**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 02 03:00:03 2018 Mar 02 05:21:40 be careful with vanilla MTK tool, as full format will erase nvram partition with device-specific data Mar 02 05:51:33 cos-: yes, I'm working on a wiki, I hope I'll release it today Mar 02 09:07:05 VartiWork: great, thanks Mar 02 11:29:15 mine has just arrived! Mar 02 11:30:29 Congrats, cowboycoder - what's your first impressions? Mar 02 11:30:43 pretty box? ;) Mar 02 11:31:33 cowboycoder, congrats mate Mar 02 11:31:40 now start coding :) Mar 02 11:32:34 most importantly for me so far and not getting paranoia is everything working for you Mar 02 11:32:58 TBH in that 1st batch and count the few people who received their devices there are many flaws Mar 02 11:43:23 HW flaws or SW flaws? Mar 02 11:47:45 Kero, so far there seems to be keyboard keys misaligned or broken, network issues, CPU heli x25 while PC stated in their last hardware update it should X27, and USB not charging ... Mar 02 11:47:57 those are what I know off so far. Mar 02 11:48:57 Kero, I believe software issues/bugs can happen at this early stage but physical errors are a concern for me Mar 02 11:49:19 not that repair centers are around the corner Mar 02 11:55:23 saw q post about keys, but that was quickly fixed - the rest, big oops... Mar 02 11:58:52 Kero: considering the few devices delivered and already many reports raises a big concern of quality control, now am sure/hope PC will take notes and work more on the QC in the next production stages Mar 02 12:00:53 big concern? how many quality problems have you seen? Mar 02 12:01:13 the one i seen is enough Mar 02 12:02:17 and we are talking about less than how many backers so far? 20/10 Mar 02 12:02:48 Not that they delivered a thousand and a couple only have minor issues Mar 02 12:03:29 i hope they hit brake at deliveries and fix the issues before next batch Mar 02 12:03:47 this is why i'm not in hurry to get the device :-) Mar 02 12:03:51 Me too cos- Mar 02 12:04:15 Now am glad am at 64** Mar 02 12:04:57 And am more curious of what PC reply on the helio x25 Mar 02 12:05:30 I mean PC showed they live to their statements Mar 02 12:06:12 Their website still shows the specs as being the X27 (at least from the clock speed, it's not explicitly stated). Mar 02 12:06:39 is there a real confirmation that it's a x25? at least i've only read that some software reports it as x25 Mar 02 12:06:45 Yes it was on one of the hardware updates on indiegogo Mar 02 12:07:13 a-steve: https://www.planetcom.co.uk/?page_id=8 says 2.6GHz A72 which is X27 AIUI. Mar 02 12:07:14 The software can recognize the x27 Mar 02 12:07:40 a-steve: software can always fail Mar 02 12:07:47 a-steve: I'm guessing we're in th hundreds of delivered Gemini's by now Mar 02 12:07:50 I really hope so Mar 02 12:09:04 Noodles: yes x27 Mar 02 12:09:25 here's x25 specs https://www.mediatek.com/products/smartphones/mt6797t-helio-x25 Mar 02 12:10:11 really having x25 would be a big fail on PC, but i'd like to get hard confirmation on which soc it is. Mar 02 12:10:38 Noodles: what akik said we know they updated the from x25 to x27, but one of the backers posted SS showing x25 on his device and we are hoping it is a software failure Mar 02 12:11:32 a-steve: can you link to that post? Mar 02 12:12:10 There is also on oesf.org a post showing SS Mar 02 12:12:20 Geekbench reports MT6797T (i.e. X25), rather than MT6797X (X27). Assume that's being read from firmware somewhere. Mar 02 12:13:12 https://i.imgur.com/SphfW3t.jpg Mar 02 12:13:32 Direct image akik Mar 02 12:13:44 thanks Mar 02 12:13:55 what about CPU freq at high load? Mar 02 12:15:03 TheKit: the