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Aug 24 07:09:15 <blathijs> Morning
Aug 24 08:22:54 <giuseppeg88> blathijs: hi!
Aug 24 08:23:13 <giuseppeg88> about fon-spot:
Aug 24 08:23:25 <blathijs> morning, giuseppeg88
Aug 24 08:23:56 <giuseppeg88> I test it in 3 foneras
Aug 24 08:24:56 <giuseppeg88> in the fonera 2.0n with 2.3.6.0 and in the fonera 2.0g I haven't the migration page
Aug 24 08:26:49 <giuseppeg88> only in the fonera 2.0n with 2.3.6.1 rc1
Aug 24 08:27:55 <giuseppeg88> * I receive the migration page only in the fonera 2.0n with 2.3.6.1 rc1
Aug 24 08:28:13 <blathijs> hmm, funky
Aug 24 08:28:36 <blathijs> giuseppeg88: As for the pppoe bug, did that Fonera ever operate in Wifi-wan mode?
Aug 24 08:30:43 <giuseppeg88> no, because in the 2.3.6.1 rc1 there aren't the wifi-wan mode (if I understood your question)
Aug 24 08:32:10 <giuseppeg88> with the old fw, I haven't used the wifi-wan mode with THIS fonera
Aug 24 08:32:20 <giuseppeg88> ops
Aug 24 08:32:23 <giuseppeg88> a min
Aug 24 08:32:40 <giuseppeg88> I am confused
Aug 24 08:33:08 <giuseppeg88> yes yes... with old fw I used the wifi-wan mode
Aug 24 08:33:14 <blathijs> on this Fonera?
Aug 24 08:33:18 <giuseppeg88> with this fonera
Aug 24 08:33:24 <blathijs> Did you ever do a factory reset since then, or only upgrades?
Aug 24 08:33:37 <giuseppeg88> only upgrades
Aug 24 08:34:13 <giuseppeg88> why?
Aug 24 08:34:37 <blathijs> The "apcli0" that is in your /etc/config/network is related to wifi-wan mode
Aug 24 08:39:23 <giuseppeg88> is this that causes the problem, right?
Aug 24 08:41:22 <blathijs> Possibly, but I'm not sure
Aug 24 08:41:53 <giuseppeg88> it is strange that this configuration has remained... before updating the fonera, I set it with a static IP (removing the wifi-wan mode)
Aug 24 08:42:12 <blathijs> (the thing is, the network config from Josemi shows "eth0.2" for the wan ifname, which doesn't seem right either)
Aug 24 08:42:36 <blathijs> giuseppeg88: Could you give me the output of uci -p /var/state show network
Aug 24 08:43:08 <blathijs> giuseppeg88: uci keeps config in /etc/config, but also in /var/state. Perhaps that is also being used and perhaps that overwrites the ifname
Aug 24 08:43:31 <giuseppeg88> one minute, so I connect with it
Aug 24 08:44:17 <blathijs> ok
Aug 24 08:46:56 <giuseppeg88_> done: http://pastebin.com/a3nvZ53A
Aug 24 08:50:48 <blathijs> giuseppeg88: Right, your wan.ifname also says network.wan.ifname=eth0.2
Aug 24 08:51:00 <blathijs> I'm expecting that Josemi's says ppp0 there
Aug 24 08:54:32 <Josemi> Good morning :-)
Aug 24 08:55:10 <giuseppeg88> what is the correct value that we should be?
Aug 24 08:55:20 <giuseppeg88> Hi Josemi
Aug 24 08:57:39 <blathijs> giuseppeg88: I'm not sure, I think ppp0
Aug 24 08:57:48 <giuseppeg88> ok
Aug 24 08:57:49 <blathijs> Josemi: Ey Josemi, thanks for showing so quickly :-)
Aug 24 08:58:06 <blathijs> Josemi: Could you give me the output of "uci -p /var/state show network" ?
Aug 24 08:58:10 <Josemi> yes
Aug 24 08:58:18 <Josemi> give me a minute
Aug 24 08:59:44 <Josemi> http://pastebin.com/UfEhp5aC
Aug 24 09:05:31 <blathijs> Yup, Josemi's output has network.wan.ifname=ppp0
Aug 24 09:06:04 <blathijs> So at least I know know why it is in fact working for Josemi (and it seems that the apcli stuff just isn't related, it's just not used anyway)
Aug 24 09:07:17 <Josemi> What is the giuseppeg88´s problem you are talking about?
