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Jan 11 10:35:27 <blogic> morning
Jan 11 10:35:33 * blogic slept in today
Jan 11 10:35:47 <blogic> i set an alarm for 8am and finally woke at 11am
Jan 11 10:35:48 <blogic> :)
Jan 11 10:35:59 <blogic> the benifit of being a hacker i guess :D
Jan 11 11:18:30 <giuseppeg88> hi!
Jan 11 11:31:37 <blogic> hi
Jan 11 11:34:22 <giuseppeg88> Are you working on firmware fonera Simpl?
Jan 11 11:38:01 <blogic> yes
Jan 11 11:38:09 <blogic> that is what i do these days
Jan 11 11:38:09 <giuseppeg88> if yes, how is proceeding the new firmware development?
Jan 11 11:38:11 <giuseppeg88> Can you anticipate us some features that will be included in the next release?
Jan 11 11:38:17 <blogic> hmmm
Jan 11 11:38:26 <giuseppeg88> lol
Jan 11 11:38:27 <blogic> there is repeater mode in testing for example
Jan 11 11:38:32 <blogic> and a lot of bug fixes
Jan 11 11:38:34 <blogic> lots and lots
Jan 11 11:38:36 <giuseppeg88> good
Jan 11 11:39:09 <giuseppeg88> the wireless connection will be more stable?
Jan 11 11:39:15 <blogic> is it not stable ?
Jan 11 11:39:22 <blogic> for me it is extremly stable
Jan 11 11:39:34 <blogic> what kind of behaviour do you experience ?
Jan 11 11:40:23 <giuseppeg88> sometimes the pc loses connection
Jan 11 11:41:15 <giuseppeg88> few times, but I do not have this problem with the fonera 2.0g\n
Jan 11 11:42:05 <blogic> ok
Jan 11 11:42:09 <blogic> well it is the same driver
Jan 11 11:42:16 <blogic> btu we will updte it again soonish
Jan 11 11:42:36 <blogic> so, what else ... there are a lot of platform related enhancements that you wont really notice
Jan 11 11:42:49 <blogic> we have been optimizing a lot of the stuff that happens in the background
Jan 11 11:42:57 <blogic> ah, we also fixed qos
Jan 11 11:43:19 <blogic> it seems that under certian configurations the upstream qos fails to do what it is supposed to
Jan 11 11:43:20 <giuseppeg88> if I'll understand from what it depends it I'll tell you
Jan 11 11:43:27 <blogic> cool !
Jan 11 11:43:33 <blogic> what else did we fix ...
Jan 11 11:43:55 <blogic> well currently i am fixing pppoe. seems the pppoe driver is not compliant in 1 aspect so we are fixing this today
Jan 11 11:45:55 <giuseppeg88> besides this problem (pppoe) there are other serious problems still to be corrected?
