**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 13 02:59:56 2009
Oct 13 06:14:13 <alexsc> hi@all
Oct 13 06:28:10 <Danicasti> HI!
Oct 13 07:03:31 <blathijs> Morning, alexsc
Oct 13 07:11:09 <alexsc> morning
Oct 13 07:52:23 <macintostie> hi
Oct 13 07:55:16 <blogic> hi
Oct 13 08:00:23 <macintostie> I have a little problem with my fonera 2.0n 2.3
Oct 13 08:00:44 <macintostie> and I looked on the forums and trac, but saw nothing about it
Oct 13 08:00:57 <macintostie> it seems I can't set my mac adres
Oct 13 08:01:16 <macintostie> and I really would like to have my internal and external mac addresses to be different
Oct 13 08:02:26 <macintostie> (because I have 6 ip's at home, and 1 is for the fonera, and the others must keep their ip address, practically the only way to do it is to plug a cable in the wan port to the lan port)
Oct 13 08:09:58 <macintostie> and the dashboard > settings > systems > advanced don't work
Oct 13 08:10:06 <macintostie> so can anybody help me?
Oct 13 08:10:40 <macintostie> (I have developer access to the fonera)
Oct 13 08:32:04 <iurgi_> macintostie: hmmm
Oct 13 08:32:10 <iurgi_> we will check that
Oct 13 08:33:33 <blathijs> macintostie: I don't think that connecting the Fonera to the same network on LAN and WAN will work properly, there's probably all sorts of routing and firewall issues there
Oct 13 08:34:11 <blathijs> macintostie: How about not using the Fonera's LAN ports and just putting a switch before the Fonera to connect your other devices?
Oct 13 08:34:49 <blathijs> Ideally, I think you'd want bridging of the WAN and LAN ports, but that's not really supported yet
Oct 13 09:11:45 <macintostie> hi blathijs
Oct 13 09:12:15 <macintostie> I want to avoid having two physical networks
Oct 13 09:12:28 <blogic> macintostie: you want a different mac on lan/wan
Oct 13 09:12:35 <blogic> is that correct ?
Oct 13 09:12:40 <macintostie> yes
Oct 13 09:12:53 <blogic> ok
Oct 13 09:12:58 <blogic> hmmmm
Oct 13 09:13:06 <macintostie> that way I could just plug the wan in the lan I figured
Oct 13 09:13:22 <blathijs> blogic: I'm not so sure if that's really what he wants, or rather if it will solve his problem :-)
Oct 13 09:13:29 <macintostie> without the eth0.1: received packet with  own address as source address messages
Oct 13 09:13:53 <blathijs> macintostie: So you would have your Fonera plugged into your network twice, once on the WAN port, and once on a LAN port?
Oct 13 09:14:02 <macintostie> yes!
Oct 13 09:14:28 <blogic> macintostie: why ?
Oct 13 09:14:35 <blogic> macintostie: that is called braodcast storm
Oct 13 09:14:37 <blogic> :)
Oct 13 09:14:47 <blogic> macintostie: in a network architecture way that makes no sense
Oct 13 09:14:57 <macintostie> that way new clients can get a DHCP address from the fonera
Oct 13 09:15:11 <blogic> macintostie: ok
Oct 13 09:15:13 <macintostie> or if a static is set can use that one
Oct 13 09:15:20 <blogic> macintostie: i think oyu want the bridge mode we are wroking on
Oct 13 09:15:26 <macintostie> (because I have 6 external IP addresses)
Oct 13 09:15:40 <macintostie> that problably would make sense :)
Oct 13 09:15:51 <blathijs> macintostie: So you want to have two different IP subnets on the same physical network?
Oct 13 09:15:54 <blogic> macintostie: indeed
Oct 13 09:16:08 <macintostie> blathijs: yes
Oct 13 09:16:26 <macintostie> and ideally I don't want to use the wan port at all
Oct 13 09:16:29 <blathijs> And the Fonera should be on both subnets and arrange routing / NAT between them
Oct 13 09:16:34 <macintostie> yes
Oct 13 09:16:49 <blogic> macintostie: you will have to wait for the bridge mode
Oct 13 09:16:54 <blogic> it will be in the next firmware
Oct 13 09:17:08 <macintostie> so as a kind of hack, I plugged a cable from one of the lan ports to the wan port
Oct 13 09:17:08 <macintostie> and it works
Oct 13 09:17:14 <macintostie> except of the complaining
Oct 13 09:17:25 <macintostie> in dmesg
Oct 13 09:17:25 <macintostie> ah
Oct 13 09:17:43 <macintostie> blogic: which version? 2.4?
