**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 14 02:59:57 2009 Jul 14 09:09:57 hm Jul 14 09:21:36 hello serdar_ Jul 14 09:22:01 hi pbaxter Jul 14 13:20:43 hi m2 Jul 14 13:20:50 m2, be there? Jul 14 13:56:20 oh, is this git outtage recent, or has it been down for some time now? Jul 14 14:00:58 it's been down since 5 days Jul 14 14:01:03 I am still waiting for it Jul 14 14:01:11 because I want create a mirror Jul 14 15:36:10 hi serdar do you have any idea on how do I build the generic RIL ? Jul 14 15:36:18 hi Jul 14 15:36:50 http://www.kandroid.org/android_pdk/telephony.html#androidTelephonyRILImplementing Jul 14 15:37:03 yes I read that Jul 14 15:37:07 I am reading that too Jul 14 15:37:12 but Makefile speaking how do I do that? Jul 14 15:38:26 no idea, I guess I need time to read everything step by step Jul 14 15:38:38 btw. did you saw the video from yesterday? Jul 14 15:38:42 no Jul 14 15:38:47 http://th30z.netsons.org/category/openmoko/ Jul 14 15:39:00 but I know about the university thing Jul 14 15:39:22 ok I'll look Jul 14 15:39:57 university thing? Jul 14 15:41:56 wow great Jul 14 15:42:16 yes the devlopment of openmoko may continue Jul 14 15:42:54 yes serdar: didn't you read the ml? Jul 14 15:43:05 ml? Jul 14 15:43:20 milestone? Jul 14 15:43:27 "The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development." Jul 14 15:43:33 mailing list Jul 14 15:43:46 no I never read mailing lists Jul 14 15:44:54 me neither serdar Jul 14 15:44:57 but a forum i read Jul 14 15:46:16 I only know about gta02-core Jul 14 16:25:11 are you guys only using android ports on the fr or also using or helping with other distros? Jul 14 16:28:08 Meomer, are you aware that the #openmoko and #openmoko-cdevel channel exist? Jul 14 16:29:36 i've just chosen this channel as entry point, because the droids made the biggest impression on me so far Jul 14 16:32:58 but i'm always open to idle in more places :) Jul 14 16:59:24 I want help every distribution Jul 14 18:11:15 Meomer, ok Jul 14 18:15:29 i'm still in the process of getting an overview of what is being worked on where and whether i can help out somewhere at all :) Jul 14 19:25:14 Meomer, we need help with android. Jul 14 19:25:23 m2, there? Jul 14 19:30:16 m2, be there be there be there! Jul 14 19:37:10 m2, there?? Jul 14 19:50:34 m2, hm Jul 14 20:01:44 hi recursv Jul 14 20:01:59 by any chance, you are not in costa rica are you? Jul 14 20:12:26 AAAH Jul 14 20:12:35 git.koolu.org is back!! Jul 14 20:16:03 hmm Jul 14 20:16:12 the git does not working correctly Jul 14 21:41:25 hi serdar_ if I forgetten to edit that file: vendor/htc/dream/system.prop will I have to rebuild everything? Jul 14 21:41:35 inside there is the path of the ril Jul 14 21:42:29 serdar_, hi Jul 14 21:42:53 hi Gnutoo Jul 14 21:42:57 serdar_, I've a question: if I forgetten to edit that file: vendor/htc/dream/system.prop will I have to rebuild everything? inside that file there is the path of the ril Jul 14 21:43:30 (I changed to rild.libpath=/system/lib/libreference-ril.so which is shipped into my image) Jul 14 21:44:15 I don't get it, why you asking me, because I have never written a code for android, I am just helping in other way, but I would to love to write some code. Jul 14 21:44:52 serdar_, ok I know how to have a free 1.5 sdk if you want or have pointers on how to do it for 1.0 Jul 14 21:45:09 serdar_, so I'll rebuild everything it's safer Jul 14 21:45:17 I only interested in 1.5 Jul 14 21:45:27 or 2.0 but this is dev Jul 14 21:45:29 serdar_, ok so I've a simple howto here: Jul 14 21:45:52 are you useing eclipse too? Jul 14 21:45:58 galileo Jul 14 21:46:06 http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Freest_hardware_comparisons/howto_have_a_free_android_sdk Jul 14 21:46:11 yes but the old one Jul 14 21:46:33 with the howto you have: Jul 14 21:46:36 * a free sdk Jul 14 21:46:42 *with free dependencies Jul 14 21:46:46 *without the doclet Jul 14 