**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 13 02:59:57 2008
Nov 13 06:04:44 <kazwo> moin
Nov 13 06:11:29 <kazwo> all sleeping ? :D
Nov 13 06:12:24 * kazwo makes coffee
Nov 13 08:36:01 <dema> Ciao !
Nov 13 08:40:20 <kazwo> eyo
Nov 13 08:45:04 <kazwo> Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way, oh, what fun it is to run in a one-horse open sleigh. Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way, oh, what fun it is to run in a one-horse open sleigh.
Nov 13 08:47:18 <dema> troubles changing wan setting from web interface
Nov 13 08:50:06 <RHarmsen> kazwo: Here we first have "Sinterklaas"... he will arive this saturday
Nov 13 08:50:23 <RHarmsen> X-Mas is when he leaves on 5/6 December
Nov 13 08:50:50 * RHarmsen hates the sinterklaas songs on the radio
Nov 13 08:53:07 <kazwo> dont forget to put the shoes in front of the fireplace
Nov 13 08:54:29 <RHarmsen> kazwo: I don't thing ZwartePiet or Sinterklaas will come along to put something in
Nov 13 08:56:29 <kazwo> RHarmsen: no cakes, sweets or toys? :(
Nov 13 09:03:39 <kazwo> maybe sint piter comes? kerstman?
Nov 13 09:06:08 <RHarmsen> Well they both come... but nothing will be put in my shoes ;)
Nov 13 09:06:44 <RHarmsen> I already got some bags of sweets... Peternoten!!!...
Nov 13 09:06:52 <RHarmsen> Peternoten = Pepernoten
Nov 13 09:07:26 <RHarmsen> Or actually KruidNoten... http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruidnoot
Nov 13 09:08:28 <RHarmsen> But theyse guys will arrive by boat this saturday : http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afbeelding:Sint-intocht-boot.jpg
Nov 13 09:08:43 <RHarmsen> The candy is already in shops for about a month or so
Nov 13 09:08:56 <kazwo> :D
Nov 13 09:09:41 <RHarmsen> It will be on television for about 2 hours
Nov 13 09:09:55 <RHarmsen> as always something goes "wrong" :P
Nov 13 09:09:56 <kazwo> the boad thingy looks funny :D
Nov 13 09:10:06 <RHarmsen> well this is not the official
Nov 13 09:10:12 <RHarmsen> this is a "helper"
Nov 13 09:11:10 <kazwo> a good or bad one?
Nov 13 09:12:07 <RHarmsen> well this is the "real" sinterklaas: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afbeelding:Sinterklaas_2007.jpg
Nov 13 09:12:24 <RHarmsen> he is a few hundred years old (acording the storys)
Nov 13 09:12:44 <RHarmsen> this is the "real" boat he uses to come from spain: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Kampen_sinterklaas_pakjesboot12.jpg
Nov 13 09:13:11 <iurgi> he came from spain
Nov 13 09:13:21 <iurgi> according to the tales
Nov 13 09:13:33 <iurgi> he was probably having a nice warm winter there
Nov 13 09:13:40 <RHarmsen> I guess
Nov 13 09:13:53 <RHarmsen> he lived in 280-352
Nov 13 09:14:28 <RHarmsen> He came with presents from spain
Nov 13 09:14:33 <RHarmsen> just like FON :P
Nov 13 09:14:47 <iurgi> lol
Nov 13 09:15:44 <Inouk> In fail safe mode its not possible to connect thru ssh?
Nov 13 09:16:23 <iurgi> no+
Nov 13 09:16:24 <iurgi> no
Nov 13 09:18:34 <skynetbbs> which is incorrect....sint nicolaus was born & worked in turkey :-)
Nov 13 09:18:55 <skynetbbs> failsafe  : only redboot
Nov 13 09:19:37 <skynetbbs> http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/La_Fonera%2B#FON_ATTENTION_PLEASE_CONNECT
Nov 13 09:19:52 <skynetbbs> but I guess webupload won't work and only redboot remains?
