**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 20 02:59:57 2009
May 20 06:37:28 <Danicasti> Hi! Buongiorno!
May 20 08:19:34 <voorstad> ** still listening to the 'sound of silence' on my USB soundcard :-( **
May 20 08:34:33 <iurgi> hey, ho
May 20 08:34:36 <iurgi> let's go!
May 20 08:35:12 <blogic> ?
May 20 08:35:20 <blogic> choo choo ?
May 20 08:35:52 <Decodecoding> coffee time for me (H)
May 20 08:56:14 <Decodecoding> Hi again. May I set an offtopic question? (it is about linux)
May 20 09:21:28 <c_up> blogic, hast du das RS plugin schon testen können?
May 20 09:21:41 <blogic> nope
May 20 09:21:46 <blogic> ich hänge an was anderem
May 20 09:21:49 <blogic> nutze doch flipper
May 20 09:21:55 <blogic> da ist es doch schneller oder ?
May 20 09:22:13 <c_up> ja, aber dann geht dyndns nicht
May 20 09:22:33 <blogic> ah
May 20 09:22:35 <blogic> :)
May 20 09:22:40 <blogic> ich hoffe ich habe heute zeit
May 20 09:22:55 <c_up> kein ding, überleb ich schon
May 20 09:23:41 <c_up> kann ich eigentl das audio plugin 2.2.4.0 zu der RC1 hinzufügen, hab die usb soundkarte hier liegen. gruß
May 20 09:24:26 <blogic> sollte gehen, ja
May 20 09:24:39 <blogic> am freiutag oder montag kommt hoffe ich ne neue runde images + plugins
May 20 09:25:04 <c_up> wie wird das installiert? einfach bei firmware hochladen?
May 20 09:25:28 <Decodecoding> I think I understood friday or monday for new releases... (A)
May 20 09:26:01 <c_up> right
May 20 09:26:43 <blogic> c_up: da kommt ein knopf im applications menu
May 20 09:26:57 <blogic> wen du da dannd rückst installiert er ne neue firmware
May 20 09:26:58 <blogic> Decodecoding: :)
May 20 09:27:32 <Decodecoding> I'm improving my german... :-d
May 20 09:27:34 <c_up> also hochladen und dann das + im app menü
May 20 09:27:55 <blogic> ne
May 20 09:27:57 <blogic> nic hochladen
May 20 09:28:07 <blogic> der fon kann das selber ausm netz laden und updaten
May 20 09:28:19 <blogic> wenn eine neue firmware verfügbar ist, so erscheint ein button
May 20 09:28:26 <blogic> wenn du den drückst macht der fon den rest
May 20 09:28:53 <c_up> also warten bis neue firmware da ist
May 20 09:30:31 <c_up> das ist doch das passende plugin, oder 	music_1.0_fonera20_2.2.4.0_fon.tar.gz
May 20 09:30:50 <blogic> sollte gehen
May 20 09:30:53 <c_up> das bei anwendungen hochladen und dann das +
May 20 09:31:03 <blogic> ja
May 20 09:31:07 <c_up> test...
May 20 09:36:03 <c_up> installiert istr es, kann heut abend mal weitertesten, dann gibts feedback, danke!
May 20 14:07:39 <kazwo> isch verkauf disch
May 20 14:08:11 <xMff> Menschenhandel ist illegal
May 20 14:09:08 <iurgi> ?
May 20 14:09:16 <iurgi> me no understand
May 20 14:11:49 <kazwo> iurgi geht ganz billisch weg, is nurn ein bissle nebulös
May 20 14:12:15 <iurgi> sin duda alguna
May 20 14:13:00 <kazwo> muy bueno
May 20 14:13:25 <Decodecoding> yes to all
May 20 14:15:27 <kazwo> and now?
May 20 14:16:10 <kazwo> how much is the fish?
May 20 14:16:33 <iurgi> kazwo: do you have vista?
May 20 14:16:50 <kazwo> yes and windows 7
May 20 14:17:02 <iurgi> kazwo: can you try samba on both, please?
May 20 14:17:06 <iurgi> XD
May 20 14:17:21 <kazwo> okay, give me some minutes
May 20 14:17:25 <iurgi> sure
May 20 14:17:42 <Decodecoding> any news about samba?
May 20 14:22:56 <iurgi> Decodecoding: you asking me?
May 20 14:22:59 <iurgi> hmm
May 20 14:23:01 <iurgi> not really
May 20 14:23:08 <iurgi> I just want to get confirmation of the reported bugs
May 20 14:23:17 <iurgi> I don't have either vista or 7
May 20 14:23:53 <Decodecoding> Ok. I guess you mean the size detection issue, right?
May 20 14:24:30 <iurgi> yep
May 20 14:26:05 <Decodecoding> Did I tell you a hack in smb.conf solved that? It it a dirty trick, I know...
May 20 14:26:42 <iurgi> ah, no
May 20 14:26:45 <iurgi> you didn't
May 20 14:26:48 <iurgi> what hack?
