**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 26 02:59:57 2009
Jan 26 06:59:18 <christophe-marie> I tried to put oktopussy on my fonera, but now it has created a new ssid, FON_ATTENTION_PLEASE_CONNECT
Jan 26 06:59:35 <christophe-marie> when I do so, it asks for a passwd
Jan 26 06:59:50 <christophe-marie> admin/admin does not work, any idea?
Jan 26 07:00:13 <christophe-marie> I used the web interface
Jan 26 07:00:26 <christophe-marie> to perform the upgrade
Jan 26 07:19:56 <christop1e-marie> ok it was admin/serial
Jan 26 07:21:39 <christop1e-marie> This is not a FON upgrade image or hotfix. Retry with another file
Jan 26 07:23:48 <christop1e-marie> well... the forum seems to say I have to try redboot upgrade
Jan 26 09:16:58 <Danicasti> Hy
Jan 26 09:17:32 <Fred_> Hi, good morning fonosfera
Jan 26 09:18:59 <Danicasti> Thanks to developers! Good work!
Jan 26 09:34:25 <Fred_> Well, I tested octopussy and found everything works as it did in Tantor
Jan 26 09:34:57 <Fred_> Same problems with Samba too, but that is something you told us.
Jan 26 11:32:12 <iurgi> hi
Jan 26 11:32:18 <iurgi> anyone tested FONBackup?
Jan 26 11:34:19 <Fred_> Yes I did
Jan 26 11:34:28 <iosonoio> what is fonbackup?
Jan 26 11:34:59 <Fred_> As I wrote in the blog comments, it works fine as long as you use it connected to the LAN or WiFi interface
Jan 26 11:35:15 <Fred_> Not through WAN
Jan 26 11:35:37 <iurgi> Fred_: sure
Jan 26 11:35:50 <iurgi> we are gonna make it available in future versions
Jan 26 11:35:55 <Fred_> Is it a "by design" limitation?
Jan 26 11:36:00 <Fred_> Ah ok.
Jan 26 11:36:23 <iurgi> it's gonna be a nice tool in the future
Jan 26 11:36:52 <Fred_> Yeah. Who knows if we'll ever get to see fonera 2.0 working as a tiny NAS server...
Jan 26 11:39:51 <Fred_> iosonoio Fon backup is a small java application developed by Fon they released last Friday.
Jan 26 11:40:27 <iosonoio> it does tha fonera2 backup?
Jan 26 11:40:39 <Fred_> it allows you to backup the content of a folder in your PC to the storage device attached to the Fonera2
Jan 26 11:41:09 <Fred_> No, it does not backup the Fonera 2 configs, if you mean that
Jan 26 11:41:25 <Fred_> I backups a folder from the pc you run it.
Jan 26 11:41:51 <Fred_> Sounds like I was the developer   :-D
Jan 26 11:42:51 <iosonoio> ahahhah
Jan 26 11:42:51 <iosonoio> ok :)
Jan 26 11:42:51 <iosonoio> i got it
Jan 26 11:44:01 <iurgi> Fred_: lol
Jan 26 11:44:09 <iurgi> well it's not a 'limitation' it self
Jan 26 11:44:16 <iurgi> it's that we need to make it usable
Jan 26 11:44:18 <iurgi> and secure etc
Jan 26 11:44:39 <iurgi> so opening the access from one required a bit more thinking
Jan 26 11:44:45 <iurgi> from the wan
Jan 26 11:45:04 <iurgi> as you can see, the one now requests user/password even in the dashboard
Jan 26 11:45:21 <Fred_> Seems like WAN is a pain in the neck for you the developers...
