**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 11 02:59:57 2010
Aug 11 09:31:25 <arcsky> blathijs: moin
Aug 11 09:34:04 <blathijs> hey arcsky
Aug 11 09:34:10 <blathijs> arcsky: Got your serial cable yet? :-)
Aug 11 09:34:16 <arcsky> yeah
Aug 11 09:34:27 <arcsky> but seems hard to make this
Aug 11 09:34:30 <arcsky> very small pins
Aug 11 09:34:46 <blathijs> No standard connector?
Aug 11 09:34:59 <arcsky> http://halfface.se/wiki/index.php/File:Ca-42_dku-5_pinout.jpg
Aug 11 09:35:28 <arcsky> pin 6 7 and 8 i need
Aug 11 09:35:52 <blathijs> Ah, right. Perhaps you should just cut off the connector and solder a new connector on?
Aug 11 09:36:30 <blathijs> Hmm, I think I have the same serial cable idling around here :-)
Aug 11 09:36:48 <blathijs> though mine has all 15 pins or something present
Aug 11 09:37:30 <blathijs> I take it you've seen http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/wiki/serial as well?
Aug 11 09:37:58 <arcsky> ye
Aug 11 09:38:38 <arcsky> if i cut the serial off
Aug 11 09:38:46 <arcsky> how can i know which wire are which
Aug 11 09:39:04 <blathijs> you can get a multimeter and find out which pin connects to which wire
Aug 11 09:39:15 <blathijs> though that only works if the wires are coloured, of course...
Aug 11 09:39:34 <blathijs> if you understand what I mean
Aug 11 09:40:02 <arcsky> ye
Aug 11 09:40:38 <blathijs> You could try opening it up very carefully, taking care not to cut the cables if they are not coloured
Aug 11 09:40:48 <blathijs> and then cut, measure and label them one by one
Aug 11 09:41:09 <arcsky> i dont have this equipment
Aug 11 09:41:10 <arcsky> grr
Aug 11 09:41:36 <blathijs> if you have a battery and a bicycle light, you could use that :-)
Aug 11 09:41:38 <arcsky> but i think i have a friend which like this
Aug 11 09:41:45 <arcsky> hehe
Aug 11 10:24:37 <arcsky> blathijs: do you know if anyone have tested ur instructions ? http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/FON2202_Enable_Redboot
Aug 11 10:24:46 <arcsky> i dont want to damge my fonera
Aug 11 10:51:32 <blathijs> I have tested them, but noone els I think
Aug 11 10:55:06 <blathijs> arcsky: I can give you my redboot config and customized firmware, if you want to try
Aug 11 10:59:15 <arcsky> but ist possible that i can damage mine?
Aug 11 11:01:26 <blathijs> yes, but I don't think it's likely
Aug 11 11:01:35 <arcsky> ok
Aug 11 11:01:39 <arcsky> how do i do?
Aug 11 11:01:48 <blathijs> the problem with these kinds of operations is that even though the chances of failure are small, there is some potential of breaking things real good
Aug 11 11:02:09 <blathijs> so that means the risk (chance multiplied by impact) is still high
Aug 11 11:02:20 <blathijs> but you already have the serial cable to troubleshoot if it fails :-)
Aug 11 11:02:29 <arcsky> ye
Aug 11 11:02:44 <arcsky> ist just take ur firmware in webinterface?
Aug 11 11:02:59 <blathijs> No, you'll have to flash it in through SSH with the mtd command
Aug 11 11:03:55 <arcsky> okok
Aug 11 11:05:10 <blathijs> Here's instructions http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/wiki/sshflash
Aug 11 11:05:54 <blathijs> I'm uploading the image now
Aug 11 11:06:09 <arcsky> ok
Aug 11 11:06:11 <arcsky> ;>
Aug 11 11:12:05 <blathijs> http://www.stdout.nl/static/tmp/openwrt-fonera2.image
Aug 11 11:12:14 <blathijs> that's the patched firmware
Aug 11 11:12:17 <blathijs> http://www.stdout.nl/static/tmp/redboot-config
Aug 11 11:12:29 <blathijs> and that's the updated config
Aug 11 11:13:24 <blathijs> Don't forget to doublecheck the md5sums when the instructions show them
Aug 11 11:14:38 <arcsky> nice
Aug 11 11:14:47 <arcsky> are you here later today ? im going soon to play golf
Aug 11 11:18:40 <blathijs> I should be here all day
Aug 11 11:19:10 <arcsky> ;>
Aug 11 11:19:18 <arcsky> where are you from btw?
