**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 19 02:59:57 2008 Dec 19 03:53:01 what I don't remember is how to enable ssh through the fon stuff Dec 19 08:34:42 Goodmorning all. Any chance there will be a rc2 .fon image made available please? Dec 19 09:46:54 All on holiday already? Dec 19 09:47:28 hi Dec 19 09:47:40 hi iurgi Dec 19 09:47:48 Any chance there will be a rc2 .fon image made available please? Dec 19 09:48:17 very unlikely :( Dec 19 09:49:28 :-( Dec 19 09:49:50 no rc2 ? Dec 19 09:49:52 :) Dec 19 09:50:54 What can we expect then? Dec 19 09:53:30 voorstad: there will be no rc2 Dec 19 09:53:35 its a release :) Dec 19 09:54:19 Liberator 1.0 ??? :-) Dec 19 09:54:31 no Dec 19 09:54:42 fon-ng2.0 Dec 19 09:55:25 ng = next generation? Dec 19 09:55:49 yes Dec 19 09:56:04 its codename is "tantor the elefont" Dec 19 09:56:15 Dec 19 09:56:16 ___.-~"~-._ __....__ Dec 19 09:56:16 .' ` \ ~"~ ``-. Dec 19 09:56:16 /` _ ) `\ `\ Dec 19 09:56:16 /` a) / | `\ Dec 19 09:56:19 :` / | \ Dec 19 09:56:21 <`-._|` .-. ( / . `;\\ Dec 19 09:56:24 `-. `--'_.'-.;\___/' . . | \\ Dec 19 09:56:26 _ /:--` | / / .' \\ Dec 19 09:56:29 ("\ /`/ | ' ' / :`; Dec 19 09:56:31 `\'\_/`/ .\ /`~`=-.: / `` Dec 19 09:56:34 `._.' /`\ | `\ /( Dec 19 09:56:37 / /\ | `Y / \ Dec 19 09:56:39 jgs J / Y | | /`\ \ Dec 19 09:56:42 / | | | | | | | Dec 19 09:56:44 "---" /___| /___| /__| Dec 19 09:56:47 '""" '""" '""" Dec 19 09:56:49 Tantor the Elefont Dec 19 09:56:52 :) Dec 19 09:58:03 And what will be in this release? Dec 19 09:58:34 yes Dec 19 09:58:36 :) Dec 19 09:58:38 bug fixes Dec 19 09:58:43 language files Dec 19 09:58:59 it is a rc1 with bug fixes, cleanups Dec 19 09:59:19 with or without WAN-LAN bridge? Dec 19 10:00:10 it's an rc1 with bugfixes ;) Dec 19 10:00:20 without Dec 19 10:00:35 voorstad: there will be an "afdvanced network" plugin Dec 19 10:00:43 it will add a more powerfull firewall etc Dec 19 10:01:01 the problem is that, the WAN-LAN bridge feature is too advanced foir the average user Dec 19 10:01:12 xactly Dec 19 10:01:15 and we wont be able to easily explain it in the luci pages Dec 19 10:01:22 it will confuse 95% of users Dec 19 10:01:26 mmm, hope I will be advanced enough then :-) Dec 19 10:01:58 haha Dec 19 10:02:08 But great news Dec 19 10:02:35 I will be joining a friend this evening who just got a FON2.0, so will be fun testing tonight Dec 19 10:03:09 good Dec 19 10:05:31 And will there be a "Family and Friends" plugin as well? Dec 19 10:05:41 :-) Dec 19 10:10:20 voorstad the advanced network thing will also include mac->ip matching for dhcp and hostname suport Dec 19 10:10:33 so you can hook a mac to a ip & hostname Dec 19 10:27:43 this network plugin will be released by the fon team? Dec 19 10:28:25 yes Dec 19 10:28:27 by me Dec 19 10:35:31 and this plugin will speed up the speed from 2,4Mbps to ....? Dec 19 10:44:55 hey the rc2 is available to download now? Dec 19 10:50:06 barbon: hey, please read the above Dec 19 10:56:28 where? Dec 19 10:56:36 Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Dec 19 10:56:39 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/fonosfera.txt Dec 19 10:56:40 readed Dec 19 11:07:24 ty :) Dec 19 11:33:17 blogic: so I compiled cleanly from trunk a developer version, and dropbear does