**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 01 02:59:56 2009
Oct 01 06:41:06 <Danicasti> Buongiorno!
Oct 01 07:32:03 <blathijs> Morning
Oct 01 07:56:37 <blathijs> Hah, the torrent downloader worked after all
Oct 01 07:56:44 <blathijs> Apparently I got the port forwards right :_)
Oct 01 07:58:27 <blathijs> iurgi: It seems that Transmission is installed in the firmware already on Flipper? No need to install it seperately on the USB disc?
Oct 01 08:00:23 <blathijs> Now let's upgrade to Elan
Oct 01 08:01:28 <blathijs> blogic: What's the idea behind the version of this firmware, btw? 20090909_FON2303_2.3.0.1_RC2.tgz Looking at the datestamp, shouldn't that ben 2.3.0.0 ?
Oct 01 08:04:16 <iurgi> hi
Oct 01 08:04:44 <blathijs> ey iurgi
Oct 01 08:04:54 <iurgi> blathijs: yes, that file has a wrong name
Oct 01 08:05:56 <blathijs> Perhaps rename it to prevent confusion?
Oct 01 08:08:09 <blogic> blathijs: no
Oct 01 08:08:23 <blogic> iurgi: it is not wrong
Oct 01 08:08:28 <blogic> it is 100% how i wanted it
Oct 01 08:08:40 <blathijs> In that case, I don't understand it :-)
Oct 01 08:08:54 <blathijs> Since it's between 2.3.0.0_RC1 and RC3, looking at the date
Oct 01 08:11:26 <blathijs> Hmm, something went wrong with that upgrade (power led stayed orange, Fonera didn't boot...)
Oct 01 08:11:50 <iurgi> blathijs: what do you mean? that file was named by me, not you
Oct 01 08:12:26 <iurgi> I can hardly think of a way for you influencing my typos
Oct 01 08:12:27 <iurgi> lol
Oct 01 08:12:50 <iurgi> s/blathijs/blogic/
Oct 01 08:12:56 <blathijs> iurgi: I meant that if the 2.3.0.1 should have been 2.3.0.0, perhaps you should correct it, so that people looking at the /RC listing don't get confused. But apparently it is not wrong (which doesn't make it less confusing)
Oct 01 08:13:01 <blathijs> Ah
Oct 01 08:13:07 <blathijs> That makes even more sense :-D
Oct 01 08:13:31 <iurgi> blogic: it is 2.3.0.0
Oct 01 08:13:58 <blathijs> blogic: I was referring to the 2.0n version here, not the 2.0g version
Oct 01 08:14:02 <iurgi> he is refering to a fonera 2.0n firmware from november before even launch, so it's 2.3.0.0RC2
Oct 01 08:14:13 <iurgi> s/november/september/
Oct 01 08:14:30 <iurgi> looks like I'm sleepy still. will grab a huge coffee now
Oct 01 08:14:44 <blathijs> Actually, it seems that the 2.0g version should be 2.3.0.1, according to blogic's last commit :-)
Oct 01 08:14:52 <blathijs> (but it's 2.3.0.0)
Oct 01 08:14:52 <iurgi> bbl, I have a meeting now
Oct 01 08:14:55 <blathijs> iurgi: hf
Oct 01 08:15:01 <iurgi> lol
Oct 01 08:15:04 <blathijs> Don't forget the coffee :-)
Oct 01 08:16:24 <blathijs> Hmm, did the Torrent icon change? I think it is different between my handcompiled version and the one from /RC...
Oct 01 08:16:48 <blathijs> Ah, nice, there is now a "Do you really want to reboot" dialog. I was considering complaining about the lack of that :-p
Oct 01 08:23:13 <blathijs> iurgi: Installing Transmission after an upgrade doesn't work, it says "There is already a installation in progress, please try again in a few minutes"
Oct 01 08:23:49 <blathijs> iurgi: But I think I also saw that on a clean Elan install before I downgraded
Oct 01 08:25:45 <blathijs> iurgi: I did create all three files under FoneraApps
Oct 01 08:26:55 <blathijs> Hmm, perhaps it is actually installing, I just saw a dd and a mkfs in the process list
Oct 01 08:27:33 <blathijs> Ah, nice, now it's installed
Oct 01 08:28:59 <blathijs> Perhaps it's started the installation automatically then, or I've clicked twice or something
Oct 01 08:32:24 <blathijs> Ah, and apps need to be installed and started, I see :-)
Oct 01 08:34:24 <blathijs> iurgi: Is it me, or is the torrent client completely different? I think it was ctorrent in Flipper, and is now Tranmission?
Oct 01 08:34:58 <blathijs> iurgi: Anyway, Transmission seems to run fine after an upgrade from Flipper, since there was nothing installed to the flash disk
Oct 01 08:35:21 <blathijs> iurgi: It does not preserve running torrents, though, since the torrent files are stored in a different place
Oct 01 08:50:03 <iurgi> it is new, yes
Oct 01 08:52:25 <blathijs> iurgi: Then what was your point about the filename being changed? Since the Flipper version didn't use Transmission or .fng files at all?
Oct 01 08:54:15 <iurgi> hmmm
Oct 01 08:54:26 <iurgi> the users that had 2.2.6.0RCx
Oct 01 08:54:40 <iurgi> not flipper but pre-cheeky
Oct 01 08:55:28 <blathijs> Ah, so I tested the wrong upgrade? :-)
Oct 01 10:04:24 <blathijs> blogic: Do you know if the final (non-rc) cheeky version (from /Cheeky ) is supposed to work? It's failing to boot for me (tried flashing it twice)
Oct 01 10:04:51 <blathijs> Trying rc5 now
Oct 01 10:05:07 <blathijs> c!
Oct 01 10:05:11 <blathijs> crap
Oct 01 10:05:14 <blogic> ok a 20g or 20n ?
Oct 01 10:05:24 <blathijs> g
Oct 01 10:06:19 <blogic> there is no 2.3.0.0 for 20g
Oct 01 10:06:27 <blogic> what file are you flashing ?
Oct 01 10:06:28 <blathijs> 2.2.6, cheeky
Oct 01 10:06:34 <blogic> ah ok
Oct 01 10:06:41 <blogic> should work, yes
Oct 01 10:06:42 <blathijs> 20090727_FON2303_2.2.6.0_DEVELOPER.tar.gz
Oct 01 10:06:51 <blogic> erm
Oct 01 10:07:01 <blogic> iurgi: what is fon2303
Oct 01 10:07:10 <blogic> can we start naming them with real names please :)
Oct 01 10:07:17 <blogic> i think 2303 is 20n
Oct 01 10:07:21 <blogic> not sure though
Oct 01 10:08:39 <blathijs> oh wait
Oct 01 10:09:00 <blathijs> I've been trying to flash the 20n version indeed
Oct 01 10:09:09 <blathijs> Ah, that explains
Oct 01 10:09:13 <blogic> hehe
Oct 01 10:09:22 <blathijs> I've used SSH flash first, so I bypassed the version check
Oct 01 10:09:56 <blathijs> And then I used the failsafe mode, which probably had the version check, so it just didn't do anything
Oct 01 10:10:10 <blathijs> Right, flashing rc5 now, which is available for 20g
Oct 01 10:10:45 <blathijs> Interestingly enough the failsafe page did say the upgrade was succesful just now, even though it hadn't done anything
Oct 01 10:11:01 <blogic> might be
Oct 01 10:11:07 <blogic> failsafe is pre my time at fon
Oct 01 10:11:22 <blogic> i have no idea who made it :)
Oct 01 10:11:30 <Decodecoding> Is there any known bug with disc mount on 2.3.0.1 rc1 for Fon2.0g. Yesterday I successfully installes transmission, but this morning seems like the disc disapeared.
Oct 01 10:11:55 <Decodecoding> ?
Oct 01 10:12:35 <blathijs> blogic: Actually, it seems the cheeky 2303 / 20n version doesn't even check if it's really a 20n, so it did actually do the flashing
Oct 01 10:13:03 <blathijs> Not sure why it didn't reboot afterwards, since it does contain mtd -r
Oct 01 10:13:06 <blathijs> oh well
Oct 01 10:13:23 <blogic> blathijs: use 2.3.0.x
Oct 01 10:13:26 <blogic> :)
Oct 01 10:13:29 <iosonoio> hello!
Oct 01 10:14:04 <blathijs> blogic: I'm trying to test the upgrade :-)
Oct 01 10:14:45 <blogic> blathijs: ah ok
Oct 01 10:16:20 <blathijs> Hmm, but rc5 doesn't boot either...
Oct 01 10:35:02 <iosonoio> Why if i try to access via WAN on the fonera2 (http) the normale user and pass that i use via ssh doesn't work??
Oct 01 10:35:26 <blathijs> iurgi: I think you need to use "fonera" as username
Oct 01 10:35:38 <blathijs> Haven't tested that yet, though
Oct 01 10:35:47 <iosonoio> mmm
Oct 01 10:35:55 <iosonoio> fonera and the root password?