Jan 26 11:45:23 <iurgi> this is for when someone opens the access to their fonera from the internet
Jan 26 11:45:42 <iurgi> well... the thing is we have this philosophy... that users connect to the LAN of the fonera
Jan 26 11:45:45 <iurgi> so we care more about it
Jan 26 11:46:00 <iurgi> but happens that 'advanced' users seem to connect to the fronera from the wan
Jan 26 11:46:13 <iurgi> because they usually have already an advanced lan environment
Jan 26 11:46:18 <iurgi> with many PCs/servers etc
Jan 26 11:46:24 <Fred_> Yes, I understand. If you have LF2 as your main router, that is logical
Jan 26 11:46:40 <iurgi> yes
Jan 26 11:47:32 <Fred_> As you said, many users already have a wired router. I have the Linksys BFSR41, doing the port forwarding stuff, DynDNS, QoS, firewall, etc...
Jan 26 11:47:49 <iurgi> yeah, exactly
Jan 26 11:47:59 <iurgi> so it's not that much that it gives us problems
Jan 26 11:48:15 <Fred_> I see
Jan 26 11:48:21 <iurgi> but the fact that in the end, it has to be considered as a potentially hostile environment
Jan 26 11:48:38 <iurgi> if the fonera is connected to a LAN with a firewall etc, it's kind of fine
Jan 26 11:48:48 <iurgi> but if it's connected using pppoe or similar, directly to the internet
Jan 26 11:48:53 <iurgi> it has to be well protected
Jan 26 11:49:06 <iurgi> so, we can't just let everything open as in the lan side
Jan 26 11:49:25 <Fred_> I don't discard using LF2 as main router after my cable-modem when its development reaches a mature stage...
Jan 26 11:49:33 <iurgi> Fred_: so, what do you think of fonbackup?
Jan 26 11:49:45 <iurgi> Fred_: it will soon ;)
Jan 26 11:51:19 <Fred_> Well, FonBackup is fine. I would suggest some type of backup automation, but I suppose that would require some kind of background running
Jan 26 11:53:34 <Fred_> I would aldo suggest, the application itself created a specific folder in the attached USB drive, with a standarized name, where the backups were stored
Jan 26 11:54:09 <Fred_> in order no to mix backup folders with other stuff
Jan 26 11:59:17 <iurgi> Fred_: as for the specific folder, yes, no doubt that's in the tasklist already
Jan 26 11:59:52 <Fred_> Yeah, guess that's not big deal for you.
Jan 26 12:00:10 <iurgi> my idea was to have something like: 20090126_FONBackup
Jan 26 12:00:27 <iurgi> and everytime you do a backup, only the changes are synced and the folder is renamed to the new date
Jan 26 12:00:40 <Fred_> cool!
Jan 26 12:00:57 <iurgi> the idea is that the user identifies the folder easily as a backup and not delete it unwillingly
Jan 26 12:01:34 <iurgi> the other things to improve is tha time to calculate what has changed
Jan 26 12:01:38 <iurgi> this takes way too long
Jan 26 12:01:43 <iurgi> but we will improve it
Jan 26 12:02:08 <iurgi> the current development version does already transfer files using FTP, which is double as fast (in the fonera) as HTTP
Jan 26 12:02:14 <iurgi> reaching up to 1MB/s
Jan 26 12:02:14 <Fred_> Yes, but it takes a lot of time even for commercial apps such as Retrospect
Jan 26 12:02:29 <iurgi> this is cool since it's also way faster than the apple Time Capsule ;)
Jan 26 12:02:41 <iurgi> Fred_: ideally it can be done in no time
Jan 26 12:02:46 <iurgi> there are very efficient ways
Jan 26 12:02:51 <iurgi> let's see if we can adapt one...
Jan 26 12:03:08 <iurgi> usually, comercial tools are not the most efficient ;)
Jan 26 12:03:24 <Fred_> Ftp works fine now, so I guess it'll help improving backup.
Jan 26 12:03:39 <iurgi> yes
Jan 26 12:03:40 <iurgi> indeed
Jan 26 12:03:49 <iurgi> we might have a second version of fonbackup very soon
Jan 26 12:03:58 <Fred_> Jus't one question about ftp: Is is strictly necesary to limit users to 1?