not start :-( Dec 19 11:33:25 (even after setting registered to 1) Dec 19 11:33:29 rwhitby: ? Dec 19 11:33:32 1 sec Dec 19 11:34:09 so I'm now flashing it on the device with serial to see what's going on. Dec 19 11:34:28 ok, thx Dec 19 11:34:47 rwhitby: i flashed mine with head 2 hours ago and ssh works Dec 19 11:36:08 replacing alfred with tantor on serial-equipped board now ... Dec 19 11:36:23 rwhitby: 1 sec Dec 19 11:37:29 I'm flashing the same image from before, in parallel with building a new image from now. Dec 19 11:37:35 ok Dec 19 11:38:25 i am doing a clean checkout now and doing reference builds Dec 19 11:38:28 lets see whats up Dec 19 11:39:21 so you put online immage? Dec 19 11:40:03 barbon: no, you can build from svn trunk Dec 19 11:41:52 blogic: when I do an svn update from fon, should I do a ./scripts/feeds update -a too? Dec 19 11:42:11 ./install.sh would be the choice Dec 19 11:42:15 i think :) Dec 19 11:42:47 Doing that reports: Dec 19 11:42:54 Ignoring feed 'packages' - index missing Dec 19 11:42:54 Ignoring feed 'xwrt' - index missing Dec 19 11:42:54 Ignoring feed 'luci' - index missing Dec 19 11:42:58 yes Dec 19 11:43:09 those are the owrt feeds Dec 19 11:43:14 and they are never installed Dec 19 11:43:52 but the fon feed is in the same svn which was just updated, so on subsequent svn ups why do I need to run install again? Dec 19 11:44:59 you do not need to if no packages were added/remved Dec 19 11:45:17 ok, gotcha Dec 19 11:45:33 is the top-level luci dir used? Dec 19 11:46:07 yes, it is symlinked to fon/luci/src Dec 19 11:46:53 ok, so it gets indexed as part of the fon feed then Dec 19 11:47:00 yes Dec 19 11:47:10 it's all very confusing ;-) Dec 19 11:58:34 I found a 4 port usb hub today that is the perfect size to fit in front of the big capacitor and have four sockets sticking out the front of the fonera. Dec 19 11:58:46 unfortunately, it means no leds. Dec 19 11:59:00 (maybe I drill holes in the front for them too) Dec 19 12:25:58 iurgi, blogic: power light goes green well before ssh access is avaiable Dec 19 12:26:11 that's not supposed to happen according to iurgi Dec 19 12:27:30 rwhitby: after a flash ? Dec 19 12:27:36 yep Dec 19 12:27:37 i mean flash->boot->no ssh Dec 19 12:27:38 normal Dec 19 12:27:48 flash->boot->green led->powercycle Dec 19 12:27:54 i thought that was fixed already Dec 19 12:27:55 ssh never starts on firstboot Dec 19 12:27:56 no Dec 19 12:27:59 because .... Dec 19 12:28:10 there are 2 processes started to generate trhe 2 keys Dec 19 12:28:26 right, and they were going to restart ssh when they'd finished Dec 19 12:28:27 hence we would need to start a third process to figure out when the first 2 have finished Dec 19 12:28:36 and that is overkill Dec 19 12:28:46 because, yet again it is a usecase for 1% of users Dec 19 12:28:47 and iurgi told me that keys would be generated well before power went greeen Dec 19 12:29:02 yes, but ssh is atrted before keys are ready Dec 19 12:29:10 its a bit strange, but we can live with it imho Dec 19 12:29:25 ok, it's no problem for me, but every new developer will ask you this question, and your support load will rise as a result. Dec 19 12:29:35 i know Dec 19 12:29:40 there will be wiki page Dec 19 12:29:47 "Developers