Nov 13 09:20:28 <dema> Ok we have a problem :)
Nov 13 09:20:45 <dema> cannot get back to dhcp wan connection type
Nov 13 09:21:36 <dema> not via luci not via console with uci set fon.wan.mode=dhcp
Nov 13 09:21:54 <skynetbbs> yes I have thesame problem...is your "power led" also orange like mine?
Nov 13 09:22:05 <skynetbbs> perhaps "reset" button works for you?
Nov 13 09:22:15 <dema> i will try
Nov 13 09:22:15 <kazwo> maybe over 169.254.255.1 to the webinterface?
Nov 13 09:22:16 <skynetbbs> mine stays in umts mode...yours in wifi?
Nov 13 09:22:40 <dema> yep deeper investigations further now standing by for one hous
Nov 13 09:22:44 <dema>  hour
Nov 13 09:22:44 <skynetbbs> but if your device is in "fon_attention_..." then reset button won't work I think...
Nov 13 09:22:51 <Inouk> skynetbbs, yes with F2 web upload wont work in failsafe
Nov 13 09:23:03 <skynetbbs> but perhaps iurgi/co can explain how to clean jffs via redboot?
Nov 13 09:23:57 <Inouk> fis init -f ?
Nov 13 09:24:06 <Inouk> or something like that
Nov 13 09:25:08 <Inouk> yes >fis init -f
Nov 13 09:25:20 <Inouk> clean the partition table I think
Nov 13 09:26:32 <Inouk> I put it in the wiki cuze someone had to use it
Nov 13 09:26:50 <Inouk> if not >fis creat image would not work
Nov 13 09:27:15 <skynetbbs> that deletes everything? he will need to upload the loader.bin and the image.bin?
Nov 13 09:27:16 <Inouk> a part of memory was not available to write on
Nov 13 09:27:31 <Inouk> skynetbbs, yes
Nov 13 11:08:10 <monossido> From mailing list:"but as soon as you connect a "active powered usb2" hub to your Fonera2 you don't need to use a power supply on your fonera 2 anymore..."
Nov 13 11:08:35 <monossido> this is a very interesting thing if it is true ;)
Nov 13 11:09:37 <monossido> i'm trying... power--->hub--->miniusb--->usb---fonera
Nov 13 11:09:50 <monossido> i don't see any led turn on :)
Nov 13 11:14:33 <monossido> i have a manhattan usb 2.0 hub with 5v/1A power supply
Nov 13 11:31:37 <kazwo> monossido: depending on the usb hub. if tested it with two different hubs. the first power the fon2 and the second not
Nov 13 11:32:10 <kazwo> -if +i have
Nov 13 11:43:58 <skynetbbs> hi...will try with a TRUST hub when @home & @time... "sint nicolaus" is coming this evening with new printer :-)
Nov 13 11:44:14 <skynetbbs> I tested successfully with a SWEEX hub (very handy equipment all usb ports can be turned
Nov 13 11:44:49 <skynetbbs> http://www.sweex.com/producten.php?sectie=3&subsectie=3&item=79&artikel=752&detail=s
Nov 13 11:45:25 <monossido1> sky...i'm trying with my usb hub powered to turn on the fonera without fonera's power supply
Nov 13 11:45:36 <monossido1> the fonera stay turned off
Nov 13 11:45:39 <skynetbbs> dunno about mini usb...according to specs it allows "power".... while with firewire the 4 pin version was unpowered as far as i remembered
Nov 13 11:46:06 <monossido1> mmm
Nov 13 11:46:50 <skynetbbs> so your usb hub does not provide power to it's miniusb side...which could be "normal"...  eg if you connect 2 self-powered usb hubs to each other (hence you don't have a 7 port...and you don't have enough with 4 ports... think about the fireworks that might cause :-)
Nov 13 11:47:18 <skynetbbs> and like kazwo said...he tested 2 usb hubs...one worked; one didn't...
Nov 13 11:47:25 <skynetbbs> i'll try a 2nd usb hub this evening.....
