**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 09 02:59:57 2009 Feb 09 08:06:07 Hi! Feb 09 08:41:28 hi Feb 09 08:46:52 ...oggi è lunedi.... Feb 09 08:46:58 :( Feb 09 10:06:33 koenkv the screen does nothing, the fonera reflashes itself meanwhile :) Feb 09 10:07:42 :) Feb 09 10:10:03 you probably could not open the .tgz because you are using a non-standards-compliant gunzip program, such as that winrar crap Feb 09 10:10:59 http://www.norc.eu/ interesting google streetview alternative Feb 09 10:24:39 the usb hub hotter than the oven Feb 09 10:36:09 you can use as oven :) Feb 09 11:49:39 eheh.... web-hother Feb 09 12:28:18 helo Feb 09 12:28:28 hi Feb 09 12:30:09 When i connect from Mac OS X to te share of fonera. It says 14MB free space. Feb 09 12:30:12 Is that a bug ? Feb 09 12:31:20 incyi: hmm Feb 09 12:31:34 we have a bug report already regarding this Feb 09 12:31:55 oke, and also when you connected to a other wifi network with the fonera Feb 09 12:32:07 You can't see the ip adres of the fonera Feb 09 12:32:24 it says n/a, but in a older release it was working. Feb 09 12:32:40 I had made a bug ticket, but i can't find it Feb 09 14:56:39 hi all. I have upgrade from Tantor to Oktopussy-2 this weekend, but I now have MyPlace connection problems Feb 09 14:57:52 I don't get an IP address form FON.... a repait, ipconfig /renew or /flushdns nor a fixed IP adress solve the issue. I get connected, that's all Feb 09 14:58:01 Anyone with similar experiences? Feb 09 14:58:44 When I reboot the FON router, it's working again, until I restart my laptop..... Feb 09 15:00:39 weird Feb 09 15:00:41 really weird Feb 09 15:00:50 wewill try to reproduce it Feb 09 15:01:56 I opened WAN-LAN in the settings Feb 09 15:02:33 FON is connected to ADSL router modem with DHCP enabled as well, but in different subnet. Feb 09 15:03:02 FON is getting IP from this router. Feb 09 15:03:58 I'll test tonight with a second laptop to be sure it's a FON issue, not an issue on the laptop Feb 09 15:04:27 ok Feb 09 15:04:28 thanks Feb 09 15:04:34 will wait for the feedback Feb 09 15:04:42 any log I shpuld capture? Feb 09 15:04:51 logread -f Feb 09 15:05:04 ok Feb 09 15:05:28 @ blogic: How was Fosdem? Feb 09 15:07:07 voorstad: very good Feb 09 15:07:12 nice contacts Feb 09 15:07:17 meet really cool people Feb 09 15:07:35 A lot of FON interst? Feb 09 15:07:40 yeah Feb 09 15:07:56 i missed the hacknight at hsb Feb 09 15:08:01 had meetings to sttend Feb 09 15:08:12 So the next week we will be overloaded with plugins? Feb 09 15:09:03 :-D Feb 09 15:14:23 it's like dead here Feb 09 15:14:34 we are all busy working Feb 09 15:14:57 oke Feb 09 15:15:06 yeah Feb 09 15:17:06 I wan't some information about trac Feb 09 15:17:12 can any body help me with tha Feb 09 15:17:12 t Feb 09 15:17:37 aslk the question Feb 09 15:17:37 sure Feb 09 15:17:54 few days ago i made a new ticket Feb 09 15:18:02 but i can't find the status of it Feb 09 15:18:06 hmmm Feb 09 15:18:18 which ticket ? Feb 09 15:18:19 I deleted a few ones (about 4) unwillingly Feb 09 15:18:25 while removing spam Feb 09 15:18:33 maybe yourswas one of them Feb 09 15:18:35 I hope not Feb 09 15:18:36 i mean what did it relate to ? Feb 09 15:18:38 what was it about? Feb 09 15:18:41 it was about the web interface