intro" Dec 19 12:29:49 :) Dec 19 12:29:55 i will make this over the xmas break Dec 19 12:29:55 heh - how many developers read wiki pages ;-) Dec 19 12:30:00 and it will explain Dec 19 12:30:12 1) building image Dec 19 12:30:16 2) flashing then Dec 19 12:30:22 3) pitfalls Dec 19 12:30:30 the /topic will hold the link :) Dec 19 12:32:39 ooh - tantor is green Dec 19 12:32:54 no Dec 19 12:32:57 it is not Dec 19 12:33:03 dev=1 is green :) Dec 19 12:33:10 a fon in dev mode uses a different css Dec 19 12:33:22 also, notice the logo changed from fon to fonosfera beta Dec 19 12:33:31 if you by hand set dev=0 it is orange again Dec 19 12:33:41 the production images will be dev=0 Dec 19 12:33:52 but for now the dev releases are dev=1 Dec 19 12:33:53 :) Dec 19 12:34:03 makes it more present that the fon is in dev mode Dec 19 12:34:09 cool Dec 19 12:34:12 yeah Dec 19 12:34:23 green is so much more soothing than the nasty orange Dec 19 12:34:32 also, CyrusFF just added a patch that allows you to hook extar css to your pluins Dec 19 12:34:40 ok, ssh and web from wan works after enabling it Dec 19 12:34:53 hehe Dec 19 12:34:54 cool Dec 19 12:34:59 samba wont work though ;( Dec 19 12:35:08 i have no idea why, even if i open the ports Dec 19 12:35:15 we will hotfix this when we know hwy Dec 19 12:35:21 now, lets see if hotplug of usb stuff works Dec 19 12:35:27 ok Dec 19 12:35:40 rwhitby: thanks for all the testing :) Dec 19 12:35:46 i really appreciate it Dec 19 12:36:21 BTW, this is from trunk from 1 hour ago Dec 19 12:36:31 heh - tantor's trunk. Dec 19 12:37:03 hi everybody Dec 19 12:37:13 rwhitby: yeah Dec 19 12:37:19 SoukoussMan: hey Dec 19 12:37:42 usb2 flash stick directly into fon2 is recognised and seen on gui Dec 19 12:38:44 nice - the gui updates itself on insertion and removal of flash devices Dec 19 12:39:09 hi Dec 19 12:39:12 usb2 flash stick behind usb2 hub works Dec 19 12:40:00 blogic: is http://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/fonera2/packages up to date, or do I need to point to my nslu2-linux fon-ng feed? Dec 19 12:40:34 404: Not Found Dec 19 12:40:34 The requested URL was not found on this server. Dec 19 12:40:35 :) Dec 19 12:40:41 no it is not up to date :) Dec 19 12:40:47 i will build that stuff tonight Dec 19 12:41:02 and make a fonera2.kernel.modules.tar.bz2 Dec 19 12:41:10 with all the modules one could ever need Dec 19 12:41:59 ok, let's see what other usb stuff I have lying around to test with ... Dec 19 12:42:09 haha Dec 19 12:42:16 i have a bag full of usb f00 :) Dec 19 12:42:24 i really want to see yeaphone work :) Dec 19 12:42:28 i will do that really soon Dec 19 12:42:28 usb2 bt recognised on hub Dec 19 12:42:29 :) Dec 19 12:42:33 cool Dec 19 12:43:05 usb2 bt *not* recognised when connected directly Dec 19 12:43:35 yes Dec 19 12:43:38 it is usb1.1 Dec 19 12:43:48 usb1.1 dont work woithout hub Dec 19 12:43:56 this bt dongle is definitely 2.0 Dec 19 12:43:59 ? Dec 19 12:44:00 sure ? Dec 19 12:44:05 I have lots of 1.1 ones, but only one 2.0 one Dec 19 12:44:09 hmm Dec 19 12:44:11 bizarre Dec 19 12:44:16 cat /proc/bus/usb/devices says it is 2.00 Dec 19 12:44:20 hmm Dec 19 12:44:27 no idea sorry Dec 19 12:45:49 hmm - usb2 flash stick no longer recognised connected directly either