**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 15 02:59:57 2010
Sep 15 06:46:32 <voorstad> He Blathijs, my router Gui gives: 8 (0x00000008)
Sep 15 06:47:13 <voorstad> 2.3.6.1, bridged mode, pluin opkg-fix installed and a failed MPD installtaion......
Sep 15 06:47:37 <voorstad> although I am connected and browsing with the router.
Sep 15 06:48:17 <voorstad> cannot connect with putty......
Sep 15 06:48:41 <voorstad> power and Wan leds are green, Wifi led is orange
Sep 15 06:54:45 <voorstad> Putty says: network error. connection refused.
Sep 15 07:18:30 <blathijs> voorstad: I suspect you filled up the filesystem, or screwed up pthread with the mpd installation...
Sep 15 07:32:23 <voorstad> :-(
Sep 15 07:32:48 <voorstad> so reflashing again.....? :-(
Sep 15 08:08:50 <blathijs> voorstad: I would expect a factory reset to help, but I'm not sure if a factory reset happens when the firmware is completely fubar'd
Sep 15 08:11:06 <voorstad> wifi button to "off", and press reset buttin 30secs?
Sep 15 09:10:55 <Barbon> hi blathijs :)
Sep 15 09:14:50 <blathijs> voorstad: Yeah something like that
Sep 15 09:15:12 <blathijs> voorstad: But if it doesn't work (because there is nothing running to process it), you should use TFTP flash I guess
Sep 15 09:15:42 <Barbon> blathijs a my friend tryed to help me about http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/ticket/516
Sep 15 09:15:59 <Barbon> he say that i have forward all ports from my router to fonera
Sep 15 09:16:08 <Barbon> and enable NAT
Sep 15 09:16:47 <Barbon> fonera must stay in DMZ mode he say
Sep 15 09:17:00 <blathijs> Barbon: That didn't make much sense to me
Sep 15 09:17:16 <blathijs> Barbon: I don't think port forwarding is related to DHCP here
Sep 15 09:17:27 <Barbon> he say that there is must a mode called DMZ
Sep 15 09:17:35 <blathijs> Barbon: Also, enabling NAT on the Fonera means disabling bridge mode
Sep 15 09:17:58 <blathijs> Barbon: Did he also suggest putting all other computers behind the Fonera, then?
Sep 15 09:18:24 <Barbon> blathijs>	Barbon: That didn't make much sense to me
Sep 15 09:18:26 <Barbon> [11:13]	Barbon: I don't think port forwarding is related to DHCP here
Sep 15 09:18:34 <Barbon> ops.
Sep 15 09:18:39 <Barbon> wait i ask to him
Sep 15 09:18:47 <Barbon> (he is in another chat
Sep 15 09:18:56 <blathijs> Invite him here :-)
Sep 15 09:19:29 <Barbon> i try
Sep 15 09:22:43 <Barbon> ok he coming
Sep 15 09:24:20 <bisco> hi there :)
Sep 15 09:24:34 <Barbon> hey bisco :D
Sep 15 09:24:42 <bisco> hey dude :)
Sep 15 09:24:52 <blathijs> ey bisco
Sep 15 09:24:59 <bisco> hi blathijs ^^
Sep 15 09:25:26 <Barbon> he is the my friend that i am speaking about
Sep 15 09:26:31 <bisco> I've read the ticket and talked about the problem with Barbon
Sep 15 09:27:16 <blathijs> bisco: If I understand it correctly, you're suggesting to let the Fonera do all of the NAT and let the modem just forward everything to the Fonera, right?
Sep 15 09:27:24 <bisco> yep
Sep 15 09:27:36 <blathijs> Effecitvely disabling bridgemode (so it's not solving the problem, but working around it really)
Sep 15 09:27:47 <bisco> it's a workaround
Sep 15 09:27:55 <bisco> putting the fon in DMZ
Sep 15 09:28:11 <blathijs> But that still leaves him with double NAT, right?
Sep 15 09:28:23 <bisco> uhm..
Sep 15 09:28:34 <bisco> it's a little bit different than a bridge mode
Sep 15 09:28:45 <blathijs> Or does enabling a DMZ imply disabling NAT on the modem?