Aug 11 11:19:21 <arcsky> im from sweden
Aug 11 11:21:49 <blathijs> .nl
Aug 11 11:22:45 <arcsky> ;)
Aug 11 11:22:56 <arcsky> i have been in amsterdam this summer
Aug 11 11:23:00 <arcsky> Sensation White party
Aug 11 11:24:30 <blathijs> Ah, nice
Aug 11 17:24:27 <derflooh> hey blathijs, here is the full output of logread: http://nopaste.info/02e48d372c.html
Aug 11 17:25:56 <blathijs> Hmm, still no fonsmcd errors in there..
Aug 11 17:27:41 <blathijs> derflooh: What does your network setup look like? Any chance there could be errors connecting?
Aug 11 17:28:12 <blathijs> Due to strict firewall on your modem/router or something?
Aug 11 17:28:26 <blathijs> (I think it's an UDP packet that should get through)
Aug 11 17:29:22 <derflooh> i live in a student dorm. the net is the university net. i don't know of any restrictions. can I test that?
Aug 11 17:32:44 <derflooh> i have no other device between me and the net except the fonera, so maybe the university is blocking something
Aug 11 17:42:27 <blathijs> derflooh: UDP is a bit hard to test, I'm also not sure what the Fonera is sending exactly...
Aug 11 17:44:35 <derflooh> here is the output of nmap from my laptop: http://nopaste.info/8257772607.html ports seems to be reachable
Aug 11 17:47:20 <blathijs> Heh, you've found the config file, I see :-)
Aug 11 17:47:41 <blathijs> derflooh: What's the Fonera's public IP address? Is it static?
Aug 11 17:48:02 <blathijs> Then I ask someone to check the heartbeat server for incoming requests
Aug 11 17:48:04 <derflooh> yes, but the ip is not reachable from the internet
Aug 11 17:48:19 <blathijs> The first public IP, then?
Aug 11 17:48:26 <blathijs> (e.g., use whatsmyip.org or something)
Aug 11 17:48:37 * blathijs is off for dinner, please query me with the address
Aug 11 17:48:43 <blathijs> I'll hope to have more info tomorrow
Aug 11 17:56:24 <derflooh> root@Fonera:~# /usr/sbin/fonsmcd -c
Aug 11 17:56:24 <derflooh> fonsmcd not running
Aug 11 17:56:24 <derflooh> root@Fonera:~# /usr/sbin/fonsmcd
Aug 11 17:56:25 <derflooh> Daemon already running on PID file 1969
Aug 11 17:56:25 <derflooh> lol
Aug 11 18:09:10 <blathijs> hmm, that's weird :-)
Aug 11 18:10:25 <blathijs> Hey cool, you've found commandline options for fonsmcd :-)
Aug 11 18:10:29 <blathijs> Never even tried that
Aug 11 18:10:49 <derflooh> -? gives help
Aug 11 18:10:51 <blathijs> seems your fonscmd output from your query shows "offline", but for some reason those errors aren't in logread
Aug 11 18:11:02 <blathijs> yeah, --help as well, but it never occured to me to try :-)
Aug 11 18:11:39 <derflooh> where does fonsmcd come from? there seems to be no source
Aug 11 18:12:44 <blathijs> nope, it's a binary only thing
Aug 11 18:13:18 <blathijs> There's source of it somewhere within FON, but there is a layer of obscurity over it. I've never seen source so far either
Aug 11 18:14:06 <blathijs> derflooh: This is how it should look: http://nopaste.info/695b2d59b7.html
Aug 11 18:15:40 <blathijs> Let's build tcpdump to see what really happens
Aug 11 18:16:19 <derflooh> ok
Aug 11 18:17:02 <blathijs> It's hard to dump traffic external to the Fonera, so having a working tcpdump around was on my list for a while :-)
Aug 11 18:17:46 <blathijs> Hmm, that uses PKG_INSTALL, so the openwrt package probably won't work right away...
