**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 15 02:59:57 2008
Dec 15 11:34:13 <Zeon> hi everybody
Dec 15 11:35:38 <TeigneuX> hi
Dec 15 11:36:08 <blogic> lo
Dec 15 11:36:17 <blogic> anyone here that had the freebox bug ?
Dec 15 11:36:32 <blogic> i mean where the fon would not work together with the freeboox
Dec 15 11:36:34 <blogic> ?
Dec 15 11:37:38 <Zeon> no, sorry
Dec 15 11:37:51 <TeigneuX> I have a freebox with no prob
Dec 15 11:37:59 <TeigneuX> Am I lucky ?
Dec 15 11:38:26 <TeigneuX> blogic: when we will have an upgrade :-D ?
Dec 15 11:38:42 <Zeon> I was wondering if there is any tutorial to write plugins
Dec 15 11:39:04 <blogic> Zeon: there will be very soon, we are just closing the last show stoppers for the release
Dec 15 11:39:10 <blogic> Zeon: the docu is next on my list
Dec 15 11:39:28 <blogic> Zeon: i will start working on plugins real soon and will document how i made them
Dec 15 11:39:42 <TeigneuX> so upgrade this week ?
Dec 15 11:39:51 <Zeon> ok, because I am going crazy trying to figure out how the interface works
Dec 15 11:40:03 <blogic> TeigneuX: 99%
Dec 15 11:40:09 <TeigneuX> :-D
Dec 15 11:40:15 <TeigneuX> thx
Dec 15 11:40:16 <blogic> Zeon: ok, have you seen the luci howtos ?
Dec 15 11:40:29 <TeigneuX> good news on monday that's cool
Dec 15 11:40:33 <blogic> LOL http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=QPGcP8KDXYw
Dec 15 11:40:40 <blogic> this happend yesterday :)
Dec 15 11:40:43 <blogic> FUCK OFF BUSH
Dec 15 11:40:45 <blogic> ;)
Dec 15 11:41:06 <Zeon> blogic: no, I was taking a look at the Lua page
Dec 15 11:41:16 <blogic> Zeon: ok, 1 sec
Dec 15 11:41:35 <TeigneuX> blogic: MDR
Dec 15 11:41:50 <blogic> TeigneuX: MDR ?
Dec 15 11:41:59 <blogic> Zeon: http://luci.freifunk-halle.net/Documentation
Dec 15 11:42:14 <TeigneuX> ah euh rotfl
Dec 15 11:42:24 <TeigneuX> mdr is in french
Dec 15 11:43:03 <Zeon> blogic: thanks
Dec 15 11:43:42 <blogic> Zeon: any questions ? just ask :)
Dec 15 11:43:59 <blogic> Zeon: also SoukoussMan has done some work on plugins already
Dec 15 11:45:12 <Zeon> ok, we were using CGI for testing the technology we're using, we knew someday we would have to change to Lua
Dec 15 11:45:40 <blogic> Zeon: ok, whatr are you working on ?
Dec 15 11:45:53 <Zeon> the fon home project
Dec 15 11:45:56 <blogic> Zeon: the lua/luci stuff is actually really easy, once you used it for a week
Dec 15 11:45:59 <blogic> Zeon: link ?
Dec 15 11:46:05 <blogic> Zeon: or a bit of detail ?
Dec 15 11:46:22 <Zeon> http://groups.google.com/group/si0809
Dec 15 11:46:55 <Zeon> did you hear about the Home Control System, from Nokia?
Dec 15 11:47:23 <Zeon> it's pretty much the same, but cheaper (and we had the idea first) :D
Dec 15 11:47:33 <blogic> Zeon: ok
Dec 15 11:47:41 <TeigneuX> Home automation ?
Dec 15 11:48:07 <blogic> Zeon: erm.... it is in a non english langiuage, which makes you french or italian ? :)
Dec 15 11:48:15 <blogic> only french and italians work in non english
Dec 15 11:48:16 <blogic> :)
Dec 15 11:48:25 <blogic> ah no
Dec 15 11:48:28 <blogic> spanish ?
Dec 15 11:48:31 <Zeon> yes, Home automation
Dec 15 11:48:39 <Zeon> we're Spanish, from the Universidad Complutense in Madrid
Dec 15 11:48:44 <blogic> ah cool
Dec 15 11:48:47 <blogic> hmm
Dec 15 11:48:47 <TeigneuX> french do work in english !
Dec 15 11:48:54 <blogic> TeigneuX: some :)
Dec 15 11:49:02 <blogic> i am only joking here :)
Dec 15 11:49:05 <blogic> not serious :)
Dec 15 11:49:07 <TeigneuX> blogic: :-p
Dec 15 11:49:10 <Zeon> I like to work in English, though :P
Dec 15 11:49:12 <blogic> Zeon: so, how far are you ?