May 20 14:28:37 <Decodecoding> in /etc/samba/smb.conf  change in [Media] section path = /tmp/mounts  for path = /tmp/mounts/(name of mounted disc)
May 20 14:29:07 <Decodecoding> With this, right disc size is detected instead of 14 Mb only
May 20 14:29:47 <Decodecoding> To test it I had to edit but no reboot or changes will be lost
May 20 14:32:52 <iurgi> ok
May 20 14:32:53 <iurgi> got it
May 20 14:33:11 <iurgi> so just adding the / at the end fixes it?
May 20 14:33:14 <iurgi> that's easy
May 20 14:33:18 <iurgi> I'll test and fix it now
May 20 14:33:20 <iurgi> thanks :D
May 20 14:33:27 <iurgi> well, can't test vista and 7
May 20 14:33:27 <Decodecoding> no
May 20 14:33:34 <iurgi> but I will test it doesn't break anything
May 20 14:33:37 <iurgi> ah
May 20 14:33:42 <iurgi> name of the mounted disk
May 20 14:33:43 <iurgi> ok ok
May 20 14:33:44 <iurgi> got it
May 20 14:33:58 <Decodecoding> right
May 20 14:34:22 <Decodecoding> that's the hardest part since that is a name that is user defined...
May 20 14:34:47 <Decodecoding> I wonder if that value can be used in the smb.conf file
May 20 14:35:25 <iurgi> we will see
May 20 14:35:32 <Decodecoding> The other dirty part about this is that only one disk is shared by samba...
May 20 14:35:35 <iurgi> there's a better solution for sure
May 20 14:35:41 <Decodecoding> I hope si
May 20 14:35:45 <Decodecoding> I hope so
May 20 14:35:45 <iurgi> and if not, we will do it the cleanest we can
May 20 14:36:21 <Decodecoding> This is an issue other people has reported in NAS devices and Vista
May 20 14:38:15 <iurgi> with other NAS devices?
May 20 14:38:45 <Decodecoding> Yeah, I don't remember what model
May 20 14:38:57 <iurgi> ok
May 20 14:39:09 <Decodecoding> well, I do, really it wasn't a device but FreeNAS distro
May 20 14:41:33 <Barbon> holà, some news?
May 20 14:53:29 <kazwo> iurgi:
May 20 14:53:31 <kazwo> vista and windows 7 at the default settings cannot connect to the samba server: wrong username.
May 20 14:53:31 <kazwo> after changing the Network security: LAN Manager authentication level from Send NTLMv2 response only (default on vista and win7) to Send LM & NTLM - use NTLMv2 session security if negotiated connect works.
May 20 14:53:31 <kazwo> fat vista64 ultimate: freespace=14,6 mb - used=284kb  // fat windows7 ultimate = 14,6 mb - used=284kb
May 20 14:53:31 <kazwo> exfat vista64 ultimate: freespace=14,2 mb - used=360kb  // exfat windows7 ultimate = 14,2 mb - used=360kb - access speed is very slow
May 20 14:53:32 <kazwo> fat32 vista64 ultimate: freespace=14,6 mb - used=284kb  // fat32 windows7 ultimate = 14,6 mb - used=284kb
May 20 14:53:34 <kazwo> ntfs vista64 ultimate: freespace=14,6 mb - used=284kb  // ntfs windows7 ultimate = 14,6 mb - used=284kb
May 20 14:54:03 <iurgi> great
May 20 14:54:08 <iurgi> thanks kazwo
May 20 14:54:16 <kazwo> no problem
May 20 14:54:57 <Decodecoding> kazwo, I guess you made the NTLMv2 changes with secpol.msc, right?
May 20 14:55:16 <kazwo> Decodecoding: yes
May 20 14:55:44 <Decodecoding> Those M$ bastards "forgot" including that in Vista Home versions....
May 20 14:56:14 <kazwo> only in buisness and ulitmate :(
May 20 14:56:25 <Decodecoding> yeah
May 20 14:58:08 <iurgi> I wonder why you still use M$
May 20 15:01:58 <kazwo> the cad software is only available for windows :(
May 20 15:03:19 <iurgi> kazwo: true
May 20 15:03:20 <iurgi> :(
May 20 15:05:35 <kazwo> afk - mowing the lawn
May 20 15:12:36 <Decodecoding> same reason for me
May 20 15:13:04 <Decodecoding> I could also choose Mac...
May 20 15:52:16 <Barbon> mmm
May 20 15:52:28 <Barbon> i tryed to configure firewall fonera and emule
May 20 15:52:33 <Barbon> is still blocked
May 20 15:52:49 <Barbon> also upnp dont work
May 20 15:53:11 <blogic> Barbon: you are using upnp behind nat i assume
May 20 15:53:54 <Barbon> yep
May 20 15:55:03 <Barbon> what is wifi internet mode?
May 20 15:55:42 <Barbon> is for connect to another wireless router?
May 20 15:55:59 <blogic> pnp does not work behind nat
May 20 15:56:54 <Barbon> ok, what about the ports?
May 20 15:57:13 <Barbon> with fonora 1 ddwrt (bridge mode) got no problem
May 20 15:57:31 <Barbon> but with fonera 2 dont work
May 20 15:57:44 <Decodecoding> I configured port for emule and I get high ID
May 20 15:57:54 <Barbon> mmm
May 20 15:58:09 <Barbon> maybe different router ip?