Sep 15 09:29:45 <bisco> the router makes a NAT with the Fon
Sep 15 09:29:59 <bisco> but, ALL the requestes are forwarded to the Fon
Sep 15 09:31:33 <blathijs> bisco: Ok, so there is "double NAT" meaning the modem does NAT and the Fonera does NAT again
Sep 15 09:31:46 <blathijs> (which shouldn't be a problem per se, of course)
Sep 15 09:31:55 <bisco> yep
Sep 15 09:32:13 <blathijs> Ok
Sep 15 09:32:49 <blathijs> And the DMZ isn't critical in this setup, I guess, it just serves to simplify forwarding ports (e.g., without the DMZ, you'd have to set up all port forwarding on both the modem and the Fonera every time
Sep 15 09:32:53 <blathijs> )
Sep 15 09:35:06 <bisco> yes, you're right
Sep 15 09:38:00 <blathijs> Ok, then I understand it properly :-)
Sep 15 09:38:17 <blathijs> Sounds like a reasonable solution for Barbon
Sep 15 09:38:45 <Barbon> :)
Sep 15 09:38:46 <bisco> yep
Sep 15 09:38:51 <bisco> ^_^
Sep 15 09:39:56 <bisco> obviously if him ISP's router allows DMZ mode :)
Sep 15 09:41:13 <blathijs> if not, he can still do double port forwards, right?
Sep 15 09:41:33 <blathijs> Or set up a single portforward with a range of 1:65535
Sep 15 09:43:17 <Barbon> so i have to disable  bridge first?
Sep 15 09:43:34 <bisco> yep, I think it's possible
Sep 15 09:43:55 <bisco> Barbon: check if your ISP's router allows DMZ mode
Sep 15 09:44:01 <bisco> then disable bridge mode
Sep 15 09:44:13 <bisco> so, put the Fon's IP in DMZ
Sep 15 09:45:08 <blathijs> Also, you'll want to set the Fonera to use a static WAN IP
Sep 15 09:45:32 <bisco> uhm.. I've a doubt
Sep 15 09:46:13 <bisco> the recent Foneras have a WAN port with RJ11 connector?
Sep 15 09:46:45 <blathijs> RJ45, ethernet, not RJ11, telephony
Sep 15 09:47:04 <bisco> ok, only RJ45
Sep 15 09:47:11 <blathijs> Or actually, it's an 8p connector, RJ45 is technically something different ;-)
Sep 15 09:47:29 <bisco> of course
Sep 15 09:48:08 <bisco> and in a near future you think that will be released a Fon with an RJ11 port?
Sep 15 09:48:26 <blathijs> bisco: You mean a Fonera with builtin ADSL modem?
Sep 15 09:48:30 <bisco> yep
Sep 15 09:48:50 <blathijs> I don't know about Fon's plans regarding future hardware, but I don't think this is likely
Sep 15 09:48:59 <bisco> ok, understood
Sep 15 09:50:10 <blathijs> It's a lot of extra hardware, with little gain (everyone already gets an ADSL modem from their provider, right?)
Sep 15 09:50:26 <bisco> not ever
Sep 15 09:50:53 <bisco> in Italy where Barbon and me live, you can choose if you want the modem
Sep 15 09:52:02 <bisco> and I think that a complete router like the Fon is, will be perfect if had an ADSL modem
Sep 15 09:53:34 <Barbon> yea
Sep 15 09:55:13 <blathijs> Yeah, that would be good I guess
Sep 15 09:55:46 <bisco> :)
Sep 15 09:55:58 <blathijs> But still I don't think it will happen
Sep 15 09:57:36 <Barbon> i test when i return at home :)
Sep 15 09:58:47 <blathijs> bisco: Do you have a Fonera as well? :-)
Sep 15 10:00:03 <blogic> bisco: the problem with built in dslmodem is taht there are several hardware specs for dsl
Sep 15 10:00:12 <blogic> different countries use different dettigns
Sep 15 10:00:17 <blogic> *settings
Sep 15 10:00:37 <Barbon> blogic like anex A and B.. etc?
Sep 15 10:00:40 <blogic> this has the inherent problem that the frontend needs a different configuration
Sep 15 10:00:51 <blogic> there are AFE and DFE for analog and digital
Sep 15 10:01:03 <blogic> in addition the actual prototcl spoken can differentiate
Sep 15 10:01:33 <blogic> also, once that problem is resolved, different isps expect a vci/vpi pair, this is similar to a vlan setting that needs to be spoken on the dsl
Sep 15 10:01:58 <blogic> this results in a multitude of different configs that very quickly become difficult to manage
Sep 15 10:02:29 <Barbon> so more cost for fonera
Sep 15 10:02:31 <Barbon> and more model
Sep 15 10:05:48 <bisco> blathijs: not now
Sep 15 10:06:42 <bisco> blogic: ok, understood
Sep 15 10:09:10 <blogic> bisco: i really would like to see it too though :)
Sep 15 10:09:29 <bisco> :)
Sep 15 10:09:47 <Barbon> bisco is an fantastic geek about these thing :P
Sep 15 10:10:10 <blogic> for now it is pppoe + modem i am afraid as the modem youget from your isp is already set to the correct vci/vpi pair
Sep 15 11:04:50 <bisco> cya dude, I've to go.