Dec 15 11:49:23 <Zeon> what do you mean far?
Dec 15 11:49:28 <Zeon> in the project?
Dec 15 11:49:30 <blogic> yes
Dec 15 11:49:44 <blogic> i mean, what is the aim, and timeline, etc etc
Dec 15 11:49:57 <blogic> just so i know if and how i can help
Dec 15 11:50:17 <TeigneuX> AIm : control the world ;-)
Dec 15 11:50:19 <Zeon> we had the technology we need, drivers and stuff, and we've created a script that allows turning on and off different lights
Dec 15 11:50:31 <TeigneuX> cool
Dec 15 11:50:56 <Zeon> so this morning I was going to make a video of me turning the light on and off with my iPhone
Dec 15 11:51:03 <TeigneuX> (Happy to be here at this moment)
Dec 15 11:51:04 <Zeon> but I noticed the script didn't work any more
Dec 15 11:51:31 <Zeon> it's kind of cool, and it's much much cheaper than a standard controller
Dec 15 11:51:33 <TeigneuX> You have made a webif for the fonera ?
Dec 15 11:51:46 <TeigneuX> or is it only udp/tcp talking ?
Dec 15 11:51:55 <Zeon> no, just a cgi script
Dec 15 11:51:58 <TeigneuX> k
Dec 15 11:52:12 <Zeon> well, yeah, using webif
Dec 15 11:52:36 <Zeon> we have some really cool ideas in mind
Dec 15 11:53:16 <TeigneuX> there are many devices using wifi ?
Dec 15 11:53:31 <Zeon> just for your information, a home control system that has at least wifi and ethernet costs about 2000€
Dec 15 11:53:37 <Zeon> just the controller
Dec 15 11:53:41 <TeigneuX> oh god
Dec 15 11:53:59 <TeigneuX> how to make cash.... selling controllers ;-)
Dec 15 11:54:00 <Zeon> no, it doesn't use wifi for controlling devices
Dec 15 11:54:05 <TeigneuX> serial ?
Dec 15 11:54:18 <Zeon> sort of
Dec 15 11:54:34 <TeigneuX> so how do you plug devices and the fonera ?
Dec 15 11:54:48 <Zeon> check this out: http://groups.google.com/group/si0809/web/esquema
Dec 15 11:55:12 <TeigneuX> ok usb
Dec 15 11:55:23 <TeigneuX> and then you have an usb
Dec 15 11:55:30 <TeigneuX> using kind of cpl
Dec 15 11:55:40 <TeigneuX> which can be powered off or on ?
Dec 15 11:56:00 <blogic> Zeon: can i have a look at the script ?
Dec 15 11:56:34 <Zeon> yes, the controller sends signals through the power line
Dec 15 11:56:38 <Zeon> yup, just a sec
Dec 15 11:57:25 <blogic> ok
Dec 15 11:57:26 <blogic> thx
Dec 15 11:57:31 <TeigneuX> very intersting
Dec 15 11:57:32 <blogic> i like the idea very much :)
Dec 15 11:57:35 <TeigneuX> Me too
Dec 15 11:57:37 <TeigneuX> !!!
Dec 15 11:57:40 <blogic> Zeon: i have a few things to do today
Dec 15 11:57:48 <blogic> Zeon: in the evening i can help ypu though
Dec 15 11:58:05 <TeigneuX> Thanks for the fonera to be opened !
Dec 15 11:58:29 <blogic> haha
Dec 15 11:58:34 <TeigneuX> blogic to do list : make the release, ;-)
Dec 15 11:58:53 <iurgi_> lol
Dec 15 11:58:58 <iurgi_> hola Zeon
Dec 15 11:59:08 <Zeon> blogic: I just pasted it here: http://groups.google.com/group/si0809/web/script
Dec 15 11:59:11 <Zeon> hola iurgi_
Dec 15 11:59:24 <iurgi_> creo que hablamos alguna vez por mail no?
Dec 15 11:59:30 <iurgi_> os enviaron las foneras 2.0 al fin?
Dec 15 11:59:56 <TeigneuX> Is it a english chan ? ;-p
Dec 15 11:59:56 <Zeon> sí, les estamos sacando buen provecho, gracias :D
Dec 15 12:01:15 * blogic slaps iurgi, how am i supposed to understand that ? :)
Dec 15 12:01:17 <iurgi_> me alegro
Dec 15 12:01:19 <Zeon> :/
Dec 15 12:01:28 <blogic> alegro ? i heard that in usic class at school
Dec 15 12:01:29 <blogic> :)
Dec 15 12:01:30 <iurgi_> TeigneuX: cierra el pixo
Dec 15 12:01:31 <iurgi_> lol
Dec 15 12:01:37 <iurgi_> pico
Dec 15 12:01:42 <blogic> pixo -> spanish for jpeg ?
