**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 01 02:59:58 2009 Aug 01 09:04:28 anyone know where usb networking info is kept? Aug 01 09:04:49 init.rc just calls ifup usb0, so usb0 must be defined....somewhere! Aug 01 09:12:29 remove ifup and ifdown Aug 01 09:13:42 i don't want to Aug 01 09:13:45 i want usb Aug 01 09:13:52 i just don't want it to be the default route Aug 01 09:15:01 line 74 right? Aug 01 09:15:52 er Aug 01 09:15:54 where? Aug 01 09:16:05 line 74 in my init.rc is empty :-/ Aug 01 09:16:40 line 138: ifup usb0 Aug 01 09:16:44 er Aug 01 09:16:49 line 129 Aug 01 09:18:40 ok, i'm going to try something Aug 01 09:18:50 a modified init.rc that defines the route Aug 01 09:19:04 looks like the default is fucked and i have no clue where the default is take from Aug 01 09:20:21 try ifup eth1 instead Aug 01 09:20:30 eth1?? Aug 01 09:20:33 wtf is eth1? Aug 01 09:20:33 yes Aug 01 09:20:38 isn't that wireless? Aug 01 09:20:43 nope Aug 01 09:20:48 but it could be Aug 01 09:21:13 eth stands for ethernet, it's rare for wireless. Aug 01 09:21:50 nah it's not, the ar driver provides a standard ethernet device iirc Aug 01 09:22:15 mine is wlan0 Aug 01 09:24:41 heh, well, maybe on android Aug 01 09:24:54 but on all distros i've tried to know it was either eth0 or eth1 Aug 01 09:38:37 HA Aug 01 09:38:52 hahaahahahzhahahahahahahahahahahah Aug 01 09:38:57 usb0 + wireless Aug 01 09:38:58 working Aug 01 09:39:06 so i can adb AND use the internet Aug 01 09:39:08 HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA Aug 01 09:41:00 http://moko.soul9.org/android/init.rc.diff Aug 01 09:41:03 there, that does it! Aug 01 09:41:12 \☺/ Aug 01 09:41:23 hurray for me, my first android patch ;) Aug 01 09:44:04 serdar: can you try that if you had the usb problem too? Aug 01 09:44:19 (if your home network is on the 192.168.0.9/24 subnet you did Aug 01 09:44:22 ) Aug 01 09:44:31 oh, you still don't have your FR do you.. Aug 01 09:45:08 I do Aug 01 09:46:00 the latest android from panicking is really slow Aug 01 09:48:44 no it's not Aug 01 09:48:55 well, you should probably disable animations though Aug 01 09:49:08 man, #android should be called ##troll Aug 01 09:52:24 * soul9 started trolling back in #android \☺/ Aug 01 09:52:34 * soul9 can't wait for someone serious to come by Aug 01 10:03:56 serdar: so try my patch please, and tell about it to panicking if he comes around Aug 01 10:03:57 aww Aug 01 10:17:43 heya Aug 01 10:17:50 having connection problems serdar? Aug 01 10:17:57 everytime Aug 01 10:20:04 12:03 soul9: serdar: could you try my patch please, and tell about it to panicking if he comes around Aug 01 10:20:23 which patch? Aug 01 10:20:33 http://moko.soul9.org/android/init.rc.diff? Aug 01 10:20:36 yeah Aug 01 10:21:17 I can't Aug 01 10:21:27 oh? Aug 01 10:21:56 I can't connect my moko with my notebook Aug 01 10:22:09 why not? Aug 01 10:22:15 because of the subnet Aug 01 10:22:24 what? Aug 01 10:22:26 192.168.0.X Aug 01 10:22:31 through usb? Aug 01 10:22:36 usb should still work Aug 01 10:22:37 my router is useing that allready Aug 01 10:22:54 if the .0.202 ip isn't yaken yet here is how you do it: Aug 01 10:23:25 echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 01 10:23:25 echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp Aug 01 10:24:00 ip link set usb0 up Aug 01 10:24:10 ip addr replace dev usb0 192.168.0.200/32 Aug 01 10:24:17 there is no usb0 Aug 01 10:24:26 ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0 Aug 01 10:24:27 usb0 is deprecated for ages Aug 01 10:24:29 modprobe usbnet Aug 01 10:24:44 no it's not; i have a .31 kernel and it's still usb0 Aug 01 10:24:50 why, what's the new interface? Aug 01 10:24:55 so just change the interface Aug 01 