max frequency is on the specs page Mar 02 12:15:20 https://www.mediatek.com/products/smartphones/mt6797x-helio-x27 Mar 02 12:17:11 no, I mean, of actual device Mar 02 12:17:46 TheKit: i don’t have the device yet, you’ll probably get it b4 me Mar 02 12:17:52 TheKit: planet computers specs say it's a x27 Mar 02 12:18:55 As for clocking seems there is no big difference Mar 02 12:21:23 TheKit: is postmarketos team hyped about the Gemini Mar 02 12:21:28 Weirdly the X25 seems to have a faster GPU than the X27 (850 vs 780MHz) Mar 02 12:22:37 Noodles: Source? I thought X20/23 were 780, X25 is 850MHz and X27 is 875MHz for the GPU. Mar 02 12:22:46 Noodles: it says 850MHz vs. 875MHz Mar 02 12:24:42 a-steve, honestly it was a bit of miscommunication, as the required bits are not even merged yet Mar 02 12:26:21 I'm going by https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/mediatek/helio/mt6797x which is presumably wrong then. Mar 02 12:27:30 Noodles: the text at the top is wrong the detais lower down the page are 885 MHz Mar 02 12:27:34 875 Mar 02 12:28:08 Ah. Ta. Mar 02 12:28:39 from wikichip, access to RAM would be a lot faster for the X25, though. kinda weird Mar 02 12:28:41 TheKit: i have big hopes on this one Mar 02 12:29:42 Don’t ask why Mar 02 12:38:41 i see at the fb fan page a report by joe fitzgerald showing that x25 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/permalink/1802425436725164/ Mar 02 12:48:27 meanwhile, there's a German user already selling his Gemini before it has arrived :( Mar 02 12:48:53 he says "also because of the long wait" Mar 02 12:49:48 lolwat Mar 02 12:50:30 The Dr with an order "well below the 5000 mark" and still pestering on the comments takes the cake for me today Mar 02 12:57:44 Mine has arrived, but it's at home and I'm at work. :( Mar 02 12:58:13 congrats Mar 02 12:58:24 Order #510 fwiw. Mar 02 12:58:28 that's why I have set my shipping address to my office :) Mar 02 12:58:53 Noodles: What's your address, and when do you get home? ;) Mar 02 12:59:00 canny[m]: hahaha Mar 02 12:59:17 he might be your neighbour canny[m] Mar 02 12:59:31 hehe Mar 02 13:00:18 lol....don't worry, I can wait for mine to arrive in the second batch... Mar 02 13:00:49 (maybe 3rd batch, depending on production run quantities...) Mar 02 14:00:04 now thinking that I might want the camera addon Mar 02 14:01:31 Another user confirm helio x25 Mar 02 14:01:51 https://i.imgur.com/8k8lyEr.jpg Mar 02 14:03:16 the lack of response from Planet is quite worrying Mar 02 14:07:18 jeffers[m]: they are still overwhelmed by MWC and the fact that they have an another batch of 2000 perks to produce Mar 02 14:08:10 So am not sure how much they are following or able to reply Mar 02 14:09:05 a-steve: that confirmation seems to be a screenshot from a software, not a confirmation Mar 02 14:09:22 photo of the soc would be a confirmation Mar 02 14:09:48 Yeah but that’s 2 hopefully software glitch Mar 02 14:10:47 We need PC to clarify things and am not sure if any backer that received his device is willing to dig deep Mar 02 14:11:57 cowboycoder: could you open your gemini and take a photo of the soc :-) Mar 02 14:12:14 cos-: lmfao Mar 02 14:12:21 He might do it Mar 02 14:12:38 make a proper teardown video to youtube :-) Mar 02 14:12:43 But he’s been quiet since he announced his delivery Mar 02 14:12:53 then "will it blend?" Mar 02 14:13:13 and hydraulic press vs gemini Mar 02 14:14:05 Torture test maybe 😂 Mar 02 14:15:39 Lmfao Mar 02 14:16:07 cos-: see what you did, now he left Mar 02 14:17:46 he started tearing down his gemini Mar 02 14:18:39 Hm that explains his ping timeout 😂 Mar 02 14:46:07 cos: :D