Aug 24 09:07:36 <Josemi> Fon "migration" page when login on the fonspot maybe?
Aug 24 09:08:01 <blathijs> No, the PPPoE address not showing up on the dashboard
Aug 24 09:08:32 <Josemi> ah, ok
Aug 24 09:10:53 <giuseppeg88> Josemi: the same of yesterday: the ip isn't shown when the Fonera is in pppoe
Aug 24 09:11:13 <Josemi> Is there anyone else with the same problem?
Aug 24 09:11:15 <Josemi> It is common?
Aug 24 09:12:25 <Josemi> Will it block 2.3.6.1 release?
Aug 24 09:22:31 <blathijs> Josemi: I've only heard it once. But if it is indeed a regression in 2.3.6.1, I want to investigate it a bit further
Aug 24 09:22:42 <Josemi> ok
Aug 24 09:22:47 <blathijs> but I don't think it will block the release (perhaps delay it for a few hours)
Aug 24 09:31:18 <giuseppeg88> I move away a bit; if you need me, you write my name, okay?
Aug 24 09:32:16 <blathijs> giuseppeg88: ok
Aug 24 09:41:27 <Tas> hi
Aug 24 09:41:42 <Josemi> Hi Tas
Aug 24 09:44:13 <Josemi> Do you want something?
Aug 24 09:44:42 <Josemi> blathijs: Do you want something?
Aug 24 09:44:48 <Josemi> I have to go
Aug 24 09:44:59 <Josemi> If you need me, you have my email address ;-)
Aug 24 09:45:01 <Tas> no, I just became a fonero, and i'm taking a look :-D
Aug 24 09:45:14 <Josemi> Tas: That´s good :)
Aug 24 09:45:33 <Josemi> Tas: Where are you from?
Aug 24 09:45:45 <Tas> Josemi: i'm from italy
Aug 24 09:45:49 <Tas> and you?
Aug 24 09:45:52 <Josemi> Spain
Aug 24 09:46:02 <Josemi> What fonera did you get?
Aug 24 09:46:17 <Tas> the new shiny fonera 2.0n :-D
Aug 24 09:46:29 <Tas> and a fontenna too
Aug 24 09:46:45 <Josemi> I suggest you (if you haven´t yet) to have a look at the wiki http://wiki.fon.com
Aug 24 09:47:06 <Josemi> The fontenna? But you cannot connect it to the 2.0n
Aug 24 09:47:33 <Tas> i have a lot of devices at home :-D
Aug 24 09:47:57 <Josemi> By the way, What firmware do you use?
Aug 24 09:48:29 <Tas> (i purchased it yesterday, i don't have it yes) i think developer firmware
Aug 24 09:48:48 <Josemi> Today a new firmware is going to be released :-)
Aug 24 09:49:14 <Josemi> So you should upgrade it when you get it
Aug 24 09:49:18 <Decodecoding> Hi. Cool to see Gari Jr. today!
Aug 24 09:49:46 <Josemi> Hi decodecoding
Aug 24 09:49:53 <Tas> I'll do it :-D
Aug 24 09:50:18 <Tas> I like this kind of devices, they allow me to do a lot of things :-D
Aug 24 09:50:59 <Josemi> Decodecoding, Are you from spain? Your name sounds known to me.
Aug 24 09:51:14 <Josemi> Maybe you participate on Fon boards?
Aug 24 09:51:20 <Decodecoding> Yes, I used to mess around hare a lot
Aug 24 09:51:59 <Decodecoding> From time to time I try to help in the boards. Lately I didn't have much time but still keep my foneras on
Aug 24 09:52:55 <Decodecoding> And always keep an eye on the timeline to see what's going on in the developer side
Aug 24 09:58:43 <Tas> I read that my fonera will keep sending an heartbeat to fon servers, in order to notice them that my fonera is up and running. Do you know which informations they store?
Aug 24 09:59:11 <Josemi> I think that only MAC address and IP
Aug 24 09:59:15 <Josemi> but I am not sure
Aug 24 09:59:34 <Tas> only? :-p
Aug 24 10:00:09 <Josemi> Have in mind that they need the MAC address and IP to make remote changes to it
Aug 24 10:01:04 <Josemi> you can change bacis config options of the fonera through Fon wenbsite
Aug 24 10:01:10 <Josemi> basic*
Aug 24 10:01:28 <Tas> really? i didn't know
Aug 24 10:01:34 <Josemi> yes
Aug 24 10:01:46 <Josemi> the fonera has a lot of options
Aug 24 10:01:49 <Josemi> tou will love it ;-)
Aug 24 10:01:58 <Tas> i was saying it :-p
Aug 24 10:02:30 <Josemi> Well, I have to go
Aug 24 10:02:32 <Josemi> Bye!