Oct 13 09:17:45 <macintostie> or 2.3.1?
Oct 13 09:17:47 <blogic> 2.3.1
Oct 13 09:17:51 <blogic> 2.3.1.0
Oct 13 09:17:53 <macintostie> relaxt!
Oct 13 09:17:57 <macintostie> when will it be out?
Oct 13 09:18:04 <blogic> when it is ready :)
Oct 13 09:18:05 <blogic> haha
Oct 13 09:18:16 <blogic> i am not sure, we are working on it atm
Oct 13 09:24:03 <macintostie> :)
Oct 13 09:24:15 <macintostie> is it stable yet?
Oct 13 09:24:42 <blathijs> blogic: Perhaps it would be good to collect some usecases for the bridging mode, since I think I've seen quite a few already
Oct 13 09:24:50 <blogic> blathijs: i know
Oct 13 09:24:57 <blogic> blathijs: its a matter of finding the time
Oct 13 09:25:01 <blogic> upnp, vpn .....
Oct 13 09:25:09 <blathijs> hehe
Oct 13 09:25:14 <blathijs> I know what you mean
Oct 13 09:25:25 <macintostie> are you doing this in your free time?
Oct 13 09:25:47 <blathijs> I should finish up my Master's thesis, hopefully that should free up some time for me :-)
Oct 13 09:26:12 <macintostie> hehehe, same here :)
Oct 13 09:26:24 <macintostie> computer science?
Oct 13 09:26:52 <blathijs> Yup, in Enschede
Oct 13 09:27:34 <macintostie> :)
Oct 13 09:27:50 <macintostie> I am finishing my thesis in Nijmegen at the moment
Oct 13 09:28:16 <blathijs> On what?
Oct 13 09:29:02 <macintostie> model checking real world software algorithms, most notable the readers writers implementation of Qt (the QReadWriteLock object)
Oct 13 09:29:31 <macintostie> (found a deadlock in that implementation)
Oct 13 09:29:47 <macintostie> (is fixed according to my suggestion in the  current release)
Oct 13 09:29:54 <macintostie> what's your subject?
Oct 13 09:30:22 <blathijs> Nice
Oct 13 09:31:07 <blathijs> Working on hardware descriptions in functional languages, or more concretely (this is not really an english word, now is it?) translating Haskell to VHDL
Oct 13 09:31:53 <macintostie> ah, therefor you went to edinburgh last month :)
Oct 13 09:32:31 <blathijs> Yup
Oct 13 09:32:37 <blathijs> Found my blog? :-)
Oct 13 09:32:48 <macintostie> yep :)
Oct 13 09:34:15 <macintostie> it's a nice subject
Oct 13 09:34:47 <blathijs> Yup, though I'm really slowing down now I've stopped implementing and started writing :-)
Oct 13 09:35:15 <macintostie> you can probably program hardware easily and with powerful constructs
Oct 13 09:35:28 <macintostie> hehe, indeed writing is booooorrrriiiinnnnggggg
Oct 13 09:37:26 <macintostie> by the way: I couldn't set the hardware address of the wan port
Oct 13 09:38:00 <macintostie> ifconfig just reports the old one
Oct 13 09:39:11 <macintostie> and ifconfig eth0.2 down; set hw address; ifconfig eth0.2 up; route add default gw [router] also didn't work, because I get a 'internet connection problem' (orange page)
Oct 13 10:45:40 <voorstad> I decided to keep supporting this project, so I ordered the 2.0n.....!
Oct 13 10:46:11 <voorstad> especially when I see others here from Nijmegen in the Netherlands :-) (macintostie)
Oct 13 11:00:47 <macintostie> :)
Oct 13 11:02:43 <macintostie> although I suspect you are in Barneveld now??
Oct 13 11:05:18 <voorstad> haha
Oct 13 11:06:09 <voorstad> I have to much advertised for fon I suppose....
Oct 13 11:07:54 <macintostie> it's just a trace of the ip address you are using, nothing fancy
Oct 13 11:08:07 <voorstad> I suspect you are at the KUN right now?
