**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 27 02:59:57 2008 Nov 27 09:16:28 gooooooooooooooooooood moring ppl Nov 27 09:28:10 lo Nov 27 09:31:32 lo Nov 27 09:33:02 \o/ Nov 27 09:55:02 somebody wants to draw something with CAD software? Nov 27 09:56:26 not me Nov 27 10:07:41 wich CAD software? Nov 27 10:11:50 AutoCAD? xpaint? Nov 27 10:20:17 nemetschek allplan Nov 27 11:30:36 humm Nov 27 11:31:28 i guess the equivalent fashionable in spanish engineering is Cype Nov 27 11:32:22 When I tried to connect to the internet via Fonera2 (wireless; Myplace) I had no internet. I received a screen with Fonlogo and "Fon1 webserver 5". Any idea why? Connecting directly to the internet gave no issues. Nov 27 11:34:16 yes Nov 27 11:34:22 close your browser and open it again Nov 27 11:34:44 you try to connect to the internet throught the fonera, at least once befor it had completely booted Nov 27 11:34:57 in this situation, the fonera gives fake IPs for any domain you request Nov 27 11:35:10 I tried refreshing and renewing ip's. Nov 27 11:35:16 so, once the fonera was up and running, your browser had already this 'wrong' IP cached Nov 27 11:35:26 this IP is one of FON's IPs Nov 27 11:35:30 that's why you get that page Nov 27 11:35:31 I had to go, rebooting everything solved the issue when I came back later Nov 27 11:35:48 ok, if it happens again, closing the browser should be enough Nov 27 11:36:16 well, msn and VPN did not work either Nov 27 11:36:30 hmmmm Nov 27 11:36:35 that's more weird Nov 27 11:36:39 :? Nov 27 11:37:10 So I grabbed a cable and connected directly to my router Nov 27 11:37:30 that worked, so it had to be something with the Fonera2.0 Nov 27 11:38:18 I'll keep an eye on it. Any logging I can grab? Nov 27 11:38:34 hmmmm Nov 27 11:38:37 not that I can think of Nov 27 11:38:41 just, if it happens again Nov 27 11:38:48 try as many things as you can Nov 27 11:39:01 so you can give a detailed description of the symptoms Nov 27 11:39:15 connect to the fonera with ssh, try to ping the internet from there Nov 27 11:39:19 do an ifconfig Nov 27 11:39:24 ping your router etc etc Nov 27 11:39:25 please Nov 27 11:39:36 ok, I will. For the record: all lights on the Fonera were green Nov 27 11:39:47 hmmm Nov 27 11:39:55 are you sure it was not a problem on your laptop? Nov 27 11:40:51 I connected "by accident" on another wifi point which gave me msn. I closed it and connected to "MyPlace" Nov 27 11:41:30 I then connected the ethernetcable Nov 27 11:42:45 dns flush? Nov 27 11:44:08 cmd: ipconfig /flushdns Nov 27 11:44:23 that was my first impression as well... Nov 27 11:45:21 * pablo_bz blushes Nov 27 11:45:53 or even an ARP problem Nov 27 11:46:06 windows doesn't flush the ARP table when changing from one signal to another Nov 27 11:46:12 it's crappy Nov 27 11:46:49 please, touch more gentle there Nov 27 11:46:55 so if you connected to another wifi other thn your MyPlace, where the gateway/dns server was also "192.168.10.1" or the IP your MyPlace has... Nov 27 11:47:05 then windows doesn't work until the ARP table times out Nov 27 11:58:53 train: 130km/h - umts: 3,6mbit. fon spot: running! :P Nov 27 12:01:09 cool! Nov 27 12:01:10 :D Nov 27 12:05:16 moving out of the umts service, bye ^^ Nov 27 12:06:48 bye Nov 27 12:10:06 130 km/h? buah Nov 27 12:53:45 130 km/h is the normal regional rail speed Nov 27 12:54:36 ... if no sheeps are on the rails Nov 27 12:54:45 