Sep 15 11:04:51 <bisco> bye bye
Sep 15 12:21:01 <voorstad> mmmmm, re-flashed, upgraded, configured router. Rebooted in bridged mode and......8 (0x00000008) again
Sep 15 12:21:45 <voorstad> checking from other side......
Sep 15 12:23:19 <voorstad> mmmm, the same when I am connected on other AP where 2.0N is bridged to.
Sep 15 12:25:49 <blogic> what does 0x00000008 mean ?
Sep 15 12:38:17 <voorstad> It's what I get when trying to open the webinterface
Sep 15 12:46:17 <blathijs> voorstad: You get a white page showing just that, or?
Sep 15 12:47:48 <voorstad> yes
Sep 15 12:49:45 <voorstad> re-flashed, upgraded to 2.3.6.1, configured router, installed Music Plugin, rebooted in bridged mode and......8 (0x00000008), rebooted, again
Sep 15 12:50:06 <voorstad> power led is blinking, Wan=green, wifi=orange
Sep 15 12:50:20 <Barbon> you have tryed to re-create the memory
Sep 15 12:51:28 <Barbon> follow this
Sep 15 12:51:29 <Barbon> http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/Firmware_Update_Instructions
Sep 15 12:51:43 <Barbon> the %bMy partition table is different!
Sep 15 12:51:48 <Barbon> section
Sep 15 12:52:58 <Barbon> Voorstad you have already tried this?
Sep 15 12:56:41 <Barbon> [14:46]	<Barbon> voorstad	you have tryed to re-create the memory
Sep 15 12:56:42 <Barbon> [14:47]	follow this
Sep 15 12:56:44 <Barbon> 	http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/Firmware_Update_Instructions
Sep 15 12:56:45 <Barbon> 	the My partition table is different! section
Sep 15 12:56:57 <voorstad> 2.0g only....
Sep 15 12:57:08 <voorstad> This is 2.0N
Sep 15 12:57:13 <Barbon> is the same i think
Sep 15 12:57:22 <Barbon> just put the right firmware
Sep 15 12:58:00 <Barbon> blogic i am saying right?
Sep 15 13:04:39 <blathijs> voorstad: I'd be surprised if the partition table is actually different, though
Sep 15 13:05:20 <voorstad> That is Barbon's suggestion....
Sep 15 13:05:43 <blathijs> And I'm wondering if the firmware booted and is broken, or wether the firmware didn't boot at all and this is uboot speaking or something
Sep 15 13:06:08 <blathijs> voorstad: Are you sure you didn't make an error in the network configuration? Reused an existing IP address or something?
Sep 15 13:06:43 <voorstad> Cannot check anymore....
Sep 15 13:07:23 <voorstad> I set  the ip to 192.168.10.2, and gateway to 192.168.10.1
Sep 15 13:08:20 <voorstad> I can connect to the Myplace and browse the internet though
Sep 15 13:09:07 <blathijs> Ah, so the firmware has booted
Sep 15 13:09:13 <blathijs> but SSH doesn't work either?
Sep 15 13:09:35 <voorstad> nope
Sep 15 13:09:44 <voorstad> connection refrused....
Sep 15 13:09:54 <blathijs> Could you do an nmap, see what ports are open?
Sep 15 13:10:18 <blathijs> I think it's really weird that this happens again after a complete reflash, though
Sep 15 13:10:45 <blathijs> Before toying with mpd, I assume you were already running in this configuration without problems?
Sep 15 13:12:41 <voorstad> yes
Sep 15 13:12:50 <voorstad> * downloading nmap *
Sep 15 13:26:06 <voorstad> I cannot configure it. I resetted it.
Sep 15 13:26:23 <voorstad> Now I don't get an IP address anymore
Sep 15 13:26:44 <voorstad> I gues I will need to tftp again Sigh :-(
Sep 15 13:32:40 <blathijs> Hmm, getting an IP address involves your modem / other router right, the Fonera being in bridge mode?
