**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 27 02:59:57 2009
Aug 27 06:41:55 <Danicasti> Buongiorno!
Aug 27 07:19:52 <Andy80> hi all
Aug 27 07:25:22 <Andy80> is there any known bug in the FTP server of 2.2.6.0 RC5?
Aug 27 07:25:47 <Andy80> I cannot login with "fonero" and $password
Aug 27 07:27:32 <iurgi> hi all
Aug 27 07:27:37 <iurgi> hmmm
Aug 27 07:27:42 <iurgi> Andy80: did you recently upgrade?
Aug 27 07:28:30 <Andy80> iurgi, I was able to upgrade to RC5 :) a friend of mine went to my home and completed the setup, opening me the firewall so I was able to get into the web panel
Aug 27 07:29:14 <Andy80> anyway... even if I've installed 2.2.6.0 RC5, the version displayed is 2.2.5.0 RC5, but I think it's 2.2.6.0 because I'm using the Trasmission client
Aug 27 07:29:36 <iurgi> yes
Aug 27 07:29:43 <iurgi> well, if you upgraded using the webinterface
Aug 27 07:29:54 <iurgi> the password si kept unchanged for all applications...
Aug 27 07:29:56 <iurgi> except ftp
Aug 27 07:29:57 <blogic> Andy80: just rerset your password once please
Aug 27 07:29:57 <iurgi> :)
Aug 27 07:30:05 <iurgi> you need to set it again in the passwrod menu
Aug 27 07:30:06 <blogic> its a old bug
Aug 27 07:30:20 <Andy80> ok, I set it now
Aug 27 07:30:27 <Andy80> I set to a new one then I change it again :)
Aug 27 07:31:08 <iurgi> no need
Aug 27 07:31:13 <iurgi> you can set it to the same one
Aug 27 07:31:15 <iurgi> directly
Aug 27 07:31:48 <Andy80> p.s: trasmission installation wasn't painless :( when I started installing it took about 15-20 minutes to complete....
Aug 27 07:31:58 <iurgi> wow
Aug 27 07:32:01 <Andy80> and once installed it wasn't able to see the disc
Aug 27 07:32:04 <iurgi> shold take about 3min max
Aug 27 07:32:11 <Andy80> but... after another 20 minutes was working...
Aug 27 07:32:16 <iurgi> weird
Aug 27 07:32:29 <Andy80> now I'm connecting directly to 9091 port to use trasmission webinterface
Aug 27 07:32:35 <Andy80> and it works fine
Aug 27 07:33:42 <iurgi> great
Aug 27 07:33:47 <iurgi> :)
Aug 27 07:33:50 <iurgi> happy with it?
Aug 27 07:34:24 <Andy80> very happy :)
Aug 27 07:34:38 <iurgi> great :)
Aug 27 07:34:40 <Andy80> is it the default Trasmission webinterface or did you customize it?
Aug 27 07:34:45 <iurgi> now convince your friends to buy it
Aug 27 07:34:54 <iurgi> default
Aug 27 07:35:36 <blogic> Andy80: 2.3.0.0 will have a reworkes webui
Aug 27 07:36:13 <Andy80> iurgi, I really like this default one, belive me :)
Aug 27 07:36:36 <Andy80> and sure, not that torrents work fine, it will be easy to convince my friends ;)
Aug 27 07:40:29 <Andy80> blogic, can you tell me any other feature of incoming 2.3.0.0 ?
Aug 27 07:40:50 <blogic> openvpn
Aug 27 07:40:54 <blogic> lots of bug fixes
Aug 27 07:40:57 <blogic> new uploaders
Aug 27 07:40:57 <blogic> ...
Aug 27 07:40:58 <blogic> ...
Aug 27 07:40:59 <blogic> ..
Aug 27 07:41:20 <Andy80> .. is the most interesting one, imho :D
Aug 27 07:42:09 <iurgi> Andy80: openvpn will be very cool in the future
Aug 27 07:43:05 <Andy80> iurgi, yes, I can understand is very important but... really never used a VPN in all my life :S so it's not the most interesting for me
Aug 27 07:43:19 <iurgi> it will be...
Aug 27 07:43:22 <iurgi> you will see
Aug 27 07:43:27 <iurgi> it's not just a vpn application
Aug 27 07:43:35 <iurgi> but something we will build on top of vpn
Aug 27 07:43:42 <iurgi> I guess it's still a secret, blogic ?