10:25:00 ethX Aug 01 10:25:04 it's eth1 here Aug 01 10:25:06 the magic is that you set up a point-to-point link Aug 01 10:25:14 (/32 netmask) Aug 01 10:25:24 so it doesn't interfere with the rest of the network Aug 01 10:25:34 iirc they changed it in the android core Aug 01 10:25:51 man, it's usb0 on both the android and my pc Aug 01 10:26:12 and my pac is gentoo ~x86, the latest and greatest of all the software out there Aug 01 10:26:16 s/pac/pc Aug 01 10:26:23 and the android is latest panicking Aug 01 10:26:32 I am useing gentoo on my workstation too Aug 01 10:26:34 maybe they changed it in debian ot whatever you are using though Aug 01 10:26:37 it's the same there Aug 01 10:26:40 ah.. Aug 01 10:26:52 so if the interface is different just chenge the interface Aug 01 10:26:59 it works just as well Aug 01 10:28:54 this way the subnets don't collide, because only packets to 192.168.0.202 go through usb0 (or whatever your interface is) Aug 01 10:29:19 the fix is the same on the android side aswell, by the way Aug 01 10:29:37 so only packets to 192.168.0.200 get routed through usb0 Aug 01 10:30:32 serdar: you know panicking's email? i'll just send him a mail. Aug 01 10:31:09 yes Aug 01 10:31:50 maybe koolu would like this too? i'm not sure their images suffer from the same problem Aug 01 10:32:16 trimarchi@gandalf.sssup.it Aug 01 10:32:21 thanks Aug 01 10:32:31 panicking is gandalf! Aug 01 10:33:42 ☺ Aug 01 10:37:17 ok, sent Aug 01 10:38:04 ok, i'm off...see ya around Aug 01 10:38:51 android is really slow... Aug 01 10:38:56 see ya Aug 01 12:47:49 hi Aug 01 12:47:59 hey Aug 01 12:53:58 I will try your patch in few minutes, but what is the reason forthis patch? Aug 01 12:54:14 for wifi to work on 192.168.0.0/24 subnets Aug 01 12:54:20 er, routing mainly Aug 01 12:54:41 wifi works, it's just that it'll route 192.168.0.0/24 through usb0 Aug 01 12:56:21 does android work for you without a sim card? Aug 01 12:56:33 hmm Aug 01 12:56:35 lemme see Aug 01 12:58:51 and the sensors seems to be advanced somehow, but somehow it don't work correctly Aug 01 13:00:18 yeps it works Aug 01 13:00:22 without a sim Aug 01 13:01:33 huh? Aug 01 13:01:40 I can't do a thing Aug 01 13:02:15 only an emergency call and that dont work eigther Aug 01 13:04:23 and if I press the emergency button it sleeps Aug 01 13:04:50 no Aug 01 13:04:57 press power Aug 01 13:05:05 how long? Aug 01 13:05:08 er Aug 01 13:05:12 many times ;) Aug 01 13:05:18 dunno, didn't work the first time Aug 01 13:05:24 dunno how i made it work Aug 01 13:05:28 but i did exit that screen Aug 01 13:06:02 don't work here Aug 01 13:07:27 yeah it does Aug 01 13:07:41 i don't remember Aug 01 13:07:48 maybe press power for long Aug 01 13:07:58 select shutdown (it won't shutdown) and then Aug 01 13:08:05 then I can shutdown Aug 01 13:08:10 no Aug 01 13:08:14 it won't shut down Aug 01 13:08:17 at least it didn't for me Aug 01 13:08:26 but after that the power button worked Aug 01 13:08:39 and it asked for my secret combination Aug 01 13:09:07 it shut down... Aug 01 13:09:17 I boot again Aug 01 13:10:35 weird :-/ Aug 01 13:10:47 no sounds reasonable for me Aug 01 13:11:03 after pressing shutdown it should shutdown Aug 01 13:14:50 huh HDQ error Aug 01 13:23:55 ? Aug 01 13:24:01 wtf? Aug 01 13:24:14 hi Aug 01 13:24:24 hi a can go to home screen in android? Aug 01 13:24:28 how* Aug 01 13:24:29 i Aug 01 13:24:40 press back repeatedly? Aug 01 13:24:43 from what app? Aug 01 13:24:49 browser Aug 01 13:24:55 well Aug 01 13:25:07 is there a method to go to home screen directly? Aug 01 13:25:12 yes Aug 01 13:25:17 in spare parts Aug 01 13:25:27 set end button behaviour to Aug 01 13:25:32 home then sleep Aug 01 13:25:39 then if you press power medium