**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 04 02:59:57 2009
Aug 04 06:14:05 <iurgi> hi
Aug 04 06:35:40 <iurgi> darn
Aug 04 06:35:43 <iurgi> I love this device
Aug 04 06:35:48 <iurgi> MoGo X54
Aug 04 06:36:02 <iurgi> I'm just testing it
Aug 04 06:36:06 <iurgi> it's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool
Aug 04 06:37:29 <Danicasti> Buongiorno!
Aug 04 06:38:43 <iurgi> buongiorno!
Aug 04 06:38:52 <iurgi> buonasera in japan...
Aug 04 06:40:22 <Danicasti> :)
Aug 04 08:46:04 <Danicasti> iurgi: the 2.2.6.0 for the F2G????
Aug 04 08:46:49 <iurgi> Danicasti: yes
Aug 04 08:48:32 <Danicasti> In the repository is lost?
Aug 04 08:48:40 <iurgi> ?
Aug 04 08:49:21 <Danicasti> is the cheeky?
Aug 04 08:50:03 <Danicasti> is for 2303
Aug 04 08:50:06 <Danicasti> ...
Aug 04 11:42:35 <deco-android> hello
Aug 04 13:14:50 <Decodecoding> Hi again
Aug 04 13:28:48 <Danicasti__> deco:yep!
Aug 04 14:48:05 <Yasuo> hiho
Aug 04 14:48:26 <Yasuo> is someone working on umts support? icon 225?
Aug 04 14:48:58 <Yasuo> tha wiki says "in progress" since some months
Aug 04 14:49:10 <Yasuo> but last change was in april
Aug 04 14:49:19 <iurgi> Yasuo: yes...
Aug 04 14:49:24 <iurgi> too busy with many things :(
Aug 04 14:49:28 <iurgi> will come eventually
Aug 04 14:49:33 <iurgi> but not in the very near future
Aug 04 14:49:43 <iurgi> it can be only a few weeks or maybe 2 months
Aug 04 14:49:45 <iurgi> sorry :(
Aug 04 14:49:56 <Decodecoding> That's why I got a Huawei E220 :-d
Aug 04 14:50:00 <Yasuo> hmm... is there aomeone working on it? there are 3 betatesters willing to help, we also put our names in the wiki
Aug 04 14:50:19 <iurgi> not actively working on it rightnow
Aug 04 14:50:25 <iurgi> when the wiki was edited, there was
Aug 04 14:50:29 <iurgi> now it's on standby
Aug 04 14:50:32 <iurgi> we will support it
Aug 04 14:50:37 <iurgi> but can't tell when :(
Aug 04 14:50:44 <iurgi> but we're happy to receive some help...
Aug 04 14:51:19 <Yasuo> i find it a bit disappointing the is put so many work on the torrent toy and not on getting Internet work (its a router in the end)
Aug 04 14:51:59 <iurgi> yes... well, it's a lanrouter mainly
Aug 04 14:52:06 <iurgi> the 3G isan extended feature
Aug 04 14:52:18 <iurgi> and it works with many dongles
Aug 04 14:52:21 <iurgi> justnot all
Aug 04 14:52:37 <iurgi> also, we can't make all dongles work in notimeandwe don't have allavailabledonglesof the market
Aug 04 14:53:49 <Yasuo> well i understand that but the driver is available as source and there are people willing to test it.
Aug 04 14:54:03 <Yasuo> Who is working on it, how can i help with my hardware?
Aug 04 14:54:33 <Yasuo> i bought 2 foneras to use with umts and they are retting in the box :(
Aug 04 14:54:38 <Yasuo> rotting
Aug 04 14:56:13 <iurgi> as I said nobody is actively working on it
Aug 04 14:56:35 <iurgi> the driver is available for anyone to adapt it same as the foenra sourcecode
Aug 04 14:56:46 <iurgi> I mean, I can't tell you "we will do it tomorrow" sorry
Aug 04 14:57:13 <Yasuo> than it was my fault believing what the wiki said and buying the router
Aug 04 14:57:48 <Yasuo> well i would if i could, i can hardly do it on my workstation
Aug 04 14:57:49 <iurgi> if you want to take it like this...
Aug 04 14:57:54 <Yasuo> is tehre a howto how to implent drivers?
Aug 04 14:57:59 <iurgi> the driver was work in progress at that time
Aug 04 14:58:08 <iurgi> shouldn't be a huge deal...
Aug 04 14:58:15 <iurgi> but I guess you need good linux skill
Aug 04 14:58:15 <iurgi> s
Aug 04 14:58:52 <Yasuo> theese statements do conflict
Aug 04 14:59:32 <iurgi> which ones?
Aug 04 14:59:34 <Yasuo> on ma workstation i can just untar them, do teh role of three and it works
Aug 04 15:00:24 <Yasuo> there is not even a "make" on fonera, so where do i start?
Aug 04 15:01:29 <kazwo> http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/wiki/build
Aug 04 15:02:21 <iurgi> thanks kazwo
Aug 04 15:04:37 <Yasuo> thanks. How do implent foreign drivers/modules?
Aug 04 15:05:58 <iurgi> well
Aug 04 15:06:05 <iurgi> first you should be able to build the firmware
Aug 04 15:06:27 <iurgi> then you probably need to figure out why the icon is not working
Aug 04 15:06:35 <iurgi> when plugging it in the fonera
Aug 04 15:07:14 <Yasuo> you mean it is already imlented but not working?
Aug 04 15:07:48 <Yasuo> i did not find any corresponding module when searching my fonera
Aug 04 15:08:20 <Yasuo> so my answer was "it is not working because there is no module"
Aug 04 15:10:08 <Yasuo> maybe i was wrong, but whats the point in building the whole firmware without the module and asking myself why its nor working?