Aug 27 07:47:49 <Andy80> ahh do you know what would be great to have?
Aug 27 07:47:57 <iurgi> what?
Aug 27 07:48:26 <Andy80> a little chart in the Dashboard, showing the space left/used of the USB disc
Aug 27 07:49:05 <iurgi> ah
Aug 27 07:49:08 <iurgi> yeah, not bad
Aug 27 07:51:43 <blogic> Andy80: there will be a new page soon, global up/downloads
Aug 27 07:51:57 <blogic> so, you can see what the fonera is doing by loading only a single page
Aug 27 07:59:15 <Andy80> blogic, cool... but I really don't use other uploaders :( they're usefull if you're at home and can plug your usb key. I'm in Spain at the moment, and I'll remain here for 1 year :P so for me it's great to be able to use Trasmission and download later via ftp ;)
Aug 27 07:59:37 <Andy80> anyway... any new feature is welcome and better to convince my friends to buy it :)
Aug 27 07:59:47 <Andy80> ah!
Aug 27 07:59:50 <Andy80> another idea :)
Aug 27 07:59:59 <Andy80> what about integration with wifidog?
Aug 27 08:00:53 <Andy80> we (Pistoia Linux User Group) were working to a project almost similar to Fonera but to be used locally in our city (in Italy Fonera is not completely legal...)
Aug 27 08:01:17 <Andy80> but we could use Fonera2 as device instead of flashing old Fonera 1
Aug 27 08:01:22 <Andy80> (with openwrt)
Aug 27 08:02:11 <iurgi> Andy80: fonera is legal in italy ;)
Aug 27 08:02:36 <Andy80> iurgi, not completely, I explain why...
Aug 27 08:02:39 <iurgi> maybe your ISP does not let you use it on the terms and conditions, but that's a contract infringment not an illegal action
Aug 27 08:03:22 <Andy80> every internet point need to make a copy of ID/passport of every person who give the access to
Aug 27 08:03:28 <Andy80> so... in case of Fonera
Aug 27 08:03:39 <iurgi> all users that connect to the public need to use a payment method
Aug 27 08:03:40 <Andy80> YOU have personal data
Aug 27 08:03:45 <iurgi> in italy it's necessary
Aug 27 08:03:46 <Andy80> not the person who give the access
Aug 27 08:03:59 <iurgi> so they either give credit card or mobile number
Aug 27 08:04:09 <iurgi> and this is considered as enough for identifying a user
Aug 27 08:05:09 <Andy80> but a Fonero doesn't give these things....
Aug 27 08:05:20 <Andy80> I mean... these data has to be kept in Italy
Aug 27 08:05:25 <Andy80> not in a foreign country
Aug 27 08:07:38 <Andy80> belive me, it would be easier and painless for us being able to simply buy a stock of fonera devices :)
Aug 27 08:12:17 <Danicasti> Is there a way to change the port the VPN, for example, from 1723 to 443 on WM6? :P
Aug 27 08:12:53 <Danicasti> i have search in the registry but not result...
Aug 27 08:13:03 <Andy80> I've talked a couple of times with your official contact in Italy (Stefano Vitta) to try to find a solution, but our (Pistoia) city hall is not convinced yet :(
Aug 27 08:13:47 <Danicasti> Andy80: Fai e stai zitto... :D
Aug 27 08:14:41 <Andy80> Danicasti, in english please ;)
Aug 27 08:15:34 <Danicasti> :P
Aug 27 08:26:57 <iurgi> Andy80: hmmm I'm not much into legal stuff but I know fon had longlegal meetings on this on the past...
Aug 27 08:27:11 <iurgi> anyway, what do you want? to buy many foneras?
Aug 27 08:27:24 <iurgi> and isntall wifidog in them?
Aug 27 08:28:23 <Andy80> iurgi, we have to create a wifi network in our city, with at least 20 wifi spot + public places that wanna join us (pub, bar, restaurants ecc...) to have at least 100 public wifi points where one can connect to internet
Aug 27 08:28:40 <iurgi> I see
Aug 27 08:28:42 <Andy80> our town hall didn't want to use Fon
Aug 27 08:28:46 <iurgi> and your major is scared of fon?
