**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 07 02:59:58 2009 Apr 07 05:30:47 http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/06/2146225&art_pos=4 Apr 07 06:46:29 Hi! Buongiorno! Apr 07 07:52:56 http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/06/2146225 Apr 07 08:20:55 Good morning. Apr 07 08:23:44 http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=en&hl=en&q=la+fonera Apr 07 08:25:03 hi Apr 07 08:53:08 A guy asked in the spanish board if there is the possibility for LF2 to use a swap file on the hard disk. Is this impossible? Apr 07 08:53:53 technically it is Apr 07 08:54:11 actually I think Danicasti or some other italian guy did Apr 07 08:54:24 Wouldn't this help to solve problems with memory lack? Apr 07 08:54:32 swap osslow Apr 07 08:54:37 swap is slow Apr 07 08:54:50 true Apr 07 08:55:42 The guy asked how to install swapon. I told him to enter this chat or suscribe the maillist. Apr 07 08:55:49 ok Apr 07 08:59:13 swapon to a usb stick is stupid Apr 07 09:01:44 too slow for a good performance? Apr 07 09:07:29 swap kills the usb stick Apr 07 09:08:23 aha, too many read-write cycles... Apr 07 09:08:49 but, what if we're using a hard disk instead? Apr 07 09:09:04 it should work Apr 07 09:09:46 But, as blogic pointed, what about perfomance? Apr 07 09:11:52 swap is always slow compared to ram Apr 07 09:46:44 swap on usb stick is good if the swapping is a very rare event, but it would kill the device if it couldn't swap somewhere in that very rare case Apr 07 09:47:07 I always put a swap partition next to the rootfs on a usb stick-based device. Apr 07 09:47:36 random OOM crashes are more expensive to my time than cheap memory sticks Apr 07 09:54:09 iurgi: perhaps we are trying iosonoio to swap file to HD... Apr 07 10:16:29 Hi all Apr 07 10:16:59 hi Apr 07 10:17:48 Got only one question how can I open a port but restricted to an ip Apr 07 10:24:29 No one got an answer ? Apr 07 10:24:31 I guess you can do it in the firewall? Apr 07 10:24:39 Where exactly ? Apr 07 10:24:42 on the webif ? Apr 07 10:24:53 web interface, yes Apr 07 10:25:01 settings->firewall Apr 07 10:27:10 Got a strange bug sometimes when I access the webif the F2 reboos ? wired ! Apr 07 10:27:16 reboot Apr 07 10:27:46 hello. i'd like to ask a simple question about the new fonera 2.0 Apr 07 10:28:02 i heard it's based on a linux kernel Apr 07 10:28:22 now, how deep am i allowed to hack into the system? root access is an option? Apr 07 10:28:38 iurgi : I can open a port but how you say "Open for ip x.x.x.x" Apr 07 10:29:00 lordofthelake: You got root acces on developer edition Apr 07 10:29:03 lordofthelake: full access Apr 07 10:29:08 lordofthelake: it is openwrt based Apr 07 10:29:12 ah blogic is there Apr 07 10:29:13 lordofthelake: trac.fonosfera.org Apr 07 10:29:22 lordofthelake: under that url you get all source code Apr 07 10:29:47 lordofthelake: it is 100% hackable Apr 07 10:29:47 blogic how can I make a fw rule : I want to open the webif on wan but only to certain ip addresses Apr 07 10:29:57 lordofthelake: and if you find a problem, tell me and i will fix it Apr 07 10:30:08 TeigneuX: hmm yes, by hand Apr 07 10:30:10 thank you. is there a link where i can find the hardware specs? cpu, ram, internal memory.. Apr 07 10:30:18 the firewall is openwrt uci_firewall based Apr 07 10:30:24 lordofthelake: hmmm Apr 07 10:31:10 CPU: atheros 2315 180MHz Apr 07 10:31:16 RAM: 32MB Apr 07 10:31:20 Flash: 8MB Apr 07 10:31:28 you need chip models? or is that enough? Apr 07 10:31:42 usb2.0 Apr 07 10:31:44 :) Apr 07 10:31:52 + a