Nov 13 11:48:16 <skynetbbs> i'm even using the powersupply of the 2nd usb hub on this usb hub... couldn't directly find the sweex one in my box of adaptors directly .... it's a mess...all those power cables :-)
Nov 13 11:49:55 <monossido1> how can i check if my mini usb is poweered?
Nov 13 11:49:57 <monossido1> with a tester?!
Nov 13 11:50:25 <skynetbbs> with the led going green on your fonera2 :-)
Nov 13 11:50:31 <skynetbbs> powerled
Nov 13 11:50:53 <monossido1> lol...it doesn't :D
Nov 13 11:51:05 <skynetbbs> then it's considered tested & failed... get a new hub... :-)
Nov 13 11:51:17 <monossido1> bad news for me...i bought it yesterday
Nov 13 11:51:21 <skynetbbs> they sell at 5-10 euro in most shops
Nov 13 11:51:40 <skynetbbs> hopefully no big investment?
Nov 13 11:51:54 <blogic> waitr
Nov 13 11:51:58 <monossido1> y
Nov 13 11:52:13 <blogic> the hub might not power up until there is a device attached
Nov 13 11:52:29 <blogic> the tester wont draw enough charge to activate the power controller
Nov 13 11:52:36 <blogic> i have seen that happen before
Nov 13 11:52:44 <monossido1> no devices attached for me
Nov 13 11:53:36 <skynetbbs> ah :-)
Nov 13 11:53:49 <skynetbbs> usb memory stick attached on mine...
Nov 13 11:54:05 <skynetbbs> and printer...
Nov 13 11:54:26 <skynetbbs> both run fine without a powered usb hub but nevertheless :-)
Nov 13 11:54:41 <skynetbbs> the webcam needed power
Nov 13 12:07:27 <macpaul> hum, the pre-build firmware of beta2 2.1.0.2 has GUI rendering problem on IE6. But displayed correctly on firefox. I guess it is a compatibility problem of rendering CSS file?
Nov 13 12:14:31 <blogic> yes
Nov 13 12:14:40 <blogic> we have a html guy working on IE
Nov 13 12:38:34 <RHarmsen> are they going to change IE for this :P
Nov 13 12:40:26 <xMff> re
Nov 13 12:41:17 <kazwo> wb
Nov 13 12:51:52 <monossido1> anyone have tested bluetooth?
Nov 13 12:52:26 <kazwo> skynetbbs tested it
Nov 13 12:52:27 <monossido1>  i have installed bluez lib and utils...and kmod-bluetooth... hcitool dev say that there aren't bluetooth devices attached
Nov 13 13:01:29 <monossido1> http://fonosfera.org/pipermail/development/2008-November/000069.html i have the same errors with that pkg
Nov 13 13:04:01 <monossido1> with this http://bastel.dd19.de/~alx/fonera-2.0/packages/mips/kmod-bluetooth_2.6.26.2-fonera-1_mips.ipk no errors but it doesn't work
Nov 13 13:09:58 <rwhitby> monossido1: does /proc/bus/usb/devices show the bluetooth dongle?
Nov 13 15:24:01 <alxhh_> monossido: thats for the old beta
Nov 13 15:24:09 <alxhh_> havend built a new set
Nov 13 15:25:36 <monossido> are you talking about bluetooth?
Nov 13 15:26:17 <monossido> ah k it is your repo :)
Nov 13 15:35:13 <Inouk> any one in France with a french mobile phone that would test something?
Nov 13 15:39:13 <pm2036> Inouk: no sorry...
Nov 13 15:41:36 <Inouk> shit I was thinking about you :-(
Nov 13 15:42:37 <blogic> whehehe
Nov 13 15:42:44 <blogic> fon2.0 boot sin under 2 minutes now
Nov 13 15:42:58 <blogic> with a webcam, printer attached and torrent enbaled
Nov 13 15:42:59 <blogic> :)
Nov 13 15:43:03 <blogic> and a usb disc attached
Nov 13 15:43:19 <blogic> until all services are up and the led goes to green took 1:57
Nov 13 15:43:26 <blogic> lua is fast, really fast
Nov 13 15:43:33 <blogic> uci is good, really good
Nov 13 15:43:58 * blogic points at alxhh_, uci is his brainfart
Nov 13 15:44:07 <xMff> blogic: btw, do you distribute precompiled lua executables?