here it is 80 Nov 27 12:55:00 if you have luck and the machine is electrical Nov 27 12:55:05 if it is diesel, perhaps 50 Nov 27 12:55:13 xMff: hrhrhr! Nov 27 12:55:25 going from valladolid to salamanca, 90 km in 2 hours Nov 27 12:55:41 calculate. Nov 27 12:58:13 munic - rosenheim: 60km; 45min with 5 stops between Nov 27 12:59:07 *munich Nov 27 12:59:34 Bilbao - San sebastian: 99Km, 2h20 Nov 27 12:59:36 lol Nov 27 13:01:02 pablo_bz: that is spain :) here in germany we have nuclear powered trains :) Nov 27 13:01:23 valladolid-madrid, 205 km, 61 min with 1 stop in between Nov 27 13:02:31 AVE Class 102, canadian-spanish Talgo-Bombardier Nov 27 13:02:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVE_Class_102 Nov 27 13:03:15 but the Siemens Velaro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVE_Class_103 is of course, better Nov 27 13:03:43 blogic: in germany you have a ridiculous speed limitation for TGV's :P Nov 27 13:03:56 blogic: you don't do for cars and you do for trains Nov 27 13:05:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVE_Class_103 Nov 27 13:06:10 "On 15 July 2006 a train achieved a top speed of 403.7 km/h between Guadalajara and Calatayud on the Madrid—Zaragoza line. This is a Spanish record for railed vehicles and a world record for unmodified commercial service trainsets" Nov 27 13:06:24 see? no rules here Nov 27 13:06:36 :) Nov 27 13:07:19 but 99% of the (other) trains run around 90km/h Nov 27 13:08:01 our rail service is only surpassed in filthiness by the british one Nov 27 13:09:26 well, except for the faact that the british is always on time and more frequent, in general... Nov 27 13:12:24 the british is _never_ on time. you have been very lucky in your trips Nov 27 13:14:49 yeah, sure Nov 27 13:14:51 :) Nov 27 13:15:26 they even kill people Nov 27 13:15:31 from time to time Nov 27 13:21:48 pablo_bz: on the train ? Nov 27 13:21:50 :) Nov 27 13:21:57 and little cats aswell ? Nov 27 13:32:14 not the small cats :( Nov 27 14:15:22 hi Nov 27 14:15:35 hello Nov 27 14:21:48 Is there already a date for the publication of the Bta3? Nov 27 14:24:10 sorry, can't help you Nov 27 14:36:20 not yet Nov 27 14:36:22 sorry Nov 27 14:36:27 ops he left Nov 27 14:37:20 put that in the topic ^^ Nov 27 14:47:16 iurgi: it indeed was a flushdns issue. When connecting vpn right after switching wireless networks, I had the same issue. So a Microsoft issue, not a Fonero issue.... Nov 27 14:52:23 ok Nov 27 14:52:24 :) Nov 27 14:52:29 thanks for clarifying Nov 27 14:57:48 hello everyone Nov 27 14:58:20 hi Nov 27 14:58:40 i've just a little question Nov 27 14:59:19 is the la fonera 2.0 developer edition now available in fon shop Nov 27 15:00:35 the same in terms of hardware specs compared to the final version that will ship next Nov 27 15:03:00 yes Nov 27 15:03:17 well, it might be that we will use a different flash chip Nov 27 15:03:27 a bit faster one Nov 27 15:03:41 but that shouldn't be a problem if you don't plan to be flashing it very often Nov 27 15:04:55 thank you Nov 27 15:06:36 my doubt was that the final fonera 2.0 could have a different wi-fi chip ex. 802.11n (or wi-max or so) Nov 27 15:07:53 i'd like to get one la fonera 2.0 dev ed. from italian shop to develop apps for it Nov 27 15:08:36 but i want to get a "stable" version in terms of hardware that's it Nov 27 15:17:14 so, the final la fonera 2.0 will still be the same as a