Jan 26 12:04:04 <blogic> yes
Jan 26 12:04:25 <blogic> if one MB takes 1 second
Jan 26 12:04:31 <Fred_> Is it a performance issue?
Jan 26 12:04:31 <blogic> than 10 mb take 10 seconds
Jan 26 12:04:44 <blogic> if you do them in parallel it is 10 or sequential it is still 10
Jan 26 12:04:47 <blogic> an
Jan 26 12:04:49 <iurgi> why would you need more than 1?
Jan 26 12:05:02 <blogic> and if you do 10 in parallel it will use 10 times more memory
Jan 26 12:05:16 <blogic> iurgi: never answer a question with a qurstion
Jan 26 12:05:20 <blogic> :)
Jan 26 12:05:28 <Fred_> well, I use Filezilla and had to limit users to 1 in order to get it working
Jan 26 12:05:32 <iurgi> blogic: I wasn't answering the question, you did that
Jan 26 12:05:35 <iurgi> I just made a question
Jan 26 12:05:42 <iurgi> to see if it has a worth thinking point ;)
Jan 26 12:06:02 <blogic> ahah
Jan 26 12:06:04 <iurgi> Fred_: I see, well, it's not "users" what you mean
Jan 26 12:06:07 <iurgi> but "sessions"
Jan 26 12:06:15 <iurgi> so the answer is
Jan 26 12:06:21 <Fred_> Sorry for the mistake. I meant sessions
Jan 26 12:06:24 <iurgi> 1) more users make little sense for a fonera
Jan 26 12:06:36 <blogic> yes
Jan 26 12:06:39 <iurgi> 2) more than one session won't improve (but maybe decrease) the performance
Jan 26 12:06:43 <blogic> i was answering tho seessions
Jan 26 12:06:49 <iurgi> so it's not worth only for a matter of filezilla configuration
Jan 26 12:06:50 <iurgi> imho
Jan 26 12:06:51 <blogic> i thought it was obviuos what you mean
Jan 26 12:07:29 <iurgi> yeah, well
Jan 26 12:07:29 <Fred_> I see. Anyway, a note specifying this in the ftp service page would help
Jan 26 12:07:41 <iurgi> that's fair enough
Jan 26 12:07:53 <iurgi> we'll see if there's a good place for that
Jan 26 12:08:08 <Fred_> I didn't realize till someone told my in the english board
Jan 26 12:08:25 <iurgi> yes, it's the typical thing that's hard to find out
Jan 26 12:13:17 <Fred_> Maybe this is too much, but would it be to much trouble to have the choice to change LF2 web port to other than 80?
Jan 26 12:13:31 <Fred_> Something like 8080
Jan 26 12:14:22 <Fred_> Maybe a webserver app could need port 80
Jan 26 12:15:01 <iurgi> what do you mean with a webserver up?
Jan 26 12:15:07 <iurgi> changing the port is definitely feasible
Jan 26 12:15:21 <iurgi> but I wouldn't say it's a priority right now
Jan 26 12:15:30 <Fred_> Sure it is not
Jan 26 12:16:07 <Fred_> I mean LF2 acting as a webserver, serving pages hosted in the USB drive
Jan 26 12:16:42 <Fred_> I think someone created this ticket
Jan 26 12:50:42 <kazwo> i can see cookie bombers on the sky!
Jan 26 12:51:12 <bmpeter> kazwo :)
Jan 26 12:51:20 <iurgi> lol
Jan 26 12:51:27 <iurgi> kazwo: did you test OktoPussy?
Jan 26 12:51:41 <kazwo> some parts of it
Jan 26 12:51:47 <iurgi> and?