really cool firmware Apr 07 10:32:03 the coolest ;) Apr 07 10:32:09 its the first firmware i used, where you dont have the wish to replace it with openwrt Apr 07 10:32:18 hehehe Apr 07 10:32:25 * blogic loves the firmware he made Apr 07 10:32:28 iurgi: for now it's enough, thank you very much. any link i can bookmark for future reference? i'm going to do some comparisons with other routers :) Apr 07 10:32:42 lordofthelake: ok, 1 sec, i have a link Apr 07 10:32:52 blogic, thx Apr 07 10:33:09 lordofthelake: http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/La_Fonera_2.0 Apr 07 10:33:48 blogic: perfect :) Apr 07 10:33:55 lordofthelake: compare... Apr 07 10:34:00 and if you find anything better Apr 07 10:34:01 let us know Apr 07 10:34:12 lordofthelake: we found no better moey/value Apr 07 10:36:05 iurgi, blogic: as router is very good, but, since i already have one, i was considering some hybrid solution for making a small home media server/nas/torrent downloader and such Apr 07 10:36:32 lordofthelake: in that case the fonera is what oyu are looking for := Apr 07 10:36:34 lordofthelake: in that case the fonera is what oyu are looking for :) Apr 07 10:36:43 the f2.0 intrigued me, but actually in my charts it's competing with devices like the sheevaplug Apr 07 10:36:55 lordofthelake: that's the real purpose of the fonera Apr 07 10:37:06 sheevaplug? Apr 07 10:37:09 http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp Apr 07 10:37:31 it's a plug computer.. more powerful than la fonera, and a bit more expensive Apr 07 10:37:34 the sheeva plug costs 2x and has no wifi Apr 07 10:37:59 and sheeva plug /pogoplug wont ship for 2 months Apr 07 10:39:26 blogic, i know. i have already a wifi router and no hurry, that's why i'm comparing. the plus of the sheevaplug is that it's a ghz-class pc.. 1.6ghz cpu, 512mb ram, 512mb solid hdd Apr 07 10:39:33 they are simply different Apr 07 10:39:43 yes Apr 07 10:39:49 that's why i'm considering which is the best solution for my needs Apr 07 10:39:56 lordofthelake: i ordered a sheevaplug to checkou the firmware Apr 07 10:40:01 :) Apr 07 10:40:13 i want to see how their firmware and our compares Apr 07 10:40:22 blogic, that's good news for me :) Apr 07 10:40:29 hehe Apr 07 10:40:40 but it is marvel software, so i guess ours will be better Apr 07 10:40:52 so i'll have someone who will try both for me.. can we keep in touch about this? Apr 07 10:41:04 sure Apr 07 10:41:07 sheeva plug would be an idal platform for the fon 2.0 firmware (torrent, streaming, ...) Apr 07 10:41:12 john.crsipin@fon.com Apr 07 10:41:16 xMff: i know Apr 07 10:41:43 blogic, thank you. mine is h1dd3nm4n@yahoo.it Apr 07 10:42:20 gtg now, thank you for the help. you guys have been very supportive. bye Apr 07 10:43:00 oops Apr 07 10:43:03 typo in the mail Apr 07 10:43:04 :) Apr 07 10:46:59 blogic, is this marvel thing x86 Apr 07 10:47:00 ? Apr 07 10:47:12 the price is amazing Apr 07 10:47:52 inouk: it's arm Apr 07 10:48:06 arm9 Apr 07 10:48:13 its a feroceon core imho Apr 07 10:48:28 the kirkwood rocks, but has no pci and therefoe no wifi Apr 07 10:52:06 ah ok arm... Apr 07 10:52:26 i have no idea how this would perform Apr 07 10:52:46 does it have a ruff x86 equivalent? Apr 07 10:52:57 no Apr 07 10:56:05 ok but is it an embeded thing or can it run a window manager? Apr 07 10:57:06 it has no lvds/dvi/hdmi.... Apr 07 10:59:15 lol Apr 07 10:59:28 right stupid question of mine Apr 07 11:00:42 inouk: if you like fancy things... you might run an xserver and connect remotely to it Apr 07 11:00:51 your graphic card