Sep 15 13:32:49 <blathijs> but perhaps it's not bridging correctly anymore, then
Sep 15 13:33:20 <Tas> hi
Sep 15 13:34:58 <blathijs> ey Tas
Sep 15 13:35:06 <Tas> hi blathijs
Sep 15 13:36:14 <Tas> blathijs: I'm still trying vim :-p
Sep 15 13:36:30 <Tas> what combination do you use to change mode?
Sep 15 13:36:41 <blathijs> you mean to enter insert mode?
Sep 15 13:36:56 <Tas> C-c? C-{
Sep 15 13:37:03 <Tas> the other one
Sep 15 13:37:18 <Tas> esc is unconfortable in my opion
Sep 15 13:37:33 <Tas> as put my hand on arrow keys
Sep 15 13:37:38 <blathijs> Ah, I use ESC
Sep 15 13:38:05 <blathijs> using my left hand
Sep 15 13:38:11 <blathijs> but I agree that it's a bit far off
Sep 15 13:38:24 <Tas> C-c seems comfy
Sep 15 13:38:25 <blathijs> (I've been told that in the old days, the ESC key was in place of the ~ key)
Sep 15 13:38:37 <blathijs> Hmm, never knew you could use C-c :-)
Sep 15 13:38:49 <Tas> I'm a bit fanatic of fast editing :-p
Sep 15 13:38:57 <Tas> so I searched a lot :-p
Sep 15 13:39:11 * blathijs as well, but this never bothered me enough I gues
Sep 15 13:39:36 <Tas> ;-p
Sep 15 13:39:52 <Tas> now I have to find something to wrote :-p
Sep 15 13:40:30 <blathijs> wrote?
Sep 15 13:41:07 <Tas> write
Sep 15 13:41:32 <Tas> I slept something like a couple of hours
Sep 15 13:42:13 <blathijs> heh
Sep 15 13:42:15 <Tas> but I can't go sleep now, or I'll mess up :-p
Sep 15 13:47:02 <Tas> argh, it is driving me crazy
Sep 15 13:47:05 <voorstad> tftp -i 192.168.1.6 PUT 20091008_FON2303_2.3.0.0_Restore.bin Transfer successful: 5308438 bytes in 3 seconds, 1769479 bytes/s
Sep 15 13:47:07 <Tas> I should stop
Sep 15 13:53:40 <blogic> Tas: ?
Sep 15 13:53:45 <blogic> what are you doing ?
Sep 15 14:00:17 <blathijs> Hmm, does the 2.0g normally have just 400K of /jffs2 ?
Sep 15 14:00:28 <blathijs> Or did I somehow build a very big firmware image?
Sep 15 14:01:37 <blathijs> Hmm, it is 5.8M (vs 5.0M for 2.3.0.1~rc1)
Sep 15 14:03:49 <blathijs> Bah, that might just be openvpn (189K), libopenssl (477K) and openss-util (135K)
Sep 15 14:11:56 <Tas> blogic: I'm writing another mandelbrot program...but I should stopo using vim :-p
Sep 15 14:13:04 <Tas> ...I stopped using vim 30 minutes ago, and I cleaned my .emacs. Now it fires up in a decent time :-p
Sep 15 14:18:59 <blathijs> hehe
Sep 15 14:34:45 <lgolebio> Hi ! :) I'm trying to compile "ramdisk" of fonera-ng  firmware from svn, but with no succes, why there is no image file after compilation in /trunk/bin ?
Sep 15 14:35:40 <blathijs> ey lgolebio
Sep 15 14:35:51 <blathijs> lgolebio: I don't think the ramdisk version is supported anymore
Sep 15 14:36:06 <blathijs> Perhaps we should remove that selector alltogether :-)
Sep 15 14:36:18 <blathijs> lgolebio: Any particular reason you want ramdisk instead of jffs2?
Sep 15 14:36:42 <lgolebio> do you remember whe we talk about edimax 3G-6200n?
Sep 15 14:37:14 <blathijs> Uh, was that the rt305-somethingelse?
Sep 15 14:37:19 <lgolebio> I just need to check if fonera-ng runs on it, ofcourse I have to make several changes to the code
Sep 15 14:37:20 <lgolebio> yes
Sep 15 14:38:01 <lgolebio> but the CPU is the same, and it should not be  difficult to apply patches to make it work on edimax
Sep 15 14:38:33 <lgolebio> it has 4MB flash memory, 32MB ram, CPU is ralink 3050 and it has USB 2.0 port
Sep 15 14:38:48 <lgolebio> but I need ramdisk of fonera-ng
Sep 15 14:38:57 <blathijs> because of the small flash?