Oct 13 11:09:03 <voorstad> Just a wild guess, nothing fancy :-)
Oct 13 11:09:20 <macintostie> yeah, although it is called radboud university now
Oct 13 11:10:59 <voorstad> Right. And mr. Jansen is your prof?
Oct 13 11:11:25 <blogic> Barneveld ?
Oct 13 11:11:27 <blogic> what is that
Oct 13 11:11:41 <voorstad> Like Madrid hahahahahaha
Oct 13 11:12:02 <blogic> edinburgh is a nice place
Oct 13 11:12:10 <blogic> i lived in st-andrews for 6 years
Oct 13 11:12:19 <blogic> and peebles for 3 years before that
Oct 13 11:12:23 <blogic> lovely area
Oct 13 11:12:38 <macintostie> blogic: Barneveld is a little town in the middle of the netherlands, with more chickens as inhabitants
Oct 13 11:13:05 <voorstad> I am happy to leave Barneveld for home: Nijmegen
Oct 13 11:13:28 <macintostie> voorstad: you're working there?
Oct 13 11:13:33 <voorstad> yup
Oct 13 11:15:33 <macintostie> Voorstadslaan , Nijmegen, 6541SW, NL
Oct 13 11:15:48 <macintostie> guess I know where you live :)
Oct 13 11:16:06 <voorstad> A very good FON spot by the way
Oct 13 11:16:09 <voorstad> :-)
Oct 13 11:16:32 <voorstad> Already made € 1,49 :-)
Oct 13 11:16:58 <macintostie> huh
Oct 13 11:17:03 <macintostie> I wouldn't have guessed that
Oct 13 11:18:00 <VinFon> Hello
Oct 13 11:18:12 <voorstad> And what about your prof, was I right?
Oct 13 11:19:44 <VinFon> I came here last Friday for a problem with a USB 3G and USB hub
Oct 13 11:21:15 <blathijs> VinFon: Your Fonspot broke when a hub + device was plugged in, right?
Oct 13 11:21:22 <VinFon> I try to do what you had suggested but it still does not work
Oct 13 11:21:42 <VinFon> yes right
Oct 13 11:24:30 <VinFon> The problem is when I plug the USB 3G in the hub, it is recognize, the wifi connexion is good with the dashboard. But as soon as the 3G connexion is established, the connexion to the dashboard takes long long time
Oct 13 11:24:58 <VinFon> I can still connect with ssh
Oct 13 11:26:04 <VinFon> What log could I provide to you to help ?
Oct 13 11:41:06 <VinFon> Does anyone ever had this problem?
Oct 13 11:46:33 <iurgi> hmm
Oct 13 11:46:34 <iurgi> no
Oct 13 11:46:41 <iurgi> I think blogic replied to you?
Oct 13 11:46:47 <iurgi> did he ask you for model etc?
Oct 13 11:46:55 <VinFon> yes
Oct 13 11:47:03 <VinFon> I did what he told me
Oct 13 11:47:11 <VinFon> but without result
Oct 13 11:47:55 <blogic> VinFon: run top please and tell me if any process is going awol
Oct 13 11:48:52 <VinFon> usr/bin/lua /Apps/umtsd.lua
Oct 13 11:49:09 <VinFon> but now I don't use the hub
Oct 13 11:49:41 <blogic> this happens only with a hub ?
Oct 13 11:49:46 <blogic> i mean
Oct 13 11:49:53 <blogic> dashboard is only slow if you add a hub ?
Oct 13 11:49:53 <VinFon> yes
Oct 13 11:50:15 <blogic> hmm
Oct 13 11:50:16 <blogic> ok
Oct 13 11:50:21 <blogic> i iwll try to reproduce this
Oct 13 11:50:32 <VinFon> yes and only when the connection is established 3g
Oct 13 11:52:09 <VinFon> when it's just connected, the key 3G is recognized and that the 3g connection is not established, the connection is with dashboard is ok
Oct 13 13:37:33 <alexsc> had anybody heard something about the fmto fonera?
Oct 13 13:37:39 <alexsc> *femto
Oct 13 13:40:55 <blogic> yes
Oct 13 13:40:57 <blogic> :)
Oct 13 13:48:52 <blathijs> femto?