Fonera+ in terms of WiFi router specs ??? Nov 27 15:22:11 yes Nov 27 15:22:16 same chipset Nov 27 15:22:52 great Nov 27 15:23:23 but not same price i think Nov 27 15:23:33 hmmm Nov 27 15:23:46 probably the developer edition is a bit cheaper Nov 27 15:24:13 since it's not 100% feature rich out of the box and needs manual upgrade to add the latest features Nov 27 15:24:32 plus we want developers to feel atracted by the device and not think it's too expensive Nov 27 15:25:00 that's fantastic Nov 27 15:25:21 thank you very much iurgi Nov 27 15:25:35 no prob Nov 27 15:25:38 you're welcome Nov 27 15:25:42 if you decide to get one Nov 27 15:25:46 and want to develop for it Nov 27 15:25:51 i hope i will soon come back here as a fon developer Nov 27 15:25:52 there's 2 things you need to know Nov 27 15:26:03 1) you can come here as a fon developer :P Nov 27 15:26:18 2) we're releasing a very nice new firmware in the coming days... XD Nov 27 15:26:58 i will have to flash it into my brand new router? Nov 27 15:28:33 it would be fun Nov 27 15:28:41 see you soon Nov 27 15:32:13 iurgi: coming days? :-) Nov 27 15:32:46 voorstad: yes, don't know how many Nov 27 15:32:49 but they're coming Nov 27 15:32:50 lol Nov 27 15:32:53 hehe Nov 27 15:34:30 btw, will the fon2200 be opened as well? 7.2r3 cannot be accessed with SSH? Nov 27 15:35:53 maybe... it's one of the ideas we hav ein mind Nov 27 15:35:56 not decided yet Nov 27 15:36:25 I'd like to wds / bridge my Fonero2.0 with my old one Nov 27 22:58:37 bonjour freechelmi Nov 27 22:58:47 salut vtx_fr_ Nov 27 22:59:00 tu viens aux nouvelles ? Nov 27 22:59:05 marrant de parler français ici :-) Nov 27 22:59:11 ouais Nov 27 22:59:14 Beh je suis sur ce chan depuis le debut Nov 27 22:59:19 ok Nov 27 22:59:22 je lis assidument oui Nov 27 22:59:38 intéressant alors ? Nov 27 22:59:39 je cause rarement ... Nov 27 22:59:48 tres interressant Nov 27 22:59:54 ok Nov 27 23:00:00 enfin des routeurs USB pas cher voire performant Nov 27 23:00:08 ça va changer pas mal de chose Nov 27 23:00:11 effectivement Nov 27 23:00:24 j'attends noel avec impatience ... Nov 27 23:00:28 pour l'instant l'utilisation de l'USB sur un routeur Nov 27 23:00:30 pour ma F2 Nov 27 23:00:40 etait vraiment confidentiel Nov 27 23:00:46 tu vas en acheter une ? Nov 27 23:01:01 ben je pense effectivement craquer Nov 27 23:01:08 je n'ai pas bien compris s'ils voulaient en offrir a certains developpeurs ? Nov 27 23:01:15 à cause de ftp torrent et samba Nov 27 23:01:21 ce qui m'inquiète c'est si le hardware change Nov 27 23:01:34 le but aussi est de pouvoir proposer des plugin , Notamment Wifidog de notre coté Nov 27 23:01:38 pourquoi il changerait ? Nov 27 23:01:47 ce n'ets pas une version final Nov 27 23:01:59 ah version développeurs Nov 27 23:02:00 cette version devait avoir moins de memoire Nov 27 23:02:06 au final elle en as autant que la final Nov 27 23:02:17 Donc la final devrait etre tres proche Nov 27 23:02:41 quel interet de changer de materiel ? Nov 27 23:03:31 je pense qu'ils gardent l'appellation beta pour mettre en garde les end users ... Nov 27 23:03:36 non ? Nov 27 23:03:58 Oui surement Nov 27 23:04:08 ce qui m'étonnes c'est qu'ils disaient n'en avoir produit que 1000 Nov 27 23:04:16 mais on dirait qu'ils en ont vendus beaucoup plus Nov 27 23:04:19 en tout cas j'aimerais pouvoir coinccer dessus openswan sans reflasher en openwrt Nov 27 23:05:38 où as-tu vu l'éventualité