Sep 15 14:39:16 <blathijs> Or because the loader won't load squashfs, probably :-)
Sep 15 14:39:26 <lgolebio> well yes and no,  first of all....
Sep 15 14:39:52 <lgolebio> it can't be flashed to 4MB flash memory becouse of the bad header and checksum
Sep 15 14:40:07 <lgolebio> u-boot checks the header and reports bad variables
Sep 15 14:40:35 <lgolebio> so the firmware file has to be modified somehow
Sep 15 14:40:51 <lgolebio> to put exact header and checskum
Sep 15 14:41:16 <blathijs> Hmm, the fonera2n also runs uboot, I think
Sep 15 14:41:48 <lgolebio> also, I know how to modify 301-mtd.patch to fit it to 4MB flash and I also removed everything which is not needed
Sep 15 14:42:12 <lgolebio> and I compiled firmware, 3.5MB :)
Sep 15 14:42:19 <blathijs> But what does "ramdisk" mean exactly here? That there is no flash involved? Or that the stuff is loaded from flash into ram and formatted using a ramdisk filesystem or something?
Sep 15 14:42:21 <lgolebio> so it is no problem to get it smaller
Sep 15 14:42:46 <lgolebio> yes
Sep 15 14:42:55 <lgolebio> only ram
Sep 15 14:43:36 <lgolebio> I know that it is possible toload firmware only to flash, excluding flash memory
Sep 15 14:44:10 <lgolebio> but when I select ramdisk in make menuconfig, compilation goes ok but no ramdisk file is created
Sep 15 14:44:12 <blathijs> But won't you still have the same issues with checksums with ramdisk?
Sep 15 14:44:45 <blathijs> Yeah, the image creation assumes squashfs in some places, not sure how hard it is to get a ramdisk again
Sep 15 14:44:46 <lgolebio> nope, i checked, it only needs proper cheskum when you flash to 4MB memory
Sep 15 14:45:04 <lgolebio> and header ofcourse
Sep 15 14:45:13 <lgolebio> so first thing first
Sep 15 14:45:52 <lgolebio> need to work this out how to make it comppile :), can you help me ?
Sep 15 14:46:47 <lgolebio> I'll be very gratefull for this :)
Sep 15 14:46:48 <blathijs> Probably :-)
Sep 15 14:47:03 <blathijs> But I don't quite understand how a ramdisk image is different
Sep 15 14:47:12 <blathijs> How would the boot process work with that?
Sep 15 14:47:34 <lgolebio> well, I think....that it creates virtual partitions in RAM
Sep 15 14:48:17 <lgolebio> and it doesn't use flash at all, I guess.. :)
Sep 15 14:48:58 <lgolebio> I'm not a linux geek so this is just my opinion, maybe things are much more different than I think
Sep 15 14:53:12 <blathijs> Ah, googling helps a bit
Sep 15 14:54:01 <blathijs> the deal with a ramdisk image seems to be that you use TFTP to pass the image to uboot, which loads it into memory and boots it
Sep 15 14:54:15 <blathijs> so if you power off the device, the ramdisk image is lost again
Sep 15 14:54:16 <blathijs> right?
Sep 15 14:54:24 <lgolebio> right
Sep 15 14:54:45 <lgolebio> no changes and no harm to the device at all
Sep 15 14:54:54 <blathijs> Sounds useful
Sep 15 14:55:15 <blathijs> I wonder if the recovery image for 2.0n is really ramdisk image as well, perhaps
Sep 15 14:55:16 <lgolebio> yup, very usefull when you want to check the firmware only
Sep 15 14:55:36 <blathijs> blogic: Any comments on the above?
Sep 15 14:56:13 <blathijs> blogic: Does the fon-ng firmware support building a "ramdisk" image in some magical way, and does the 2.0n uboot version / configuration support loading that?
