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Feb 02 12:17:44 <Barbon> iurgi o/
Feb 02 12:38:33 <iurgi> hi barbon
Feb 02 12:39:50 <Barbon> how is going?
Feb 02 12:40:45 <iurgi> kind of well
Feb 02 12:40:58 <iurgi> been extremely busy since beginning of dec :(
Feb 02 12:41:09 <iurgi> a bit sorry not to have been around here so often
Feb 02 12:43:25 <Barbon> iurgi: http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs159.snc3/18648_1315701581882_1510980767_30833857_6630982_n.jpg
Feb 02 12:44:41 <iurgi> lol
Feb 02 12:44:42 <iurgi> yeah
Feb 02 12:44:45 <iurgi> I saw that
Feb 02 12:44:49 <iurgi> XD
Feb 02 12:47:33 <Barbon> iurgi how is going?
Feb 02 12:47:57 <Barbon> maybe it's time to post a new news in the blog
Feb 02 12:48:04 <Barbon> some people think the fon is dead ^^
Feb 02 12:49:20 <OdyX> iurgi: I would really appreciate a "we haven't forgotten you, we want to do this and this and we won't do …"
Feb 02 12:53:33 <OdyX> just to not let "us" in the wild
Feb 02 12:54:00 <Barbon> right
Feb 02 13:06:06 <iurgi> right
Feb 02 13:06:09 <iurgi> you are right
Feb 02 13:06:21 <iurgi> I've just been completely overtasked
Feb 02 13:06:31 <iurgi> I'll try to get some minutes to at least write that
Feb 02 13:07:01 <iurgi> let's see if I can schedule a new firmware release and then I try to give an estimation of when it will be ready
Feb 02 13:07:05 <iurgi> a fixed 2.3.5.0
Feb 02 13:10:33 <OdyX> iurgi: I'd do the opposite: first write that you intend to, and then do
Feb 02 13:10:35 <OdyX> :->
Feb 02 13:10:50 <OdyX> and btw, where did you develop the code ?
Feb 02 13:11:20 <OdyX> still on trunk fon-ng on fonosfera trac ?
Feb 02 13:25:00 <iurgi> OdyX: internal fon svn
Feb 02 13:25:39 <blathijs> iurgi: Why?
Feb 02 13:26:54 <OdyX> iurgi: that sounds like a nonsense for me.
Feb 02 13:34:46 <OdyX> iurgi: there is no way we can help/collaborate/be constructive if we can't access the code
Feb 02 13:38:13 <iurgi> well, just happened like that
Feb 02 13:38:23 <iurgi> you still have 99% of the code in fonosfera svn
Feb 02 13:38:36 <iurgi> and as soon as we have something usable to release, it will be there as well
Feb 02 13:39:06 <iurgi> I appreciate your willingness to help, but most of the bugs are there for anyone to help with
Feb 02 13:39:23 <iurgi> most of the help we get is bugreporting or people helping others though
Feb 02 13:39:29 <iurgi> not usually coding
Feb 02 13:39:35 <OdyX> yeah, but I won't dig trough code to get bugs resolved if I don't have the latest code...
Feb 02 13:39:42 <iurgi> but we're happy to receive any kind of help
Feb 02 13:40:14 <iurgi> OdyX: yeah, I guess so, but that never happened before anyway, I guess we just naturally did it that way
Feb 02 13:40:18 <iurgi> but nothing to worry about
Feb 02 13:40:27 <iurgi> as soon as we release it we will keep working on the public one
Feb 02 13:40:27 <OdyX> iurgi: the problem is that you can't ask people to just help you in triaging bugs… If you want a community momentum, "give the code".
Feb 02 13:40:30 <iurgi> don't worry
Feb 02 13:40:44 <iurgi> OdyX: the code was always there
Feb 02 13:40:50 <iurgi> just this time happened like this
Feb 02 13:40:52 <OdyX> I just worry for your "public image" in the geek crowd…
Feb 02 13:40:57 <iurgi> I don't think it's something to blame us on
Feb 02 13:41:03 <OdyX> I don't blame.