Oct 01 10:35:57 <Decodecoding> root is only for ssh now, I think
Oct 01 10:36:25 <iosonoio> and now it says always Unauthorized
Oct 01 10:39:26 <blogic> as of 2.3.0.0 all users are fonero apart form ssh
Oct 01 10:41:07 <iosonoio> oh ok :)
Oct 01 10:41:31 <iosonoio> and as password the root password?
Oct 01 10:41:41 <blogic> admin
Oct 01 10:43:20 <blathijs> iosonoio: I think so, yes, that should be the only password used
Oct 01 10:43:41 <iosonoio> lol but doesn't work :D
Oct 01 10:43:41 <blathijs> iosonoio: But I think it locks you out after a few attempts, so wait a bit until you can try again :-)
Oct 01 10:43:44 <iosonoio> so weird :D
Oct 01 10:43:56 <iosonoio> yes right
Oct 01 10:44:03 <iosonoio> it locks me out some minutes
Oct 01 10:45:07 <blogic> iosonoio: over wan ?!
Oct 01 10:45:11 <blogic> we have port hammering :)
Oct 01 10:45:19 <blogic> you get 3 tries every 2 minutes i think
Oct 01 10:45:26 <iosonoio> yes over wan
Oct 01 10:45:31 <blogic> o make sure ssh cannot be bruteforced
Oct 01 10:45:44 <blogic> miss type your password 3 times and you are locked out for 2 minutes
Oct 01 10:47:40 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 10:47:49 <iosonoio> anyway the user is fonero
Oct 01 10:47:55 <iosonoio> and the password is the root password
Oct 01 10:48:13 <iosonoio> doesn't work
Oct 01 10:48:15 <iosonoio> :D
Oct 01 10:50:00 <iurgi> it does
Oct 01 10:50:04 <blathijs> Interesting :-)
Oct 01 10:50:04 <iurgi> :D
Oct 01 10:50:20 <iurgi> iosonoio: does fonero/your_pass work on lan?
Oct 01 10:50:30 <iurgi> sorry
Oct 01 10:50:32 <iosonoio> on lan it doesn't ask me
Oct 01 10:50:33 <iurgi> on lan there's no fonero
Oct 01 10:50:34 <iosonoio> nothing
Oct 01 10:50:37 <iosonoio> yes
Oct 01 10:50:38 <iosonoio> :)
Oct 01 10:50:41 <iurgi> hmm
Oct 01 10:50:46 <iurgi> I'm pretty sure this was tested
Oct 01 10:50:48 <iurgi> I tested it
Oct 01 10:50:50 <iurgi> and it worked
Oct 01 10:50:52 <iurgi> hmmm
Oct 01 10:50:53 <blathijs> On lan there is no password prompt
Oct 01 10:50:55 <blathijs> uh
Oct 01 10:50:56 <blathijs> username
Oct 01 10:50:59 <blathijs> no username :-)
Oct 01 10:51:01 <iurgi> and other users confirmed it, imo
Oct 01 10:51:04 <iosonoio> lol
Oct 01 10:51:07 <iurgi> will try to test later
Oct 01 10:51:41 <iosonoio> i'm on v2.2.5.0
Oct 01 10:51:42 <iosonoio> firmware
Oct 01 10:52:00 <blathijs> I would test it right now, but Cheeky again failed to flash...
Oct 01 10:52:28 <blathijs> iurgi: It seems I can't test the 2.2.6-rc5 -> 2.3.0 upgrade for you, since the former won't boot...
Oct 01 10:52:47 <iurgi> why?
Oct 01 10:53:00 <iurgi> iosonoio: on 2.2.5.0 it's root, not fonero
Oct 01 10:53:33 <blathijs> iurgi: Dunno, the power led stays orange, the internet led is blink...
Oct 01 10:53:34 <blathijs> oh wait
Oct 01 10:53:38 <blathijs> Now it did come up
Oct 01 10:53:46 <iosonoio> ok i tried as user: root and as pass: myrootpassword
Oct 01 10:53:49 <blathijs> Apparently the reboot failed somehow
Oct 01 10:53:49 <iosonoio> and doesn't work
Oct 01 10:54:10 <blathijs> iurgi: I'm pretty sure root/root_pw didn't work on WAN for Flipper, I've tried that before
Oct 01 10:54:56 <iosonoio> where this basi auth is written?
Oct 01 11:09:11 <iosonoio> blathijs: i tried all the combination i really can't access via WAN and i can't fine nothing on the wiki any help?
Oct 01 11:09:41 <blathijs> iosonoio: Dunno, it never worked for me either :-)
Oct 01 11:09:46 <iosonoio> lol
Oct 01 11:10:04 <blathijs> iosonoio: I thought that using "fonera" for the username was the magic solution, since I haven't tried that yet
Oct 01 11:10:16 <blathijs> but apparently not :-)
Oct 01 11:11:36 <iosonoio> no it doesn't work :(
Oct 01 11:11:46 <iosonoio> but somewhere must be the configuration right?
Oct 01 11:13:12 <blathijs> Yeah, but I haven't found where yet (haven't really looked either)
Oct 01 11:13:17 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 12:37:06 <blathijs> Hmm, it seems the FON wiki doesn't support using an image as a link :-)
Oct 01 12:43:59 <iosonoio> hi!
Oct 01 12:44:09 <iosonoio> how i can stop the respawn of chilli process?
Oct 01 12:44:10 <blathijs> hey iosonoio
Oct 01 12:44:26 <blathijs> Perhaps disable it in /etc/config/services?
Oct 01 12:44:33 <blathijs> (Just a wild guess)
Oct 01 12:45:02 <iosonoio> mm i'll try
Oct 01 12:47:17 <iosonoio> in that file there is under http section the "option 'fwall' '1'" maybe is smething relative to the password from the wan?
Oct 01 12:47:53 <blathijs> I think that that option makes that service appear in the firewal configuration in the first place
Oct 01 12:48:04 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 12:48:08 <blathijs> though it might also mean that it is allowed in the wan interface, not sure
Oct 01 12:49:36 <iosonoio> Oct  1 12:49:00 Fonera user.crit syslog: finished running /etc/fonstated/RestartChilli
Oct 01 12:50:07 <iosonoio> it keeps restarting :D
Oct 01 12:50:13 <iosonoio> it's immortal
Oct 01 12:50:14 <iosonoio> :D
Oct 01 12:50:34 <blathijs> Perhaps you can see if RestartChilli has some hints?
Oct 01 12:50:48 <blathijs> Or grep around in /etc/fonfig for "RestartChilla", to see what calls it?
Oct 01 12:53:31 <iosonoio> i thing is the foncmd script
Oct 01 12:53:36 <iosonoio> that is called regulary
Oct 01 12:53:39 <iosonoio> from fonstate
Oct 01 13:02:21 <blogic> it is the chillispot watchdog
Oct 01 13:02:29 <blogic> does it keep on popping up on your fon ?!
Oct 01 13:02:41 <blogic> if so, the fonera has problems reaching fon.com
Oct 01 13:02:54 <blogic> iurgi: can you check if iosonoio's heartbeats arrive ?!
Oct 01 13:05:20 <iosonoio> blogic: what fonscmd do? and wich is his file configuration?
Oct 01 13:10:58 <blogic> fonsmcd.conf
Oct 01 13:11:14 <blogic> it is the heartbeat to tell fon if the spot is on or not, so we can put the icon on the google map
Oct 01 13:11:15 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 13:11:48 <blathijs> Hmm, but this chilli thing was something not fon-specific, right?
Oct 01 13:12:17 <blathijs> Or is chillispot used to implement fon's authentication stuff?
Oct 01 13:12:48 <blogic> chillispot is the software which opens the fonspot and allows radius auth of foneros on the spot
Oct 01 14:13:11 <iurgi> blogic_: sure I can
Oct 01 14:13:22 <iurgi> I think you got kicked by netsplit or something
Oct 01 14:13:28 <iurgi> your nick is weird ;)
Oct 01 14:14:16 <iurgi> iosonoio: but what is your problem?
Oct 01 14:14:33 <iurgi> do you have a 'clean' firmware or the one with the changes we suggested yesterday?
Oct 01 14:14:44 <iosonoio> i have a clean one
Oct 01 14:14:49 <iosonoio> 2.2.5
Oct 01 14:14:57 <iurgi> and chillispot is resterting all the time?
Oct 01 14:14:58 <iurgi> hmm
Oct 01 14:14:59 <iosonoio> but i made a script for turn off wifi
Oct 01 14:15:07 <iurgi> well
Oct 01 14:15:08 <iosonoio> and in logread
Oct 01 14:15:10 <iurgi> then chilli might not work
Oct 01 14:15:12 <iosonoio> i have a lot of error
Oct 01 14:15:16 <iurgi> if the interfaces are not up
Oct 01 14:15:16 <iosonoio> by chilli
Oct 01 14:15:20 <iosonoio> yes right
Oct 01 14:15:22 <iurgi> it might restart all the time+
Oct 01 14:15:23 <iosonoio> that's why
Oct 01 14:15:30 <iosonoio> i wanna kill it
Oct 01 14:15:38 <iurgi> well, it is triggered by fonstated
Oct 01 14:15:40 <iosonoio> or maybe don't start it at all
Oct 01 14:15:49 <iurgi> you can kill fonstated, for a test
Oct 01 14:16:01 <iurgi> but it is not usable after reboot
Oct 01 14:16:02 <iosonoio> but fonstated
Oct 01 14:16:05 <iurgi> it will come up again :)
Oct 01 14:16:07 <iosonoio> it's like cron?