Feb 09 15:18:48 wht else? Feb 09 15:18:50 about 25% are Feb 09 15:18:53 the status of the internet connection doesn't work 100% Feb 09 15:18:59 hmmm Feb 09 15:19:03 what do you mean? Feb 09 15:19:05 in wifi-wan mode ? Feb 09 15:19:11 in wifi wan mode Feb 09 15:19:14 now Feb 09 15:19:16 :) Feb 09 15:19:26 why is the ticket gone ? Feb 09 15:19:32 iurgi: ;) Feb 09 15:19:33 i don't no Feb 09 15:19:39 ;P Feb 09 15:19:40 anyway, yes, looking at that today Feb 09 15:19:50 ok Feb 09 15:19:58 it is on my list Feb 09 15:20:27 oke, but I don't know how the "ticket system" works. Feb 09 15:21:52 hmm Feb 09 15:21:54 it's simple Feb 09 15:21:56 users open them Feb 09 15:22:05 we (specially blogic) check them Feb 09 15:22:14 and if they make sense, we try to fix them Feb 09 15:22:18 in order of priority Feb 09 15:22:21 ;) Feb 09 15:22:39 oke, can i register to see the status of my tickets ? Feb 09 15:23:29 hmmmm Feb 09 15:23:34 can't you see them without registration? Feb 09 15:24:06 i see them Feb 09 15:24:15 then? Feb 09 15:24:30 there's no 'registration' Feb 09 15:24:39 there's anonymous access ordeveloperaccess Feb 09 15:24:41 that's all Feb 09 15:24:42 sorry Feb 09 15:24:53 oke Feb 09 15:24:54 if you can't see the status, that would need fixing Feb 09 15:25:01 I think i understand it now Feb 09 15:25:04 but if you can see it, that's mostly all you need Feb 09 15:25:32 but i made 1 ticket and that one is now gone. Feb 09 15:25:34 you should get a mail from the system if you entered your mail-address and the status of your ticket changes Feb 09 15:25:52 I don't get any mails form the system ? Feb 09 15:26:04 incyi: I might have deleted it :( Feb 09 15:26:14 did you use your email to create it? Feb 09 15:26:19 yes Feb 09 15:27:04 hmmm Feb 09 15:27:09 then I might have deleted it, sorry Feb 09 15:27:15 :D Feb 09 15:27:17 could you create it again, please? Feb 09 15:27:38 I try it Feb 09 15:27:55 ok Feb 09 15:27:57 thanks Feb 09 15:29:13 iurgi want new bug reports? :D Feb 09 15:30:45 kazwo: go for it Feb 09 15:30:54 kazwo: yeah1!! Feb 09 15:30:56 :) Feb 09 15:32:15 even for the audio plugin? Feb 09 15:32:30 sure Feb 09 15:32:38 we expect it to have millions of bugs Feb 09 15:32:43 it was a candy release Feb 09 15:32:49 just for you guys :) Feb 09 15:32:55 but it's far from being finished Feb 09 15:33:05 so, anything you see Feb 09 15:34:21 btw, I addednew 'milestones' to trac Feb 09 15:34:33 so you can add theticket to audiocli-0.2 Feb 09 15:34:34 :) Feb 09 15:38:57 where cann i find a howto to get my fon uptodate without waiting for a new fw ? Feb 09 15:39:05 opkg doesn't upgrade Feb 09 15:39:41 you can bake your own firmware Feb 09 15:39:57 manual for it ? Feb 09 15:40:20 svn co Feb 09 15:40:23 make Feb 09 15:40:26 hehehe Feb 09 15:40:28 kidding Feb 09 15:40:38 but in summary, that's all you need Feb 09 15:40:42 incyi: linux user? Feb 09 15:40:50 hmm mac os x windows & linux :p Feb 09 15:40:51 haha Feb 09 15:40:53 svn co http://svn.