Aug 24 10:02:37 <Tas> Bye :-D
Aug 24 10:02:45 <Tas> i'm signing up to developers ml
Aug 24 10:11:01 <blathijs> Tas: I think they only record that you're online, I'm not even sure if the IP address is stored at all
Aug 24 10:11:29 <blathijs> Tas: In turn, the heartbeat servers send an authentication hash to the Fonera which other apps (chillispot, thinclient) can use to authenticate to the fon servers
Aug 24 10:11:50 <blathijs> Though the actual heartbeat client is closed source, so it's not completely clear to me yet
Aug 24 10:14:07 <Tas> blathijs: ok, let's hope. I'm one of those privacy weirdo :-p Thinkig that my ip in association with my user name (that is associated with my realname), will be stored somewhere disturbs me a ittle
Aug 24 10:14:16 <Tas> *little
Aug 24 10:17:16 <blathijs> Tas: I'll ask around to find out :-)
Aug 24 10:17:37 <Tas> blathijs: thank you :-D
Aug 24 10:21:20 <blathijs> Tas: "in it there is information like: FW version, mac, activationdate, latitude,longitude, street, zipcode,city,region, country, user_Tk (owner)"
Aug 24 10:21:30 <blathijs> Tas: At least that is stored, possibly more
Aug 24 10:23:26 <Tas> uhm ok, that is affordable, those informations are yet coupled with my username, and are necessary to show me on the map
Aug 24 10:28:42 <Tas> is it fonosfera.org the main place for developers?
Aug 24 10:33:08 <blathijs> yup
Aug 24 10:33:14 <Tas> ok :-D
Aug 24 10:33:46 <blathijs> THough I'm hoping to move some of the docs to wiki.fon.com eventually, so all users can edit them (wiki editing on the trac is for Fon employees only atm)
Aug 24 10:37:11 <Tas> how often is the firmware upgraded? I see that the developer mode has an ssh server running.
Aug 24 10:38:29 <Tas> I'm just wondering if is a good idea to leave it open, but i need an ssh server at home :-p
Aug 24 10:38:49 <blathijs> By default it's disabled on the WAN side (you can switch in the firewal config)
Aug 24 10:39:13 <blathijs> also, it also has hammer protection, so after 5 (or so) connections within the minute, an external IP address is blocked
Aug 24 10:39:56 <Tas> and is security updated? (against software vulnerabilities)
Aug 24 10:40:04 <Decodecoding> Blathijs, does the ftp server feature this hammer protection?
Aug 24 10:40:17 <blathijs> Decodecoding: I don't think so
Aug 24 10:41:07 <blathijs> Decodecoding: Though it should be easy to enable that (add the hammer option in /etc/config/services to the ftp service, see ssh for an example)
Aug 24 10:41:24 <Tas> i'm sorry if i keep asking, but as i said i just purchased one and i'm a little impatient to start playing with it :-p
Aug 24 10:41:28 <Decodecoding> I'll check that
Aug 24 10:42:51 <blathijs> Tas: If we find security issues, we'll make sure they're fixed (though I don't think there have been serious issues found in the past, really)
Aug 24 10:43:35 <Tas> is it opensshd?
Aug 24 10:44:40 <blathijs> Tas: Dropbear
Aug 24 10:45:08 <blathijs> derflooh: I think you mentioned you got tcpdump running from the openwrt repostiories a while back?
Aug 24 10:45:14 <blathijs> derflooh: Which repository did you use for that?
Aug 24 10:46:01 <blathijs> derflooh: I've just tried the trunk/ramips repository, and after having to fix the architecture that opkg thought we were on (did you need to do that?) it now fails to run probably because of a wrong libc version or something
Aug 24 10:46:28 <derflooh> this one: src/gz snapshots http://downloads.openwrt.org/kamikaze/8.09.2/rb532/packages
Aug 24 10:46:53 <blathijs> derflooh: Did you need to add "arch" lines to opkg.conf for that?
Aug 24 10:46:57 <derflooh> i do not remeber to do something extra
Aug 24 10:46:58 <derflooh> no
Aug 24 10:47:37 <blathijs> hmm, perhaps that's different in trunk. I'll try this, thanks.