Oct 01 14:16:09 <iurgi> it controls the fonera
Oct 01 14:16:11 <iosonoio> with events?
Oct 01 14:16:11 <iurgi> hmmm
Oct 01 14:16:14 <iurgi> yes
Oct 01 14:16:16 <iurgi> and more things
Oct 01 14:16:26 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 14:16:41 <iurgi> you can always delete the chilli script from /etc/fonstated/ or so, I guess
Oct 01 14:16:48 <iurgi> welcome blogic
Oct 01 14:17:15 <iosonoio> and what fonsmcd
Oct 01 14:17:16 <iosonoio> do?
Oct 01 14:19:04 <iosonoio> i killed fonscmd and fonstated
Oct 01 14:21:23 <blathijs> blogic: Is there any particular reason /etc/profile does HOME=/root, while /etc/password has /tmp as homedir?
Oct 01 14:21:25 <iosonoio> iurgi: without fonstated and fonscmd if i kill chilli it doesn't respawn
Oct 01 14:21:50 <blathijs> blogic: It's slightly confusing, since "cd" does not go to the same place that sh thinks is ~ currently :-)
Oct 01 14:21:59 <blogic> iosonoio: why dont oyu just turn of chilli in the webui ?!
Oct 01 14:22:21 <iosonoio> where in the webui?
Oct 01 14:22:32 <blathijs> blogic: Can Flipper do that already?
Oct 01 14:22:32 <blogic> settings->fonspot->sharewifi
Oct 01 14:22:38 <iosonoio> mmm
Oct 01 14:22:44 <iosonoio> flipper doesn't have that option
Oct 01 14:23:13 <iosonoio> that option came with 2.6.0
Oct 01 14:23:15 <blathijs> iurgi: I've tried upgrading from Cheeky to Elan, with Transmission installed. On Elan, the existing install is completely ignored, so I'm offered to install afresh
Oct 01 14:23:31 <iurgi> iosonoio: why odn't you upgrade?
Oct 01 14:23:48 <iurgi> blathijs: yeah, and when you install, it's broken
Oct 01 14:24:05 <iosonoio> to which one? RC5?
Oct 01 14:24:13 <iurgi> 2.3.0.0RC1
Oct 01 14:24:33 <iosonoio> RC1 has some issue on the wan side
Oct 01 14:24:38 <iurgi> what issue??
Oct 01 14:24:54 <iosonoio> i can't access via webui throught wan side
Oct 01 14:25:18 <iurgi> iosonoio: ????
Oct 01 14:25:19 <iurgi> whay?
Oct 01 14:25:21 <iurgi> why?
Oct 01 14:25:40 <iosonoio> yesterday i tried with 2.3.0 and i can't do it
Oct 01 14:25:55 <iurgi> !!
Oct 01 14:25:58 <iosonoio> i'll try to reinstall it if tell me that is ok
Oct 01 14:26:01 <iurgi> but do yo uget the ssl certificate?
Oct 01 14:26:13 <iurgi> well, let me just try it
Oct 01 14:26:15 <iurgi> give me 5min
Oct 01 14:26:17 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 14:27:22 <blathijs> iosonoio: Does the WAN http thing work on Flipper for you?
Oct 01 14:27:36 <blathijs> iurgi: I haven't tried installing Transmission yet, I'm trying to find the code that does that first :-)
Oct 01 14:27:48 <blathijs> Think I've found it, though
Oct 01 14:28:30 <iosonoio> on flipper it ask me user and pass
Oct 01 14:28:41 <iosonoio> but i tried all the combination without success
Oct 01 14:29:06 <iosonoio> user: fonero root fonera null  pass: myrootpassword null admin
Oct 01 14:29:09 <blathijs> iosonoio: So it's not working on flipper either?
Oct 01 14:29:23 <iosonoio> yes i discover it toay...
Oct 01 14:29:27 <iosonoio> today*
Oct 01 14:29:41 <blathijs> So you might as well upgrade, then :-p
Oct 01 14:29:46 <iosonoio> lol
Oct 01 14:30:26 <iosonoio> but on flipper it ask me something :D
Oct 01 14:30:37 <iosonoio> on 2.3.0 nothing :P
Oct 01 14:31:47 <iosonoio> someone can try if the wann access works on 2.3.0?
Oct 01 14:32:02 <blathijs> iosonoio: Did you change the password after upgrading to Elan?
Oct 01 14:32:10 <blathijs> iosonoio: I'll check in a minute
Oct 01 14:32:21 <blathijs> iosonoio: Did you try SSH over WAN on Elan
Oct 01 14:32:21 <blathijs> ?
Oct 01 14:32:25 <iosonoio> i changed it with the webinterface
Oct 01 14:32:52 <iosonoio> i don't remember
Oct 01 14:32:53 <blathijs> Because the upgrade throws away the pass_good variable (not sure if I discussed that with you yesterday?)
Oct 01 14:32:58 <iosonoio> webinterface for sure
Oct 01 14:33:09 <iosonoio> blathijs: yes tou did
Oct 01 14:33:18 <blathijs> ah :-)
Oct 01 14:33:22 <iosonoio> and after i changed it with webui the pass_good came up
Oct 01 14:33:41 <blathijs> But still no webgui on the WAN port?
Oct 01 14:34:15 <iurgi> iosonoio: did you try port 443 on the 2.3.0.0RC1??
Oct 01 14:35:58 <iosonoio> yes but after have done a lot of changes and the fonera didn't answer
Oct 01 14:37:33 <blathijs> Hmm, where are the templates for the luci interface stored in the source tree?
Oct 01 14:38:13 <iurgi> blathijs: /luci/
Oct 01 14:38:15 <iurgi> haha
Oct 01 14:38:24 <blathijs> iurgi: And then?
Oct 01 14:38:34 <iurgi> well, each application has it's own
Oct 01 14:38:43 <iurgi> what do you mean with templates?
Oct 01 14:38:46 <iurgi> anything specific?
Oct 01 14:39:13 <blathijs> Ah, in the view directory :-)
Oct 01 14:39:22 <blathijs> view == template
Oct 01 14:39:27 <iurgi> it's a model, control, view system
Oct 01 14:39:36 <iurgi> model-view-ocntroller
Oct 01 14:40:01 <blathijs> I'm used to django, which uses the term "view" to denote the code that drives the view (which would be controller here), and "template" for what's a view (or also template) here
Oct 01 14:40:07 <blathijs> This is more RoR like I think
Oct 01 14:40:17 <blathijs> So, found 'em :-)
Oct 01 14:41:23 <iurgi> RoR?
Oct 01 14:43:19 <blathijs> Ruby on Rails
Oct 01 14:43:45 <blogic> blathijs: talking aout luci ?
Oct 01 14:43:47 <blogic> it is a MVC
Oct 01 14:44:22 <blathijs> blogic: Yeah, I know the concept
Oct 01 14:44:53 <blathijs> blogic: I was just confused by the templates/views, mainly because I'm used to Django (a python framework that uses the concepts slightly different)
Oct 01 14:45:02 <blogic> ok
Oct 01 14:45:09 <blogic> what confuses you exactly ?!
Oct 01 14:45:21 <blogic> luci is made by cyrusFF
Oct 01 14:45:28 <blogic> he helped me make it work on the fonera
Oct 01 14:45:29 <blathijs> I was looking for templates, and they are stored in a dir called "views"
Oct 01 14:45:35 <blogic> ah ok
Oct 01 14:45:36 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 14:45:59 <blogic> models are a cbi or a simpleform
Oct 01 14:46:02 <blathijs> And I think that is similar to how RoR has its terms, that's all I wanted to say :-)
Oct 01 14:46:03 <blogic> dont ask me what cbi means
Oct 01 14:46:08 <blathijs> hehe
Oct 01 14:46:23 <blogic> basically a cbi model is a mapping onto a uci section (/etc/config/*)
Oct 01 14:46:34 <blogic> a simpleform is a form that has a non uci based backend
Oct 01 14:46:45 <blogic> so you can "intercept" the data before the commit and do magic
Oct 01 14:46:57 <blogic> models can append views
Oct 01 14:47:11 <blogic> well, a model can treat a view like any item it can load
Oct 01 14:47:25 <blogic> so you can make up a model of several cbi, simpleform and views
Oct 01 14:49:27 <blathijs> right..
Oct 01 14:50:30 <blogic> so, any questions ... just ask, luci is really simple
Oct 01 14:51:32 <blathijs> Does this: entry({"torrent", "install"}, ...) mean that this entry / template / view is used for the url .../torrent/install ?