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/trunk; cd trunk; ./install.sh; cd openwrt;make menuconfig; make Feb 09 15:41:01 or sth like this Feb 09 15:41:04 incyi: there you go ;) Feb 09 15:41:21 CyrusFF: is a one liner magician ;) Feb 09 15:41:28 CyrusFF is a one liner magician ;) Feb 09 15:41:57 * CyrusFF is just a linux user :-P Feb 09 15:42:16 :D Feb 09 15:42:35 yeah, me to but I ain't no magician Feb 09 15:42:40 i have a mac os x Feb 09 15:42:41 it's like Wow Feb 09 15:42:42 he Feb 09 15:42:44 whait Feb 09 15:42:46 haha Feb 09 15:42:46 I'm on level 10 or so Feb 09 15:42:49 i have a mac mini Feb 09 15:42:54 CyrusFF: is probably on 3459 or so Feb 09 15:42:59 ps3 with ubuntu Feb 09 15:43:03 lol Feb 09 15:43:08 ps3 with ubuntu?? Feb 09 15:43:17 I always wondered the point of it Feb 09 15:43:17 playstation 3 :p Feb 09 15:43:22 what do you use it for? Feb 09 15:43:27 maybe it works with mac os, it could but I am not sure if it does Feb 09 15:43:31 I mean, any particular benefits? Feb 09 15:43:36 noo Feb 09 15:43:40 it works in mac :) Feb 09 15:43:41 not realy just for the fun Feb 09 15:43:47 incyi: with mac os x it should probably work Feb 09 15:43:55 it does wrok butit might need some changes Feb 09 15:43:57 yes Feb 09 15:43:58 nbd knows aboutit Feb 09 15:44:06 if he's around he'll tell you probably Feb 09 15:44:08 yes but i don't know of the svn client is installed Feb 09 15:44:20 bmpeter: maybe you can help incyi Feb 09 15:44:21 and maybe need to install Xcode too Feb 09 15:44:39 i have xcode tools installed Feb 09 15:44:45 nice Feb 09 15:44:52 doesn't mac os have something like aptitude? Feb 09 15:44:59 it does Feb 09 15:44:59 maybe need the hole package ? or just the tools Feb 09 15:45:03 or at least you can install Feb 09 15:45:05 it Feb 09 15:45:47 :D not everybody knows, but al the developer tools are also for the mac. But you just must know which one you mustuse :p Feb 09 15:45:54 my english is very bad Feb 09 15:45:54 haha Feb 09 15:46:02 good enough Feb 09 15:46:27 i installed full Xcode, because, i had 280Gigs on my HDD:) Feb 09 15:46:40 hehe Feb 09 15:46:46 incyi my hungarian better :) Feb 09 15:47:03 i speak turkish and dutch. Feb 09 15:47:21 good for u Feb 09 15:47:22 :) Feb 09 15:49:39 i think for full Xcode you need less than 5GB Feb 09 15:50:22 i have enough free space so it doesn't matter Feb 09 15:50:33 5GB wtf Feb 09 15:50:37 must search for the cd of it Feb 09 15:50:51 why is it that big? Feb 09 15:51:06 because all the tools are included Feb 09 15:51:10 incyi: turkish and dutch? Feb 09 15:51:15 i told: less than 5GB Feb 09 15:51:17 turkishinmigrant in holland? Feb 09 15:51:48 less than 5GB around in 1GB :D Feb 09 15:52:14 jaa :p hahah Feb 09 15:52:24 i dont remember exactly Feb 09 15:52:53 i will check for you at home Feb 09 15:53:23 my whole OS including all devel, multimedia etc. stuff fits in 4GB :-P Feb 09 15:54:31 iurgi why have you asked that ? Feb 09 15:54:56 incyi: hmmmm Feb 09 15:55:11 well, I can't see other ways of someone speaking both languages Feb 09 15:55:18 hehe :D Feb 09 15:55:21 I mean, turkish and germanis common Feb 09 15:55:27 many turkish people in germany Feb 09 15:55:33 or arab and spanish or araband french Feb 09 15:55:43 hehe and i'm from holland :P Feb 09 15:55:44 but it's a weird combination imho Feb 09 15:55:50 did I guess correctly? Feb 09 15:55:56 yes it is so Feb 09 15:56:05 :D Feb 09 15:56:07 goodd Feb 09 15:56:09 hehe Feb 09 15:56:13 where in turkey? Feb 09 15:56:21 I've been twice in Istanbul and once in ankara Feb 09 15:56:30 My parent's are