Aug 11 18:18:17 <arcsky> back
Aug 11 18:23:54 <arcsky> blathijs: sup?
Aug 11 18:26:51 <blathijs> arcsky: Trying to get derflooh's Fonera to register :-)
Aug 11 18:27:14 <arcsky> whaat do you mean with register ?
Aug 11 18:27:42 <derflooh> http://nopaste.info/54647b30ff.html this
Aug 11 18:29:30 <arcsky> dns problem?
Aug 11 18:30:00 <arcsky> blathijs: ok md5sum are correct
Aug 11 18:32:00 <blathijs> arcsky: I'll be away the rest of the night, so any questions will have to wait until tomorrow
Aug 11 18:32:23 <arcsky> noooooooooo
Aug 11 18:32:24 <arcsky> really?
Aug 11 18:33:26 <blathijs> yup, sorry
Aug 11 18:33:34 <blathijs> I'll be here all day tomorrow again
Aug 11 18:33:47 <blathijs> derflooh: Could you drop by tomorrow as well? Got to go now...
Aug 11 18:34:04 <derflooh> yes
Aug 11 18:34:09 <blathijs> thanks
Aug 11 18:34:11 <blathijs> cya!
Aug 11 18:36:13 <arcsky> matthijs@xanthe:~/fconfig$ make
Aug 11 18:36:14 <arcsky> ...
Aug 11 18:36:19 <arcsky> i dont got make
Aug 11 18:36:27 <arcsky> ok cyaa
Aug 11 18:50:07 <derflooh> opkg install tcpdump seems to work
Aug 11 18:56:57 <derflooh> 18:56:27.116928 IP 10.149.39.64.59721 > 10.149.32.2.53: 6933+ A? cthulhu.fon.com. (33)
Aug 11 18:56:57 <derflooh> 18:56:27.117597 IP 10.149.32.2.53 > 10.149.39.64.59721: 6933 1/5/5 A 213.134.45.88 (231)
Aug 11 18:56:57 <derflooh> 18:56:27.119238 IP 10.149.39.64.32722 > 213.134.45.88.53: 7044+[|domain]
Aug 11 18:56:58 <derflooh> 18:56:27.120967 IP 10.149.39.64.6017 > 213.134.45.88.53: 20311+[|domain]
Aug 11 18:57:14 <derflooh> dns seems to work, but what is [|domain]?
Aug 11 19:50:08 <blathijs> arcsky: You don't need that step, since I gave you a fixed redboot-config file
Aug 11 19:50:25 <blathijs> arcsky: You can skip ahead, like step 2 or 3 says
Aug 11 19:50:41 <blathijs> derflooh: Hmm, that saves building :-)
Aug 11 19:51:13 <derflooh> blathijs: the problem is that from the univesity network 213.134.45.88 is not reachable for a dns query
Aug 11 19:51:15 <blathijs> derflooh: You could write out the dump using -w (IIRC) and open it up in wireshark for details
Aug 11 19:51:39 <derflooh> blathijs: i tried: dig @213.134.45.88 test TXT
Aug 11 19:51:52 <derflooh> this works from my server, but not from here
Aug 11 19:51:59 <blathijs> derflooh: I'm not sure if cthulhu is responding to..
Aug 11 19:51:59 <blathijs> oh
Aug 11 19:52:04 <blathijs> hmm, that's weird
Aug 11 19:52:21 <blathijs> (Also, I'd have expected packets to go to port 54, like the config says...)
Aug 11 19:52:24 <derflooh> the [|domain] paket is a dns TXT query
Aug 11 19:53:06 <blathijs> ah, right :-)
Aug 11 19:53:35 <blathijs> I love people who find out things by themselves :-)
Aug 11 19:53:43 <derflooh> :)
Aug 11 19:53:46 <blathijs> Sounds like a problem in your network, then?
Aug 11 19:53:53 * blathijs is off again, commercial break is over ;-)
Aug 11 19:53:53 <derflooh> yes
Aug 11 19:54:28 <arcsky> blathijs: yoo
Aug 11 20:33:01 <derflooh> the fonera sends a dns query to cthulhu.fon.com with some sort of hash or encrypted value and cthulhu answers with a similar answer. since the university network is blocking outgoing dns queries (just found out about) my fonsmcd thinks it can not resolve cthulhu.fon.com
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