Sep 15 14:58:03 <lgolebio> the standard firmware can be load to ram, but it will hang when mtd partitions will not be found, so the firmware loads, but it needs to be changed to load itself to ram
Sep 15 14:58:06 <lgolebio> not to flash
Sep 15 14:58:45 <lgolebio> sorry for my english ;)
Sep 15 14:59:00 <lgolebio> I hope I sound understandable :)
Sep 15 15:00:59 <blathijs> Ah, right
Sep 15 15:01:32 <blathijs> So a standard squashfs firmware is ok, but tries to mount the /jffs2 firmware etc, which it can't do
Sep 15 15:01:42 <lgolebio> that's correct
Sep 15 15:01:53 <blathijs> so changing it to a realy ramdisk firmware removes the need for a /jffs2 overlay
Sep 15 15:02:22 <lgolebio> probably, I don't know that, couse I'm not a linux geek ;)
Sep 15 15:12:27 <lgolebio> so If you found out something, let me know, ok ? :) here is my e-mail addres LGOLEBIO@gmail.com
Sep 15 15:12:46 <blathijs> I probably won't have time to look closely at this real soon, thoutgh
Sep 15 15:13:12 <lgolebio> I'm leaving now, that's ok, but if you find time, you can help me
Sep 15 15:13:19 <blathijs> If you want to look yourself, you might find useful stuff in target/linux/generic-2.6 (or in similar places in the OpenWRT svn)
Sep 15 15:13:37 <blathijs> lgolebio: Don't hesitate to ask again here, I'm likely to forget :-)
Sep 15 15:13:44 <lgolebio> ok:)
Sep 15 15:13:55 <lgolebio> see ya !
Sep 15 15:14:37 <Voorstad> Hi Blathijs, re-flashed router and upgarded to 2.3.6.1
Sep 15 15:15:16 <blathijs> Voorstad: Did that fix it?
Sep 15 15:15:25 <blathijs> Or rather, didn't it break again yet? :-)
Sep 15 15:16:52 <Voorstad> exactly
Sep 15 15:17:02 <Voorstad> I now want to set it to bridged mode....
Sep 15 15:17:53 <Voorstad> like I did earlier. I want to bridge it to my 2.0g, so I want to set the IP to 192.168.10.2 and the gateway to 192.168.10.1
Sep 15 15:18:43 <Voorstad> Any check I need to do? Any precaution I can take?
Sep 15 15:19:13 <blathijs> Perhaps do an extra reboot before changing the settings
Sep 15 15:19:30 <Voorstad> ok, done
Sep 15 15:19:47 <blathijs> Just to confirm that it doesn't break on the second reboot or something
Sep 15 15:20:28 <Voorstad> Strange thing is that power led keeps blinking (green)
Sep 15 15:20:47 <Voorstad> I guess because it is not connected to WAN / Internet?
Sep 15 15:21:04 <Voorstad> Wan= orange, Wifi= orange
Sep 15 15:21:33 <Voorstad> Perhaps I should hook it up first to my ADS router before bridging?
Sep 15 15:21:45 <Voorstad> Or doesn't that make any sense?
Sep 15 15:25:21 <blathijs> ADS?
Sep 15 15:26:11 <Barbon> he mean ASD router
Sep 15 15:26:27 <blathijs> I think he means ADSL :-)
Sep 15 15:27:20 <Barbon> ahah :P
Sep 15 15:27:40 <Barbon> like a ROFL router
Sep 15 15:27:45 <Barbon> or a LOL router
Sep 15 15:28:08 <Voorstad> yes, I have ADSLmodemRouter (192.168.1.x) ----> Fon2.0g ---> Fon 2.0N
Sep 15 15:33:32 <Tas> on maps.fon.com how can I tell apart wich routers are sharing the connection?
Sep 15 15:33:43 <blathijs> Voorstad: I don't think that removing the 2.0g would help anything
Sep 15 15:34:15 <blathijs> Tas: Doesn't it only show the sharing routers perhaps?
Sep 15 15:35:38 <Tas> I'm on the map
Sep 15 15:35:42 <Tas> and I'm not sharing
Sep 15 15:35:43 <Tas> :-p
Sep 15 15:36:22 <Barbon> http://www.thevine.com.au/resources/IMGRELATED/baseketball_280610065553.gif
Sep 15 15:36:40 <blathijs> hm
Sep 15 15:40:51 <Tas> I just checked. On the settings pane I'm not sharing, but on the map my router is up and running
Sep 15 15:44:35 <voorstad> ok, bridged to 2.0g
Sep 15 15:44:44 <voorstad> logread -f is running
Sep 15 15:44:51 <voorstad> starting GUI......
Sep 15 15:45:18 <voorstad> All seems to be running fine sofar
Sep 15 15:48:14 <voorstad> putty connection error
Sep 15 15:48:48 <voorstad> And when opening Gui now: 8 (0x00000008)
Sep 15 15:49:05 <voorstad> Aaaaarrgggghgh*(&^&*(()**&()^&*(*&^&*_+
Sep 15 15:49:50 <blathijs> wth...
Sep 15 15:49:57 <blathijs> So it works for a while, and then breaks?