Dec 19 12:45:52 let's try a reboot Dec 19 12:48:32 usb2 flash stick directly connected can be plugged and unplugged many times and is recognised each time Dec 19 12:48:55 then plug and unplug the bt stick once, and then usb2 flash stick is never recognised again Dec 19 12:49:20 nor is hub Dec 19 12:49:31 lol Dec 19 12:49:33 maybe ehci crashes Dec 19 12:49:34 so plugging in bt stick directly breaks usb forever. Dec 19 12:49:43 (until reboot) Dec 19 12:49:44 ehci must crash Dec 19 12:49:56 can you tell me the exact type spec o the stick ? Dec 19 12:50:01 i will get oine on ebay Dec 19 12:50:28 Ambicom Class 1 Bluetooth V2.0 on label Dec 19 12:50:42 FCC Id: PST-BT2USB Dec 19 12:51:00 blogic: what do you think of a button in the webif that does "modprobe -r ehci; modprobe ehci" in some later version? Dec 19 12:51:10 well Dec 19 12:51:22 id rather fire a hotplug on a crash and do it magically Dec 19 12:51:51 hmm yes if you can somehow detect the crash automagically Dec 19 12:52:04 poll sysfs ? Dec 19 12:52:18 blogic: Dec 19 12:52:20 danicasti: Ver= 2.00 Cls=e0(unk. ) Sub=01 Prot=01 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 Dec 19 12:52:20 pablo_bz: Vendor=0a5c ProdID=2101 Rev= 0.00 Dec 19 12:52:21 sylvainzimmer: Manufacturer=Broadcom Corp Dec 19 12:52:23 sylvainzimmer: Product=BCM92045DG Non-UHE Dec 19 12:52:32 ok Dec 19 12:52:35 ? Dec 19 12:52:36 heh - name completion :-) Dec 19 12:52:42 lol Dec 19 12:52:46 D:, P:, S:, S: Dec 19 12:52:47 rwhitby: thx Dec 19 12:52:56 k :) Dec 19 12:53:08 Watt? Dec 19 12:53:18 blogic: btw, don't forget to send me the code ;-) Dec 19 12:53:20 rwhitby: i will try to get 1 Dec 19 12:53:23 blogic: line above, (T:) says Spd=12 Dec 19 12:53:25 sylvainzimmer: yes Dec 19 12:53:54 let me double check lsusb -v Dec 19 12:56:28 blogic: /msg'd you the full lsusb -v Dec 19 12:56:30 usb2 stick plugged in at boot is recognised correctly Dec 19 12:56:32 flash stick that is Dec 19 12:57:30 blogic: kernel hasn't changed, right? so modules built for alfred will still work? Dec 19 12:57:51 yes Dec 19 12:59:11 blogic: Unhandled kernel unaligned access on insmod of hci_usb Dec 19 13:00:23 tantor feed is still building - will test again later with that Dec 19 13:02:08 usb1.1 bt dongle behind usb2 hub is recognised Dec 19 13:02:37 ok on insert, but gives unhandled kernel unaligned access on unplug Dec 19 13:02:58 and usb is borked after that Dec 19 13:03:43 ok Dec 19 13:03:47 wait Dec 19 13:03:56 is kallsymy on in tantor ?!?! :) Dec 19 13:03:58 * blogic checks Dec 19 13:04:20 no Dec 19 13:04:48 but in alfred i think it was Dec 19 13:05:00 no, I had it turned on in my personal feed only Dec 19 13:05:38 would be good to have it on in the release image ... Dec 19 13:05:47 no Dec 19 13:05:54 it takes too much flash Dec 19 13:05:56 however Dec 19 13:06:05 we could provide dev images Dec 19 13:06:09 automatically in the developer build? Dec 19 13:06:09 i need to think about this Dec 19 13:06:16 yeah, possibly Dec 19 13:06:31 but then you have the problem of people haveing 2 .ko files and using the wrong one Dec 19 13:06:34 hmmz Dec 19 13:06:59 i need to ponder different solutions Dec 19 13:07:22 not sure yet, but we need an "official solution" to prevent dirty modules in the wild Dec 19 13:07:46 