May 20 15:58:20 <Barbon> because my main router is 192.168.1.254
May 20 15:58:32 <Barbon> and fonera 2 192.168.10.1
May 20 15:58:55 <Barbon> if i try to change fonera ip it crash and cant connect to internet
May 20 15:59:17 <iurgi> barbon
May 20 15:59:24 <iurgi> what IP are you changing in the fonera?
May 20 16:03:48 <Barbon> 1 sec
May 20 16:04:17 <Barbon> the ip in network section
May 20 16:04:24 <iurgi> there are 2
May 20 16:04:27 <iurgi> internet
May 20 16:04:29 <iurgi> and LAN
May 20 16:04:45 <Barbon> in internet i use DHCP
May 20 16:04:53 <iurgi> ok
May 20 16:04:54 <iurgi> and in lan
May 20 16:04:58 <iurgi> what di dyou set
May 20 16:04:59 <iurgi> ?
May 20 16:05:07 <iurgi> let me guess: 192.168.1.x
May 20 16:05:30 <Barbon> it write 192.168.10.1
May 20 16:05:43 <iurgi> what did you set when it crashed?
May 20 16:06:28 <Barbon> i have set 192.168.1.253
May 20 16:06:34 <iurgi> smart guy
May 20 16:06:36 <iurgi> :)
May 20 16:06:39 <iurgi> you can't do that
May 20 16:06:45 <iurgi> the fonera will go crazy
May 20 16:06:58 <iurgi> you can't have the same network (192.168.1.x) on both interfaces
May 20 16:07:00 <iurgi> sorry
May 20 16:07:32 <Barbon> ah
May 20 16:07:41 <Barbon> so what i can do?
May 20 16:07:47 <iurgi> nothing
May 20 16:08:02 <blogic> Barbon: cya
May 20 16:09:24 <Barbon> i wait bridge feature
May 20 16:09:26 <Barbon> ;)
May 20 16:42:31 <burton-ng> hellO
May 20 16:43:07 <burton-ng> hi peps,does anybody knw if there is a chance to make 2 antenna hack work with originl fon firm?????
May 20 16:46:07 <iurgi> what is the 2 antenna hack?
May 20 16:51:14 <iurgi> burton-ng: ?
May 20 16:54:24 <burton-ng> lol
May 20 16:54:34 <burton-ng> i have added a second antena to an old fonera
May 20 16:54:39 <burton-ng> it is working with ddwrt
May 20 16:55:00 <burton-ng> but i don't know if there is a way to implement it by some openwrt adding
May 20 16:55:18 <burton-ng> you know sodering another antenna to the PCB
May 20 16:55:37 <iurgi> ah
May 20 16:55:40 <burton-ng> it would be great
May 20 16:55:42 <iurgi> you soldered a second antenna
May 20 16:55:46 <iurgi> hmmm
May 20 16:55:55 <iurgi> well, I'm not sure that is possible
May 20 16:55:56 <iurgi> I mean
May 20 16:56:08 <iurgi> if dd-wrt can do it, it can be done with openwrt
May 20 16:56:14 <burton-ng> well with openwrt it is...in kamikaze
May 20 16:56:52 <iurgi> but afaik, the hw does not detect this
May 20 16:56:58 <iurgi> are you sure it does?
May 20 16:57:23 <burton-ng> yeah i have tested with an amplifier
May 20 16:57:30 <burton-ng> if there is signal the led blinks
May 20 16:57:35 <burton-ng> and it actually does
May 20 16:57:49 <burton-ng> when in diversity mode
May 20 16:58:25 <iurgi> hmm
May 20 16:58:44 <iurgi> as far as I can remember, the hw detected only 2 antennas, the internal and the external
May 20 16:58:56 <iurgi> there's room for another, where you soldered yours
May 20 16:59:05 <iurgi> but at least I don't think it is detected form the kernel
May 20 16:59:10 <iurgi> but maybe it is...
May 20 16:59:39 <iurgi> what I can remember quite well is that when setting the diversity mode, you cannot chose what antennas should be in this mode
May 20 16:59:46 <burton-ng> does ddwrt have the same kernel as fon firm?