21:46:51 *but with standard doc Jul 14 21:47:46 serdar_, I've 4.3 because of the bug device SDK Jul 14 21:48:44 serdar_, I was asking to you because I was under the impressions that you knew a lot more than the average guy hanging in #android...2 asked me what was the RIL... Jul 14 21:48:48 s/2/2 of them Jul 14 21:48:58 most of them don't know the build system... Jul 14 21:49:34 4.3? you mean you are not useing ganymede too? Jul 14 21:49:41 someone even told me that 100% free was an urban legend(openmoko is 100% free but the firmwares and I run a nearly free computer(bios is not free)) Jul 14 21:49:47 serdar_, no I can't Jul 14 21:49:54 hm why? Jul 14 21:50:15 serdar_, I already told...because of the bug device's sdk...if you don't know what is the bug device just ask Jul 14 21:51:57 does it have to do with android? Jul 14 21:52:19 no Jul 14 21:52:22 it's another device Jul 14 21:52:26 but that use java Jul 14 21:52:37 and it's 100% free GNU/Linux too Jul 14 21:52:55 so you can use 4.3+4.5 Jul 14 21:53:01 ah ok Jul 14 21:53:10 you are useing gentoo right? Jul 14 21:53:13 yes Jul 14 21:53:21 but I only use eclipse for the bug device Jul 14 21:53:31 eix eclipse, there must be different slots Jul 14 21:53:46 btw. git.koolu.org is up again Jul 14 21:53:48 I've made the howto for the free sdk for the android but...but I didn't have time to use it yet Jul 14 21:53:49 ok Jul 14 21:53:58 what is that bug device anyway? Jul 14 21:54:26 http://www.buglabs.net/ Jul 14 21:54:30 my moko arrived the buzz fix people Jul 14 21:54:37 ok Jul 14 21:54:42 mine is not buzzfixed Jul 14 21:54:54 I wasn't in the right place in the right moment and had exams Jul 14 21:55:04 so I couldn't buzz-fix it Jul 14 21:55:35 you can send it to germany till 31. july Jul 14 21:55:51 serdar_, do you have any news on 1.5? is it worth investing time on 1.0 or should I wait 1.5? Jul 14 21:56:06 serdar_, ok but I prefer not sending it...I need it Jul 14 21:56:10 it isn't worth to invest time to 1.0 Jul 14 21:56:15 ok Jul 14 21:56:26 you don't have a keyboard there. Jul 14 21:56:28 so I won't try to free the 1.0 sdk and wait for 1.5 to be ready Jul 14 21:56:31 ah Jul 14 21:56:42 I installed 1.0 and had a keyboard...or was it 1.5? Jul 14 21:57:14 that was the work of jancona Jul 14 21:57:30 he ported that from cupcake Jul 14 21:57:37 ah ok thanks jancona Jul 14 21:58:25 do you have some bug devices? Jul 14 21:59:15 yes I've won one Jul 14 21:59:18 at fossdem Jul 14 21:59:50 I've bug-base,gps,2 screens,von hippel,and movment detection Jul 14 22:00:35 you lucky guy Jul 14 22:00:43 I never won a thing :( Jul 14 22:01:07 even my moko I needed to buy and now it's 50EUR cheaper :( Jul 14 22:01:15 ok Jul 14 22:01:32 I didn't thought I could won something Jul 14 22:02:24 I bought a fossdem t-shirt for having the t-shirt and supporting the fossdem...and if you suported fossdem you had a lottery ticket too Jul 14 22:04:12 I was very lucky because there were also proprietary nokia devices to win such as the n800 or n810 Jul 14 22:06:34 If I won a nokia I wouldn't have power managment,wifi,sound etc... Jul 14 22:06:44 that wasn't great Jul 14 22:06:54 s/wasn't/wouldn't have been Jul 14 22:11:38 I was also lucky because I'm an openembedded guy(I've commit access) and the device use a fork of openembedded(poky) and is switching to openembedded Jul 14 22:13:01 hm Jul 14 22:14:15 openembedded is the build system the standards openmoko distro use Jul 14 22:14:26 standard means om2xxx,SHR etc... Jul 14 22:14:32 not debian,android etc... Jul 14 22:14:47 I knew Jul 14 22:14:56 I was trsying to build gentoo for my moko Jul 14 22:15:10 ah but you didn't use openembedded? Jul 14 22:15:18 how's crosstools Jul 14 22:15:33 s/crosstools/crossdev Jul 14 22:15:40 I used crossdev Jul 14 22:16:05 and the embedded overlay Jul 14 22:16:15 ok Jul 14 22:16:23 how is it,does it works well? Jul 14 22:16:24 I think that was openembedded Jul 14 22:16:30 or does