Dec 15 12:01:44 <iurgi_> TeigneuX: you0re right
Dec 15 12:01:56 <blogic> :)
Dec 15 12:01:58 <iurgi_> I was just saying hello in a familiar way to him
Dec 15 12:01:59 <iurgi_> :)
Dec 15 12:02:04 <iurgi_> blogic: lol
Dec 15 12:02:10 <blogic> ah ok :)
Dec 15 12:02:16 <blogic> i like that project
Dec 15 12:02:26 <blogic> Zeon: how much is the powerline unit ?
Dec 15 12:02:37 <blogic> is it a homebrew or commerical application ?
Dec 15 12:02:50 <pablo_bz> blogic: the spanish for jpeg is "jotapeje"
Dec 15 12:03:00 <skynetbbs> Zeon, what is the best module? the AWM2 or the TMA4 ?
Dec 15 12:03:10 <skynetbbs> can the latter be programmed with just the pc and the usb CM11 module?
Dec 15 12:03:21 <skynetbbs> hence website/manual talks about using remote ?
Dec 15 12:03:39 <Zeon> wait, too many questions at a time :)
Dec 15 12:03:56 <blogic> Zeon: haha
Dec 15 12:04:22 <SoukoussMan> hi everybody
Dec 15 12:04:34 <Zeon> the controller costs around 50€, and each device unit is about 30€. I have all the lights in my room automated, and it was around 100€
Dec 15 12:04:46 <blogic> ah cool
Dec 15 12:04:49 <blogic> link ?
Dec 15 12:04:57 <blogic> SoukoussMan: heyho
Dec 15 12:05:07 <blogic> iurgi_: printing works for me
Dec 15 12:05:14 <blogic> iurgi_: whithut any patching
Dec 15 12:05:19 <blogic> iurgi_: let me play a little
Dec 15 12:05:28 <Zeon> links to all the stuff we're using: http://groups.google.com/group/si0809/web/manuales-mdulos-x10
Dec 15 12:05:50 <Zeon> blogic: what app are you talking about?
Dec 15 12:06:26 <blogic> Zeon: yours
Dec 15 12:06:36 <blogic> Zeon: i want to add a voice recognition too it :)
Dec 15 12:06:41 <skynetbbs> Zeon : perhaps also something you could support with FH ? http://sispmctl.sourceforge.net/
Dec 15 12:06:42 <blogic> so i can say "lights on"
Dec 15 12:06:44 <Zeon> skynetbbs: I don't know about those modules, we're just using CM11
Dec 15 12:06:45 <blogic> "lights off"
Dec 15 12:06:54 <blogic> whos is skynetbbs  ? :)
Dec 15 12:07:06 <blogic> he is like a ghost
Dec 15 12:07:13 <blogic> people talk to him, i never see him
Dec 15 12:07:19 * blogic wonders why
Dec 15 12:07:44 <skynetbbs> zeon : the modules are the ones you probably used in your lights?
Dec 15 12:09:12 <skynetbbs> do you also gather "status" info (only possible on the bidirectional modules)?
Dec 15 12:09:13 <Zeon> haha, it's homebrew, based on the heyu system
Dec 15 12:10:00 <skynetbbs> I'll probably also place an X10 network soon; but i'm first experimenting with SIS-PM; it's cheaper (4 devices for only 25euro)...
Dec 15 12:10:00 <Zeon> actually, with the design we have in mind, it shouldn't be difficult to add voice recognition
Dec 15 12:10:09 <skynetbbs> nice :-)
Dec 15 12:10:13 <blogic> Zeon: i know
Dec 15 12:10:19 <blogic> voice should be trivial
Dec 15 12:10:27 <blogic> and you can use festival for voice output
Dec 15 12:10:42 <blogic> festival is quite nice, especially if cobined with lisa
Dec 15 12:10:48 <Zeon> skynetbbs: no bidirectional option, there are bidirectional modules, but they're very expensive
Dec 15 12:11:46 <blogic> Zeon: ok
Dec 15 12:11:57 <Zeon> am I the only one who sees skynetbbs ? or is it an inside joke?
Dec 15 12:11:58 <blogic> Zeon: i think we have to build our own power line module :)
Dec 15 12:12:15 <blogic> ?
Dec 15 12:12:16 <blogic> :)
Dec 15 12:12:17 <skynetbbs> if it can switch 4 devices?
Dec 15 12:12:30 <skynetbbs> allways nice to see via wifi/internet that you kept the lights burning? :-)
Dec 15 12:12:36 <Zeon> blogic: the cm11 controller you mean?