May 20 16:59:57 <iurgi> so I guess the only way to do it properly would be to leave the internal antenna disabled
May 20 17:00:00 <iurgi> and the other 2 enabled
May 20 17:00:07 <iurgi> and then set the diversity to your liking
May 20 17:00:25 <iurgi> I don't know, but afaik, the dd-wrt kernel was copied from openwrt's
May 20 17:00:30 <iurgi> so it is very likely the same
May 20 17:00:37 <iurgi> not as fine tuned probably, though
May 20 17:00:42 <iurgi> (the dd-wrt one)
May 20 17:00:45 <burton-ng> well maybe that's what ddwrt do ..it allows you to choose whhc does TX or RX also
May 20 17:00:59 <iurgi> yes, that's the kernel
May 20 17:01:13 <iurgi> but as I say, I don't remember seeing linux detect 3 antennas
May 20 17:01:16 <iurgi> I can check
May 20 17:01:35 <burton-ng> alright
May 20 17:01:54 <iurgi> hmmm
May 20 17:02:00 <iurgi> ok, I'm starting to remember
May 20 17:02:11 <iurgi> in /proc/sys/dev/wifi0/
May 20 17:02:17 <iurgi> you have the variable to control this
May 20 17:02:46 <iurgi> in the FON220x devices, the external, normal antenna is number 1
May 20 17:02:52 <iurgi> and the internal is number 0
May 20 17:03:10 <iurgi> so, if it does actually work... then I assume the non used antenna should be number 2
May 20 17:03:29 <burton-ng> so it only works with 2200....not 2100
May 20 17:03:44 <iurgi> in FON2100 I think it was the inverse
May 20 17:03:49 <iurgi> but I cna't be sure right now
May 20 17:03:55 <iurgi> 1 sec
May 20 17:04:30 <iurgi> ok
May 20 17:04:36 <iurgi> http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/AntennaDiversity
May 20 17:04:37 <burton-ng> wow if its possible it woud be great a little entry on wiki just to turn 2nd antenna on
May 20 17:05:03 <iurgi> that page is most you need
May 20 17:05:26 <iurgi> 0 in rxantenna or txantenna means automatic selection
May 20 17:05:35 <burton-ng> cool, so you mean that if i enter ssh and execute those things it'll get 2nd antenna doing its thing
May 20 17:05:41 <iurgi> 1 is one of the antennas, I think you'll have to find out wichi one
May 20 17:05:44 <iurgi> 2 is another
May 20 17:05:52 <iurgi> and... if it DOES exist, 3 should be the other one
May 20 17:06:02 <iurgi> yes
May 20 17:06:33 <iurgi> so, imagine you need antennas 1 and 3, assuming 2 is the internal microstrip antenna (the one that is a circuit)
May 20 17:07:16 <iurgi> then you need to edit /proc/sys/dev/wifi0/rxantenna and txantenna to say 0
May 20 17:07:23 <iurgi> and diversity to say 1
May 20 17:07:24 <iurgi> but
May 20 17:07:31 <iurgi> what I wanted to tell you with all this story
May 20 17:07:44 <iurgi> is that it doesn't seem to be a way to DISABLE one of the 3 antennas
May 20 17:08:05 <iurgi> if you set it all to auto and diversity on, the kernel will try to use the internal antenna too (the number 2)
May 20 17:08:11 <burton-ng> right..so the kernel doesn0t have the ability to work with 3...
May 20 17:08:13 <iurgi> and this is the worst thing you can do
May 20 17:08:19 <iurgi> it does
May 20 17:08:30 <burton-ng> aaah
May 20 17:08:35 <iurgi> but doing diversity with different types of antennas is probably the worst idea you could have
May 20 17:08:39 <iurgi> it's counterproductive
May 20 17:09:14 <burton-ng> yeah i intended to use 2 fontennas pointing to same area with a slight tilt on one of them
May 20 17:09:18 <iurgi> they have a very differenttx/rx diagram
May 20 17:09:29 <kazwo> hmmm a pig  squalls near my house. mysterious
May 20 17:09:47 <iurgi> so the comparation of the signals (the base for the diversity) is useless in this case
May 20 17:09:58 <burton-ng> right!
May 20 17:10:01 <iurgi> so, the only thing I can think of...
May 20 17:10:15 <iurgi> is using 1 antenna for rx and the other for tx
May 20 17:10:17 <iurgi> but no diversity
May 20 17:10:28 <iurgi> unless... there's a way to tell the kernel to disable antenna 2
May 20 17:10:34 <iurgi> but I don't think that's possible
May 20 17:10:40 <iurgi> so my guess is that dd-wrt is doing this wrong
May 20 17:10:53 <iurgi> and is giving worse performance, but people are not really able to tell
May 20 17:10:57 <iurgi> but I might be wrong
May 20 17:11:45 <burton-ng> yeah in addition i have seen people adding 2 antennas stuck to the fonera in such a low distance...that it might not be optimal at all
May 20 17:12:26 <burton-ng> another thing... now
May 20 17:12:49 <burton-ng> is webcam going to work through wan in med term?
May 20 17:12:54 <iurgi> hmmm
May 20 17:12:56 <burton-ng> i mean in F2
May 20 17:13:02 <iurgi> cannot assure it right now
May 20 17:13:13 <iurgi> we're having a lot of work on fixing rc1
May 20 17:13:19 <iurgi> and also on a few new projects
May 20 17:13:40 <burton-ng> i think it is becoming better each time
May 20 17:13:52 <kacer2k> iurgi algunos de los nuevos proyectos son de música?
May 20 17:14:00 <iurgi> kacer2k: si
May 20 17:14:01 <burton-ng> maybe you're reaching device's hardware limit
May 20 17:14:09 <iurgi> burton-ng: we did long ago
May 20 17:14:10 <iurgi> haha
May 20 17:14:17 <iurgi> but we're finetuning everything to make it smoother
May 20 17:14:19 <kacer2k> ole ole ole
May 20 17:14:19 <burton-ng> yeah...