long Aug 01 13:25:43 it'll exit to home Aug 01 13:25:55 medium long is quite hard to get, so it kinda sucks Aug 01 13:26:05 but better then nothing ;) Aug 01 13:26:08 i used medium long to sleep Aug 01 13:26:12 about 3 seconds Aug 01 13:26:18 5 secoonds to power off Aug 01 13:26:25 yes Aug 01 13:26:26 one press for menu Aug 01 13:26:29 yes Aug 01 13:26:45 aux button used only to back? Aug 01 13:26:57 yeah Aug 01 13:27:02 may be long press aux button emits go home action? Aug 01 13:27:07 i suppose it will be nice Aug 01 13:27:11 i'd like if one of the functionalities was migrated to it Aug 01 13:27:23 but it doesn't currently Aug 01 13:27:29 afaik Aug 01 13:27:34 power button for menu, sleep and poweroff Aug 01 13:27:40 and aux for back and home Aug 01 13:27:43 yes Aug 01 13:27:44 i agree Aug 01 13:27:52 maybe a bug on koolu bugzilla? Aug 01 13:27:59 hàtigen Aug 01 13:28:02 vanpàr csomag Aug 01 13:28:28 soul9, which resource do you use to get andoid apps? Aug 01 13:29:36 panicking's images: http://moko.soul9.org/android/ Aug 01 13:29:45 it's cupcake Aug 01 13:29:49 so it's pretty nice Aug 01 13:29:59 with the nice new android softkeyboard Aug 01 13:30:42 soul9, i mean applications not os Aug 01 13:31:02 android market not working on freerunner Aug 01 13:31:31 ah. Aug 01 13:31:34 andappstore Aug 01 13:31:36 that proprety thing? Aug 01 13:31:37 check it out Aug 01 13:31:41 er? Aug 01 13:31:50 what proprietary thing? andappstore? Aug 01 13:31:52 well, i guess? Aug 01 13:32:00 newer panicking android broke the accelerometers. they now dump tonns of log messages and does nothing Aug 01 13:32:03 so what is android market then if not proprietary? :) Aug 01 13:32:59 http://pastebin.com/m28e9814c Aug 01 13:33:45 serdar: so what is the problem? Aug 01 13:33:55 please don't make me read the whole thing :p Aug 01 13:34:09 soul9, why not? :P Aug 01 13:34:13 it's funny Aug 01 13:34:19 no it isn't :D Aug 01 13:34:22 it's superlong Aug 01 13:34:30 I tried to find out something Aug 01 13:35:04 there seems to be problems with sensors Aug 01 13:35:09 activate deactivate Aug 01 13:35:18 nice Aug 01 13:35:25 wifi wpa2 works) Aug 01 13:35:26 but I don'T see, why I can't use android without sim Aug 01 13:35:27 i don't use the sensors :D Aug 01 13:35:28 i'm happy Aug 01 13:35:37 because it's really slow Aug 01 13:36:13 and wifi is not working for me Aug 01 13:36:15 # Aug 01 13:36:15 E/vold ( 846): Unable to lookup media '/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:0001' Aug 01 13:36:15 # Aug 01 13:36:15 E/vold ( 846): Error processing uevent msg (No such file or directory) Aug 01 13:36:31 ÷/ Aug 01 13:36:33 it tries to scan, then says that supplicant is not started Aug 01 13:36:40 so your sdcard isn't mounted? Aug 01 13:36:50 Q-Master: this is on which panicking image? Aug 01 13:36:52 soul9, aux long press emits running application list Aug 01 13:37:12 solarw: not on my phone it doesn't. you using panicking's images? Aug 01 13:37:20 panickkings Aug 01 13:37:23 just instaled Aug 01 13:37:28 installed Aug 01 13:38:06 20090729 Aug 01 13:38:09 which version Aug 01 13:38:11 hmm Aug 01 13:38:16 it doesn't do it for me :( Aug 01 13:38:21 how long do you press? Aug 01 13:38:26 soul9: yep. uImage-v24 and the latest jffs Aug 01 13:38:31 about 3 seconds Aug 01 13:38:38 Q-Master: that's really weird! Aug 01 13:38:45 Q-Master: wifi works flawlessly here Aug 01 13:38:55 solarw: straaaange, it doesn't do that for me Aug 01 13:39:05 soul9: at my friends neo it is also not working Aug 01 13:39:08 solarw: you had maybe a settings directory from some older release? Aug 01 13:39:16 Q-Master, i has latest fjjs and kernel-24 Aug 01 13:39:16 Q-Master: huh Aug 01 13:39:25 soul9, mb Aug 01 13:39:32 i