Aug 24 10:49:41 <Decodecoding> Blathijs, How did your tests with 2.0g go? Does it handle right latest firm versions?
Aug 24 10:50:42 <blathijs> derflooh: Ah, the rb532 from kamikaze lists "mipsel" as the arch (while trunk lists "rb532")
Aug 24 12:16:44 <Josemi> I´m back
Aug 24 12:24:38 <blathijs> ey Josemi
Aug 24 12:25:00 <Josemi> How goes?
Aug 24 12:25:24 <Josemi> When will we see the firmware?
Aug 24 12:26:37 <Josemi> Hi Tas
Aug 24 12:27:12 <blathijs> Josemi: I've sent them off for signing just now
Aug 24 12:27:28 <Tas> hi Josemi , hi blathijs :-D
Aug 24 12:27:28 <blathijs> After that, I've got to find someone who can upload them (since Javier doesn't seem to be around...)
Aug 24 12:28:09 <Josemi> Javier isn´t now in the Fon development team?
Aug 24 12:28:13 <Josemi> He has left?
Aug 24 12:28:36 <blathijs> No, he is just not online, so I suspect he has a day off or something :-)
Aug 24 12:29:02 <Josemi> I ask because I only see you on the timeline for months....
Aug 24 12:29:13 <blathijs> Ah, he is on holiday
Aug 24 12:29:18 <Josemi> and didn´t see blogic, iurgi.....
Aug 24 12:29:40 <blathijs> Josemi: I'm the only one actively working on the current firmware right now. Iurgi is too busy being the boss, blogic is working a few other things recently
Aug 24 12:32:47 <Josemi> A new fonera maybe?
Aug 24 12:33:01 <Josemi> Lunch time, I´ll come back later
Aug 24 12:36:19 <Tas> i think that will be a little bit tricky to cross compile fon-ng from an OSX system, isn't it?
Aug 24 12:59:32 <blathijs> Tas: Not sure, we mostly use Linux
Aug 24 12:59:53 <blathijs> Tas: But the cross-compilers itself are all built by the build system itself, so there are not much dependencies
Aug 24 13:00:20 <blathijs> Tas: Considering that OSX has things like gcc, make and bash, it might just work
Aug 24 13:00:43 <blathijs> Tas: And I'd be happy to commit any fixes needed to get it working, if you can supply them :-)
Aug 24 13:01:02 <Tas> blathijs: so i
Aug 24 13:01:07 <Tas> ehm...will try :-p
Aug 24 13:18:14 <Tas> Build dependency: OpenWrt can only be built on a case-sensitive filesystem
Aug 24 13:18:27 <Tas> i think this is a big problem :-p
Aug 24 13:19:14 <blathijs> Hmm
Aug 24 13:19:27 <blathijs> I think a lot of unix software assumes that, though it shouldn't be a problem for most
Aug 24 13:19:50 <blathijs> though for a big collection of software like OpenWRT / Fon Firmware, it's likely to cause some subtle issue here or there...
Aug 24 13:20:01 <blathijs> You could just try though, and see what happens
Aug 24 13:20:25 <blathijs> (Btw, did you see http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/wiki/build ?)
Aug 24 13:21:33 <Tas> yes
Aug 24 13:21:41 <Tas> i'm following it
Aug 24 13:21:49 <Tas> or something like following
Aug 24 13:21:52 <Tas> :-p
Aug 24 13:23:01 <Tas> it is complaining about GNU version of tar and awk, while i have the BSD version
Aug 24 13:23:58 <blathijs> Hmm, complaining in a "Be careful"-way, or in a "I won't go on"-way? :-)
Aug 24 13:24:08 <Tas> the second i think
Aug 24 13:24:18 <blathijs> You might need to get the GNU versions, aren't those gtar an gawk or something? I know there gmake
Aug 24 13:24:30 <Tas> make[2]: *** [tmp/.prereq-build] Error 1
Aug 24 13:24:36 <blathijs> (Though this is mostly experience from FreeBSD, not OSX)
Aug 24 13:24:42 <blathijs> that sounds like the end, yes :-)
Aug 24 13:25:35 <batiatto> hi blathijs
Aug 24 13:25:45 <batiatto> was 2.3.6.1 built?