coming from ankara Feb 09 15:56:30 I L O V E Istanbul Feb 09 15:56:32 :) Feb 09 15:56:35 I see Feb 09 15:56:38 * bmpeter off Feb 09 15:56:42 I went to capadokya Feb 09 15:56:49 (dunno how to spell it properly) Feb 09 15:56:51 over 2 weeks i go for the first time to istanbul :D Feb 09 15:56:53 very nice lands Feb 09 15:56:56 really? Feb 09 15:56:59 you're gonna love it Feb 09 15:57:03 istanbul is just... Feb 09 15:57:04 in every language is spell other ways Feb 09 15:57:08 part of the universal history Feb 09 15:57:50 :D yes it is so Feb 09 15:57:51 995.8 MB Feb 09 15:57:52 is it Feb 09 15:57:55 it's been the city of gathering asian european and arabculture for centuries Feb 09 15:58:32 incyi: so you were born in hollans? Feb 09 15:58:34 holland Feb 09 15:58:37 Lelystad Feb 09 15:58:54 :D hehe , I have create a new ticket/ number 204 # Feb 09 15:59:15 incyi: I see so you learned the language from your parents? Feb 09 15:59:19 lovely Feb 09 15:59:22 I love that Feb 09 15:59:29 yes it is so Feb 09 15:59:31 hehe oke Feb 09 15:59:36 I'm gonna teach my children my language Feb 09 15:59:39 wherever I live Feb 09 15:59:39 but i must leave. Feb 09 15:59:43 sure Feb 09 15:59:45 where are you from ? Feb 09 15:59:47 see you around Feb 09 15:59:49 basque country Feb 09 15:59:55 north of spain, south of france Feb 09 16:00:13 oke you see me at on other time here :D Feb 09 16:00:16 sure Feb 09 16:00:17 ciao Feb 09 16:01:46 any portugeses around? Feb 09 16:02:33 sweedish? Feb 09 16:05:49 i'm itlian Feb 09 16:05:53 italian Feb 09 16:06:20 Danicasti_: we already have the italian translation :P Feb 09 16:08:58 * bmpeter on Feb 09 16:11:13 question: in audiocli can i decrease the gain level? Feb 09 16:11:31 not the volume level Feb 09 16:12:51 because some music have distortion Feb 09 16:15:12 everybody: http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/Soundcard_compatibility please fill it, thanks :) Feb 09 16:23:20 bmpeter: thanks! Feb 09 16:28:27 cheers! Feb 09 16:58:54 * bmpeter gone Feb 09 17:01:00 I'm back guys :D Feb 09 17:03:09 hmm mac os x says " make command not found " , I need to download Xcode :( Feb 09 17:10:07 Does anybody know which package from the Leopard dvd must install for make ? Feb 09 17:30:19 incyi: no idea Feb 09 17:30:27 I don't know if it's in the leopard dvd Feb 09 17:30:29 probably not Feb 09 17:31:50 I have installed the tools. Feb 09 17:31:56 but i don't have wget Feb 09 17:32:00 :( Feb 09 17:32:30 and md5sum doesn't work Feb 09 17:32:54 Build dependency: OpenWrt can only be built on a case-sensitive filesystem Feb 09 17:33:00 Build dependency: Please install GNU find Feb 09 17:33:09 and much more Feb 09 17:33:26 macpackagemanager install program1 program2 :-P Feb 09 17:33:32 hehehe Feb 09 17:33:33 :p Feb 09 17:33:42 oo you cann add an option force=1 Feb 09 17:33:53 i'm now in the openwrt configuration (H) Feb 09 17:34:14 but compilation will fail without these dependencies Feb 09 17:34:26 haha Feb 09 17:34:40 incyi: you need to install all these tools Feb 09 17:34:42 best is to install darwinports Feb 09 17:34:45 they are available for sure Feb 09 17:34:48 but I don't know where Feb 09 17:34:56 i have allready installed darwinports Feb 09 17:34:58 then grab the gnu stuff with fink Feb 09 