May 20 17:14:30 <iurgi> torrent is a worrying one
May 20 17:14:40 <iurgi> but the new unworkable seems to work pretty well
May 20 17:14:52 <burton-ng> i think fonera can't handle torrent, and steady connections...really
May 20 17:14:54 <iurgi> the thing is we added an ugly bug on rc1 that made the overall performance drop a lot
May 20 17:15:06 <iurgi> burton-ng: well, it can't handle it as a PC
May 20 17:15:14 <burton-ng> lol yeah
May 20 17:15:17 <iurgi> but it is definitely able to download torrents
May 20 17:15:27 <burton-ng> music is laggy when "Multitasking"
May 20 17:15:28 <iurgi> I've downloaded a few full dvds
May 20 17:15:39 <iurgi> and same with rs and MU
May 20 17:15:45 <iurgi> that's why finetunning is so important
May 20 17:15:56 <iurgi> yeah... fonera is definitely nice for multitasking
May 20 17:15:59 <iurgi> too bad
May 20 17:16:06 <iurgi> well, apart from offereing wifi
May 20 17:16:07 <iurgi> :)
May 20 17:16:19 <burton-ng> i think we ask too much...
May 20 17:16:19 <iurgi> right now I'm transfering 2GB over ftp
May 20 17:16:22 <iurgi> and using wifi
May 20 17:16:25 <iurgi> and it's good so far
May 20 17:16:27 <burton-ng> lol
May 20 17:16:32 <iurgi> 1,2MB/s average on ftp
May 20 17:16:36 <iurgi> so... not too bad
May 20 17:17:41 <kacer2k> iurgi tienes por ahí algún plugin para probar de musica en la 2.2.6.0 RC por el 0.2 va un poco mal
May 20 17:18:00 <burton-ng> nmbd was a great feature
May 20 17:18:07 <burton-ng> it works flawless
May 20 17:18:09 <iurgi> kacer2k: tengo uno pero no va aun muy fino
May 20 17:18:32 <iurgi> a parte, la 2.2.6.0 tiene muchas mejoras pero el rendimiento no es muy bueno
May 20 17:18:40 <burton-ng> me llegó la tarjeta wireless la semana pasada! que bueno!
May 20 17:18:44 <kacer2k> si quieres pasarlo y que lo probemos un poco y te demos opiniones ya sabes
May 20 17:18:44 <burton-ng> 1.5€
May 20 17:18:46 <iurgi> pablo_bz esta currando en eso precisamente
May 20 17:18:58 <iurgi> kacer2k: sin duda, pero cuando funcione minimamente
May 20 17:18:58 <iurgi> jeje
May 20 17:19:08 <iurgi> no quiero que me bombardeeis con bugs que ya conozco
May 20 17:19:14 <iurgi> prefiero que corrijamos esos antes
May 20 17:19:27 <kacer2k> vale vale, pues nada cuando quieras ya sabesque tienes aquí uno para experiementar con el sonido :)
May 20 17:20:47 <iurgi> claro
May 20 17:20:48 <kacer2k> y ennorabuena por el 2.2.6.0 RC con las nuevas cosas que trae, yo creo que está muy bien (para lo que yo uso) y ayuda a la gente que no sabe tanto a la hora del samba. enhorabuena
May 20 17:20:58 <iurgi> si, eso mola
May 20 17:20:59 <iurgi> gracias
May 20 17:21:00 <kazwo> :o
May 20 17:21:11 <iurgi> por cierto, el otro dia alguien menciono tu nombre
May 20 17:21:14 <iurgi> bueno, tu nick
May 20 17:21:17 <iurgi> en la oficina
May 20 17:21:24 <iurgi> por algo de un blog
May 20 17:21:30 <iurgi> no me acuerdo cual
May 20 17:21:39 <iurgi> gizmodo o alguno asi
May 20 17:21:41 <iurgi> eres blogger?
May 20 17:21:47 <kacer2k> supongo que sería por el analisis que salio en xataka
May 20 17:21:52 <iurgi> ah xataka
May 20 17:21:53 <iurgi> eso
May 20 17:21:57 <iurgi> lo hiciste tu?
May 20 17:21:58 <kacer2k> no soy blogger
May 20 17:22:03 <kacer2k> pero le deje la fonera 2.0
May 20 17:22:09 <iurgi> ahhhhhhhh
May 20 17:22:10 <kacer2k> al tio de xataka
May 20 17:22:13 <iurgi> ok ok
May 20 17:22:15 <iurgi> le conoces?