it break? Jul 14 22:16:42 I gave up Jul 14 22:16:48 hummm....openembedded is another thing Jul 14 22:16:50 but Jul 14 22:17:02 you didn't have to run the bitbake command? Jul 14 22:17:10 and to look into .bb files? Jul 14 22:17:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr821OgnvYc Jul 14 22:17:27 wat? Jul 14 22:17:32 what? Jul 14 22:17:43 bitbake isn't that the shr stuff? Jul 14 22:17:48 I used emerge Jul 14 22:17:52 ok Jul 14 22:17:58 SHR is based on openembedded Jul 14 22:18:42 ah this video Jul 14 22:18:49 I already saw it it's great Jul 14 22:19:49 i only got my FR 2nd-hand, my GF's brother said he'd bricked it, but when i plugged it in here it was booting QTe Jul 14 22:19:57 he's gone and got the G1 instead :) Jul 14 22:20:47 lol how can someone brick a freerunner...they have 2 bootloaders and eventually you have a debugboard Jul 14 22:20:58 I hesitate about buying the debug board Jul 14 22:21:17 just in case it becomes very unsuported and that the community leaves Jul 14 22:21:56 unless you could use the board for other devices Jul 14 22:22:17 not sure if that's likely Jul 14 22:22:19 I bet you can only on glofiish devices Jul 14 22:22:53 Meomer, by the way the G1 is *very* proprietary Jul 14 22:23:18 Meomer, see http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Freest_hardware_comparisons/proprietary_G1_files Jul 14 22:23:30 I'm trying to change that Jul 14 22:23:51 using generic RIL and removing libgps,the 3d etc... Jul 14 22:27:39 did you see that video it's only 1 Minute Jul 15 00:14:01 is trac.koolu.org and git.koolu.org down? Jul 15 00:43:07 serdar__: works for me Jul 15 00:43:44 from cache? Jul 15 00:44:27 I can't ping them Jul 15 00:44:40 neigther git.koolu.org nor trac.koolu.org Jul 15 00:44:48 not from cache Jul 15 00:44:58 maybe it's a routing issue..the both owkr for me Jul 15 00:45:06 and also can't load them in firefox Jul 15 00:45:19 and i can load them in firefox Jul 15 00:45:19 also can't use repo for syncing Jul 15 00:45:26 it's just you :P Jul 15 00:45:45 I guss it's cache Jul 15 00:45:55 my server can't do that too Jul 15 00:46:12 hm Jul 15 00:46:54 it works on several machines here Jul 15 00:47:00 which have enver visited that Jul 15 00:48:07 koolu.org works ut trac.koolu.org and git.koolu.org does not work Jul 15 00:48:15 also repo sync Jul 15 00:48:40 dunno what to tell you..some kind of routing issue Jul 15 00:50:41 what ip does trac has? Jul 15 00:50:52 it's 208.43.195.114 here Jul 15 00:52:25 PING trac.koolu.org (208.43.195.114) 56(84) bytes of data. Jul 15 00:52:38 try trace route? Jul 15 00:59:01 there is nothing after dallas-datacenter Jul 15 00:59:59 8 as-0.r21.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.158) [MPLS: Label 316048 Exp 0] More labels 120 ms More labels 127 ms More labels 114 ms Jul 15 00:59:59 9 ae-3.r20.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.129) [MPLS: Label 359360 Exp 0] More labels 118 ms More labels 125 ms More labels 112 ms Jul 15 00:59:59 10 as-1.r20.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.42) [MPLS: Label 300240 Exp 0] 155 ms 160 ms 164 ms Jul 15 00:59:59 11 * * * Jul 15 01:00:00 12 te1-1.cer01.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com (157.238.228.10) 171 ms 161 ms 161 ms Jul 15 01:00:02 13 po1.dar01.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com (66.228.118.201) 161 ms 159 ms 169 ms Jul 15 01:00:04 14 po1.fcr04.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com (66.228.118.214) 164 ms 160 ms 163 ms Jul 15 01:00:06 15 * * * Jul 15 01:00:08 16 * * * Jul 15 01:00:10 17 * * * Jul 15 01:00:12 18 * * * Jul 15 01:00:14 19 * * * Jul 15 01:00:16 20 * * * Jul 15 01:00:18 21 * * * Jul 15 01:00:20 22 * * * Jul 15 01:00:22 23 * * * Jul 15 01:00:26 24 * * * Jul 15 01:00:28 25 * * * Jul 15 01:00:30 26 * Jul 15 01:00:32 brrr Jul 15 01:00:41 I guess I am going to sleep, good night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 15 02:59:57 2009