**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 16 02:59:57 2009 Dec 16 07:48:07 Buongiorno! Dec 16 08:23:20 someone knows what is the best linux distro for compile a new image? Dec 16 08:23:52 good morning :) Dec 16 08:30:54 mmascolo: Not sure if it matters much, IIRC you only need a basic environment with gcc, since all other tools needed are compiled by the build system. Dec 16 08:31:06 mmascolo: It works fine for me on Debian, I guess Ubuntu would be similar. Dec 16 08:33:12 i m trying on ubunto 9 now, but i get errors when i do openwrt feeds install (i m following the wiki guide) Dec 16 08:35:13 when i use "./scripts/feeds install -a" it install many pakages, moslty say already installed.. but next make menuconfig give error and not start. Dec 16 08:36:50 Hmm, I think that worked for me. However, you probably do not want to do install -a, some of the new openwrt packages don't build with the (slightly old) Fon build system Dec 16 08:37:10 mmascolo: You could instead try to just install the dependencies you need Dec 16 08:38:41 oki i will try.. i m just trying to add ipv6 support to my image cause i really need to create an ipv6 tunnel Dec 16 09:06:10 fonera comunity seem to be really aggresive Dec 16 09:12:24 lol Dec 16 09:20:26 heheh Dec 16 09:20:59 i think moslty (like me) are here for lurk and see if some new info come out Dec 16 09:21:15 and sometimes ask for some help :D Dec 16 09:32:27 yep Dec 16 09:33:45 barbon: How do you mean "aggresive"? Dec 16 09:34:28 i think he mean some like a chat where u almost lose the line of the conversation Dec 16 09:37:48 take look of comment on latest news Dec 16 09:43:51 Where is "the latest news" ? Dec 16 09:43:56 Blog.fon.com? Dec 16 09:44:54 i think is the problem of everything that is open to modification. i had see this happen to dreambox too ( an satellite decoder based on linux) . ppl want ever more.. i don't think is the same with a closed router based on proprietary firmware Dec 16 09:45:05 blog.fonosfera.org i think Dec 16 09:45:08 from my point of view, the fonera community is tired of listening to Martin promising things which later on are not delivered Dec 16 09:46:41 they want their stuff to just work as advertised Dec 16 09:47:33 I guess Martin is putting too much pressure on the development team by selling fon's products so well Dec 16 09:54:37 Hmm, those comments are a bit aggresive, indeed Dec 16 09:55:04 <<<---- got my first compiled image.. now i start the one with Ipv6 tunnel support :) Dec 16 09:55:05 Though there is a valid question that remains unanswered: Will 2.3.5 be released for 2.0g as well? Dec 16 09:55:13 mmascolo: Cool :-D Dec 16 09:55:21 they say yes Dec 16 09:55:40 the 2.3.5 will be released for 2.0n and 2.0g Dec 16 09:55:52 till now only 2.0n is released Dec 16 09:56:02 and is a RC Dec 16 09:56:30 I thought that much, but someone official should really clarify that in those comments (or should have done that a lot earlier) Dec 16 09:56:51 Anyway, I just suggested exactly that to iurgi__, so that should probably work out :-) Dec 16 09:59:47 on fon board a guy has released a fon 2.0g 2.3.5.0 firmware Dec 16 10:02:50 home-make? Dec 16 10:04:06 i think he has just selected fon 2.0g on menuconfig then compiled it Dec 16 10:05:06 http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6701 Dec 16 10:11:05 I, for instance, have complaints about the 3g dongle compatibility Dec 16 10:11:16 out of the two I've tried, none worked out of the box Dec 16 10:11:42 which is something that is advertised as one of the main features of the fonera 2.0g and 2.0n Dec 16 10:11:48 3g dongles are a big fuckin mess in linux in general, every dongle except vry few ones need special treatment Dec 16 10:12:21 so ever dongle fon-ng is going to support needs to be tested separately, there are hundrets Dec 16 10:12:53 well, then 3g compatibility should not be advertised as a feature Dec 16 10:13:12 they should just make a list of supported ones Dec 16 10:13:21 if I buy a linksys router with 3g compatibility, I expect it to work Dec 16 10:13:45 and the fonera 2.0n is not a cheap router Dec 16 10:14:51 than god there's a vibrant community, I got my Huwaei k3715 to work after someone figured it out in the boards Dec 16 10:15:05 modeswitch? Dec 16 10:15:34 the fix procedure has been posted in both the forums and the wiki for some time now, and it still hasn't been implemented in the latest RC Dec 16 10:16:07 I because it would break other devices most