Jan 26 12:53:00 <bmpeter> i tested 8pussy with pm2036's audio plugin :)
Jan 26 12:53:31 <kazwo> i like the loadbar and the status page :)
Jan 26 12:55:20 <bmpeter> but the sound wrapping with a 128kbps mp3 file with stereo mode
Jan 26 12:55:51 <bmpeter> maybe the tested audio components are too old
Jan 26 12:56:03 <iurgi> kazwo: yeah, we love it too, specially blogic. he's so proud of it :)
Jan 26 12:56:13 <iurgi> bmpeter: no idea :(
Jan 26 12:56:19 <blogic> bmpeter: no
Jan 26 12:56:25 <bmpeter> np
Jan 26 12:56:32 <blogic> pm2036 uses madplay, which does audio filters
Jan 26 12:56:44 <blogic> bmpeter: i have made our own fon mp3 app
Jan 26 12:56:56 <pm2036> bmpeter: yes same problem yesterday
Jan 26 12:56:58 <bmpeter> ahh
Jan 26 12:57:10 <pm2036> blogic: where is your app ? ;p
Jan 26 12:57:11 <blogic> and i will release this app the coming days
Jan 26 12:57:19 <blogic> pm2036: i will put it in svn tonight ok ?
Jan 26 12:57:26 <pm2036> yes yes, it's a joke
Jan 26 12:57:27 <blogic> it is cmd line only at the moment
Jan 26 12:57:31 <blogic> no worries
Jan 26 12:57:44 <blogic> we are currentyl thinking about the best way to do luci pages for it
Jan 26 12:57:47 <blogic> ah
Jan 26 12:57:50 <pm2036> I have made nothing ;) (only write a txt file with the installation of 4 packages)
Jan 26 12:57:53 <blogic> and i added m3u support already
Jan 26 12:58:02 <blogic> well, yes, i meant htis howto :)
Jan 26 12:58:47 <bmpeter> pm2036 i followed the "install" steps
Jan 26 12:58:52 <bmpeter> :)
Jan 26 12:59:17 <blogic> hehe
Jan 26 12:59:38 <blogic> well, its really high on my prio list to get it working :) as i want to use it as my main audio src at home
Jan 26 13:00:40 <iurgi> :)
Jan 26 13:00:44 <pm2036> ok ;)
Jan 26 13:01:15 <pm2036> I have got another question..(I just think about it)
Jan 26 13:01:21 <bmpeter> i tested with Macally iVoice http://www.welovemacs.com/ivoice.html
Jan 26 13:02:09 <pm2036> ok! me with my cheap soundcard buy for 1$ on ebay!
Jan 26 13:02:28 <bmpeter> this was at home
Jan 26 13:02:34 <bmpeter> :)
Jan 26 13:02:37 <bmpeter> sorry
Jan 26 13:02:58 <iurgi> pm2036: is it this one?
Jan 26 13:03:05 <pm2036> no
Jan 26 13:03:39 <pm2036> iurgi: I think the link is on the blog
Jan 26 13:03:40 <iurgi> http://fon.gs/cheapcard/
Jan 26 13:04:00 <iurgi> ok, I'll look for it
Jan 26 13:04:04 <pm2036> yes like it
Jan 26 13:04:05 <iurgi> since I asked for 10 long ago
Jan 26 13:04:11 <iurgi> but seems that they didn't buy them in the end...
Jan 26 13:04:13 <iurgi> :(
Jan 26 13:04:21 <iurgi> gotta leave
Jan 26 13:04:21 <iurgi> bbl
Jan 26 13:04:53 <pm2036> bye
Jan 26 13:05:07 <pm2036> strange
Jan 26 13:05:26 <pm2036> me I have bought this => http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-2-0-to-Mic-Speaker-5-1-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-K49_W0QQitemZ290261552574QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290261552574&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A15|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Jan 26 13:07:33 <pm2036> blogic: is there any way to know when somebody is connecting on the F2?