Aug 24 13:26:40 <blathijs> batiatto: I've got the images, but I'm waiting for someone who can upload them
Aug 24 13:26:56 <batiatto> ok, thanks
Aug 24 13:27:02 <Tas> gawk is in macports, i'm searching for gnu tar
Aug 24 13:27:27 <blathijs> Hmm, this page does insist on a case sensitive filesystem, apparently the linux kernel needs it: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=318
Aug 24 13:28:26 <blathijs> Tas: Though that page is from 2004, so perhaps the Linux kernel changed since then
Aug 24 13:31:36 <Tas> it isn't became simpler :-p
Aug 24 13:32:08 <blathijs> The easiest solution is probably installing a linux virtual machine ;-)
Aug 24 13:32:37 <Tas> yes i have a couple
Aug 24 13:33:26 <Tas> or maybe i can just wait to come back from holidays, at home i have a linux machine :-p
Aug 24 13:34:08 <blathijs> hehe
Aug 24 13:38:53 <Tas> time to change position, see you later
Aug 24 15:20:14 <Josemi> Hi giuseppeg88_ :)
Aug 24 15:20:48 <giuseppeg88_> hi
Aug 24 16:07:19 <Tas> hi
Aug 24 16:07:35 <Josemi> Hello Tas
Aug 24 16:17:22 <Josemi> blathijs: Just a suggestion, Why don´t you upgrade the blog to WP 3.0.1? It is using 2.5.1 now!!
Aug 24 17:02:39 <Tas> gtg, bye :-D
Aug 24 17:03:02 <Josemi> Bye Tas
Aug 24 17:34:48 <blathijs> Josemi: I don't have access to the server, but I guess I could talk to someone who has
Aug 24 17:35:30 <blathijs> Josemi: But that is something for after the holidays, I think
Aug 24 17:35:49 <blathijs> Haven't managed to upload th release yet, since half the company is on holidays :-)
Aug 24 17:52:31 <Josemi> So, for when do you think you will get access?
Aug 24 17:54:27 <blathijs> I've sent the stuff to Iurgi, who will try to upload ASAP (but he can't access from his current internet connection, so he'll have to find some other wifi connection near his home)
Aug 24 17:55:53 <Josemi> :)
Aug 24 17:56:47 <Josemi> Another suggestion, Why don´t you install a plugin in the wordpress installation so we can suscribe to the blog's posts by email?
Aug 24 17:57:14 <Josemi> It can be very useful since it isn´t updated very frecuently
Aug 24 18:20:28 <blathijs> Hmm, I can have a look at that
Aug 24 18:31:47 <Josemi> I have to go,
Aug 24 18:31:52 <Josemi> bye!
Aug 24 19:38:28 <arcsky> evening
Aug 24 19:50:34 <blathijs> ey arcsky
Aug 24 19:56:59 <Wilthril> hi guys
Aug 24 19:57:29 <Wilthril> i'm wondering why fon dev don't want to add a vpn client to the fonera? http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/ticket/261
Aug 24 19:59:01 <Wilthril> with more and more ISP filtering data it would be very useful
Aug 24 20:03:26 <arcsky> blathijs: whats up? just got back from mallorca/spain
Aug 24 20:10:05 <blathijs> Wilthril: It's not a matter of not wanting (It would be a good feature!), but it's not high on the priority list right now
Aug 24 20:10:20 <blathijs> Wilthril: First things are fixing bugs and supporting 2.0g again
Aug 24 20:10:35 <blathijs> arcsky: Had a nice trip? :-)
Aug 24 20:10:51 <Wilthril> 2.0g is not supported?
Aug 24 20:10:53 <blathijs> arcsky: You're just in time for the 2.3.6.1 release, we're really _nearly_ there :-)
Aug 24 20:11:23 <blathijs> Wilthril: Well, the last two firmware release weren't for 2.0g. It is supported by customer support normally
Aug 24 20:12:42 <Wilthril> you mean the fonera 2.0g my mobile phone works fine with my f2n :)
Aug 24 20:14:21 <Wilthril> anyway since the f2n has a bittorrent client inside, the only way to download "safely" would be an openvpn client
Aug 24 20:16:12 <Wilthril> but if you say it's in the feature request list then it'll be done... someday :p
Aug 24 20:20:14 <blathijs> well, even VPN providers will give out details under a warrant, I guess
Aug 24 20:20:31 <blathijs> anway, time to get to the train
Aug 24 20:20:43 <blathijs> I'll be back tomorrow
Aug 24 20:30:04 <arcsky> blathijs: yeah had a really nice week there! Oh nice
Aug 25 00:39:54 <Tas> hi
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