Nov 13 15:44:09 <pm2036> Inouk: I haven't got data plan and haven't got usb hdspa modem.. :(
Nov 13 15:44:14 <xMff> haven't time to look at the sources yet
Nov 13 15:44:19 <blogic> yes
Nov 13 15:44:20 <blogic> well
Nov 13 15:44:23 <blogic> sdk is public
Nov 13 15:44:30 <blogic> image uses precompiled f00
Nov 13 15:44:36 <xMff> good
Nov 13 15:44:44 <xMff> speedboost :)
Nov 13 15:44:45 <blogic> stupid question
Nov 13 15:44:57 <blogic> :)
Nov 13 15:45:12 <xMff> nah... you never know :P
Nov 13 15:45:14 <blogic> xMff: we have a start-stop-daemon implementation in ua now
Nov 13 15:45:32 <xMff> nice, finally
Nov 13 15:45:33 <blogic> local svc = require("luci.fon.service")
Nov 13 15:45:45 <Inouk> pm2036, no no the test is for neuf not the F2
Nov 13 15:45:47 <blogic> local ftp = svc.Service("ftp")
Nov 13 15:45:53 <blogic> ftp:start()
Nov 13 15:45:58 <blogic> ftp:status()
Nov 13 15:45:59 <blogic> :)
Nov 13 15:46:13 <xMff> pretty interface :)
Nov 13 15:46:17 <blogic> lol
Nov 13 15:46:20 <pm2036> Inouk: oups sorry! I don't understand your question ;) ask me on skype :)
Nov 13 15:47:01 <xMff> does it support inter-service dependencies?
Nov 13 15:47:38 <blogic> not yet
Nov 13 15:47:52 <blogic> but i am adding option setuid,gid
Nov 13 15:47:59 <xMff> not that important anyway but a nice to have feature
Nov 13 15:48:00 <blogic> option reload HUP
Nov 13 15:48:08 <blogic> and i wanna add instances
Nov 13 15:48:23 <blogic> so you can create more than one instance and name them
Nov 13 15:49:15 <xMff> sounds good
Nov 13 15:49:37 <xMff> I like the status part, finally a clean way to query service state
Nov 13 15:50:46 <blogic> yep
Nov 13 15:50:53 <iurgi> I wonder how lua can check the statys of the services in a generic way
Nov 13 15:50:54 <blogic> we will make it extendable
Nov 13 15:51:02 <blogic> iurgi: posix
Nov 13 15:51:03 <iurgi> or is status only checking whether the pid is up'
Nov 13 15:51:08 <blogic> yes
Nov 13 15:51:13 <blogic> checks if pid is alive
Nov 13 15:51:34 <iurgi> ok
Nov 13 15:53:12 <xMff> vie kill 0 or /proc/pid ?
Nov 13 15:53:50 <iurgi> ps aux|grep $pid
Nov 13 15:53:51 <iurgi> lol
Nov 13 15:54:37 <blogic> /proc/pid
Nov 13 15:55:14 <xMff> ah okay
Nov 13 16:52:18 <Theoxis> Hi guys!
Nov 13 16:52:28 <blogic> lo
Nov 13 16:52:38 <Theoxis> Are there going to be much changes in the firmware? else I would like to translate it to dutch ;)
Nov 13 16:52:43 <Theoxis> If possible
Nov 13 19:13:09 <iurgi> lo
Nov 13 19:13:52 <iurgi> Theoxis: we will have transaltion files soon, be patient ;)
Nov 13 19:15:56 <merlin2> hehe, just wanting to help ^^
Nov 13 19:33:52 <iurgi> merlin2: Iknow,andit's appreciated ;)
Nov 13 19:34:09 <iurgi> but don't worry, as soon as we have something to translate, you'll know :D
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