Feb 02 13:41:13 <iurgi> and well, we are not hiding any code, to be honest
Feb 02 13:41:20 <OdyX> I just want to point out unusal things  in the FLOSS world
Feb 02 13:41:27 <iurgi> in the very worst case, it's code of binaries that haven't been released yet
Feb 02 13:41:32 <iurgi> unusual?
Feb 02 13:41:42 <iurgi> Hmmmm I think I disagree with you on that
Feb 02 13:42:02 <OdyX> well… I agree that non-communication might be usual…
Feb 02 13:42:11 <iurgi> I would say a big percentage of the FLOSS projects driven by companies release the code along with the binary
Feb 02 13:42:15 <OdyX> we have been left in the dark for months now…
Feb 02 13:42:21 <iurgi> and fon has been an exception to that very often
Feb 02 13:42:24 <iurgi> and we intend to be
Feb 02 13:42:25 <OdyX> iurgi: tru.
Feb 02 13:42:28 <OdyX> true even.
Feb 02 13:42:36 <OdyX> iurgi: I really appreciate that…
Feb 02 13:42:54 <iurgi> the miscommunitacion has probably been caused by 2 factors
Feb 02 13:43:00 <iurgi> overload and frustration
Feb 02 13:43:08 <OdyX> the weird thing (which creates the weird feeling most people here certainly feel) is that non-communication in the last weeks/months, leaving us in the dark.
Feb 02 13:43:24 <iurgi> I understand and that's why I said I was sorry
Feb 02 13:43:30 <iurgi> I hope we will get this back on track
Feb 02 13:43:36 <blathijs> And not working on the public repository confirms that feeling...
Feb 02 13:43:38 <OdyX> overload is "your" problem and frustration is "ours"…
Feb 02 13:43:43 <iurgi> blathijs: indeed
Feb 02 13:43:51 <iurgi> OdyX: frustration is also ours
Feb 02 13:43:52 <iurgi> :)
Feb 02 13:43:54 <blathijs> "They're not even working on anything"
Feb 02 13:44:10 <OdyX> we just feel that FON disappeard from the earth's surface, leaving us with 99€ "useless" boxes
Feb 02 13:44:50 <OdyX> iurgi: the blogpost doesn't need to be extensive: a short "we are alive and sound, willing to provide news and software soon" is really enough.
Feb 02 13:45:34 <iurgi> OdyX: not sure if that is enough for all
Feb 02 13:45:57 <OdyX> iurgi: I'd say its waaaay better than another week of silence.
Feb 02 13:46:28 <Barbon> #  schunz Says:
Feb 02 13:46:30 <Barbon> February 1st, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Feb 02 13:46:31 <Barbon> I turned off my FON_Hotspot signal today.
Feb 02 13:46:33 <Barbon> lol
Feb 02 13:47:35 <OdyX> well… I'm not, because the FON idea is great...
Feb 02 13:47:41 <OdyX> and free.
Feb 02 13:47:46 <iurgi> Barbon: i'm happy to see that the functionality is being used :)
Feb 02 13:47:58 <iurgi> with other devices you can't even do that if you're unhappy
Feb 02 13:48:05 <iurgi> you would have to turn it off
Feb 02 13:48:15 <Barbon> i dont have turned off
Feb 02 13:48:20 <Barbon> that guy have do it
Feb 02 13:48:26 <iurgi> with our firmware at least you can turn it off and keep using any of the other functionalities if they work for you ;)
Feb 02 13:48:28 <Barbon> i use fon signal on  my shop :P
Feb 02 13:48:29 <iurgi> Barbon: I know
Feb 02 13:48:32 <Danicasti> Hi guys!
Feb 02 13:48:35 <iurgi> Barbon: good :)
Feb 02 13:48:49 <Danicasti> iurgi: you have read this? http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6991
Feb 02 13:49:08 <Danicasti> Is possible to enable into the n firmware?