dev build could point to dev feeds Dec 19 13:08:14 put all sorts of packages in dev feeds, but only tested ones in user feeds Dec 19 13:08:37 that would be a solution Dec 19 13:09:18 Hiç all Dec 19 13:09:34 RC2 still unavailable ? Dec 19 13:09:34 Hi TeigneuX Dec 19 13:09:45 final testing in progress Dec 19 13:09:50 oua Dec 19 13:09:50 it will happen in the next hours Dec 19 13:09:53 ok Dec 19 13:10:20 usb1.1 bt dongle plugged into usb2 hub plugged in at boot, unhandled kernel unaligned access. Dec 19 13:10:33 hmm Dec 19 13:10:45 well we do not support BT yet oficially Dec 19 13:10:54 but i have 1 sticks, so i will test it later Dec 19 13:11:09 but this was happening in 809 aswell did it not ? Dec 19 13:11:57 plug the hub in at boot, then plug the usb1.1 dongle in later, and all is fine it seems. Dec 19 13:12:12 weird Dec 19 13:12:21 blogic: I only tested owrt809 on nslu2 and got different errors. Dec 19 13:12:48 ok Dec 19 13:15:25 building kallsyms kernel and feed for testing ... Dec 19 13:15:50 blogic: super this version has been very very tested ;-D Dec 19 13:17:02 i know Dec 19 13:22:32 blogic: ok, seeing the same bt kernel paging request error as I saw on ixp4xx owrt 809 Dec 19 13:23:25 on ixp4xx it was fixed by kallsyms kernel modules ... Dec 19 13:23:31 ok Dec 19 13:23:34 weird Dec 19 13:23:38 very Dec 19 13:23:42 so it must be an actual bug in .26 Dec 19 13:23:53 i can help out finding it in januars :) Dec 19 13:23:59 i can help out finding it in january :) Dec 19 13:24:14 or bug in owrt kernel patches for .26 is other possibility Dec 19 13:24:23 but not likely Dec 19 13:24:26 yeah Dec 19 13:24:30 or a race condition Dec 19 13:24:36 which pops up on slow cpus Dec 19 13:24:51 lets hope it is not a heisenbug Dec 19 13:25:02 i hate those Dec 19 13:25:18 so ... Dec 19 13:25:26 my test fon20 is now online for 14 days Dec 19 13:25:28 :) Dec 19 13:25:37 and no mem leakage :) Dec 19 13:25:42 cool cool cool Dec 19 13:25:47 i will just keep it runnin Dec 19 13:25:56 it is the main router in my home flat now Dec 19 13:26:00 lets see Dec 19 13:26:26 my first wrt54gl from 2004 had to be rebooted twice Dec 19 13:26:38 once due to powercut and once due to moving flat Dec 19 13:26:50 lets see if hte fon2 does an uptime of 365 days aswell Dec 19 13:28:13 blogic: nevertheless everyone says "shitty brcm!!111oneoneone" ;-) Dec 19 13:28:40 eleven Dec 19 13:33:39 blogic: hit ssh client immediately on power led going green, and connection refused. one or two seconds after green and all is ok. Dec 19 13:34:02 IMQ messages come through *after* led has gone green BTW Dec 19 13:34:45 ok Dec 19 13:34:46 well Dec 19 13:34:52 you are impatient :) Dec 19 13:34:54 hehe Dec 19 13:35:04 but you are right Dec 19 13:35:06 :-) just testing the boundaries ;-) Dec 19 13:35:15 we need to look at it closer for the next release Dec 19 13:35:28 usb1.1 sound stick on usb2 hub is detected on boot Dec 19 13:35:48 cool Dec 19 13:37:22 pegasus usb net adapter is detected Dec 19 13:37:40 cool Dec 19 13:37:53 i want to add drivers for ralink and zydas usb wifi Dec 19 13:38:00 would be nice if you wanna mesh Dec 19 13:38:01 :) Dec 19 13:39:52 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openwrt/fon-ng/mips/ has a tantor feed now Dec 19 13:40:27 