Oct 01 14:52:29 <blathijs> (I'm looking at the torrent app, which has an index function that, depending on the current install state and other factors, calls "entry" a bunch of times, for different urls I guess)
Oct 01 14:52:53 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 14:52:56 <blogic> the node
Oct 01 14:53:07 <blogic> entry() and node() do the same
Oct 01 14:53:11 <blathijs> Ah, yes, before all this iffing, there's a bunch of entry calls to setup start, stop, del, etc. that actually do stuff
Oct 01 14:53:16 <blogic> node is an abstraction layer
Oct 01 14:53:35 <blogic> in the controller we setup the dispatch tree
Oct 01 14:53:51 <blathijs> What does setup_base do?
Oct 01 14:53:57 <blogic> and each node()/entry() has an action it calls, which can be a view, model or function
Oct 01 14:54:10 <blogic> torrent controller ?
Oct 01 14:54:24 <blogic> its just a function i call to set the defaults on all nodes of the controller
Oct 01 14:54:34 <blogic> that is not luci api, just how i coded that controller
Oct 01 14:55:06 <blathijs> Ah, yes, I see its definition
Oct 01 14:55:26 <blogic> like the icon used etc etc
Oct 01 14:55:30 <blogic> where the i18n is
Oct 01 14:55:39 <blogic> and if it has a subindex etc etc
Oct 01 14:55:43 <blathijs> It's not used on all pages, though
Oct 01 14:55:46 <blogic> basically the properties
Oct 01 14:55:48 <blogic> no
Oct 01 14:55:51 <blathijs> Does that mean not all pages are auth'd?
Oct 01 14:55:54 <blogic> just where it makes sense
Oct 01 14:55:56 <blathijs> s/pages/urls/
Oct 01 14:56:00 <blogic> aHHH+
Oct 01 14:56:02 <blogic> hehe
Oct 01 14:56:17 <blogic> if i auth protect a node, all nodes below it are auth automatically
Oct 01 14:56:25 <blogic> torrent/ is on the root node
Oct 01 14:56:27 <blathijs> Ah, yes
Oct 01 14:56:30 <blogic> which is not auth'd
Oct 01 14:56:38 <blathijs> Uh, it is I think?
Oct 01 14:56:40 <blogic> most stuff is under fon_dashboard/
Oct 01 14:56:47 <blogic> well
Oct 01 14:56:50 <blogic> is special
Oct 01 14:56:50 <blogic> :)
Oct 01 14:56:54 <blathijs> hehe
Oct 01 14:57:19 <blogic> luci has some features you can run on /
Oct 01 14:57:33 <blogic> for example the wizard pages have no auth
Oct 01 14:57:38 <blogic> and the sysuth page
Oct 01 14:57:40 <blogic> and the sysauth page
Oct 01 14:57:46 <blogic> sysauth is the login screen
Oct 01 14:57:59 <blathijs> Ah, yes
Oct 01 14:58:02 <blogic> also, luci has many bindings
Oct 01 14:58:05 <blogic> we have
Oct 01 14:58:07 <blogic> 1) uci binding
Oct 01 14:58:18 <blogic> 2) nixio (unix io, sockets,.....)
Oct 01 14:58:49 <blogic> 3) luanet (ifconfig,vconfig,route,bridge,iwconfig,df,uptime,........)
Oct 01 14:58:49 <iosonoio> i have to go i leave the fonera to flash 2.3.0
Oct 01 14:58:50 <blathijs> That's just lua bindings right, not luci specific?
Oct 01 14:58:56 <blogic> well
Oct 01 14:59:00 <blogic> we made lua bindings in c
Oct 01 14:59:05 <blogic> and hook them into luci
Oct 01 14:59:13 <blogic> then there is the httpclient api
Oct 01 14:59:24 <blathijs> What's uci exactly, btw?
Oct 01 14:59:31 <blathijs> configuration management?
Oct 01 14:59:33 <blogic> you have ssh open on a fonera ?
Oct 01 14:59:35 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 14:59:41 <blogic> 1 sec
Oct 01 14:59:42 <blathijs> Yeah, I have SSH
Oct 01 14:59:46 <blogic> my gf just walked in
Oct 01 14:59:51 <blogic> type uci show
Oct 01 14:59:53 <blogic> uci help
Oct 01 15:01:05 <blathijs> Ah, nice
Oct 01 15:02:44 <blogic> and walked out again
Oct 01 15:02:50 <blogic> cat /etc/config/fon
Oct 01 15:02:52 <blathijs> Less nice :-;
Oct 01 15:02:56 <blathijs> s/;/p/
Oct 01 15:03:01 <blogic> uci show fon
Oct 01 15:03:07 <blogic> its the same data
Oct 01 15:03:14 <blathijs> blogic: I've seen /etc/config, and the shell calls to uci config stuff
Oct 01 15:03:19 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 15:03:24 <blathijs> Does uci do more than store configs?
Oct 01 15:03:26 <blogic> uci show fon.private
Oct 01 15:03:34 <blogic> nope
Oct 01 15:03:46 <blogic> its our "database/registry/repo/..."
Oct 01 15:03:51 <blogic> whatever you wanna call it
Oct 01 15:04:00 <blathijs> Just a bunch of utils to access configs in convenient ways :-)
Oct 01 15:04:01 <blogic> its flat files with typed/named sections
Oct 01 15:04:06 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 15:04:11 <blogic> c, shell, lua :)
Oct 01 15:04:15 <blathijs> It's a nice and readable format :-)
Oct 01 15:04:22 <blogic> also
Oct 01 15:04:28 <blogic> option can be a list
Oct 01 15:04:33 <blogic> config foo bar
Oct 01 15:04:39 <blogic>   option a 1
Oct 01 15:04:42 <blogic>   list b 2
Oct 01 15:04:45 <blogic>   list b 3
Oct 01 15:04:45 <blogic>   list b 4
Oct 01 15:05:07 <blogic> so, uci get x.bar.b will list 3 vals
Oct 01 15:05:23 <blathijs> Ah, fancy
Oct 01 15:05:31 <blathijs> What does env.uci_state:get refer to?
Oct 01 15:05:57 <blathijs> Some runtime state?
Oct 01 15:06:53 <blogic> ok
Oct 01 15:07:06 <blogic> we have a global uci read cursor on the run state
Oct 01 15:07:07 <blogic> :)
Oct 01 15:07:12 <blogic> /var/state/
Oct 01 15:07:14 <blogic> :)
Oct 01 15:07:26 <blogic> we use uci also on a non persistent ram folder to store runtime info
Oct 01 15:07:38 <blogic> so you get cursor() and cursor_state()
Oct 01 15:08:00 <blogic> env is a global every controller gets passed, to make sure not every controller creates a uci instance
Oct 01 15:08:35 <blogic> uci_state is the cursor instance, created with require("luci.model.cbi").cursor_state()
Oct 01 15:08:59 <blogic> and :get is a property just like :set :revert :delete :commit ........
Oct 01 15:09:04 <blathijs> Ah, /var/state was the pointer I needed :-)
Oct 01 15:09:13 <blogic> http://dev.luci.freifunk-halle.net/luci-doc/modules/luci.model.uci.html
Oct 01 15:09:21 <blogic> i am not sure how current that doc is
Oct 01 15:09:30 <blogic> all the stuff is valid, but there is much more
Oct 01 15:09:55 <blogic> ah no, that is the latest luci api doc without the libs from fon
Oct 01 15:09:57 <blathijs> It looks autogenerated?
Oct 01 15:10:17 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 15:10:18 <blogic> luadoc
Oct 01 15:10:26 <blogic> there is also "UVL - UCI Validation Layer"
Oct 01 15:10:33 <blogic> it is the validation layer for uci
Oct 01 15:10:38 <blogic> and is defiend in uci :)
Oct 01 15:10:47 <blathijs> blogic: Any pointers as to where the "fmg" section of the state is filled?
Oct 01 15:10:52 <blogic> so there is a uci validation that defines the validation
Oct 01 15:10:54 <blathijs> I'd expect somehwere after mount?
Oct 01 15:11:03 <blogic> so it is fully selfcontained and the file can validate itself :)
Oct 01 15:11:18 <blogic> hmmm
Oct 01 15:11:23 <blogic> /bin/fon_image.sh
Oct 01 15:11:36 <blogic> fon_image.sh start torrent /tmp/mounts/Disc-A1/
Oct 01 15:11:44 <blogic> fon_image.sh stop torrent
Oct 01 15:11:58 <blogic> this is a hack still :)
Oct 01 15:12:05 <blogic> i need to make it again in c and add it to mountd
Oct 01 15:12:24 <blathijs> But this stuff is called from luci, right?
Oct 01 15:12:37 <blogic> nope
Oct 01 15:12:37 <blogic> mountd
Oct 01 15:12:41 <blogic> well
Oct 01 15:13:00 <blogic> there is also a lua binding so the "start/stop" button in lcui works
Oct 01 15:13:26 <blogic> fon/mountd/files/usr/lib/lua/luci/fmg.lua
Oct 01 15:13:45 <blogic> mountd deploys the lua binding and the shell script
Oct 01 15:13:56 <blathijs> Ah, but things are autostarted on mount?