would draw the windows Apr 07 11:00:53 :D Apr 07 11:00:54 lol Apr 07 11:02:25 men only need a console Apr 07 11:02:33 :-d Apr 07 11:07:41 iurgi, not really in that kind of stuff Apr 07 11:29:26 blogic: the sheevaplug development kit has SDIO so WiFi ist possible without blocking the USB ;) Apr 07 11:29:43 reat sdio with ar6x ` Apr 07 11:29:44 lol Apr 07 11:29:46 have fun Apr 07 11:29:52 it broke mokos neck Apr 07 11:30:27 bbl Apr 07 11:30:37 blogic Apr 07 11:30:46 yes by hand for the fw but what file ? Apr 07 11:30:47 TeigneuX: Apr 07 11:30:54 /etc/config/firewall Apr 07 11:31:23 Hum got a syntax or a man ? Apr 07 11:34:24 blogic : is there a man ? Apr 07 11:43:13 no Apr 07 11:49:45 Can it be done on the wiki ? Apr 07 11:49:50 plllllzzzzzz Apr 07 12:05:38 http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs(2f)Kamikaze(2f)FirewallConfiguration.html Apr 07 14:06:56 msg Decodecoding holw Apr 07 14:07:12 yes? Apr 07 14:08:47 Decodecoding: I'm tlaking to you in a private window Apr 07 14:08:50 do you see it? Apr 07 14:08:57 nope Apr 07 14:09:09 ok, let's do it here then Apr 07 14:09:11 spanish, ok? Apr 07 14:09:17 now I do Apr 07 14:09:20 ah Apr 07 14:09:21 ok Apr 07 14:09:25 Spanish is ok if you prefer Apr 07 14:46:19 hello, how can i give a static ipnr to a certan pc with a mac-address ? Apr 07 14:46:39 yanu: by waiting on rc2 Apr 07 14:46:44 I heard in udhcpd.conf, but where can i find that file Apr 07 14:46:54 ach, ok ;) Apr 07 14:47:04 yanu: coming very soon Apr 07 14:47:10 yanu: RC2 has an option for this in the webui Apr 07 14:47:18 That feature will please me too Apr 07 14:47:19 yanu: we know it was misisng :) so we added it Apr 07 14:47:21 and manually Apr 07 14:47:54 manually you need to fix /etc/fonstated/RestartDnsmasq Apr 07 14:48:06 and add --dhcp-host= options Apr 07 14:56:14 hmm to hard for me ... Apr 07 14:56:19 ok Apr 07 14:56:21 but thx for the info! Apr 07 14:56:23 wait 24 hours Apr 07 14:56:30 rc2 will be out within 24 hours Apr 07 14:57:12 i'll do, keep up the good work Apr 07 15:00:02 i will Apr 07 15:00:03 :) Apr 07 17:19:19 Hi Apr 07 17:19:36 Does someone know if the issue about Picasa has been fixed ? Apr 07 17:19:55 what issue was that ? Apr 07 17:21:21 yes Apr 07 17:21:22 it has Apr 07 17:21:33 blogic: uploading many pics crashed the fonera Apr 07 17:21:35 oom Apr 07 17:21:56 ah yes Apr 07 17:21:58 we fixed it Apr 07 17:22:01 of course Apr 07 17:22:03 How many about Pics ? Apr 07 17:22:12 i tested 400 pics Apr 07 17:22:14 no problem Apr 07 17:22:15 jackbell16: depended on many factors Apr 07 17:22:25 jackbell16: the bug is fixed Apr 07 17:22:27 between 5-20 was already enough to crash it Apr 07 17:22:33 jackbell16: rc2 is coming right now Apr 07 17:22:48 For exemple my pics are 4 megabites eachone Apr 07 17:23:18 jackbell16: it was not the size bt the amount that crashed Apr 07 17:23:23 jackbell16: it is fixed now Apr 07 17:23:32 jackbell16: the pics are not loaded into memory Apr 07 17:23:33 and I wanted to upload some days ago but my la Fonera 2 crashed Apr 07 17:23:43 Now I'm going to try it Apr 07 17:23:58 jackbell16: you shuoldn't try until you've upgraded Apr 07 17:23:59 :) Apr 07 17:23:59 jackbell16: have you installed the bug fix ? Apr 07 17:24:53 blogic: fuck Apr 07 17:24:55 come on!! Apr 07 17:24:58 you scared him Apr 07 17:24:58 ? Apr 07 17:24:59 lol Apr 07 17:25:02 haha Apr 07 17:25:10 i think he tried it Apr 07 17:25:11 :) Apr 07 17:25:12 haha Apr 07 17:25:14 hehe Apr 07 17:25:18 and crashed Apr 07 17:25:21 yeah Apr 07 17:25:24 he will be back in a sec telling us the bug is