Jan 26 13:08:26 <kazwo> i lost my usb sondcard somewhere O_O
Jan 26 13:09:12 <bmpeter> kazwo: buy a bigger one :)
Jan 26 13:09:48 <kazwo> :D
Jan 26 13:10:10 <kazwo> found it :D
Jan 26 14:44:29 <barbon> hey, i have updated yesterday with the new firmware, and now usb port seem to dont work :(
Jan 26 14:47:42 <barbon> somesone got the same problem?
Jan 26 14:48:07 <kazwo> not yet
Jan 26 14:51:25 <barbon> i have connect just the same usb pen that  i have used with the precedent firmware
Jan 26 14:51:50 <barbon> and the usb-peen seem to dont be know by fonera
Jan 26 16:55:31 <christophe-marie> Hi
Jan 26 16:56:57 <christophe-marie> When I tried the upgrade of my fonera on the web interface, it failed.
Jan 26 16:57:13 <christophe-marie> the fonera created a new wifi ap
Jan 26 16:57:35 <christophe-marie> like "FON_PROBLEM_PLEASE_CONNECT"
Jan 26 16:58:07 <christophe-marie> I eventually found out that the user/pass were admin/serial
Jan 26 16:58:51 <christophe-marie> Now when I'm trying to use the web interface to upload the firmware again, it just says This is not a FON upgrade image or hotfix. Retry with another file
Jan 26 16:59:10 <christophe-marie> So my question is :
Jan 26 17:00:04 <christophe-marie> is there a chance the upgrade can be done on the web ui, or is it now mandatory to use redboot?
Jan 26 17:20:10 <kazwo> christophe-marie: now its time to use redboot
Jan 26 17:21:00 <christophe-marie> kazwo: I see... So I have no choice, that's all I wanted to know
Jan 26 17:21:20 <iurgi> sorry christophe-marie no choice :(
Jan 26 17:21:29 <christophe-marie> kazwo: any program that supports tftp would fit?
Jan 26 17:21:50 <christophe-marie> because there isn't tftpd on archlinux
Jan 26 17:22:08 <christophe-marie> at least, not for x86_64
Jan 26 17:22:11 <iurgi> atftpd?
Jan 26 17:22:41 <christophe-marie> tftp-hpa seems to be the only one
Jan 26 17:22:55 <kazwo> hmm dont know, i dont use linux :/
Jan 26 17:22:59 <christophe-marie> (when you search for tftp with pacman)
Jan 26 17:23:03 <CyrusFF> you can use a httpd
Jan 26 17:23:24 <CyrusFF> http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/wiki/redboot
Jan 26 17:24:14 <christophe-marie> do you HAVE to install putty?
Jan 26 17:24:24 <CyrusFF> no
Jan 26 17:24:34 <christophe-marie> because I don't understand why you could do it in a standard console
Jan 26 17:24:35 <CyrusFF> you can also use any other telnet that workjs
Jan 26 17:24:46 <christophe-marie> ok
Jan 26 17:25:25 <CyrusFF> many people had problems with telnet with clicky-buntu distributions and therefore I advised to use putty because it also somehow automatically sends the CTRL+C
Jan 26 17:25:43 <christophe-marie> all right
Jan 26 17:28:57 <CyrusFF> its also basically the same as if you flash with tftpd you just have to add -m http and add a / before the filename, rest is identical
Jan 26 17:50:49 <merlin2> iurgi, whats coming soon? xD
Jan 26 17:51:41 <iurgi> merlin2: tht's an old banner
Jan 26 17:51:52 <merlin2> hehe ok =P
Jan 26 17:51:59 <kazwo> hypnotic blinking lights
Jan 26 17:52:30 <iurgi> darn, I can't change the topic
Jan 26 17:52:32 <iurgi> lost my @
Jan 26 17:52:33 <iurgi> :D
Jan 26 17:54:23 <kazwo> [18:53] Notice from ChanServ (BNC): You are not authorized to perform this operation. :(
Jan 26 17:59:33 <iurgi> 17:54 -!- #fonosfera You need to be a channel operator to do that
Jan 26 17:59:36 <iurgi> ;)
Jan 26 18:00:23 <CyrusFF> lol why didn't u register the channel?