Sep 15 15:50:01 <voorstad> So it works for the first minute and the GUI and SSH fail
Sep 15 15:50:12 <blathijs> voorstad: Did that logread -f show anything?
Sep 15 15:50:16 <voorstad> logread -f showed blank
Sep 15 15:50:20 <voorstad> nothing
Sep 15 15:50:20 <blogic> voorstad: do you have a serial cable ?
Sep 15 15:51:14 <voorstad> Not to my knowledge
Sep 15 15:51:37 <voorstad> How does it look like for the Fon? USB - RS232 ?
Sep 15 15:52:12 <voorstad> I have a converter for serial to usb, but I guess that is the other way arounf
Sep 15 15:52:17 <voorstad> around
Sep 15 15:52:45 <voorstad> This time, I did not install any plugin
Sep 15 15:52:55 <voorstad> just 2.3.6.1 and bridged it
Sep 15 15:53:30 <blathijs> blogic: This is the 2.0n, that one needs soldering to attach a serial cable, right?
Sep 15 15:53:31 <voorstad> Funny thing is that I am still connected with wifi to the fonera and am still online
Sep 15 15:53:38 <blogic> ah ok
Sep 15 15:53:56 <voorstad> This irc connection is via the bridged 2.0N
Sep 15 15:54:21 <voorstad> at 117.0Mbps :-)
Sep 15 15:55:09 <blathijs> blogic: What's special about the recovery firmware for 2.0n?
Sep 15 15:55:20 <blathijs> blogic: e.g., what's different from a regular firmware?
Sep 15 15:57:54 <voorstad> I recovered it with 20091008_FON2303_2.3.0.0_Restore.bin
Sep 15 15:58:12 <Tas> is there any way to check if the fon spot is active from ssh?
Sep 15 15:58:53 <voorstad> http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/Firmware_Restore
Sep 15 15:59:28 <blathijs> Tas: iwconfig, probably
Sep 15 15:59:40 <blathijs> Though I'm not 100% sure what that shows on 2.0n
Sep 15 16:01:49 <voorstad> @ blogic: I cannot find anything on the wiki regarding a serial cable
Sep 15 16:01:56 <Tas> ra0       RTWIFI SoftAP  ESSID:"Lair"  Nickname:"" Mode:Managed  Channel=6  Access Point: 00:18:84:89:7D:D4    Bit Rate=300 Mb/s
Sep 15 16:03:08 <blathijs> voorstad: I think there was a recent thread on the mailing list
Sep 15 16:03:45 <Tas> ifconfig doesn't show any ip address for ra0
Sep 15 16:04:20 <blathijs> It's probably bridged in br-lan
Sep 15 16:04:55 <Tas> eh, tonight I will check if there is any FREE_WIFI essid on the air, or something like that
Sep 15 16:11:18 <blogic> Tas: if the chillispot process is runing the spot is up
Sep 15 16:11:25 <blogic> ps aux | grep chilli
Sep 15 16:15:57 <voorstad> @ blathijs: mmmm, that looks like soldering. Not sure if I want that.
Sep 15 16:17:12 <blathijs> voorstad: I'll see if I can recreate your setup here tomorrow
Sep 15 16:17:46 <voorstad> Pretty straight forward....
Sep 15 16:18:44 <voorstad> I first thought it was the MPD, then I thought it was the Music Plugin,... now it;s just bridging on the same subnet as the original...
Sep 15 16:19:02 <voorstad> Could it be anything between 2.0g and 2.0n?
Sep 15 16:21:52 <blathijs> dunno
Sep 15 16:22:13 <blathijs> Perhaps it's the recovery firmware that somehow leaves a mark
Sep 15 16:22:35 <blathijs> voorstad: Before all of this mpd stuff, did you have the 2.0g and 2.0n in this configuration already, or was it different before?
Sep 15 16:30:49 <voorstad> It was working like htis before
Sep 15 16:31:07 <voorstad> But i am not 100% sure if I checked the GUI
Sep 15 16:31:27 <voorstad> Wifi & bridge works a a charm
Sep 15 16:32:00 <voorstad> But I only did this bridging last week It's in the livelogs, so I can check
Sep 15 16:58:24 <Tas> blathijs: root@Fonera:~# ps aux |grep chilli 3893 root      1988 S    grep chilli
Sep 15 16:59:01 <Tas> I have a good and a bad news :-p
Sep 15 17:00:24 <Tas> The fonspot status is reliable...The spot's map isn't :-p
Sep 15 17:04:43 <blathijs> Tas: Dou you have a link for the map at hand?