Jan 11 11:46:53 <blogic> hmmmm
Jan 11 11:47:07 <blogic> noe that i can think of now
Jan 11 11:47:45 <blogic> but it is really a question of taste i guess, some bugs migth seem critical to one person whilste the other thinks it is a trivial bug on a small bug
Jan 11 11:47:46 <giuseppeg88> perfect... it's a good thing
Jan 11 11:47:52 <blogic> ah
Jan 11 11:48:02 <blogic> and the gpl tarball will be ready really soon
Jan 11 11:48:07 <blogic> steven is working on it this week
Jan 11 11:48:18 <blogic> we really wanted it out before xmas but it was too much work
Jan 11 11:48:42 <blogic> i did however already talk to gpl-violations and told them we are in violation for 1-2 months due to me going on holidays
Jan 11 11:49:08 <blogic> i did not file a ticket against fon, i am sure other will do this for us lol
Jan 11 11:49:53 <blogic> i just told armijn how i consider a good friend .... he was understanding but did stress the importance of license compliance and wants the gpl asap so he can verify it
Jan 11 11:50:48 <giuseppeg88> so there is the possibility that the firmware is released by the end of January
Jan 11 11:51:05 <blogic> i am not the release manager i am afraid
Jan 11 11:51:14 <blogic> i get lists of bugs/tickets and then make firmwares
Jan 11 11:51:18 <blogic> these i pass to qa
Jan 11 11:51:36 <blogic> and depending on what they find and/or how much work they have it takes between 1 day and 4 weeks to get a result
Jan 11 11:51:51 <blogic> so in theory yes, but in practice it might take longer
Jan 11 11:51:54 <blogic> i am not sure
Jan 11 11:52:05 <blogic> what we however are also consodering it so bring out beta firmwares
Jan 11 11:52:13 <blogic> as in, we are working on ipv6 support
Jan 11 11:52:39 <blogic> however as ipv6 ius new we are considering to push in the future the firmware and a seocnd image with the current firmware + 1 or 2 beta features
Jan 11 11:52:55 <blogic> similar to the concept AVM has with its lab firmwares
Jan 11 11:53:42 <giuseppeg88> understand... the important that something is moving
Jan 11 11:54:24 <giuseppeg88> and from what I understand you are moving on many aspects
Jan 11 11:54:29 <giuseppeg88> :-)
Jan 11 11:54:55 <giuseppeg88> I look forward a firmware with the bridge mode and the repeater mode (wifi-wan)
Jan 11 11:56:28 <giuseppeg88> I must go... see you soon and thanks for the chatting!
Jan 11 11:56:47 <giuseppeg88> blathijs: do you remember our discussion we have done about cron (and on changeset #1796)?
Jan 11 11:56:59 <giuseppeg88> blathijs: I have to open a new ticket to reinsert cron in the firmware?
Jan 11 11:57:07 <giuseppeg88> see you later
Jan 11 12:17:48 <blathijs> giuseppeg88: Yeah, please create a ticket for that, lest I forget :-)
Jan 11 13:02:24 <giuseppeg88> blathijs: done!
Jan 11 14:57:09 <Lupin-III> hello
Jan 11 14:57:55 <Lupin-III> blathijs
Jan 11 14:57:59 <Lupin-III> where find this
Jan 11 14:58:02 <Lupin-III> /lib/modules/2.6.21/build
Jan 11 14:58:34 <blogic> ?
Jan 11 14:58:40 <blogic> Lupin-III: what do you need thta for ?
Jan 11 14:58:54 <Lupin-III> compile wireless module for my fon
Jan 11 14:59:11 <Lupin-III> usb wireless
Jan 11 14:59:52 <blogic> hmm
Jan 11 14:59:58 <blogic> you should checkout svn
Jan 11 15:00:01 <blogic> and make a full build
Jan 11 15:00:10 <blogic> then integrate the wifi driver into the buildsystem
Jan 11 15:00:46 <Lupin-III> i have 2 virtual machines can't build i try more times but my noob linux skills
Jan 11 15:01:05 <blogic> ok
Jan 11 15:01:06 <blogic> i see
Jan 11 15:01:08 <blogic> hmmm
Jan 11 15:01:28 <Lupin-III> i put a files for boot my fon and / is usb stik
Jan 11 15:01:36 <Lupin-III> now me have free space for make
Jan 11 15:07:41 <Lupin-III> fonera 2.0n have tftp recovery ok? but if me put any image from "interent" tftp write all boot loader? or me have alwais tftp option?
Jan 11 15:14:39 <blogic> always has tftp option
Jan 11 15:27:27 <Lupin-III> ok never never write boot loader ( whitch tftp
Jan 11 15:28:47 <Lupin-III> i try compile a ./scripts/driver-select ath9k_htc but now have a lite problem.. kernel is old and can't compile driver
Jan 11 15:29:07 <Lupin-III> /tmp/compat-wireless-2011-01-07/config.mk:29: *** "ERROR: compat-wireless by default supports kernels >= 2.6.24, try enabling only one driver though".  Stop.