Oct 13 13:49:24 <blogic> its a router, that does not broadcast a wifi essid but a umts signal
Oct 13 13:49:29 <blogic> 10mw i think i was
Oct 13 13:49:32 <blogic> 50m radius
Oct 13 13:49:37 <blogic> summin like that
Oct 13 13:49:43 <blogic> dont nail me down on the exact details
Oct 13 13:50:12 <blogic> i shpuld read martins blog to see what he blogged so i know what i may say
Oct 13 13:50:13 <blogic> lol
Oct 13 14:41:41 <alexsc> there is no release date yet right? would be nice for my bad signal in home with e-Plus :)
Oct 13 18:04:57 <chicco> buonasera
Oct 13 18:07:10 <Merlin> Hi =)
Oct 13 18:07:51 <iurgi> hi
Oct 13 18:07:56 <iurgi> buonasera chicco
Oct 13 18:09:32 <Merlin> Thanks again for the Fon 2.0 =)
Oct 13 18:09:41 <Merlin> So fast ^^
Oct 13 18:12:05 <Merlin> Good evening btw =P
Oct 13 18:12:23 <iurgi> good evening
Oct 13 18:12:28 <iurgi> happy you like it
Oct 13 18:12:28 <iurgi> :)
Oct 13 18:14:46 <chicco> ciao iurgi... per caso hai una fonera 2.0g?
Oct 13 18:15:07 <Merlin> ^^, I've got 2 small questions concerning the 2.0g btw, just small ones ;) => 1) what's the ssh telnet port? 2) Is there on the fon wiki a clear redboot information page?
Oct 13 18:15:38 <Merlin> have got some spare time now and i cant let it rest =P
Oct 13 18:16:58 <iurgi> 1) merlin telnet or ssh port?
Oct 13 18:17:21 <Merlin> telnet
Oct 13 18:17:46 <iurgi> no telnet on the fonera 2.0g
Oct 13 18:17:58 <iurgi> 2) yes, there is
Oct 13 18:18:03 <Merlin> i've got the 2.0g beta, that one had telnet right?
Oct 13 18:18:11 <iurgi> no
Oct 13 18:18:14 <iurgi> I don't think so
Oct 13 18:18:21 <chicco> ok
Oct 13 18:18:24 <iurgi> :)
Oct 13 18:18:29 <iurgi> chihchun: si
Oct 13 18:18:29 <Merlin> This is a quote from you => If not, you will have to fix it using redboot. Either by serial or by telnet if you got a fonera 2.0 beta...
Oct 13 18:18:33 <iurgi> darn
Oct 13 18:18:40 <iurgi> he just left
Oct 13 18:18:41 <iurgi> :(
Oct 13 18:18:47 <iurgi> I didn't read his message till now
Oct 13 18:19:01 <Merlin> =P
Oct 13 18:19:05 <iurgi> ah
Oct 13 18:19:10 <iurgi> this doesn't mean it has telnet
Oct 13 18:19:11 <iurgi> ;)
Oct 13 18:19:49 <iurgi> it means that redboot does have support for telnet
Oct 13 18:19:59 <iurgi> ;)
Oct 13 18:20:00 <Merlin> aha ok =P
Oct 13 18:20:03 <iurgi> hehe
Oct 13 18:20:10 <Merlin> so i can or can't connect using ssh?
Oct 13 18:20:12 <iurgi> sorry, I thought you meant the fonera firmware
Oct 13 18:20:12 <Merlin> ehr
Oct 13 18:20:13 <Merlin> telnet
Oct 13 18:20:16 <Merlin> =P
Oct 13 18:20:22 <iurgi> yes, but only to redboot
Oct 13 18:20:28 <iurgi> not to the fonera firmware
Oct 13 18:20:42 <Merlin> yeah, i need to use redboot since my firmware and failsafe were fudget up remember? =P
Oct 13 18:20:47 <Merlin> on the 2.0g
Oct 13 18:20:54 <iurgi> ahhhh
Oct 13 18:21:01 <Merlin> so i'm trying to connect now, and i need some more information then i have =P
Oct 13 18:21:02 <iurgi> no failsafe image either?
Oct 13 18:21:05 <Merlin> nop
Oct 13 18:21:06 <Merlin> it does
Oct 13 18:21:07 <Merlin> nothing
Oct 13 18:21:14 <Merlin> ive got a movie, sec
Oct 13 18:21:16 <iurgi> how do you know it does redboot then?