Oct 01 15:14:20 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 15:14:30 <blogic> well, there is a uci option you can set to prevent it i think
Oct 01 15:14:35 <blathijs> right (I think Cheeky didn't do that yet?)
Oct 01 15:14:36 <blogic> but luci does not expose it
Oct 01 15:14:41 <blogic> indeed
Oct 01 15:15:01 <blogic> i sometimes loose track of when i added feature to be honest
Oct 01 15:15:02 <blogic> :)
Oct 01 15:15:12 <blathijs> Might be useful, since starting an app prevents you from safely unplugging a device
Oct 01 15:15:25 <blathijs> Okay, this stuff is starting to make sense :-)
Oct 01 15:15:29 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 15:15:35 <blogic> there are a few usability things
Oct 01 15:15:40 <blogic> what i want to have is ....
Oct 01 15:15:51 <blogic> on the hard-disc page and icon of each app that is accessing a disc
Oct 01 15:15:58 <blogic> and then a "force unmount"
Oct 01 15:16:05 <blogic> so you could use the switch on the back
Oct 01 15:16:07 <blogic> :)
Oct 01 15:16:20 <blogic> walk to your fon, set the switch, wait 5s and all discs are unmounted
Oct 01 15:16:24 <blogic> that would be ideal
Oct 01 15:16:30 <blogic> and i know exactly how to make it work
Oct 01 15:16:39 <blogic> just need the time for it :)
Oct 01 15:16:40 <blogic> haha
Oct 01 15:16:43 <blathijs> switch?
Oct 01 15:16:55 <blogic> on the fon20n you have a on/off switch
Oct 01 15:17:02 <blogic> which is hooked to a gpio
Oct 01 15:17:09 <blogic> we use it for wifi on/off atm
Oct 01 15:17:22 <blogic> for the fon20g there will be a button "unmount now"
Oct 01 15:17:43 <blathijs> (And in hindsight, I wasn't really looking for the state vars, but for the implementation of luci.fmg.find_discs :-)
Oct 01 15:18:47 <blogic> oh dear
Oct 01 15:18:50 <blogic> ok..... erm
Oct 01 15:18:55 <blogic> this code is really dirty
Oct 01 15:19:01 <blogic> i hacked it as a proof of concept
Oct 01 15:19:12 <blogic> there is luci.util.exec() perversion
Oct 01 15:19:20 <blogic> dont think bad of me when you read it :)
Oct 01 15:19:20 <blogic> haha
Oct 01 15:19:26 <xMff> \o/
Oct 01 15:19:40 <blogic> blathijs: xMff is also rsponsible for luci
Oct 01 15:19:54 <blogic> lo xMff
Oct 01 15:27:55 <blathijs> blogic: Any particular place in the source three to find this stuff?
Oct 01 15:28:29 <blogic> what stuff ?
Oct 01 15:28:45 <blathijs> find_discs, or luci.util.exec ?
Oct 01 15:28:46 <blogic> 1 sec
Oct 01 15:30:14 <blogic> /openwrt/fono/fon/mountd/files/usr/lib/lua/luci/fmg.lua
Oct 01 15:30:16 <blogic> well
Oct 01 15:31:07 <blogic> http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/browser/trunk/fon/mountd/files/usr/lib/lua/luci/fmg.lua#L50
Oct 01 15:31:50 <blathijs> blogic: Ah, thanks
Oct 01 15:32:00 <blathijs> (I have a local source tree, so ther first one was fine :-)
Oct 01 15:33:10 <blathijs> All the files are very much fragmented it seems, I had recently decided that the fon/ directory only contained openwrt packaging files :-)
Oct 01 15:35:25 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 15:35:31 <blogic> its the overlay
Oct 01 15:35:41 <blogic> openwrt/ is a almost unmodified owrt snapshot
Oct 01 15:35:46 <blogic> fon has our packages
Oct 01 15:35:55 <blogic> luci/ is the luci snapshot we use
Oct 01 15:36:01 <blogic> which is almost in sync with upstream luci
Oct 01 15:39:59 <blathijs> Ah, right
Oct 01 15:40:48 <blathijs> But the fon/ dir contains packaging stuff as well as some actual source files, which confused me a bit
Oct 01 15:43:21 <blogic> ok
Oct 01 15:43:43 <blogic> a openwrt package can either define a url where the src is loaded from or a src/ folder where the src resides
Oct 01 15:44:39 <blathijs> blogic: Is there any logic for upgrading somewhere? e.g., if I installed a .fmg on a previous version, should I get a different message?
Oct 01 15:44:49 <blathijs> (different from "it's not installed"?)
Oct 01 15:45:26 <blogic> no
Oct 01 15:45:33 <blogic> not yet
Oct 01 15:45:41 <blogic> fmg needs to be reworked
Oct 01 15:46:01 <blathijs> hehe
Oct 01 15:46:13 <blathijs> Ok, let's see if Transmission wants to install now then
Oct 01 15:46:16 <blathijs> Seems like it should
Oct 01 15:46:29 <blathijs> (Are there any other .fmgs apart from Transmission?)
Oct 01 15:47:40 <blogic> not yet
Oct 01 15:47:44 <blogic> there wil be though
Oct 01 15:47:48 <blogic> openvpn for example
Oct 01 15:48:32 <blathijs> Perhaps I'll try to get my pulsaudio port into one
Oct 01 15:48:51 <blathijs> though I was already looking forward to reducing 7MB to under 1MB  :-p
Oct 01 15:50:46 <blathijs> blogic: It's kinda confusing now that you get "There is already an installation in progress" when you click install, btw
Oct 01 15:52:55 <blathijs> Probably just changing the entire message to "Installation is in progress" will make it better
Oct 01 15:53:10 <blathijs> Since you shouldn't be able to click the "install" icon when installation is already running
Oct 01 15:53:11 <blogic> blathijs: i am not responsible for language files :)
Oct 01 15:53:26 <blogic> as i said fmg needs work
Oct 01 15:55:05 <blathijs> blogic: As for upgrading, I think it should be possible to simply replace the .fmg file and rename / copy the .var file, right?
Oct 01 15:55:26 <blathijs> blogic: Also, is there any particular reason there is per-application swap? Wouldn't just a single swap file make more sense?
Oct 01 15:56:20 <blogic> single swap will come with next fmg update
Oct 01 15:56:33 <blogic> it is a bit tricky to make it understanable for the user
Oct 01 15:56:42 <blathijs> Yeah, I can imagine :-)
Oct 01 15:57:04 <blogic> swap is not like a usb port to expalin :)
Oct 01 15:58:27 <blathijs> Automatically growing .var for apps would also be nice, since having 150MB for storing a few .torrent files is a bit much :-)
Oct 01 15:59:34 <blogic> indeed
Oct 01 15:59:39 <blogic> and also all in 1 file
Oct 01 15:59:54 <blogic> lop devices  an be mounted with an offset
Oct 01 15:59:58 <blogic> loop
Oct 01 16:01:12 <blathijs> Ah, like that
Oct 01 16:01:23 <blathijs> Is that worth the trouble? What will you gain?
Oct 01 16:01:32 <blathijs> Ah, use less loop devices
Oct 01 16:01:58 <blathijs> OTOH, it makes applications less self contained, now you can just throw away one app's files and it's gone
Oct 01 16:02:03 <blathijs> Perhaps 1 file per app?
Oct 01 16:03:24 <blathijs> iurgi: Anyway, Transmission works fine after an upgrade from Cheeky, I haven't had any problems. Doesn't preserve settings and running torrents, but I understand that that is somewhat by design (or rather, lack of time)
Oct 01 16:03:58 <blogic> well
Oct 01 16:04:03 <blogic> settings are stored ?!
Oct 01 16:04:07 <blogic> what is not stored ?!
Oct 01 16:06:18 <iurgi> blathijs: hmmmm it should keed the downloads too
Oct 01 16:06:18 <iurgi> but
Oct 01 16:06:27 <iurgi> only if the .fmg it's using is the same imo
Oct 01 16:06:44 <iurgi> I mean, the fact that you had to do a new installation, loses the torrents because we changed the .fmg
Oct 01 16:07:08 <iurgi> if you keep the .fmg (for instance, reflash with 2.3.0.1RC1 again) it should keep the torrents too
Oct 01 16:07:22 <blathijs> blogic: Settings are in the .var file, which is not reused after an "upgrade"
Oct 01 16:07:32 <iurgi> blathijs: it is reused
Oct 01 16:07:40 <iurgi> only not this time because of the .fmg filename change
Oct 01 16:07:48 <iurgi> but it should be saved
Oct 01 16:07:51 <blogic> exactly
Oct 01 16:08:00 <blogic> once you are at 2.3.0.0 all is good
Oct 01 16:08:06 <iurgi> yes
Oct 01 16:08:10 <blogic> prior 2.3.0.0 torrent was a bit turbulent :)
Oct 01 16:08:15 <blathijs> iurgi: Yes, if I would downgrade, I'd get everything back
Oct 01 16:08:21 <blogic> torrent was the biggest nightmare i ever had
Oct 01 16:08:37 <iurgi> still, blogic: when we come to 2.4.0.0 what will happen with the filename that contains 2.3.0.0 in it?