Aug 04 15:11:18 <Yasuo> it would be nice if there where i little howto on implenting foreign drivers, primarily without rebuilding the whole system, maybe with headers etc.
Aug 04 15:15:54 <iurgi> well, there's plenty of documentation about this on openwrt
Aug 04 15:16:02 <iurgi> on which the firmware is based
Aug 04 15:16:08 <iurgi> it's more than good for a start
Aug 04 15:34:28 <Yasuo> guess tahts the knock-out argument. 3G is not a main feature (flickr is!), modules not even tried to implent are marked as "in progress", and if everything fails, i can still go back to openwrt. Hail to the free world!
Aug 04 15:35:16 <xMff> you'll need the hso driver
Aug 04 15:35:21 <iurgi> Yasuo: I'm sorry you're disappointed, but what can I tell you
Aug 04 15:35:44 <xMff> it's different from all the other devices which are usually based on usbserial
Aug 04 15:35:52 <iurgi> yes I will stop all the developments, change the roadmap, the priorities etc
Aug 04 15:35:54 <xMff> s/based on/controlled through/
Aug 04 15:36:24 <iurgi> and Yasuo I would appreciate that you treatedme as kindly as I did
Aug 04 15:36:38 <iurgi> "modules not even tried to implent are marked as "in progress"" is not very nice to say
Aug 04 15:37:01 <xMff> http://eng.stasoft.net/node/8
Aug 04 15:37:16 <iurgi> if you followed the mailing list and IRC , you would knwo there was actually quite some work done on the icon
Aug 04 15:38:16 <Yasuo> well im reading avery digest batch, or at least the topics and nothign about icon. i also tried to post but the mails never arrive
Aug 04 15:38:36 <iurgi> well, that's probably because you haven't suscribed
Aug 04 15:39:01 <Yasuo> shoulnd i be sibscribed when getting the list via email?
Aug 04 15:39:48 <iurgi> yes
Aug 04 15:39:53 <iurgi> to post mails, yes
Aug 04 15:39:54 <iurgi> Hi,
Aug 04 15:39:55 <iurgi> the device is supported already by the kernel, we are fixing the userland umts daemon up at the moment to be able to handle this device. it will be in either 2.2.6.0 or 2.2.7.0.
Aug 04 15:39:58 <iurgi> sorry, there are so many different umts devices, we will do our best to support all of them.
Aug 04 15:40:01 <iurgi> this is from the mailing list
Aug 04 15:40:12 <iurgi> 7th may
Aug 04 15:40:17 <iurgi> so yes, wewereworkingon it
Aug 04 15:40:24 <iurgi> just moreimportant stuff showed up
Aug 04 15:40:29 <iurgi> not flickr, but the fonera20n
Aug 04 15:40:33 <iurgi> and others
Aug 04 15:40:51 <iurgi> so, all I can say is: sorry, we will support it for sure but I can't give you a date
Aug 04 15:41:13 <iurgi> additionally, the magic of opensource is that you don't need fon to do everything
Aug 04 15:43:41 <Yasuo> iurgi im sorry for my rudeness, i know you guys are working hard. But when reading all these mailing list entries about torrent and what color the webinterface may have etc. etc. i just got frustrated. i sensed a totally perversion of priorities. Its a router in the end :(
Aug 04 15:44:20 <iurgi> Yasuo: yeah... but probably more people bought it for torrent than for 3G :(
Aug 04 15:45:13 <Yasuo> its not even a good NAS device, the data rates are terrible, so dont really gut this hype
Aug 04 15:45:49 <iurgi> well, it's not intended to be a NAS
Aug 04 15:46:00 <iurgi> NAS is an add on
Aug 04 15:46:04 <iurgi> that you can disable
Aug 04 15:46:22 <iurgi> we don't sell it as a NAS, but just say it has NAS functionality
Aug 04 15:46:45 <iurgi> and to some extend it's more usable than other nases
Aug 04 15:46:50 <iurgi> slower, true
Aug 04 15:46:52 <Yasuo> well the homepage says something different, they are advertising with if ;)
Aug 04 15:46:55 <iurgi> but easy to install
Aug 04 15:47:25 <iurgi> really?
Aug 04 15:47:27 <iurgi> the home page?
Aug 04 15:47:38 <Yasuo> fon.com => more infos
Aug 04 15:47:53 <iurgi> ah, not the home page
Aug 04 15:48:07 <Yasuo> well nas is even to slow to watch the downloaded torrentvideos via lan/wlan
Aug 04 15:48:11 <iurgi> Wireless network access
Aug 04 15:48:12 <iurgi> Hook up hard drives and access them and other home network devices via WiFi.
Aug 04 15:48:25 <iurgi> that's one in 10 senctences
Aug 04 15:48:30 <iurgi> not highlighted or anything
Aug 04 15:48:45 <iurgi> I don't think we're trying to compite with nas vendors
Aug 04 15:48:54 <iurgi> and we don't try to fool the users
Aug 04 15:49:38 <Yasuo> maybe not knowingly, but the people putting ußp the wegpage had there own reasons for sure
Aug 04 15:50:13 <Yasuo> well, however
Aug 04 15:50:13 <iurgi> well... I can't tell you much more
Aug 04 15:50:25 <iurgi> I understand your complains but I can't do much more
Aug 04 15:50:26 <Yasuo> thanks for your time, we will see what happens :)
Aug 04 15:51:10 <Yasuo> and surely your are not the one to be blamed ^^
Aug 04 15:51:11 <iurgi> no prob, feel free to ask
Aug 04 15:51:16 <iurgi> that's what we're here for
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