Feb 02 13:49:10 <OdyX> iurgi: for what matters, I'm supporting you and FON to keep up on the good track. My criticism is meant constructively.
Feb 02 13:49:26 <Danicasti> Into g is enabled.... :)
Feb 02 13:50:18 <iurgi> Danicasti: the serial is enabled on the f20n too
Feb 02 13:50:34 <iurgi> you just need the cables connected properly
Feb 02 13:50:42 <iurgi> I will take a picture of mine and post it somewhere
Feb 02 13:51:00 <Danicasti> uhm... i have the same cable in the g... and works
Feb 02 13:51:13 <iurgi> OdyX: I can feel that and appreciate it
Feb 02 13:51:15 <Danicasti> but in the n not work
Feb 02 13:51:21 <iurgi> Danicasti: g and n are different
Feb 02 13:51:27 <iurgi> they have a different pinout
Feb 02 13:51:46 <Danicasti> not to the serial but into the usb
Feb 02 13:51:52 <iurgi> ?
Feb 02 13:51:57 <Danicasti> usb to rs232
Feb 02 13:52:25 <iurgi> Danicasti: but you connect the rs232 to the board, right?
Feb 02 13:52:37 <Danicasti> no....
Feb 02 13:52:49 <blathijs> iurgi: No, connecting a rs232->usb convertor to the FOnera's USB port
Feb 02 13:52:56 <Danicasti> i have connect a usb-232 converter
Feb 02 13:53:10 <iurgi> hmmm what for?
Feb 02 13:53:15 <blathijs> Which probably needs the pl2302 or something like that driver
Feb 02 13:53:25 <Danicasti> for communicate wit a PIC
Feb 02 13:53:27 <iurgi> you want to see the serial console of the fonera over the usb-serial interface?
Feb 02 13:53:31 <iurgi> ahhhh
Feb 02 13:53:32 <iurgi> ok
Feb 02 13:53:33 <iurgi> got it
Feb 02 13:53:42 <iurgi> Danicasti: hmmm I am not sure how to do this
Feb 02 13:53:42 <iurgi> :o
Feb 02 13:53:50 <Danicasti> :(
Feb 02 13:53:58 <iurgi> did you compile the module of the krenel?
Feb 02 13:54:19 <Danicasti> if i connect a converter into g create a /dev/ttyUSB0
Feb 02 13:54:34 <Danicasti> but into n ..... silence....
Feb 02 13:54:38 <Danicasti> :(
Feb 02 13:55:14 <iurgi> Danicasti: have you compiled a firmware yourself?
Feb 02 13:55:31 <Danicasti> iurgi: no...
Feb 02 13:55:38 <iurgi> Danicasti: then it makes sense
Feb 02 13:55:46 <iurgi> I don't think the module is built into the kernel
Feb 02 13:55:49 <iurgi> you should add it
Feb 02 13:56:32 <Danicasti> can add you? I can not do
Feb 02 13:58:45 <iurgi> should not be very difficult
Feb 02 13:58:47 <Danicasti> :(
Feb 02 13:58:50 <iurgi> I can't remember how it is done
Feb 02 13:59:03 <iurgi> but it is something like running make kernel-config
Feb 02 13:59:06 <Danicasti> I not have Linux at home...
Feb 02 13:59:10 <iurgi> oh
Feb 02 13:59:21 <iurgi> maybe someone ca nhelp you
Feb 02 13:59:29 <iurgi> I'm sure skynetbbs is willing to
Feb 02 13:59:33 <iurgi> and might be able to
Feb 02 13:59:35 <iurgi> he likes this things
Feb 02 13:59:47 <iurgi> you should get linux
Feb 02 13:59:48 <iurgi> ;)
Feb 02 13:59:53 <iurgi> this is a good excuse for it
Feb 02 13:59:53 <iurgi> hehe
Feb 02 13:59:58 <iurgi> gotta go for lunch
Feb 02 13:59:59 <iurgi> bbl
Feb 02 14:00:26 <Danicasti> :) Ok ok... good lunch!
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