d'un don à certains devs ? Nov 27 23:06:06 c martin qui en parlais sur son blog Nov 27 23:06:34 a mon avis il n'y a que peu d'interet a garder e firmware FON Nov 27 23:06:44 un seul Nov 27 23:06:45 a moins qu'il soit vraiment entierement compatible avec KK Nov 27 23:07:02 ce qui n'est pas forcément gagné Nov 27 23:07:02 l'accès aux foneras Nov 27 23:07:08 KK ? Nov 27 23:07:10 ils vont gérer leur propre branche Nov 27 23:07:16 kamiKaze Nov 27 23:07:19 ah Nov 27 23:07:23 Tu l'utilises vraiment cet accès ? Nov 27 23:07:32 Je ne crois pas avoir rencontrer quelqu'un Nov 27 23:07:38 ben non ... j'me suis fait banner Nov 27 23:07:41 qui m'as dit l'utiliser régulièrement Nov 27 23:08:01 ça sembles aller mieux depuis que les NuefWifiFON sont arrivés Nov 27 23:08:06 j'm'en servirais bien sur les neufbox Nov 27 23:08:15 mais sinon la couverture en Fon classique sembles tres légere Nov 27 23:08:25 c'est clair ! Nov 27 23:08:26 attention y a que quelques milliers Nov 27 23:08:31 de neuf Box ou c'est activé Nov 27 23:08:36 pas les NeufWifi bien sur Nov 27 23:08:41 par contre Oui neufWifi Nov 27 23:08:48 c'est vraiment une couverture térrible Nov 27 23:09:00 ah je savais pas ça ! Nov 27 23:09:06 ha beh tu vois Nov 27 23:09:11 t as bien fait de demander Nov 27 23:09:21 Bon imagine , Deux millions de neuf Wifi Nov 27 23:09:25 donc si fon est pas aactif ... pas d'acccès sur les neuf box ??? Nov 27 23:09:31 et 30000 Aps FOn ... Nov 27 23:09:40 t as tout compris Nov 27 23:09:45 faut etre abonné Nov 27 23:09:52 neuf pour avoir acces a neuf Wifi Nov 27 23:10:10 bon ben vais faire chauffer du openwrt Nov 27 23:10:19 ah ah ah Nov 27 23:10:25 Merde http://maps.francofon.fr/ réponds pas Nov 27 23:10:37 mais en gros ils montre la proportion de NB en FON Nov 27 23:10:55 ok Nov 27 23:11:24 effectivement ... ja crois pas avoir déjàcroisé de fonera active ... Nov 27 23:12:03 c'est calme ce soir Nov 27 23:13:22 tu as un routeur usb ? Nov 27 23:15:22 Oui j'ai des WGT Nov 27 23:15:29 c'est des vieux trucs Nov 27 23:15:40 mais ça fait des mois quon doit les reflasher Nov 27 23:15:47 car kernel panic pour l'instant Nov 27 23:16:25 les netgear ? Nov 27 23:16:37 ça tourne bien ces besstioles ? Nov 27 23:18:50 Oui pas mal Nov 27 23:19:01 car c'est une atheros en MiniPCI Nov 27 23:19:15 mais bon ce qu'il manque tout le temps c'est du temps pour s'en occuper ... Nov 27 23:19:27 ça doit bien se trouver pour pas cher non ? Nov 27 23:19:31 on recherche des testeurs pour la prochaine version du firmware polaris Nov 27 23:19:33 ah le temps ... Nov 27 23:19:36 mais on en trouve pas .... Nov 27 23:19:41 http://polaris-net.org Nov 27 23:19:44 j'ai vu Nov 27 23:19:50 pourtant y a que quelques corrections a tester Nov 27 23:19:55 mais fait du temps et un peu de matos Nov 27 23:20:06 honnetement j'ai pas le temps Nov 27 23:20:18 un peu de matos mais pas de temps Nov 27 23:20:35 une femme des enfants et un boulot ... Nov 27 23:21:11 dur dur de concilier tout ça sommeil et betatest .... Nov 27 23:22:20 en plus mes foneras tournent pas trop mal là ... veux pas les rebricoler Nov 27 23:23:45 il m'en reste deux que je dois reflasher ... mais ne répondent pas à mes sollicitations tftp ... Nov 27 23:25:16 bon ... dodo ... bonne nuit à toi Nov 27 23:25:27 bye everybody Nov 28 01:48:48 freechelmi: the fonera firmware is fully based on KK **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 28 02:59:57 2008