May 20 17:22:21 <pablo_bz> hola
May 20 17:22:21 <kacer2k> ya he estado hablando con el un poco
May 20 17:22:26 <kacer2k> y le comente que fue a machete
May 20 17:22:34 <burton-ng> hola
May 20 17:22:35 <iurgi> la verdad, la review fue bastante buena (y justa)
May 20 17:22:36 <kacer2k> pero bueno
May 20 17:22:49 <iurgi> pero es una pena que hagan las reviews a estas alturas
May 20 17:22:49 <kacer2k> son opiniones sacadas sin influir y me parecen interesantes
May 20 17:23:12 <iurgi> es logico, pero como desarrollador preferiria que esperaran a que el softwre llevara un tiempo en el mercado
May 20 17:23:15 <burton-ng> las reviews con la fonera 2.0... son raras...porque esta aun en constante evolucion
May 20 17:23:23 <kacer2k> tengo que decir que son imparciales, yo le di unas cuntas opiniones
May 20 17:23:42 <iurgi> porque una cosa es que sea 'estable' y otra que no este aun maduro
May 20 17:23:43 <iurgi> si si
May 20 17:23:45 <kacer2k> pero como le conozco y somos vecinos del barrio
May 20 17:23:48 <iurgi> si la review esta genial
May 20 17:23:54 <kacer2k> pues me ha dicho que le tenga informado un poco
May 20 17:24:05 <iurgi> lo que quiero decir es que cuando sacamos el producto, esperamos recibir mucho feedback
May 20 17:24:08 <kacer2k> así que con las cosas buenas antes o despues puede que saque la evolución
May 20 17:24:08 <iurgi> y mejorarlo
May 20 17:24:16 <iurgi> me habria gustado que hiciera la review en agosto o asi
May 20 17:24:17 <iurgi> jeje
May 20 17:24:23 <iurgi> pero bueno, que le vamos a hacer
May 20 17:24:33 <kacer2k> agosto que viene??
May 20 17:24:37 <iurgi> burton-ng: exactamente
May 20 17:25:05 <kacer2k> si es así no hay problema, con los nuevos firm yo se la ire dejando y listo
May 20 17:25:14 <kacer2k> y bueno el ya si tienes tiempo y eso
May 20 17:25:17 <burton-ng> kacer2k tu tienes una plus?
May 20 17:25:28 <kacer2k> no
May 20 17:25:32 <burton-ng> vah
May 20 17:25:37 <iurgi> no nada en especial
May 20 17:25:39 <kacer2k> solo tengo una normal (que se la he regalado a mi hermano) y la 2.0
May 20 17:25:47 <iurgi> solo que el firmware llevara ya unos meses madurando con ell feedback de los usuarios
May 20 17:25:57 <burton-ng> quería ponerle freewlan para el heartbeat y dyndns
May 20 17:26:20 <burton-ng> y no he logrado acceder al ssh aun por que el firmware que lleva no se deja
May 20 17:26:20 <burton-ng> jajaj
May 20 17:26:20 <iurgi> el que del heartbeat?
May 20 17:26:43 <burton-ng> hay un tipo que ha hecho un plugin http://fonera.be
May 20 17:26:48 <kacer2k> burton-ng pues nada con esa no te puedo ayudar nada de nada
May 20 17:26:54 <burton-ng> para ver el estado de la conexion y sus clientes
May 20 17:26:56 <burton-ng> de cada fonera
May 20 17:27:02 <iurgi> burton-ng: no me hables de ese tio
May 20 17:27:06 <iurgi> que me pone de una mala hostia...
May 20 17:27:10 <iurgi> no se entera de NADA
May 20 17:27:19 <burton-ng> y estoy mirando como hacer un widget para tener la foenra controlada
May 20 17:27:20 <burton-ng> jajajja
May 20 17:27:26 <iurgi> es un paquete
May 20 17:27:32 <burton-ng> ajjajja
May 20 17:27:33 <iurgi> es el tipo tio que oye campanas y no sabe donde
May 20 17:27:39 <kacer2k> jejeje vaya buen rollito :)
May 20 17:27:46 <iurgi> se pasa el dia inventandose cosas... y sacando conclusiones de por que fon hace las cosas
May 20 17:27:52 <iurgi> y las publica en el foro, como si supiera
May 20 17:28:10 <iurgi> y luego prueba una cosa, le pasa algo y deduce que es por tal y por cual, cuando no tiene nada que ver
May 20 17:28:14 <burton-ng> el fonflasher lo hizo el?
May 20 17:28:20 <iurgi> y encima se queja de que eso que ha deducido el este mal
May 20 17:28:25 <iurgi> NI DE CONYA
May 20 17:28:26 <iurgi> jaja
May 20 17:28:28 <iurgi> ya le gustaria
May 20 17:28:31 <iurgi> no sabe programar
May 20 17:28:38 <burton-ng> aaah
May 20 17:28:43 <iurgi> jaja
May 20 17:28:56 <iurgi> no, no es programador
May 20 17:28:57 <burton-ng> que majete
May 20 17:29:05 <iurgi> foneraflasher lo hizo un aleman
May 20 17:29:15 <iurgi> si no recuerdo mal alguno de freewlan o freifunk
May 20 17:29:19 <iurgi> no estoy muy seguro, la verdad
May 20 17:29:24 <iurgi> pero desde luego que no el que yo dig
May 20 17:29:24 <iurgi> o
May 20 17:29:36 <iurgi> a ver si me voy a euqivocar... pero el de fonera.be creoo que es skynetbbs
May 20 17:30:20 <burton-ng> ah..si he leido algo syo en boards.fon.com
May 20 17:30:55 <iurgi> un pescao
May 20 17:31:03 <iurgi> en fin... no debería criticar a los usuario
May 20 17:31:04 <iurgi> s
May 20 17:31:05 <iurgi> :)
May 20 17:31:32 <burton-ng> no diremos nada
May 20 17:31:43 <burton-ng> :D
May 20 17:32:10 <burton-ng> kacer2k
May 20 17:32:13 <burton-ng> tu eres paisano mio
May 20 17:32:14 <burton-ng> jajajja
May 20 17:32:29 <burton-ng> y dices que se coencta peña en nuestra city?