Oct 13 18:21:27 <iurgi> http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/Firmware_Update_Instructions
Oct 13 18:22:16 <Merlin> i don't, but how do i know if it doesn't?
Oct 13 18:47:07 <iurgi> well
Oct 13 18:47:09 <iurgi> any leds?
Oct 13 18:47:22 <iurgi> I can tell you how the leds look like when in redboot... if that helps
Oct 13 18:47:22 <iurgi> :)
Oct 13 18:47:39 <iurgi> actually i can't
Oct 13 18:47:46 <iurgi> my serial cable is broken right now :(
Oct 13 18:48:47 <iurgi> I think power is on (orange) and the rest is off
Oct 13 18:52:23 <blogic> yes
Oct 13 18:54:17 <Merlin> weee
Oct 13 18:54:21 <Merlin> i'm in redboot
Oct 13 18:54:21 <Merlin> xD
Oct 13 18:54:38 <Merlin> but it says, ** Error: Illegal command: "sudo"
Oct 13 18:54:39 <iurgi> nice
Oct 13 18:54:40 <iurgi> :)
Oct 13 18:54:43 <iurgi> lol
Oct 13 18:54:48 <blogic> sudo ?!
Oct 13 18:54:49 <iurgi> just pres enter again
Oct 13 18:54:50 <Merlin> while i'm typing sudo apt0get install atftpd
Oct 13 18:54:51 <iurgi> lol
Oct 13 18:54:54 <Merlin> xD
Oct 13 18:54:54 <Merlin> lol
Oct 13 18:55:11 <iurgi> blogic: probably debian/ubuntu commands psased on to his telnet command line
Oct 13 18:55:21 <iurgi> copy paste or similar...
Oct 13 18:55:51 <Merlin> hmm
Oct 13 18:56:35 <Merlin> on the Firmware_Update_Instructions page it says: sudo apt-get install atftpd and so i did, but it gives the error
Oct 13 18:56:40 <Merlin> probably very noobish this =P
Oct 13 18:56:45 <iurgi> LOL
Oct 13 18:56:52 <iurgi> you don't need to do that on Redboot
Oct 13 18:56:59 <Merlin> xD
Oct 13 18:57:00 <Merlin> ok
Oct 13 18:57:01 <Merlin> :P
Oct 13 18:57:05 <iurgi> are you following the instructions for linux or for windos?
Oct 13 18:57:07 <iurgi> are you following the instructions for linux or for windosw?
Oct 13 18:57:09 <iurgi> are you following the instructions for linux or for windows?
Oct 13 18:57:11 <iurgi> :P
Oct 13 18:58:31 <Merlin> lol, yeah i read on but the windows part was already finished
Oct 13 18:58:34 <Merlin> anyway
Oct 13 18:58:39 <Merlin> i'm into redboot, and then? =P
Oct 13 19:01:13 <iurgi> did you already download the firmware you want to flash?
Oct 13 19:01:21 <iurgi> and did you place it in /tftpboot ?
Oct 13 19:04:12 <Merlin> jep, think its working now, sec =P
Oct 13 19:04:16 <Merlin> ^^
Oct 13 19:04:38 <iurgi> can you run: fi li
Oct 13 19:04:41 <iurgi> and paste it?
Oct 13 19:05:50 <Merlin> ehm, just did the "fis delete image" command and he is running the "fis create image" command right now =)
Oct 13 19:05:58 <Merlin> so cant do anything atm
Oct 13 19:06:07 <Merlin> could take about 20mins right? =)
Oct 13 19:06:50 <iurgi> yes
Oct 13 19:06:53 <iurgi> more
Oct 13 19:09:22 <Merlin> ok, i used the "20090922_FON2202_2.3.0.1_RC1.image" btw, but that doesn't matter right?
Oct 13 19:13:33 <iurgi> why not?
Oct 13 19:13:41 <iurgi> I mean, it does matter
Oct 13 19:13:50 <iurgi> depending on what you use... you get a different firmware
Oct 13 19:13:51 <iurgi> :)
Oct 13 19:46:23 <iurgi> ok, bye bye
Oct 13 19:46:26 <iurgi> time to go home
Oct 13 21:52:49 <willll> Choj1n79
Oct 13 21:53:03 <willll> my bad
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