Jan 11 15:30:59 <Lupin-III> and me can't find a gcc command in kamikaze pakeage list
Jan 11 17:54:37 <Lupin-III> this is imposible :/
Jan 11 17:54:48 <Lupin-III> if me update kernel lost internal wifi.
Jan 11 17:54:58 <Lupin-III> but my usb device work.
Jan 11 17:55:48 <Lupin-III> if original flash from fon all hardware internal work ( in ap mode. ) but imposible use my usb wifi
Jan 11 17:56:20 <Lupin-III> and wireless kernel website not info
Jan 11 17:56:26 <Lupin-III> grrrrr
Jan 11 17:56:35 <openfly> Is there a way to load up a fonera with just a base openwrt build?
Jan 11 17:57:01 <Lupin-III> i try but errors and no internal wifi.
Jan 11 17:57:31 <Lupin-III> i have good luck instaled a new openwrt backfire
Jan 11 17:57:43 <Lupin-III> but..... no internal wireless
Jan 11 17:58:02 <Lupin-III> and too many errors
Jan 11 17:59:15 <Lupin-III> fonera 2.0n <-- my fonera.
Jan 11 18:00:03 <Lupin-III> if posible on old fonera i think. is more standart hardware. and not propetary incomplete drivers
Jan 11 18:51:10 <blathijs> openfly: It should be possible, yes. 2.0n might be slightly more tricky regarding drivers than 2.0g, but I think both work. You can probably find some useful info using google
Jan 11 18:57:44 <openfly> yeah
Jan 11 18:57:47 <openfly> i have the 2.0n
Jan 11 18:57:51 <openfly> the device is the issue for sure
Jan 11 18:58:42 <openfly> i was just wondering if there was a way to do it from the fonosfera build environment.
Jan 11 18:59:14 <blathijs> Nope, the fonosfera build environment was substantially modified from the original OpenWRT sources
Jan 11 19:03:27 <openfly> is there a way to remove the fonera public SSID entirely from the build?
Jan 11 19:23:37 <Lupin-III> blathijs you alwais here and help me but is posible work usb atheros AR9271 in fonera 2.0n kernel
Jan 11 19:25:11 <blathijs> openfly: It's pretty deeply nested. However, you can of course just disable it in the WebGUI. Why do you want to do that exactly?
Jan 11 19:25:33 <blathijs> Lupin-III: Is that a driver that is present in the stock 2.6.21 kernel already, or is it external?
Jan 11 19:25:46 <Lupin-III> is not present
Jan 11 19:26:01 <Lupin-III> i see in wireless kernel
Jan 11 19:26:13 <Lupin-III> but old kernel missing tar
Jan 11 19:26:21 <Lupin-III> realy not have idea
Jan 11 19:26:56 <blathijs> You could have a look at other external kernel modules, like trunk/fon/ra_wifi
Jan 11 19:27:03 <Lupin-III> ath9k_htc
Jan 11 19:27:18 <blathijs> not sure how it would work exactly, though. Perhaps blogic has some more useful pointers...
Jan 11 19:29:11 <Lupin-III> and gcc in what opkg is?
Jan 11 19:30:05 <blathijs> I really have no experience with compiling stuff on the Fonera itself, I suspect that that is quite hard and painful, if at all possible...
Jan 11 19:36:50 <openfly> I have to agree with blathijs... compiling directly on the fonera seems incredibly unwise.
Jan 11 22:12:15 <admiral0> hi *
Jan 11 22:26:19 <admiral0> i'm having trouble compiling from svn
Jan 11 22:27:47 <admiral0> http://paste.kde.org/2295/
Jan 11 22:31:33 <Lupin-III> me have -+ same problem
Jan 11 22:31:33 <Lupin-III> XD
Jan 11 22:32:03 <Lupin-III> admiral0 you have idea who compile a kmod atheros 9k htc driver? for fonera 2.0n?
Jan 11 23:37:06 <admiral0> what do you mean
Jan 11 23:37:19 <admiral0> you want a ath9k on fonera?
Jan 12 00:55:01 <Lupin-III> ath9k htc for ar92xx
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