likely, as I said one needs unique treatment for each device Dec 16 10:16:08 no, it didn't require modeswitch, that's a whole different problem Dec 16 10:16:12 ok Dec 16 10:16:25 why modeswitch hasn't still been implemented is beyond me Dec 16 10:16:44 because its ages of work Dec 16 10:17:08 adding a modeswitch binary is easy, having the right config for every possible dogle is not Dec 16 10:17:47 well, I'm no developer, nor would I want to be one, but modeswitch is currentll working in openwrt, and a config file with dozens of different dongles is widely public Dec 16 10:18:40 yeah but you cannot enable all dozent different procedures at once, so there's still the need to choose the right one per dongle :) Dec 16 10:19:50 on OpenWrt one expects that you need to edit this and that via ssh terminal to get it running, on fong-ng users expect plug and play, thats the problem imho Dec 16 10:20:06 you can't tell them to flash devel firmware, open ssh and edit modeswitch.conf Dec 16 10:20:31 I mean you can but, it'll be to hard for many users I believe Dec 16 10:20:34 I guess you are right, but then again, it's been a long time since fon was just a cool thing when we paid few euros for a subsidized linksys router Dec 16 10:20:47 that's my point precisely Dec 16 10:21:06 fon audience is not a bunch of geeks anymore Dec 16 10:21:58 yes Dec 16 10:24:06 selling a 80€ product entitles the customer to some rights I guess Dec 16 10:25:10 the right to have a product that just works, which is by the way one thing that fon should learn from apple Dec 16 10:25:26 you're right. Somehow I have the impression that his is more a marketing vs. engineering situation :) Dec 16 10:25:31 *this Dec 16 10:25:41 ciao a tutti Dec 16 10:26:05 iurgi, are you here? Dec 16 10:27:01 yeah, that was what my first comment was about, the pressure that marketing is putting on fon developers Dec 16 10:28:07 I'm sure they do all they can to have the best product possible, but that just isn't enough to meet the expectations raised by the marketer Dec 16 10:29:06 yes, esp. time-wise Dec 16 10:33:43 giuseppeg88, iurgi is awake, he's just not here I guess. He just answered an email in the fonosfera distribution list Dec 16 10:34:52 thx molgar Dec 16 11:14:49 Is any fonera developer here? I am newbie! Dec 16 11:17:35 sempre: Hi! Dec 16 11:18:08 sempre: Then here's a first tip: If you have a question, you'd better just ask it, instead of asking if there is anyone who wants to answer it :-) Dec 16 11:20:51 ok! here is the question! Dec 16 11:21:04 Is the most newest firmware capable of: Dec 16 11:21:16 Receive internet signal from my other wireless router and re-distribute the signal himself by wireless AND ethernet? Dec 16 11:21:31 Don´t know if it is bridge, client or whatever! I just know what i'm want him to do... Dec 16 11:21:46 Recognize a USB pen, formated with 2 partition, 1 swap and other ext3, with 2GB and use the swap in that pen, and run "mini" programs from that pen previously Dec 16 11:21:57 compiled for mips? Dec 16 11:22:05 Thanks in advance and sorry for my english! I am Portuguese! Dec 16 11:26:24 sempre: Yes, it can do exactly that (wifi client mode means it can connect to your other wireless router, and bridge mode means it can simply join the networks together, instead of separating the networks and performing additional translation) Dec 16 11:27:01 sempre: If you setup the swap stuff yourself through SSH, you can use swap on a pen Dec 16 11:27:32 sempre: Also, compiling your own programs is possible, by building your own image you get all the right cross-compilers for free as well. Dec 16 11:36:10 OK! thanks! then i am going to try this new firmware, and see if i can make it work as i want! Dec 16 11:41:16 sempre: Be sure to give feedback, there might be some issues left (There's at least an issue with the public Wifi signal, which seems to be non-functional in RC2) Dec 16 11:43:16 ok! Later, at home, I will say something! Dec 16 14:19:58 I found a problem with the upload of my fonera (fw 2.3.5). On the status page is shows an upload at ~20/25 without any traffic from the lan (wireless is off, trasmission is off), what's happen? Dec 16 15:03:32 Any idea about my upload problem ? Dec 16 20:08:51 giuseppeg88: news?? Dec 16 20:54:39 hi do i access tehmedia server with windows media player? Dec 16 20:54:47 s/hi/hi, how/ Dec 16 22:59:49 cippo7585: purtroppo nessuna news **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 17 02:59:58 2009