17:38:28 hmm port: command not found :S i just installed it Feb 09 19:42:33 free beer - 1$ Feb 09 21:14:50 kazwo: 1$ is not free Feb 09 21:15:48 bmpeter: Feb 09 21:19:48 oh, you are not connected Feb 09 21:20:20 anyway, if you (channel) find sound flickering on top levels, it is probably due to a bug when passing amplitude data to the soundcard Feb 09 21:21:01 i have found that with some tracks it happens, when amplitude get to the top (full bass/treble/boombox) Feb 09 21:21:32 it is a bug, and probably not too difficult to fix when we find time Feb 09 21:23:40 i do not know if it happens on all usb sound cards, it happened on the ones we have at the office, so perhaps you haven't found the issue Feb 09 21:24:03 i also do not know how many mp3's out there get to the top amplitude, since it is a sign of a bad recording Feb 09 23:31:26 any guide where to read about installin aircrack-ng Feb 09 23:31:33 on the fonera2 Feb 09 23:31:46 I do not want to install legend Feb 09 23:33:02 maybe only using legend's packages? Feb 09 23:33:07 it's all OpenWrt in the end Feb 09 23:34:45 or use the openwrt package, or optware Feb 09 23:35:06 la fonera openwrt can compile? Feb 09 23:35:27 i kind of want to keep la fonera interface Feb 09 23:35:58 the la fonare intefacr is nice Feb 09 23:36:08 you can download either openwrt and build packages which would run on the fonera Feb 09 23:36:12 you can switch to openwrt if you like, we dont really mind Feb 09 23:36:36 but if you want any extra features, let me know :) Feb 09 23:36:44 do u know if i can have access to the usb Feb 09 23:36:57 if i install openwrt Feb 09 23:37:27 blogic are u one of the fonera team? Feb 09 23:37:48 yes Feb 09 23:37:55 i am the main developer Feb 09 23:38:39 cool Feb 09 23:39:52 i want to install aircrack-ng suite and use the usb Feb 09 23:40:00 to store Feb 09 23:42:04 the data Feb 09 23:45:10 ok Feb 09 23:45:12 sure Feb 09 23:45:18 i never tried it Feb 09 23:45:27 but i am sure there is a openwrt package for it Feb 09 23:56:29 i got the packages Feb 09 23:56:37 but i can not install them Feb 09 23:56:39 the command Feb 09 23:56:59 ipkg install Feb 09 23:57:01 no va Feb 09 23:57:21 hahahaa Feb 09 23:57:45 ??? Feb 09 23:57:47 opkg Feb 09 23:57:52 have you tried compiling it for lafonera? or you just did take the ipkg from a linksys router? Feb 09 23:58:06 or you just did $ ipkg install to no avail Feb 09 23:58:11 como va a ir, hombre de dios? Feb 09 23:58:16 i am getting la fonera packages Feb 09 23:58:17 http://mobileaccess.de/fonera/bin/packages/ Feb 09 23:58:32 sorry newbie here... Feb 09 23:58:58 that is fonera, not fonera 2.0 Feb 09 23:59:02 use opkg Feb 09 23:59:06 not ipkg Feb 09 23:59:12 si lo supiera no estaria preguntando Feb 09 23:59:15 ;) Feb 09 23:59:16 ? Feb 09 23:59:25 sorry only speak english and german ;) Feb 09 23:59:30 it is too different Feb 09 23:59:35 the fonera and fonera 2 Feb 09 23:59:38 packages? Feb 09 23:59:40 and english and spanish xD Feb 09 23:59:46 no Feb 10 00:00:03 not any different source-wise Feb 10 00:00:14 i´ll give it a go... Feb 10 00:00:29 sorry need to disconnect now Feb 10 00:00:29 because i got a mac book air Feb 10 00:00:34 (no ehternet) Feb 10 00:00:36 the best way to do things for fonera 2.0 is to retrieve the source from http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng Feb 10 00:00:51 and compile your packages in there Feb 10 00:00:51 cool Feb 10 00:00:55 thats a good tip Feb 10 00:01:17 thatz what i was looking for Feb 10 00:01:32 so i do not just ask dumb questions Feb 10 00:01:35 you can add your package for aircark-ng http://svn.