok, i mean that Nov 10 22:33:16 thanks blogic Nov 10 22:33:28 sure Nov 10 22:37:51 ath2---Mode:Managed.......nice! ;) Nov 10 22:38:18 monossido: its still buggy Nov 10 22:38:24 we are working on a fix Nov 10 22:38:37 sometimes it has problems finding the right channel Nov 10 22:38:42 and you need to reboot Nov 10 22:38:55 but that will be fixed in the final Nov 10 22:38:56 yes...i reboot and all ok Nov 10 22:39:05 yep Nov 10 22:39:06 ok perfect Nov 10 22:39:25 this is a minor bug, we sort of know where it comes from, just had no time for beta2 Nov 10 22:39:32 so next release will work Nov 10 22:39:34 :) Nov 10 22:39:40 nice that you found it :) Nov 10 22:39:46 i told no one about it :) Nov 10 22:39:53 no problem for me Nov 10 22:39:55 ahah :) Nov 10 22:42:18 i think that also freewlan has this bug Nov 10 22:42:39 monossido: well, we can fix it :) Nov 10 22:43:07 ;) Nov 10 22:49:18 blogic and about the amule client :P ? Nov 10 22:50:14 what is the defaut password for root in web interface? Nov 10 22:51:25 admin Nov 10 22:51:41 thank you Nov 10 22:52:08 np Nov 10 22:52:31 yes Nov 10 22:52:40 i was thinking of removing the user field Nov 10 22:52:45 it is kind of useless Nov 10 22:56:06 i agree Nov 10 23:26:04 garret888, no amule client Nov 10 23:27:56 iurgi: but in the next releases is there a hope to see it? Nov 10 23:28:16 I'm back and my dns work \o/ Nov 10 23:29:15 garret88, from what I understand it consume lots of ressources Nov 10 23:30:16 OK I'll flash tomorrow Nov 10 23:30:18 night Nov 10 23:30:39 thanks for bringing up this new beta ! Nov 10 23:42:26 garret888, dunno, but very unlikely Nov 10 23:42:37 maybe someone does it... but I don't think it will work smoothly Nov 11 00:09:26 lua is crazy Nov 11 00:09:29 i like it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 11 02:59:57 2008