May 20 17:32:37 <iurgi> de donde sois?
May 20 17:32:40 <kacer2k> es verdad burton-ng
May 20 17:33:01 <burton-ng> le otro día me calenté para ver si podía apuntar al hotel melia
May 20 17:33:05 <burton-ng> valladolid
May 20 17:33:09 <kacer2k> yo hace tiempo tuve bastantes conexiones y hasta llegue a ganar un dinerillo (todo para la fonera 2.0 y algo mas)
May 20 17:33:12 <burton-ng> con una antena de 18dbi jajaja
May 20 17:33:19 <burton-ng> y un ampli de .50watios
May 20 17:33:33 <burton-ng> y no se si le calenté a un el desayuno...
May 20 17:33:40 <burton-ng> pero de conexiones 0
May 20 17:33:40 <kacer2k> la fonera 2.0 no se si llegaba hasta 120mW
May 20 17:33:49 <burton-ng> 63mw
May 20 17:33:54 <kacer2k> y creo que solo trabaja a 50mW
May 20 17:34:09 <kacer2k> que se le puede sacar algún dbm
May 20 17:34:16 <iurgi> hahaha
May 20 17:34:18 <iurgi> que animales
May 20 17:34:21 <kacer2k> es verdad 63
May 20 17:34:26 <iurgi> hmmm
May 20 17:34:28 <iurgi> a ver
May 20 17:34:35 <iurgi> aumentar la potencia no siempre es productivo
May 20 17:34:41 <burton-ng> iwlist wlan0 tx
May 20 17:34:43 <iurgi> lo digo para que no os volvais locos con eso
May 20 17:34:49 <iurgi> burton-ng: eso no vale para casi nada
May 20 17:34:51 <burton-ng> ya hace mucho ruido
May 20 17:34:56 <iurgi> no solo eso
May 20 17:35:17 <iurgi> si te paras a pensarlo, estas haciendo que tu señal llegue mas fuerte al otro lado, o mas lejos, vamos
May 20 17:35:20 <iurgi> peeeeeeeeeeeero...
May 20 17:35:22 <kacer2k> no vamos yo no toco la potencia pero por si quería sacar algo mas
May 20 17:35:28 <iurgi> le senyal del otro lado... sigue siendo igual
May 20 17:35:36 <iurgi> para que te hagas una idea
May 20 17:35:41 <burton-ng> cierto
May 20 17:35:44 <iurgi> es como si yo me pongo a un kilometro tuyo
May 20 17:35:48 <iurgi> con un altavoz
May 20 17:35:52 <iurgi> tu tal vez me oigas...
May 20 17:35:55 <iurgi> pero yo a ti no
May 20 17:35:55 <iurgi> :)
May 20 17:36:03 <iurgi> por tanto... no vale de mucho
May 20 17:36:14 <iurgi> al unica solucion es poner una buena antena
May 20 17:36:16 <iurgi> eso SI ayuda
May 20 17:36:21 <burton-ng> eso solo vale para enlazar
May 20 17:36:26 <burton-ng> usando antneas parecidas claro
May 20 17:36:46 <iurgi> porque una buena antena lo que hace es que tu me oigas a 1KM de distancia porque te mando el sonido muy bien apuntado
May 20 17:36:49 <iurgi> pero a la vez
May 20 17:37:01 <kacer2k> burton-ng entonces para donde vives? yo vivo para parquesol
May 20 17:37:04 <iurgi> tengo un aparato en la oreja que me ayuda a recibir lo que viene desde tu direccion
May 20 17:37:08 <iurgi> eso es lo que hace una antena
May 20 17:37:09 <burton-ng> plaza toros
May 20 17:37:22 <iurgi> si quieres dar cobertura al hotel, pillate una antena decente
May 20 17:37:37 <iurgi> con un punto de acceso wifi normal, yo he visto coberturas a 1Km sin problemas
May 20 17:37:40 <kacer2k> pues lo de un hotel yo creo que es muy interesante
May 20 17:37:46 <iurgi> y sin ser muy direccionales
May 20 17:37:59 <burton-ng> ya..esa q tengo de 18dbi no es práctica
May 20 17:38:02 <iurgi> sino una antena direccional de una apertura de entre 60 y 80 grados
May 20 17:38:03 <burton-ng> prefiero la fontena
May 20 17:38:12 <iurgi> 18dBi es demasiado directiva
May 20 17:38:17 <burton-ng> s
May 20 17:38:25 <burton-ng> irugi eso es...
May 20 17:38:32 <iurgi> como decias... le puedes freir el desayuno a alguno... pero nada de cobertura a la habitacion de al lado
May 20 17:38:34 <burton-ng> iurgi*
May 20 17:38:34 <burton-ng> jajaj
May 20 17:38:35 <iurgi> jeje
May 20 17:38:45 <kacer2k> yo en pucelawireless vi enlaces con visión directa flipantes y con una buena omni cubrir todo un edificio
May 20 17:38:53 <iurgi> si
May 20 17:39:05 <burton-ng> lo malo de las buenas omnis es que cierran mucho el campo en hrizontal
May 20 17:39:07 <iurgi> burton-ng: a que distancia del hotel estas?