installed koolu from sd card Aug 01 13:39:44 yeah Aug 01 13:39:45 than flashed panicking's image to neo Aug 01 13:39:49 so maybe it's a setting Aug 01 13:39:53 may be Aug 01 13:39:55 would be awesome to know... Aug 01 13:40:01 i'll look on my sd Aug 01 13:40:06 maybe also locking screen at suspend is also such an option Aug 01 13:40:13 * soul9 starts to look into android docs Aug 01 13:40:20 the image don't work without a sim card, that sucks :/ Aug 01 13:41:32 so Aug 01 13:41:48 what the hell is HDQ error Aug 01 13:41:50 i think if set home screen in running application list it will be great Aug 01 13:41:55 it is definitely not setting for me Aug 01 13:42:06 I've installed android to my uSD Aug 01 13:42:15 eh Aug 01 13:42:23 mayvb that's the reason. Aug 01 13:42:32 why? Aug 01 13:42:44 well Aug 01 13:42:54 Q-Master: try adding a line to init.rc Aug 01 13:42:59 mounting root as rw Aug 01 13:43:20 because wpa_supplicant creates a socket on the filesystem Aug 01 13:43:23 soul9: don't you think that I am SO dumb? 8) Aug 01 13:43:33 eh? Aug 01 13:44:21 I've installed android to my uSD since the beginning Aug 01 13:44:30 ok Aug 01 13:44:33 I know that / must be a rw Aug 01 13:44:37 so then paste an logcat? Aug 01 13:44:43 the problem is something else Aug 01 13:45:03 i'm honestly not sure i can help, never installed a jffs2 to usd Aug 01 13:45:27 seems too big a hassle for me Aug 01 13:45:56 not really Aug 01 13:47:08 oh! Aug 01 13:47:12 in the new panicking Aug 01 13:47:22 receiving call while suspended is f41l Aug 01 13:47:22 :( Aug 01 14:38:59 have you tried make a call with latest panicking? Aug 01 14:39:53 if you make a call and activate speaker, are you be able to hear the other side? Aug 01 14:40:05 no Aug 01 14:40:12 but calling works Aug 01 14:40:23 just speaker not Aug 01 14:40:30 how do you deaktivate sensors? Aug 01 14:40:39 spare parts iirc Aug 01 14:40:54 in settings? Aug 01 14:40:57 no Aug 01 14:40:59 in spare parts Aug 01 14:41:11 ah Aug 01 14:42:14 i think sensors doesn't work well because the grahics is so damned slow Aug 01 14:42:21 stupid glamo crap Aug 01 14:42:38 no Aug 01 14:42:39 the glamo is the single wors part in the neo Aug 01 14:42:55 serdar: yes, because the event works fine Aug 01 14:42:59 each and every time Aug 01 14:42:59 I've seen really fast sensors Aug 01 14:43:13 yeah, well, that guy tuned the crap out of his gentoo Aug 01 14:43:16 but not android Aug 01 14:43:26 and gentoo uses arm4el Aug 01 14:43:38 android? where/when on what phone? Aug 01 14:43:45 on G1 or whatever i bet it's fine Aug 01 14:44:12 serdar: on android on th freerunner? Aug 01 14:44:37 i have never seen fast rotate, not even with debian, so i'd really be surprised Aug 01 14:45:03 there is a "not" did you see it? Aug 01 14:45:20 ah Aug 01 14:45:23 lol, no i didn't Aug 01 14:46:40 actually, gentoo is the most advanced distro on the freerunner after android Aug 01 14:46:44 android uses thumb Aug 01 14:46:53 gentoo arm4el, not even debian uses that yet Aug 01 14:47:13 aah Aug 01 14:48:30 yeah. Aug 01 14:48:33 if you try "fancy rotation animation" you see, that it is not as much slow, I guess it's kind of reprogramming Aug 01 14:48:35 i used gentoo on the fr Aug 01 14:48:42 I tried and failed Aug 01 14:48:42 oh? Aug 01 14:48:44 really? Aug 01 14:48:53 i failed too hehe Aug 01 14:48:57 we met in the channel Aug 01 14:48:59 i remember! Aug 01 14:48:59 but it was before milestone 2 Aug 01 14:49:02 yeah Aug 01 14:49:04 very early on Aug 01 14:49:22 i remember:) Aug 01 14:49:49 I don't see how to deactivate rotations with spare parts Aug 01 14:49:54 no Aug 01 14:49:58 it was not there sorry Aug 01 14:50:04 :) Aug 01 14:50:32 * serdar slaps soul9 with a win 7 dvd Aug 01 14:50:38 