**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 26 03:00:01 2012 Oct 26 05:44:37 Just curios, is the firmware in the impl still being developed? Oct 26 05:59:19 sdx_: If you mean SIMPL, then, yes Oct 26 05:59:58 sdx_: I actually think a new firmware has been deployed to the european SIMPLs recently, but I'm not 100% sure Oct 26 06:12:27 ah ok :) Oct 26 06:12:43 not the same team doing the work? Oct 26 06:13:28 just curious, as 8 own one myself. Oct 26 06:13:58 and btw, when it comes to cellphone network data offload, will that work with existing hardware as well? Oct 26 06:14:37 and will that be available to people who bought the simpl from fon, or just for operator deployed ap's? Oct 26 06:15:59 The blog is, let's say, not very informative nowdays. Unless you care about APs on donkeys and ambulances. :P Oct 26 06:17:02 sdx_: Technically the same team, but there are some partitions within the team :-) Oct 26 06:17:13 blathijs: as usual I guess. :) Oct 26 06:17:42 (And now I'm no longer using a cellphone, so I might spell better now :P ) Oct 26 06:18:08 Either way, your work is appreciated, at least by me. :) Oct 26 06:18:32 sdx_: As for the cellphone data offload stuff, I'm not sure how that technically works. A simple way to implement that would be to just use the existing FON_FREE_INTERNET signal infrastructure, which would then also work with existing Foneras Oct 26 06:18:48 sdx_: Thanks :-) Oct 26 06:19:50 blathijs: as I understood it, it would use some form of auth for 802.1x with a special EAP for auth. But I guess devices would need some kind of initial ssid or other way of identifying which networks have this authentication method available. Oct 26 06:20:18 ...which would mean that the code on each device needs support for this as well. Oct 26 06:20:47 Don't think the average user will try and connect to open networks on a regular basis, just to find out if it's supported on that particular AP. :P Oct 26 06:22:37 Actually, I thought my SIMPL would see fewer connections than it actually did from aliens. But sure, I admit, I do cheat with a 1W signal amplifier between the SIMPL and the fontenna. :P Oct 26 06:26:24 sdx_: Ah, there is 1x+EAP indeed, which is probably going to become the new standard for hotspot logins at some point in the future. IIRC there would need to be a second public SSID for this to work, but I'm not sure Oct 26 06:27:06 blathijs: neither am I, but that's my best guess too. :) Oct 26 06:27:26 sdx_: I can't really comment if this will be supported on all Foneras / all SIMPL fonera, but from my (technical) point of view, it makes sense. There might be all kinds of business considerations as well, of course. Oct 26 06:28:01 Also, I'm pretty sure it will not be implemented on the Fonera classic and Fonera+, since those firmwares are no longer under development. Oct 26 06:29:08 Again, speculation, but I guess that from a legal standpoint, operators would need to 1) Actively participate and sign agreements with FON 2) Possibly deploy new SIM cards that support this functionality or figure out a way to extract existing data from SIM cards that can be used for auth. Oct 26 06:30:04 blathijs: yes, figured that as well. I was just thinking that it wouldn't make sense to build an entierly new device, with a new code tree, from a technical point of view, just to accomplish this functionality. Oct 26 06:30:15 either way, just curios. :) Oct 26 06:30:36 I think there is this thing called EAP-SIM that uses SIM cards for auth indeed. The alternative is of course to just use regular user-password config, but that needs configuration from the user which might not be wanted Oct 26 06:32:04 In any case, I got to run now. Feel free to stick around! :-) Oct 26 06:32:05 blathijs: I think for this to work with most subscribers, it needs to be completely transparent and automatic. I think the divider is having to do something or not. If the user does something, supplying separate credentials for login might not be a big step. Oct 26 06:32:20 Will do. :) Oct 26 06:33:12 And the reason for the perceived lack of motivation to do something is because the vast majority already has Internet access via the cellphone network. Access that they already have paid for, Oct 26 06:34:29 If I look at my own behavior, I never bother to switch networks manually, ever. Because there's no point. So the benefit would be to the operators, rather than the subscribers. But they're working on their own solution which is to move data intensive subscribers to 4G. Oct 26 06:34:44 So I'm not sure if it will fly, to be honest.. Oct 26 06:37:45 To me, it seems like my customers are either travellers that didn't bother/don't know how to buy a SIM card with data enabled, or neighbors that were unlucky and have a non-functional Internet, plus the occasional few who are not eligble for credit (history of unpaid debts, lack of registered income), and thus can't sign an Internet subscription. And maybe even those who want untraceable connectivity since hey're doing something they shouldn't. Oct 26 19:57:52 hi Oct 26 20:00:16 somedoby? Oct 26 20:00:21 somebody? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 27 03:00:01 2012