Jan 26 18:01:15 <iurgi> it was registered by blogic
Jan 26 18:02:04 <CyrusFF> it has no chanserv in it so it doesn't look like its registered at all
Jan 26 18:03:01 <iurgi> hmmm
Jan 26 18:03:14 <iurgi> I might be wrong, but I'm quite sure he did...
Jan 26 18:03:18 <iurgi> if not, let's do it now
Jan 26 18:03:44 <kazwo> [19:03] Notice from ChanServ (BNC): #fonosfera is already registered to blogic.
Jan 26 18:03:52 <CyrusFF> oh ok
Jan 26 18:04:34 <iurgi> :)
Jan 26 18:04:37 <iurgi> thanks kazwo
Jan 26 18:05:31 <kazwo> iurgi: try to auth yourself at nickserv
Jan 26 18:05:52 <iurgi> I'm authed imo
Jan 26 18:06:04 <iurgi> you mean /nickserv identify password ?
Jan 26 18:06:09 <kazwo> yes
Jan 26 18:06:13 <iurgi> I am
Jan 26 18:06:54 <iurgi> hmm
Jan 26 18:06:58 <CyrusFF> try /msg chanserv op #fonosfera
Jan 26 18:07:24 <iurgi> 18:09 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
Jan 26 18:07:27 <iurgi> darn
Jan 26 18:07:35 <kazwo> hehehe
Jan 26 18:07:46 <iurgi> blogic: is boikotting me
Jan 26 18:07:47 <iurgi> lol
Jan 26 18:07:59 * CyrusFF declares anarchy in #fonosfera
Jan 26 18:08:04 <iurgi> hehehe
Jan 26 18:08:08 <iurgi> while the op is not here
Jan 26 18:08:10 <iurgi> let's make party
Jan 26 18:08:17 <iurgi> and talk about forbidden subectsa
Jan 26 18:08:27 * iurgi loves Micro$oft!!!!
Jan 26 18:08:34 <iurgi> lol
Jan 26 18:11:01 <kazwo> flowerpower!
Jan 26 18:33:29 <iurgi> christophe-marie: any luck?
Jan 26 18:56:21 <pablo_bz> msg chanserv op #fonosfera
Jan 26 18:56:57 <\> omg
Jan 26 18:57:12 <\> i have been screwed!
Jan 26 19:03:32 <iurgi> ok, tomorrow!
Jan 26 19:03:33 <iurgi> ciao
Jan 26 21:21:52 <christophe-marie> Although the ip of my pc is 192.168.1.254, telnet is refused by my fonera on 192.168.1.1
Jan 26 21:23:41 <christophe-marie> the rj45 cable is plugged on the right port (the back, which is tagged "computer")
Jan 26 21:23:52 <christophe-marie> *sorry, the black
Jan 26 21:24:04 <christophe-marie> any idea?
Jan 26 21:24:15 <christophe-marie> I already tried rebooting the fonera
Jan 26 21:25:16 <christophe-marie> I'm trying to use redboot, since the ui update (browser based) did not work
Jan 26 21:26:30 <christophe-marie> HALP
Jan 26 21:26:35 <christophe-marie> :)
Jan 26 21:30:06 <christophe-marie> iurgi: you were saying that there isn't any other way than using redboot, now, right?
Jan 26 21:33:51 <christophe-marie> blogic: you always know what is going on. could you tell me what's happening? I did exactly what the wiki says (installed a tftp server, it is supposed to work now - changed my mac to 192.168.1.254)
Jan 26 21:34:12 <christophe-marie> installed inettools to get telnet
Jan 26 21:34:32 <christophe-marie> but telnet is refused by the fonera
Jan 26 21:35:39 <christophe-marie> should I try a hard reset?
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