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/trunk/openwrt/package/ Feb 10 00:01:43 in your local copy, compile it Feb 10 00:01:52 and then you are set Feb 10 00:02:00 cool Feb 10 00:02:20 so i compile with opkg Feb 10 00:02:22 ? Feb 10 00:02:25 yes, undersanding cross compiling as a whole will help you for any further development Feb 10 00:02:33 no, you just check out and compile Feb 10 00:02:40 svn co http://svn.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/trunk/ Feb 10 00:02:45 ./install.sh Feb 10 00:03:01 cd openwrt && make menuconfig (then just save and exit) and $ make Feb 10 00:03:38 then you can see in the source how things are organized in packages/ Feb 10 00:03:47 and add your own for aircrack-ng Feb 10 00:04:06 the chances are that you can just copy the entire directory and Makefiles from openwrt kamikaze Feb 10 00:04:28 cool pablo, many thanks will give it a go... Feb 10 00:04:35 yes, try it Feb 10 00:04:56 sorry for my newbiness Feb 10 00:04:58 i am writing a guide on how to develop and compile plugins for la fonera 2.0 Feb 10 00:05:22 that would be great to people that are not that used to linux like me... Feb 10 00:05:38 g'nite all Feb 10 00:05:42 it is just not finished, because i got to the part about luci integration and i prefer to understand things before writing about them, Feb 10 00:06:20 but for someone used to the usual configure && make thing in POSIX systems, compiling in la fonera is not that hard Feb 10 00:06:21 thanks blogic Feb 10 00:07:04 just tricky and full of caveats for someone not used to a cross-compiling buildroot Feb 10 00:07:25 or someone that understanding of linux Feb 10 00:07:31 goes to "ls" Feb 10 00:08:09 ok, someone for wich linux use goes just to doing "ls" "cd" and the like is another target for the guide Feb 10 00:08:32 for the "references" chapter :) but, hey, it is not a bad way to get aquinted with linux development Feb 10 00:08:49 but a step curve, i think Feb 10 00:09:23 jejejeje Feb 10 00:09:31 actually i know alittle more Feb 10 00:09:38 but not used to compile Feb 10 00:09:59 ok Feb 10 00:10:16 i think getting an firmware image to compile in your Mac OS X is a good start Feb 10 00:16:52 cool Feb 10 00:16:53 pablo Feb 10 00:16:57 i got it Feb 10 00:17:18 i used the opkg command that blogic suggested Feb 10 00:17:25 it looks like working now. Feb 10 00:17:37 where should I document my findings? Feb 10 00:17:47 on the wiki? Feb 10 00:17:56 do u think they are of any interest? Feb 10 00:19:15 ok gotta disconect now because i am going to la fonera Feb 10 00:19:55 em Feb 10 00:20:14 if i recall you had a blog? Feb 10 00:21:36 document your findings there, both for yourself and for everyone else to know how someone discover openwrt development :) Feb 10 01:12:34 how can i run a command on the background on fonera? Feb 10 01:19:29 edgarg_: command & **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 10 02:59:57 2009