Sep 15 17:05:03 <Tas> yep
Sep 15 17:05:44 <Tas> ehm
Sep 15 17:05:53 <Tas> only to the general page
Sep 15 17:05:56 <Tas> :-p
Sep 15 17:06:18 <blathijs> Tas: Just to keep me from having to think about where to go to :-)
Sep 15 17:07:14 <Tas> I'm not able to get a link
Sep 15 17:07:22 <blathijs> voorstad: If you reboot the Fonera, does the GUI / SSH work again for a minute, or do they stay broken?
Sep 15 17:07:49 <blathijs> voorstad: Or does it break entirely, then?
Sep 15 17:08:58 <blathijs> Tas: Ah, I found the map :-)
Sep 15 17:09:39 <Tas> ah maps.fon.com
Sep 15 17:09:49 <Tas> I did not get the question :-p
Sep 15 17:11:07 <Tas> from the legend I think that every router on the map is a fon spot, the grey buffer means turned off, while an orange buffer means turned on...So if I go somewhere I can find avaiable spots...
Sep 15 17:12:24 <blathijs> Tas: If you turn off your fon spot entirely, (or perhaps kill fonsmcd if you don't want it powered off), does it turn grey after a while?
Sep 15 17:14:24 <blathijs> It should only kill the connection with fon.com, but perhaps you shouldn't try if you're away from home
Sep 15 17:15:49 <Tas> should sigint be enought?
Sep 15 17:16:45 <blathijs> yeah, I guess
Sep 15 17:16:52 <Tas> there is no fonsmcd running
Sep 15 17:17:17 <blathijs> you mean before you tried to kill it?
Sep 15 17:17:32 <Tas> lol
Sep 15 17:17:37 <Tas> I didn't kill it
Sep 15 17:18:08 <blathijs> you didn't misspel the name? :-)
Sep 15 17:18:27 <Tas> root@Fonera:~# ps aux|grep fonsmcd  4132 root      1988 S    grep fonsmcd
Sep 15 17:18:45 <Tas> is it correct?
Sep 15 17:19:01 <blathijs> Ah, fonsmcd is not needed when you disable sharing
Sep 15 17:19:34 <blathijs> http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/browser/trunk/fon/fonsmcd/files/etc/fonstated/StartFonsmcd
Sep 15 17:19:54 <blathijs> So I guess your Fonera should even show up as offline...
Sep 15 17:22:22 <Tas> uhm so I have to replace /etc/fonstated/StartFonsmcd with the svn version?
Sep 15 17:29:37 <blathijs> no, I just wanted to illustrate that it's normal for fonsmcd to not be running
Sep 15 17:29:46 <Tas> ah ok
Sep 15 17:33:37 <blathijs> Tas: The userzone on fon.com also said your Fonera was "online and sharing", right?
Sep 15 17:34:50 <Tas> uhm lemme check
Sep 15 17:35:17 <blathijs> Tas: Btw, thanks for looking into this issue in the first place :-)
Sep 15 17:36:15 <Tas> "Your fon spot is offline"
Sep 15 17:37:16 <blathijs> THat was wrong before as well, right?
Sep 15 17:37:56 <blathijs> Anyway, got to go now
Sep 15 17:38:01 <blathijs> Let's talk more tomorrw
Sep 15 17:38:05 <voorstad> @ blathijs: i'll check what happens after a reboot
Sep 15 17:38:08 <Tas> No, I didn't check before
Sep 15 17:38:20 <Tas> I looked only on the map
Sep 15 17:38:29 <Tas> Ok, good evening, see you tomorrow
Sep 15 17:38:34 <blathijs> Hmm, perhaps that was someone else, then :-)
Sep 15 17:38:42 <blathijs> voorstad: ok
Sep 15 17:38:45 <blathijs> cya!
Sep 15 17:42:26 <voorstad_> @ blathijs: if I reboot and login SSH very quick, I get a prompt
Sep 15 17:42:46 <voorstad_> but 10 - 15 secs the most
Sep 15 17:43:01 <voorstad_> then connection gets broken
Sep 15 20:38:29 <blathijs> voorstad_: weird...
Sep 15 20:46:50 <voorstad_> yup, but tomorrow you will test my scenario?
Sep 15 20:48:40 <blathijs> Yeah, I'll give it a go
Sep 15 20:50:32 <blathijs> But now it's time for bed :-)
Sep 15 20:50:54 <blathijs> voorstad_: Something to try: If you get a prompt, run "killall fonstated"
Sep 15 20:51:06 <blathijs> in case any fonstate script is killing it, that should prevent it
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