Oct 01 16:08:39 <blathijs> blogic: But even 2.3.0 still doesn't have any upgrade logic for .fmg's right?
Oct 01 16:08:53 <blathijs> But that's planned for the next release? :-)
Oct 01 16:09:05 <iurgi> blathijs: no, I mean if you upgrade to the same or next version you currently are on, it will keep the downloads
Oct 01 16:09:11 <iurgi> but only starting at 23..0.0
Oct 01 16:09:28 <blathijs> iurgi: "upgrade", asin, reflash the same version?
Oct 01 16:09:41 <iurgi> yes
Oct 01 16:10:08 <iurgi> now you have 2.3.0.1RC1 if you reflash with 2.3.0.1RC1 (emulating an upgrade) the torrents should be saved
Oct 01 16:10:09 <blogic> blathijs: i dont think the fmg will be upgraded
Oct 01 16:10:21 <blogic> blathijs: the fmg only has the transmission client
Oct 01 16:10:26 <blogic> and it is not working
Oct 01 16:10:31 <blathijs> Currently, I think nothing happens to any of the files in FoneraApps
Oct 01 16:10:35 <blogic> anything we need to change, we can do on the fly
Oct 01 16:11:15 <blathijs> I could try flashing Cheeky again and then Elan to see what happens, but I'm pretty confident that will give me two different sets of torrents
Oct 01 16:11:33 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 16:11:38 <iurgi> blathijs: yes
Oct 01 16:11:44 <iurgi> that's what we are trying to explain
Oct 01 16:11:45 <iurgi> :)
Oct 01 16:11:57 <blathijs> blogic: I was using .fmg to describe the concept of fmg apps in general, btw :-)
Oct 01 16:12:04 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 16:12:16 <iurgi> cheeky->elan: fundamental changes happened, torrent requires reinstall and status is lost
Oct 01 16:12:32 <blathijs> Yes, that's what I confirmed just now
Oct 01 16:12:37 <iurgi> Elan->next: no fundamental changes (not planned), torrent will not require reinstall and status will be kept
Oct 01 16:12:40 <iurgi> ah
Oct 01 16:12:41 <iurgi> haha
Oct 01 16:12:43 <blathijs> It works, but status and settings are lost
Oct 01 16:12:43 <iurgi> ok
Oct 01 16:12:57 <iurgi> cheeky->elan: yes
Oct 01 16:13:02 <iurgi> elan->next: no
Oct 01 16:13:02 <blathijs> yes
Oct 01 16:13:08 <blogic> true
Oct 01 16:13:14 <blogic> lots of yes and no haha
Oct 01 16:13:18 <iurgi> haha
Oct 01 16:13:23 <iurgi> false
Oct 01 16:13:27 <blathijs> iurgi: But to keep the status from elan -> next, I think some (fundamental?) changes are needed :-p
Oct 01 16:13:34 <iurgi> blathijs: no
Oct 01 16:13:42 <blogic> blathijs: no i will be prepared :)
Oct 01 16:13:53 <blogic> 2.3.0.0 needed to be ready for 20n release :)
Oct 01 16:14:04 <blogic> blathijs: i am not sure yet how, but it iwll work
Oct 01 16:14:20 <blathijs> If we would take 2.3.0.1 and release it without changes as 2.3.0.2, it would break Transmission status again, AFAICS
Oct 01 16:14:21 <iurgi> haha
Oct 01 16:14:32 <blathijs> blogic: Yes, that's what I meant. It needs changes :-)
Oct 01 16:14:53 <blathijs> But all those changes can happen in elan+1, nothing required in Elan itself
Oct 01 16:15:16 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 16:15:22 <blogic> we can do it on upgrade
Oct 01 16:15:23 <blathijs> (By courtesy of never having released Cheeky :-p)
Oct 01 16:15:37 <blathijs> blogic: Not exactly, since you can
Oct 01 16:15:41 <blogic> having 2 devices is a nightmare :)
Oct 01 16:15:45 <blogic> its a lot of testing
Oct 01 16:15:52 <blathijs> blogic: Not exactly, since you can't be sure that the USB disk is plugged in on upgrade
Oct 01 16:16:01 <blogic> so we decided to get 2.3.0.0 fully working on 20n and then test it on 20g
Oct 01 16:16:08 <blogic> blathijs: haha
Oct 01 16:16:22 <blogic> blathijs: newer .var files will have a version.txt in them
Oct 01 16:16:26 <blathijs> Yes, I understand your release schedule, it even makes sense
Oct 01 16:16:31 <blogic> if it is missing i know it is pre elan+1
Oct 01 16:16:38 <blathijs> hehe
Oct 01 16:16:40 <blogic> and i can then handle it
Oct 01 16:16:44 <blogic> tat is my plan anyway
Oct 01 16:16:50 <blathijs> But, there's already the version in the filename, right?
Oct 01 16:16:59 <blogic> so ?
Oct 01 16:17:04 <blogic> users can change the name :=
Oct 01 16:17:06 <blogic> users can change the name :)
Oct 01 16:17:15 <blogic> inside it is not that easy to change a file
Oct 01 16:17:19 <blathijs> True
Oct 01 16:17:39 <blathijs> Just make a list of all .var files, fetch version.txt from them (which should also contain the appname then!) and make a list
Oct 01 16:17:50 <blathijs> Do some upgrades if needed, and tada! done :-)
Oct 01 16:18:05 <blathijs> Or perhaps only upgrade on user request through the dashboard
Oct 01 16:18:07 <blathijs> might be better
Oct 01 16:18:10 <blogic> yeah
Oct 01 16:18:30 <blathijs> (Were you also planning on putting a version tag inside the .fmg files?)
Oct 01 16:19:45 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 16:19:50 <blathijs> Some of the WebUI stuff from the torrent app probably needs generalizing as well, I think. There's a lot of overhead for the installation stuff in there...
Oct 01 16:19:59 <blogic> yes
Oct 01 16:20:12 <blogic> you picked out the really shitty part of the code to look at :)
Oct 01 16:20:37 <blathijs> Enough to do, it seems :-)
Oct 01 16:20:47 <blogic> ehe
Oct 01 16:20:51 <blogic> its opensource :)
Oct 01 16:21:03 <blogic> i am always busy
Oct 01 16:21:06 <blogic> :D
Oct 01 16:21:12 <blathijs> Yeah, I know, patches welcome :-P
Oct 01 16:21:20 <blogic> lol
Oct 01 16:22:22 <blathijs> If only I had some extra time... :-)
Oct 01 16:23:02 <blathijs> Hmm, bah, read errors on my USB device
Oct 01 16:23:15 <blathijs> Transmission handles that nicely, it pauses and says "read only filesystem"
Oct 01 16:36:18 <iurgi___> hmmm
Oct 01 16:36:21 <iurgi___> lost my name
Oct 01 16:36:42 <iurgi___> hmm
Oct 01 16:56:33 <giacomo> Hello
Oct 01 16:56:39 <iosonoio> cuao
Oct 01 16:56:41 <iosonoio> ciao
Oct 01 16:56:50 <blogic> hola
Oct 01 16:57:13 <giacomo> I have tried to see the webcam on VLC with this address http://myipaddressexsternal/luci/fon_devices/fon_webcam/mjpeg/ but it doesn0t work
Oct 01 16:57:30 <iosonoio> blogic: i flashed 2.3.0
Oct 01 16:59:23 <iurgi> iosonoio: does it work?
Oct 01 16:59:29 <iurgi> I have tried it and it didn't work for me
Oct 01 16:59:32 <iosonoio> ssh over wan doesn't work
Oct 01 17:00:00 <iurgi> actually I didn't see any process listening on port 443 although there was an iptables rule for accepting the packages
Oct 01 17:00:16 <iosonoio> webgui doesn't work on wan
Oct 01 17:00:34 <iurgi> timeout, right?
Oct 01 17:00:57 <giacomo> I can see the webcam from exsternal on the webgui, but not on VLC Player
Oct 01 17:00:59 <iosonoio> safari say: it can't connect to the server
Oct 01 17:01:23 <iosonoio> iptables -L | grep 80
Oct 01 17:01:28 <iosonoio> returns nothing
Oct 01 17:01:39 <iosonoio> i think is a webgui problem
Oct 01 17:02:07 <iurgi> iosonoio: it's not port 80
Oct 01 17:02:08 <iurgi> it's 443
Oct 01 17:02:21 <blogic> iosonoio: wan only opens https
Oct 01 17:02:25 <iosonoio> oh with 443 works
Oct 01 17:02:29 <iurgi> ah
Oct 01 17:02:33 <iosonoio> wait
Oct 01 17:02:34 <iurgi> then I tested it wrong
Oct 01 17:02:34 <iurgi> lol
Oct 01 17:02:37 <iosonoio> i check with safari
Oct 01 17:02:40 <iurgi> fonero/pass
Oct 01 17:03:22 <iosonoio> mmm user e pass doesn't work
Oct 01 17:03:33 <iosonoio> have i to re-change the password?