ah! Aug 01 14:50:49 settings → sound & display Aug 01 14:51:14 but test fancy rotations to see what I mean Aug 01 14:51:29 yeah, it looks like faster than without animation :D Aug 01 14:51:39 weirdness Aug 01 14:51:41 owell Aug 01 14:52:03 the reaction is very fast maybe <= 1 second Aug 01 14:52:17 yeah, the rotation takes ~5 secs tho Aug 01 14:53:03 hmm need to figure it out, but I need to learn about android programming Aug 01 14:53:43 i tink the speed is due to kernel problem Aug 01 14:53:51 damn slow graphics Aug 01 14:54:02 panicking must share his knowledge Aug 01 14:54:18 :) Aug 01 14:54:44 * soul9 tries to call himself to see wtf is up with call reception Aug 01 15:05:24 man... Aug 01 15:05:29 my patch is worthless :( Aug 01 15:19:19 serdar: knowledge? bah! if something, he ought to publish the source... oh, wait, I remember, he doesn't do that and you don't give a damn Aug 01 15:29:45 m2: yes he would, if there was a repo somewhere :D Aug 01 15:29:50 he did for a while Aug 01 15:29:55 then the server b0rked Aug 01 15:36:05 •t i agree he should send the patches to koolu Aug 01 15:36:19 uh, s,•,bu Aug 01 15:36:45 at the same time, though, he works on cupcake (i don't know what koolu's policy is about cupcake bugs) Aug 01 15:36:46 hm koolu can merge the sources. Aug 01 15:37:09 serdar: from where? Aug 01 15:37:25 he isn't publishing the sources Aug 01 15:38:15 it was published at git.moko.serdar-dere.net and will be published there too I hope Aug 01 15:39:37 i know. it was published for a week or so Aug 01 15:39:42 then the server b0rked :( Aug 01 15:40:29 git.koolu.org was down for a long time Aug 01 15:41:43 you sir are just making excuses... Aug 01 15:41:47 not that long. Aug 01 15:42:25 m2: well, honestly, if i wanted to be productive (;p) i wouldn't take the time to set up an android repo Aug 01 15:42:29 it looks like a pita :( Aug 01 15:42:40 there is absolutely no docs either Aug 01 15:42:41 it was for a week Aug 01 15:43:07 and no support neither here or in #android, or in #android-dev Aug 01 15:43:29 i know i was the one who first offered panicking to host a repo Aug 01 15:43:34 soul9: sure, breach the GPL in the process, it's just boring legal stuff that noone cares about, right? Aug 01 15:43:41 hehe Aug 01 15:43:50 well, i give you that. Aug 01 15:44:04 thanks! Aug 01 15:44:06 ∠d i really hope you guys can make it happen Aug 01 15:44:13 s/∠/an Aug 01 15:44:35 you can believe me when i say i would really like to be able to see the changes he maks Aug 01 15:44:48 that's cure, what did you press to make that come out? the only thing I can produce by accident are weird chinese (?) glyphs Aug 01 15:44:50 which was why i proposed Aug 01 15:44:54 cute even Aug 01 15:45:01 hhahha Aug 01 15:45:10 well, i use a VM called inferno (a plan9 sibling) Aug 01 15:45:17 compose sequences are awesome Aug 01 15:45:22 but they are triggered by alt Aug 01 15:45:45 so window switch to irc, then start typing and the first two chars get composed it it's a compose sequence Aug 01 15:45:51 alt + n + o Aug 01 15:45:52 ;) Aug 01 15:45:53 no Aug 01 15:45:54 ¬ Aug 01 15:46:22 altgr + 6 Aug 01 15:46:35 ∞ = alt + i + f #for infinity Aug 01 15:46:43 ∍uff like that Aug 01 15:46:49 aaaaa :D Aug 01 15:47:21 that was alt + s + t Aug 01 15:48:51 ah, I see... Aug 01 15:49:32 my compose key is mapped to the right "windows" key on this keyboard, I usually don't hit that by accident... Aug 01 15:49:40 yeah Aug 01 15:49:58 i should switch the kde default modifier to the win key, but there is no way to do that in batch :( Aug 01 15:50:17 left windows key is fine Aug 01 15:51:07 but the compose sequences in plan9 and inferno are really awesome, one of the great things in those systems Aug 01 15:51:14