Dec 15 12:12:58 <blogic>         \|||/
Dec 15 12:12:59 <skynetbbs> no those micro-module controllers
Dec 15 12:12:59 <blogic>         (o o)
Dec 15 12:12:59 <blogic> ,~~~ooO~~(_)~~~~~~~~~,
Dec 15 12:12:59 <blogic> |       Please       |
Dec 15 12:12:59 <blogic> |   don't feed the   |
Dec 15 12:13:02 <blogic> |       TROLL!       |
Dec 15 12:13:04 <blogic> '~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ooO~~~'
Dec 15 12:13:07 <blogic>        |__|__|
Dec 15 12:13:09 <blogic>         || ||
Dec 15 12:13:12 <blogic>        ooO Ooo
Dec 15 12:13:14 <blogic> Zeon: yes
Dec 15 12:13:17 <blogic> Zeon: 1 sec
Dec 15 12:13:17 <iurgi_> lol
Dec 15 12:13:21 <skynetbbs> saturday evening a fonera2 was playing DJ on a  christmas party :-)
Dec 15 12:13:22 <TeigneuX> lol
Dec 15 12:13:41 <skynetbbs> "where is the music coming from"... "you're looking at it"...
Dec 15 12:14:07 <skynetbbs> would be nice if they could connect with FON_Music to see what's playing instead of myplace :-)
Dec 15 12:14:19 <SoukoussMan> blogic> do you know when the plugin dev manual will be available. is to know if it's usefull to i write a doc in waiting ?
Dec 15 12:15:10 <skynetbbs> yups currently it's reverse engineering the many existing plugin examples :-)
Dec 15 12:16:13 <Zeon> we're thinking of many possibilities that the wifi gives us
Dec 15 12:17:26 <skynetbbs> yes it would be interesting to combine eg Bluetooth plugin with Fon Home plugin... if it detects my mobile phone that means I 'm in 10 to 100m radius...  turn on/off the lights :-)
Dec 15 12:17:39 <skynetbbs> or perhaps a jabber plugin to im your devices?
Dec 15 12:17:42 <Zeon> like programming garden irrigation with a Google Calendar
Dec 15 12:17:57 <Zeon> skynetbbs: yes, we've also thought of that
Dec 15 12:19:17 <blogic> SoukoussMan: pleas write a docu if you have the time :)
Dec 15 12:20:32 <iurgi> SoukoussMan: it would be very appreciated
Dec 15 12:22:27 <Zeon> SoukoussMan: I came in asking for that :D
Dec 15 12:23:01 <skynetbbs> I've allready written a few small examples on the wiki last week
Dec 15 12:23:13 <skynetbbs> Inouk hasn't yet got time to check them out
Dec 15 12:28:49 <Zeon> SoukoussMan: what plugin are you developing?
Dec 15 12:42:35 <SoukoussMan> blogic> ok.; if i find the time with the new plugin project :)
Dec 15 12:43:22 <SoukoussMan> Zeon> i've dev a plugin proxyredirector who redirect the port 80 from public and/or private ssid to a transparent proxy http
Dec 15 12:48:19 <Zeon> SoukoussMan: ok
Dec 15 12:59:09 <inouk> hi Zeon!
Dec 15 13:00:22 <Zeon> hi inouk!
Dec 15 13:01:03 <Zeon> I had some problems trying to make the video, so I tried to get some help in here
Dec 15 13:02:03 <Zeon> and I sure got a lot of help!
Dec 15 13:02:28 <inouk> nice to see you here
Dec 15 13:02:41 <inouk> if not photos are OK as well :)
Dec 15 13:02:59 <Zeon> if you want the video, we always keep a fonera with the old firmware, so we can do it with that
Dec 15 13:03:17 <Zeon> well, I thought a video was cool, so you can see the delay and stuff
Dec 15 13:04:06 <blogic> Zeon: video ? :)
Dec 15 13:04:39 <kazwo> y..p... plugin? :D
Dec 15 13:05:03 <Zeon> I wanted to send a short video showing how the small cgi script we had works
Dec 15 13:05:28 <blogic> Zeon: \o/
Dec 15 13:05:37 <Zeon> just something like "look, this is my cellphone, and I turn the lights off, no computers attached"
Dec 15 13:05:56 <inouk> Zeon, OK as you wish, true video is nicer :)
Dec 15 13:09:07 <Zeon> see you, guys!
Dec 15 13:09:33 <blogic> cya
Dec 15 13:21:00 <kazwo> damn wireless mouse. anyone seen it?
Dec 15 13:24:42 * RHarmsen still isn't getting how to develop a plugin / compile code for a fonera2