Aug 27 08:28:51 <iurgi> I see
Aug 27 08:28:52 <Andy80> because they think it's illegal
Aug 27 08:29:02 <Andy80> and they want us to provide another solution
Aug 27 08:29:22 <iurgi> I see
Aug 27 08:29:40 <Andy80> with wifi dog we would make a copy of the people's passport and create an account only when they comephisically in one of our offices
Aug 27 08:30:37 <iurgi> you can do that with wifidog?
Aug 27 08:31:42 <Andy80> iurgi, with wifidog I manage the accounts directly, so if you come to one of our offices I create you an account ONLY if you leave me a copy of your passport
Aug 27 08:32:10 <Andy80> after that you can use all the access point of the network, of course authenticating with your account
Aug 27 08:32:24 <iurgi> ahhh
Aug 27 08:32:24 <iurgi> ok
Aug 27 08:32:34 <iurgi> got it
Aug 27 08:33:55 <Andy80> iurgi, being able to use Fon would make us to save a lot of money :)
Aug 27 08:34:27 <Andy80> iurgi, well... we've to spend ALL the budget, it's a rule... but if we implement a custom solution, half of the budget would be wasted in developing it
Aug 27 08:34:55 <Andy80> if we could use Fon we could spend almost 90% of it in Fonera devices
Aug 27 08:39:56 <iurgi> I see
Aug 27 08:40:11 <iurgi> well, we can hardly help you... unless we can convince your city hall
Aug 27 08:40:13 <iurgi> :)
Aug 27 08:40:51 <Decodecoding> Andy, will you implement WiFi g or Wifi n devices?
Aug 27 08:42:17 <Andy80> Decodecoding, for testing we just used old fonera1 devices, so wifi b/g
Aug 27 08:50:04 <Andy80> a couple of question about SSH on the Fonera2: to make it work do I have to reboot the device at least one time, to make it generate the ssh keys, right?
Aug 27 08:50:32 <Andy80> the other question is: once I'm logged into it, is there a way to change the SSH port? I suppose yes, but who knows...
Aug 27 08:51:34 <iurgi> Andy80: you can probably change it in the dropbear configuration, but then the firewall hook to open access from wan also needs to be updated
Aug 27 08:52:35 <Andy80> the problem is this: I cannot say to my Netgear router "please forward incoming connection to 2222 port to internal 192.168.0.105:22"
Aug 27 08:52:41 <Andy80> it has to be the same port :(
Aug 27 08:52:55 <Andy80> and on 22 I already have another PC
Aug 27 08:54:51 <iurgi> I see
Aug 27 08:54:59 <iurgi> you should change the pc then
Aug 27 08:55:02 <iurgi> it's easier ;)
Aug 27 08:55:47 <Andy80> I'll evaluate pro/cons :D
Aug 27 08:58:21 <iurgi> hehe
Aug 27 08:58:22 <iurgi> okay
Aug 27 08:58:39 <Andy80> I mean... how many time do I need to connect to my fonera2 trough ssh?
Aug 27 08:59:27 <Andy80> the only thing I really would like to work is the Wake Up On Lan plugin.... I've installed it, configured it and told to that friend of mine to enable it in the PC bios, but it looks like it doesn't work
Aug 27 08:59:54 <Andy80> the NIC should support it... when the computer is powered off a little led remain on
Aug 27 09:29:24 * Andy80 wish I could have a better upload bandwidth at home... downloading @48 Kb/s
Aug 27 10:08:39 <blogic> oops
Aug 27 10:08:43 <blogic> that is not much
Aug 27 10:08:51 <blogic> i thought my 650kb/s was slow :)
Aug 27 10:13:06 <Andy80> blogic, I can download at ~800 K/s and upload at ~45 K/s
Aug 27 10:13:16 <Andy80> (from my home ADSL)
Aug 27 10:13:44 <Andy80> in Italy almost no one has more than 50-100 K/s in upload
Aug 27 10:27:44 <Decodecoding> Andy. Don't feel so bad. I have only 15 real Kb for upload...
Aug 27 10:28:28 <Decodecoding> It's a fraud by ISPs
Aug 27 10:30:06 <Decodecoding> Can anyone take a look at this? : http://pastebin.com/m3ddd1dcd
Aug 27 10:30:24 <Decodecoding> I think it is a crappy USB stick...