pwc webcam is detected on hub Dec 19 13:45:00 my usb audio sound card doesn't seem to have been automaticall recognized. is there a procedure to follow ? how to debug that? Dec 19 13:45:25 it's this one, marked as compatible on linux: http://www.behringer.com/uca202/index.cfm?lang=eng Dec 19 13:45:34 using a hub ? Dec 19 13:45:39 no Dec 19 13:45:49 let me try that Dec 19 13:47:09 still nothing on a hub Dec 19 13:48:05 weird Dec 19 13:48:07 ah Dec 19 13:48:11 is the module loaded ? Dec 19 13:48:25 bizarre Dec 19 13:48:52 http://pastebin.ca/1289305 Dec 19 13:49:30 .ca is broken Dec 19 13:49:33 use .com please Dec 19 13:50:39 http://rafb.net/p/qmLois14.html Dec 19 13:51:21 hmm Dec 19 13:51:37 cat /proc/bus/usb/devices Dec 19 13:52:17 http://rafb.net/p/USCyRu58.html Dec 19 13:54:00 ok, stick is broken =? Dec 19 13:54:06 it is not recognized Dec 19 13:54:11 nor the hub Dec 19 13:54:39 shit Dec 19 13:55:01 the hub works Dec 19 13:55:29 hm, if I plug the soundcard in my mac the green light shows up Dec 19 13:55:36 sylvainzimmer: if you plug usb1.1 in direct, it kills the usb Dec 19 13:55:37 not in the fonera or in the fonera+hub Dec 19 13:55:45 you need hub in from boot, then usb1.1 in hub Dec 19 13:56:04 sound card is likely to be usb1.1 Dec 19 13:56:08 ok so I should reboot the fonera with the hub? Dec 19 13:56:14 yes, Dec 19 13:56:40 ok, let's do that (I'll disconnect) Dec 19 13:56:45 must always have usb2 hub plugged in first. never plug usb1.1 direct into fon2 Dec 19 13:56:57 and if you do plug usb1.1 direct, you have to reboot to recover Dec 19 13:57:07 that is going to dissapoint a lot of users I guess ;) Dec 19 13:57:37 I'm going to mount a 4-port usb2 hub internally and have the 4 sockets sticking out the front ... Dec 19 13:58:07 you mean for the final version of the fonera2 ? Dec 19 13:58:27 I'm not connected to fon, so probably not ;-) Dec 19 13:58:34 ah ok allright Dec 19 13:58:40 I still don't know who's on the payroll here :p Dec 19 13:58:48 me and iurgi :) Dec 19 13:58:54 * sylvainzimmer reboots Dec 19 13:58:57 pablo_bz aswell Dec 19 13:59:01 they bribe me with fon2 :-) Dec 19 13:59:05 haha Dec 19 13:59:50 my best free score so far is a > AUD$1K NAS box from qnap :-) Dec 19 14:00:10 lol Dec 19 14:00:20 qnap ts409 pro II :-) Dec 19 14:04:52 got audio !!!!! Dec 19 14:04:55 thanks rwhitby Dec 19 14:05:07 yw Dec 19 14:05:18 so great Dec 19 14:05:33 I'm doing a video right away ;) Dec 19 14:05:39 I just got BT dund working Dec 19 14:06:34 cool Dec 19 14:06:40 rwhitby: what was the problem ? Dec 19 14:06:45 just not connect on boot ? Dec 19 14:06:56 dunno yet, testing repeatability Dec 19 14:07:08 I did put in kallsyms kmod-bluetooth Dec 19 14:09:05 reinstalling non-kallsyms to try and make it fail again Dec 19 14:09:26 ok Dec 19 14:13:20 yep, unaligned access with non-kallsyms Dec 19 14:14:13 weird Dec 19 14:16:32 if someone needs the kallsyms modules, I can give them a private feed URL. I can't publish it here though. Dec 19 14:22:53 hmm - actually this four port hub sits nicely on the top of the fon2, so I might not need to mount it inside after all Dec 19 14:25:37 http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/images/products/xh0416~lge.jpg Dec 19 14:26:05 oh, nice one Dec 19 14:26:14