Oct 01 17:03:57 <iosonoio> cause after the upgrade i didn't change it
Oct 01 17:04:39 <iurgi> well, it shouldn't be necessary...
Oct 01 17:06:18 <iosonoio> waittt
Oct 01 17:06:20 <iosonoio> it works!!
Oct 01 17:06:23 <iosonoio> with firefox
Oct 01 17:07:23 <blogic> good
Oct 01 17:07:25 <iosonoio> iurgi: with firefox it works like a charm
Oct 01 17:07:25 <blogic> safari also ?!
Oct 01 17:07:38 <iosonoio> safari keeps asking the user and apssword
Oct 01 17:07:39 <iosonoio> :D
Oct 01 17:08:25 <iosonoio> ok i fixed it
Oct 01 17:08:33 <iosonoio> you have to save the user and password
Oct 01 17:08:34 <iosonoio> :D
Oct 01 17:08:36 <iosonoio> in safari
Oct 01 17:08:41 <iosonoio> i'm in!!!
Oct 01 17:08:43 <iosonoio> yesss
Oct 01 17:09:22 <iosonoio> ok last
Oct 01 17:09:26 <iosonoio> why: iptables -L | grep 22
Oct 01 17:09:34 <iosonoio> return nothing?
Oct 01 17:10:02 <blogic> iosonoio: is it dev mode ?
Oct 01 17:10:08 <blogic> iosonoio: do you have a safe password
Oct 01 17:10:08 <iosonoio> yes
Oct 01 17:10:21 <iosonoio> i think yes...
Oct 01 17:10:28 <blogic> ssh only opens on wan if you have 8 chars + a number or more
Oct 01 17:10:31 <ivangarcia> hi iurgi, busy?
Oct 01 17:10:32 <iosonoio> digit and number
Oct 01 17:11:16 <iosonoio> yes it respect what you wrote
Oct 01 17:11:25 <ivangarcia> hi all, i'm having problems with the WIFI-WAN bridge of the latest fonera 2.0 , the ssh has internet, but the fonera doesn't give any
Oct 01 17:11:43 <blogic> i am out eating
Oct 01 17:11:48 <blogic> back in 30
Oct 01 17:11:50 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 17:11:54 <iosonoio> i'll try to change
Oct 01 17:11:54 <iosonoio> it
Oct 01 17:11:57 <iosonoio> yesterday worked
Oct 01 17:11:58 <iosonoio> ;)
Oct 01 17:13:12 <iosonoio> ivangarcia: ssh?
Oct 01 17:14:19 <ivangarcia> iosonio, if I login inside the fonera with ssh, i can see that i can do ping and get DNS
Oct 01 17:14:23 <ivangarcia> from the WIFI-bridged
Oct 01 17:16:00 <iosonoio> oh ok got it!
Oct 01 17:17:01 <iosonoio> blogic: changing the password with same have solved the problem now i can access in ssh too via WAN
Oct 01 17:17:09 <ivangarcia> iosonoio, and I'm able to connect to the fonera, but when i put the browser to www.google.com or somewhere else, it always say that is internet is miscconfigured
Oct 01 17:17:31 <iosonoio> wich firmware do you have?
Oct 01 17:18:11 <ivangarcia> the latest official in the developer version
Oct 01 17:18:37 <iurgi> hmmmm
Oct 01 17:18:38 <iurgi> I'm here
Oct 01 17:18:54 <iosonoio> iurgi:  hello!
Oct 01 17:18:55 <iurgi> I will upload the developer version for RC1 in a moment
Oct 01 17:19:02 <iosonoio> noooooooooo
Oct 01 17:19:09 <iosonoio> i just flashed :D
Oct 01 17:19:11 <iurgi> haha
Oct 01 17:19:12 <iurgi> sorry
Oct 01 17:19:24 <iurgi> but you already have developer mode, right?
Oct 01 17:19:26 <iosonoio> eheh no problem :)
Oct 01 17:19:30 <iosonoio> yes
Oct 01 17:20:11 <iosonoio> it's just with ssh no fix right?
Oct 01 17:20:27 <iurgi> xactly
Oct 01 17:20:34 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 17:23:35 <iurgi> done
Oct 01 17:23:43 <iurgi> ivangarcia: I would suggest you upgrade to that version
Oct 01 17:23:48 <iurgi> just in case
Oct 01 17:23:51 <iurgi> is it a problem?
Oct 01 17:24:05 <iurgi> it will keep your configuration
Oct 01 17:24:08 <iurgi> or it should
Oct 01 17:25:04 <ivangarcia> iurgi, where will u post it?
Oct 01 17:25:45 <iurgi> http://download.fonosfera.org/RC/20090922_FON2202_2.3.0.1_RC1_DEV.tgz
Oct 01 17:25:46 <iurgi> I think
Oct 01 17:25:49 <iurgi> just typed it
Oct 01 17:25:51 <iurgi> :P
Oct 01 17:28:37 <ivangarcia> u are still uploading? cause that link doesn't work yet
Oct 01 17:29:31 <iosonoio> iurgi:  what about printers on 2.3.0?
Oct 01 17:32:39 <iurgi> ivangarcia: I typed it manuyally
Oct 01 17:32:44 <iurgi> look for something similar
Oct 01 17:33:06 <iurgi> ok
Oct 01 17:33:09 <iurgi> found the problem
Oct 01 17:33:11 <iurgi> it0s
Oct 01 17:33:14 <ivangarcia> in that folder has nothing uploaded today of 2.3.0.1
Oct 01 17:33:16 <iurgi> http://download.fonosfera.org/RC/20090922_FON2202_2.3.0.0_RC1_DEV.tgz
Oct 01 17:33:22 <ivangarcia> heheh
Oct 01 17:34:03 <iosonoio> iurgi: printers application isn't present anymore on 2.3.0?
Oct 01 17:34:10 <iurgi> it will be
Oct 01 17:34:15 <iurgi> iosonoio: this is a release candidate
Oct 01 17:34:20 <iurgi> the plugins will be available soon
Oct 01 17:34:25 <iurgi> obviously before the release ;)
Oct 01 17:34:27 <iosonoio> can't i install it manually?
Oct 01 17:34:29 <iurgi> sorry, but we didn't have the time
Oct 01 17:34:36 <iurgi> maybe on developer mode
Oct 01 17:34:46 <iosonoio> i'm in developer mode i have ssh access
Oct 01 17:35:00 <iurgi> try to download it from http://download.fonosfera.org/plugins/printer_1.5_fonera20_2.2.5.0_fon.tar.gz
Oct 01 17:35:05 <iurgi> maybe it will work
Oct 01 17:35:11 <iurgi> on the applications page you can upload it
Oct 01 17:35:13 <iurgi> no need for ssh
Oct 01 17:35:15 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 17:35:19 <iurgi> but I'm not 100% sure it will work
Oct 01 17:35:47 <iosonoio> ehehe ok got it :D
Oct 01 17:36:06 <iosonoio> at least now i can see in the application :D
Oct 01 17:39:24 <blathijs> iurgi: Having the dev version won't solve the pass_good problem, of course (just FYI)
Oct 01 17:40:04 <blathijs> iosonoio: Your problem with SSH just now was the same one you had yesterday, it's a known upgrade bug (changing the pw works as you found)
Oct 01 17:40:14 <iosonoio> yes
Oct 01 17:40:21 <iosonoio> now everything works fine
Oct 01 17:40:31 <iosonoio> i just need to test
Oct 01 17:40:34 * blathijs is off again
Oct 01 17:40:36 <iosonoio> printer over wan
Oct 01 17:40:37 <iosonoio> :D
Oct 01 17:42:17 <iosonoio> and it works like a chram :D
Oct 01 17:42:19 <iosonoio> greeeeaatt
Oct 01 17:42:19 <iosonoio> :D
Oct 01 17:43:03 <iurgi> blathijs: right, but some users that have enduser and want to switch to developer might find it useful
Oct 01 17:44:13 <blathijs> Yeah, it would have saved me a trip through failsafe mode before I think :-)
Oct 01 17:44:42 <blathijs> iurgi: Also, shouldn't these files be named 2.3.0.1 ? I think blogic upped the revision to 1 in svn already?
Oct 01 17:44:58 <iurgi> blathijs: yes
Oct 01 17:45:09 <iurgi> but I would need to fix the blnog links
Oct 01 17:45:12 <iurgi> and it's boring...
Oct 01 17:45:17 <iurgi> but yeah..
Oct 01 17:45:20 <iurgi> let's do it
Oct 01 17:45:46 <iosonoio> transmission works on 2.3.0.1?
Oct 01 17:46:44 <iurgi> done
Oct 01 17:46:46 <iurgi> yes
Oct 01 17:46:48 <iurgi> it does
Oct 01 17:46:52 <iurgi> but you ned to reinstall it
Oct 01 17:48:32 <iosonoio> i never installed before
Oct 01 17:49:29 <iurgi> then install it
Oct 01 17:49:30 <iurgi> :)
Oct 01 17:49:34 <iosonoio> yes yes :D
Oct 01 17:49:34 <iurgi> it takes a little while
Oct 01 17:49:53 <iosonoio> yes there is a file of 28mb and is grwing up in my usb pen :d
Oct 01 17:50:06 <iosonoio> 75mb
Oct 01 17:50:09 <iosonoio> .swp?