Aug 27 10:30:50 <Andy80> Decodecoding, in my case it's not a fraud... they clearly say: 7 Mbit download / 0,5 Mbit upload
Aug 27 10:31:11 <Andy80> Decodecoding, we also have 20 Mbit / 1 Mbit, but my zone is not covered
Aug 27 10:31:19 <Decodecoding> I mean the concept is a fraud
Aug 27 10:36:53 <Decodecoding> I think the thing is that theres an I/O error so fonera unmounts disc from sda1 and mounts it again in sdb1 so torrent webgui doesn't work
Aug 27 10:37:13 <Decodecoding> I think the solution is easy: using a good hard disk :-d
Aug 27 11:06:59 <DaW> and you guys have it good
Aug 27 11:07:08 <DaW> all i get is 3mb down and 386kbits up !
Aug 27 11:07:18 <DaW> thats about 300kB/s and 30kB/s
Aug 27 11:07:20 <DaW> >.<
Aug 27 11:07:21 <Decodecoding> better than me
Aug 27 11:07:34 <Decodecoding> I get 3Mb/150kbits
Aug 27 11:07:50 <DaW> damn
Aug 27 11:07:59 <DaW> im being upgraded soin tho ! :D
Aug 27 11:08:35 <DaW> soon*
Aug 27 11:23:00 <iurgi> out for dinner
Aug 27 11:23:09 <iurgi> (I'm back in japan ;D)
Aug 27 11:23:12 <iurgi> bye!
Aug 27 11:23:16 <Decodecoding> lucky you!!!
Aug 27 11:23:33 <Decodecoding> Say hi to the Shibuya girls...
Aug 27 11:23:52 <iurgi> haha
Aug 27 11:23:58 <iurgi> yesrtedy I went out
Aug 27 11:24:00 <Decodecoding> I miss them
Aug 27 11:24:00 <iurgi> got so drink
Aug 27 11:24:07 <iurgi> and maaaaaaaaaaaany nice girsl came to dance with me
Aug 27 11:24:17 <Decodecoding> It's a paradise
Aug 27 11:24:19 <Decodecoding> he he
Aug 27 11:24:20 <iurgi> unfortunately I was not in a good... position to getting them
Aug 27 11:24:24 <iurgi> old friend with me
Aug 27 11:24:25 <iurgi> haha
Aug 27 11:24:36 <iurgi> ok, bye bye!
Aug 27 11:24:38 <iurgi> bbl
Aug 27 13:24:27 <joseph> hi world
Aug 27 13:26:12 <joseph> when the bridge is implemented in the fonera???
Aug 27 13:28:50 <joseph> and the user info about the fonero connected in public signal of fonera???
Aug 27 14:37:43 <blogic> 7win 21
Aug 27 14:41:24 <Danicasti> blogic: i have tried a php server into the f2n? If work i sell my f2g :)
Aug 27 14:41:51 <Danicasti> not I... you have tried?
Aug 27 14:43:19 <mirco> hello
Aug 27 14:43:51 <mirco> who are a people can help me with fonera ???
Aug 27 14:46:23 <mirco> i have a problem with my fonera 2.0 with new firmware 2.2.6
Aug 27 14:46:44 <mirco> after upgrade my fonera is dead :( why ?
Aug 27 14:47:04 <Danicasti> mirco: you are sardinian??
Aug 27 14:47:19 <mirco> no sono veneto
Aug 27 14:47:27 <Danicasti> ah ok! Ciau!
Aug 27 14:47:38 <mirco> ciao
Aug 27 14:48:25 <Danicasti> dead??
Aug 27 14:48:44 <blogic> mirco: have you tried to recover it with redboot
Aug 27 14:48:49 <mirco> si dopo l'aggiornamento non parte piu'
Aug 27 14:49:00 <mirco> how to recover with redboot ?
Aug 27 14:49:18 <mirco> by network connection or serial connectio ?
Aug 27 14:50:14 <mirco> now i have only amber power led turn on
Aug 27 14:53:39 <Decodecoding> Mirco, I guess you'll have to use serial connection since redboot seems to be closed from fonera network
Aug 27 14:55:12 <mirco> very bad, i have upgraded with 2.2.6 and now it's is dead
Aug 27 14:57:10 <mirco> can i make an hardware reset ?
Aug 27 14:57:40 <Andy80> 2.2.6.0 ? is already out? or is still the RC5 ?
Aug 27 15:01:19 <mirco> is out from 4 august
Aug 27 18:38:04 <Andy80> guys I confirm your great work! Transmission is working very very well :)
Aug 27 18:39:37 <Danicasti> Buono così!
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