not fixed Apr 07 17:25:32 lol Apr 07 17:25:39 iurgi: stop chatting, get rc2 on the server Apr 07 17:25:58 not yet Apr 07 17:26:00 * iurgi is testing Apr 07 17:26:20 iurgi: stop chatting, get tetsing Apr 07 17:26:38 * blogic wants to leave into his first free weekend in 8 months Apr 07 17:26:41 common !!1 Apr 07 17:26:42 :) Apr 07 17:26:53 * iurgi is not touching the keyboard anymore Apr 07 17:27:11 * iurgi found abug! Apr 07 17:29:31 someone tested printer with RC1 ? Apr 07 17:30:45 i'm installing this in window, i'm not sure what the procedure is Apr 07 17:30:54 shall i enter root/admin or fonero/admin? Apr 07 17:30:56 oh dear Apr 07 17:31:02 and you're the customer care guy?!!??! Apr 07 17:31:10 fon's all fucked up! Apr 07 17:31:11 lol Apr 07 17:31:27 inouk: user/pass for the printer? why? Apr 07 17:32:23 iurgi, do you know how to install a printer? Apr 07 17:32:29 in window? Apr 07 17:32:30 yup Apr 07 17:32:40 1) install it in windows Apr 07 17:32:53 2) edit properties to make it a network printer Apr 07 17:32:59 3) plug to the fonera and test Apr 07 17:35:53 ... i didn't think that i had to connect it to the computer Apr 07 17:36:18 and iurgi my job isn't to install printer Apr 07 17:36:40 inouk: certainly not Apr 07 17:36:43 1) it was a joke Apr 07 17:36:53 2) you need to answer to the users that don't know how to do it Apr 07 17:36:59 not? Apr 07 17:37:46 that's why i try to do it myself ;) Apr 07 17:38:33 is it the same procedure like adding a CUPS printer under win? Apr 07 17:38:56 inouk: ask customer care :) Apr 07 17:40:01 CyrusFF, i think not Apr 07 17:40:47 you never have to connect the actual printer to the computer with CUPS Apr 07 17:40:54 yes Apr 07 17:40:54 if i'm not mistaken Apr 07 17:41:01 inouk: http://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=15382 Apr 07 17:41:13 at the very bottom Apr 07 17:41:16 google is great Apr 07 17:43:19 blogic, that was the kind of procedure i was following Apr 07 17:43:23 ok Apr 07 17:43:27 and did it not work ? Apr 07 17:43:37 but iurgi told me it has not to ask password Apr 07 17:44:05 blogic, with fonero/admin Apr 07 17:44:11 didn't work Apr 07 17:44:19 see, there's 2 ways Apr 07 17:44:30 1) plug the printer to the fonera Apr 07 17:44:36 root/admin Apr 07 17:44:45 fonero is not a user name Apr 07 17:44:58 2) try to install a printer in windows like that (most of the new drivers won't let you since they are 40MB applications) Apr 07 17:45:06 that's the first way Apr 07 17:45:09 the second is Apr 07 17:45:16 1) install the printer normally in windows Apr 07 17:45:21 2) plug it in la fonera Apr 07 17:45:28 3) change printer properties in windows Apr 07 17:48:38 iurgi, ok so you advise second method Apr 07 17:49:14 i'm strugling to install the driver right now :) Apr 07 18:27:55 anyone there? Apr 07 18:29:31 Hi! Apr 07 18:29:56 wait 15secs Apr 07 18:31:55 http://blog.fonosfera.org/rc2-is-here-and-is-better-than-rc1/ Apr 07 18:31:56 there you go Apr 07 18:32:50 OK!!!! I Try!!! Apr 07 18:33:43 iurgi: would be a suprise if rc2 was worse then rc1, wouldn't it? ;-) Apr 07 18:34:31 *than Apr 07 18:34:54 that's the fasest 24h i ever have seen :-D Apr 07 19:53:50 Well. RC2 flashed Apr 07 19:55:18 for ssh-access, that needs a reboot, is that normal? Apr 07 19:58:35 yes Apr 07 19:58:52 I can't access ssh from wan Apr 07 19:59:20 you have to give access, see webgui Apr 07 19:59:38 I did. But I'll check again Apr 07 20:18:39 no ssh or webgui from ssh... :'( Apr 07 20:18:51 from WAN Apr 07 21:26:35 ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 08 02:59:57 2009