Oct 01 17:50:13 <iosonoio> it's a swap file??
Oct 01 17:50:23 <iurgi> yes
Oct 01 17:50:27 <iurgi> 126MB in total
Oct 01 17:50:31 <iurgi> you will have 2 files
Oct 01 17:50:35 <iosonoio>  /bin/dd if /dev/zero of /tmp/mounts/Disc-A1/FoneraApp
Oct 01 17:51:11 <iurgi> yes
Oct 01 17:51:15 <iosonoio> ;)
Oct 01 17:53:44 <iosonoio> mmm but it enable swap only when i start transmission
Oct 01 17:54:32 <iurgi> yes
Oct 01 17:55:12 <iosonoio> smart solution the swap solution :)
Oct 01 17:55:24 <iurgi> thanks
Oct 01 17:58:38 <blathijs> iurgi: Three files, actually (4MB .fmg, 125MB .swp and 125MB .var IIRC)
Oct 01 18:04:08 <iurgi> yes
Oct 01 18:04:24 <iurgi> I was refering to 2 125MB files
Oct 01 18:04:25 <iurgi> :P
Oct 01 18:19:31 <blathijs> Ah, right :-)
Oct 01 18:20:36 <ivangarcia> iurgi, the the 2.0.3.1 DEV .tgz can I install from the foner dashboard?
Oct 01 18:21:00 <iosonoio> i installed it from dashboard
Oct 01 18:21:03 <ivangarcia> cause I uncompress the .image inside and try to replace firmware but it says INVALID
Oct 01 18:21:21 <ivangarcia> iosonoi, do u installed the whole .tgz directly?
Oct 01 18:21:26 <iosonoio> yes
Oct 01 18:21:27 <iosonoio> from dash
Oct 01 18:21:34 <iosonoio> you have to use .tgz
Oct 01 18:21:36 <ivangarcia> the 2.0.3.1 DEV ?
Oct 01 18:21:50 <iosonoio> 2.0.3.1 without dev
Oct 01 18:21:54 <iosonoio> but it's the same
Oct 01 18:22:04 <iosonoio> cause dashboard need .tgz format
Oct 01 18:22:09 <iosonoio> i upgraded from flipper
Oct 01 18:23:24 <iurgi> ivangarcia: with the dev
Oct 01 18:23:27 <iurgi> but do not untar
Oct 01 18:23:35 <iurgi> directly the tarball
Oct 01 18:25:09 <ivangarcia> yeah, ok, it's uploading... , maybe a progress bar will be useful.
Oct 01 18:30:05 <iurgi> you should have a progress bar
Oct 01 18:30:16 <iurgi> hmm
Oct 01 18:30:19 <iurgi> maybe not on flipper
Oct 01 18:30:20 <iurgi> dunno
Oct 01 18:30:34 <iurgi> when did you buy the fonera?
Oct 01 18:30:36 <blathijs> No, not flipper
Oct 01 18:30:44 <iurgi> ok
Oct 01 18:30:54 <blathijs> Elan has one, but it's pretty useless, it just counts 30 minutes
Oct 01 18:31:06 <iurgi> blathijs: well, some foneras take 28mins
Oct 01 18:31:15 <blathijs> iurgi: Yes, but if yours doesn't...
Oct 01 18:31:27 <iurgi> it's safer like this
Oct 01 18:31:27 <blathijs> It's not really a progress bar, more a prevent-people-from-panicking-bar :-)
Oct 01 18:31:32 <ivangarcia> iurgi, I had the 2.0.2.5 dev version
Oct 01 18:31:36 <blathijs> So, it's not completely useless :-)
Oct 01 18:32:03 <blathijs> ivangarcia: He meant when did you buy it, to estimate flash chip speed, I think :-)
Oct 01 18:32:12 <iurgi> yup
Oct 01 18:32:29 <ivangarcia> pff, like 1month after fonera2.0 for betatesters
Oct 01 18:32:41 <ivangarcia> progressbar is working
Oct 01 18:32:48 <ivangarcia> takes long time
Oct 01 18:32:51 <iurgi> yes
Oct 01 18:32:56 <ivangarcia> but it's ok
Oct 01 18:35:23 <iosonoio> iurgi:  i set up the /etc/config/openvpn file with option enable to 1 but vpn doesn't start
Oct 01 18:35:37 <iosonoio> do you know if i have to enable the services somewhere?
Oct 01 18:35:46 <blogic> iosonoio: the key is not generated
Oct 01 18:35:50 <xMff>  /etc/init.d/openvpn enable
Oct 01 18:35:58 <blogic> xMff: ?!
Oct 01 18:36:01 <blogic> init.d ?
Oct 01 18:36:04 <blogic> what is that ?!
Oct 01 18:36:07 <iosonoio> init.d?
Oct 01 18:36:10 <blogic> :)
Oct 01 18:36:11 <xMff> blogic: he uses the openwrt package iirc
Oct 01 18:36:14 <iosonoio> is not handles by uci?
Oct 01 18:36:15 <blogic> ahhh
Oct 01 18:36:19 <blogic> sorrry
Oct 01 18:36:48 <iosonoio> i have all the configuration
Oct 01 18:36:53 <iosonoio> i mean keys .conf file ecc
Oct 01 18:37:07 <iosonoio> previous i started it with a custom script but now
Oct 01 18:37:14 <xMff> iosonoio: what is in "logread" `
Oct 01 18:37:15 <xMff> ?
Oct 01 18:37:32 <iosonoio> about openvpn
Oct 01 18:37:34 <iosonoio> nothing
Oct 01 18:37:34 <iosonoio> :d
Oct 01 18:38:04 <xMff> and you changed the path to your config file as well?
Oct 01 18:38:15 <iosonoio> yes
Oct 01 18:38:44 <iosonoio> http://pastebin.com/m35297e62
Oct 01 18:38:53 <iosonoio> my /etc/config/openvpn file
Oct 01 18:39:05 <iosonoio> have i to set something else in another file?
Oct 01 18:39:12 <xMff> have you tried to manually start openvpn with that config?
Oct 01 18:39:17 <iosonoio> yes
Oct 01 18:39:19 <iosonoio> it works
Oct 01 18:39:33 <xMff> anmd how does your openvpn config looks like?
Oct 01 18:39:53 <iosonoio> you mean the .conf file?
Oct 01 18:39:57 <xMff> yes
Oct 01 18:40:59 <iosonoio> http://pastebin.com/m984d14f
Oct 01 18:41:23 <iosonoio> it's not a path problem
Oct 01 18:41:39 <iosonoio> maybe i have to tell to uci that there is a new service?
Oct 01 18:42:04 <xMff> hmm looks okay
Oct 01 18:42:05 <iosonoio> or it automatic parse all the file in /etc/config
Oct 01 18:42:06 <iosonoio> ?
Oct 01 18:42:20 <xMff> is there a "start-stop-daemon" command on the fonera?
Oct 01 18:42:25 <blogic> nope
Oct 01 18:42:29 <blogic> i dont think so
Oct 01 18:42:30 <xMff> well then
Oct 01 18:42:37 <blogic> i dropped lots of useless stuff
Oct 01 18:42:44 <xMff> ssd is not useless
Oct 01 18:43:26 <xMff> at least it is the only clean way to spawn background processes I know of
Oct 01 18:43:35 <xMff> (with shell scripts)
Oct 01 18:43:37 <iosonoio> anyway i can still start it with a custom script, it was just to do the things in a clean way :)
Oct 01 18:43:53 <blogic> xMff: for fon-ng it is useless
Oct 01 18:43:56 <blogic> imho
Oct 01 18:44:16 <xMff> blogic: it introduces unneeeded incompatibilities imho :)
Oct 01 18:44:42 <xMff> iosonoio: sine "start-stop-daemon" is missing on the fonera you can't use the openwrt init script
Oct 01 18:44:59 <iosonoio> ok
Oct 01 18:45:25 <blogic> xMff: okok
Oct 01 18:45:48 <iosonoio> so have i to use the fonstate?
Oct 01 18:46:00 <xMff> blogic: problem is that it was advertised as "best practise" for openwrt init scripts, that is what I mean
Oct 01 18:46:07 <iosonoio> and add it in fonstate like "config fonboot"
Oct 01 18:46:09 <iosonoio> ?
Oct 01 18:46:15 <xMff> iosonoio: exactly
Oct 01 18:46:32 <iosonoio> ok got it i'll do with fonstate
Oct 01 18:48:51 <iosonoio> and it works :)
Oct 01 18:55:03 <iosonoio> cu later
Oct 01 19:08:11 <ivangarcia> hi iurgi, so I've upgrade to 2.0.3.1 , my dashboard shows that was IP from the WIFI-WAN, but browser has no internet
Oct 01 20:19:47 <ivangarcia> iosonio, have u tried the WIFI-WAN of the fonera-dev ?
Oct 01 20:40:21 <ivangarcia> iurgi?
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