May 20 17:39:16 <burton-ng> y te quedas sin enviar y recibir por arrib y abajo
May 20 17:39:22 <iurgi> burton-ng: exacto
May 20 17:39:23 <Styx``> http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=install_fonera&DokuWiki=fc827ec8c258607b3d8a958ad19e5d79
May 20 17:39:26 <Styx``> here
May 20 17:39:29 <burton-ng> 250m en linea recta pero con edificio en medio!
May 20 17:39:36 <Styx``> this step : First pull the SVN trunk and packages from the OpenWRT SVN server
May 20 17:39:37 <iurgi> uf
May 20 17:39:41 <iurgi> con edificio en medio jodido
May 20 17:39:44 <Styx``> I have to do it on my computer or on the fonera ?
May 20 17:39:47 <iurgi> bastante jodido
May 20 17:39:52 <iurgi> Styx``: no clue, checking
May 20 17:40:00 <burton-ng> peeero es de 3plantas... justo mi altura
May 20 17:40:14 <iurgi> The first step to get Aircrack-ng running on the Fon is to get the OpenWRT image on it first.
May 20 17:40:31 <Styx``> :/
May 20 17:40:32 <iurgi> pffff
May 20 17:40:34 <iurgi> aun asi jodido
May 20 17:40:42 <iurgi> Styx``: that's from that page
May 20 17:40:53 <burton-ng> estan construyendo uno delante de mi ca$$a
May 20 17:41:03 <Styx``> ok
May 20 17:42:00 <burton-ng> aircrack-ng is useless if you don0t have space on la fonera...you ahve to do lotsa tricks to get it working
May 20 17:42:15 <Styx``> argh :/ this is right ?
May 20 17:42:50 <burton-ng> yeah...tehre is a lot of info to get this done...using network folder is a work around
May 20 17:43:08 <burton-ng> but pple managed to get an SD working
May 20 17:43:13 <burton-ng> attached to la fonera GPIO
May 20 17:43:47 <iurgi> Styx``: yes... a friend of mine added an sd card and uses aircrack
May 20 17:43:53 <iurgi> but it needs a lot of work
May 20 17:43:53 <Styx``> ok
May 20 17:43:56 <Styx``> :/
May 20 17:43:58 <iurgi> with the f2 it might be easier
May 20 17:44:09 <iurgi> since you can plug in a usb flash drive
May 20 17:44:31 <burton-ng> absolutely
May 20 17:45:21 <Styx``> yes, you're right, but I have 5 Fonera 2100 :p
May 20 17:45:59 <burton-ng> 2100 is easier  than 2200 as it has the pins already i think
May 20 17:46:04 <Styx``> you mean you have no space to install aircrack-ng or to get the paquets ?
May 20 17:46:17 <burton-ng> to get the paquets
May 20 17:46:29 <burton-ng> the captured data
May 20 17:46:51 <Styx``> hmm, maybe it's possible to copy them to a computer by SSH (with SCP)
May 20 17:46:54 <Styx``> maybe not
May 20 17:47:16 <burton-ng> yeah but if you are thinking about doing some wardriving...
May 20 17:47:53 <burton-ng> the sd trick is not so difficult, i tell you
May 20 17:47:59 <Styx``> ok, i'll try it
May 20 17:48:14 <burton-ng> jsut buy a cheap sd card reader
May 20 17:48:22 <burton-ng> and follow the diagrams
May 20 17:48:28 <Styx``> yes, i'll find tutos
May 20 17:48:40 <burton-ng> then you have to map it each tiem it boots..or
May 20 17:49:04 <burton-ng> get it mapped doing instering the command
May 20 17:49:07 <burton-ng> in the boot line
May 20 17:49:42 <Styx``> :)
May 20 17:51:43 <Styx``> maybe you can install nfs on a Fonera and mount a distant partition
May 20 17:51:51 <iurgi> yes...
May 20 17:52:17 <iurgi> but then you need to bring your pc together with the fonera for the wardriving and have it connected to it etc etc
May 20 17:52:25 <iurgi> but it should be technically possible, imo
May 20 17:52:26 <iurgi> ok guys
May 20 17:52:29 * iurgi is leaving
May 20 17:52:33 <Styx``> bye
May 20 17:52:39 <Styx``> I'll try the software method, then hard
May 20 17:53:11 <burton-ng> ok
May 20 17:53:14 <burton-ng> tc
May 20 17:53:20 <Styx``> (tc ?)
May 20 17:53:33 <Styx``> (I'm french and my english ... hum)
May 20 19:47:35 <burton-ng> hello!
May 20 19:47:55 <burton-ng> i have read about installin fonera 2.0 firmware on a fonera+
May 20 19:48:09 <burton-ng> http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4764
May 20 19:48:33 <burton-ng> if something goes wrong am i able to go back to fon firmware?
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