Mar 02 14:46:23 yeah, sure, let me just break out the torx bits Mar 02 15:19:39 what's the deal with "screen protector"? i assume it's the plastic that's on all screens when they come from factory Mar 02 15:20:03 anyway, why would anyone need a protector for gemini? it's closed when it's put in pocket Mar 02 15:24:27 yeah, it's just the usual thing. No 'peel here' tab though, and it's flush to the bezel Mar 02 15:58:15 people on facebook are complaining that the "screen protector" has bubbles.. Mar 02 15:58:38 people on facebook complain, that's what happens on facebook ;) Mar 02 16:00:07 s/on facebook//g :) Mar 02 16:06:43 :D Mar 02 16:08:34 any IRC client recommendations for Android? Mar 02 16:11:17 androirc Mar 02 16:18:16 sweet Mar 02 16:18:50 termux + weechat FTW Mar 02 16:57:58 Hello guys to simplify the work of PC to track all the issues for future productions, Varti on oesf.org have started a section for backers who have received their Gemini's and have some quality issues wether it was keyboard, network, USB, etc lets try and post our thread there with screenshots if possible. Mar 02 16:57:59 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34797 Mar 02 16:58:45 pretty dissapointing thus far Mar 02 16:58:47 the Gemini Mar 02 16:58:53 should be getting mine on monday Mar 02 16:59:32 PC essentially scammed us putting in a x25 they must have gotten that soc for free from mediatek Mar 02 17:10:36 serp__, some folks including me are hopping for a software bug/glitch and lets hope PC will soon make a statement about this ... Mar 02 17:13:19 either explain why it is X25 not X27 or confirm that it is the X27 actually and the software is bugged Mar 02 17:49:34 'scam' is when you get nothing for your $$. Name one thing you cannot do with X25 that you could do with X27. Mar 02 17:54:45 Indeed - I don't think I'll lose too much sleep if mine has an X25 - so long as all advertised features are provided. The X25 supports two cameras, doesn't it? Mar 02 17:55:46 probably every modern MediaTek phone supports frontal and rear cameras Mar 02 17:55:50 *chipset Mar 02 18:01:37 The problem here is not if it is superior or inferior in term of specs, it is a seller promise of sale Mar 02 18:03:12 that's actually interesting, X27 wasn't promised initially, so what sense would that make for them to announce upgrade if it was not going to happen? Mar 02 18:03:38 exactly Mar 02 18:03:56 but what am trying to say if it was the X25 then there is a problem Mar 02 18:04:26 because they said they are upgrading from X25 to X27 Mar 02 18:04:47 There is a post on FB (re 25-27) Mar 02 18:05:41 actually it is on one of the hardware updates on indiegogo Mar 02 18:09:21 https://imgur.com/a/skukO Mar 02 18:10:22 make sure you hold them to that 2.6MHz spec too Mar 02 18:12:02 eventually if it was the X25 or the X27 nothing we can do, can we? Mar 02 18:13:09 steve-marinos: No promise of sale here - remember, it was on an IGG flexible Funding - you were investing, not buying Mar 02 18:14:16 DaPol2, come on mate no pushed them to upgrade then downgrade while they announced it as upgrade and kept it silent when downgrading their stuff, it is principle and integrity Mar 02 18:14:49 I'll give you that - problem is that it's breach of goodwill, which they arguably didn't have any of as a startup Mar 02 18:16:06 Meh - finally home, playing with it - and the single worst thing I've found so far is a software problem Mar 02 18:16:10 I think the whole thing is blown out of proportion Mar 02 18:16:41 DaPol2: ?? Mar 02 18:17:12 THEcowboycoder: The App Bar app Mar 02 18:17:47 if you hit the "Planet" button the damn thing pops up a modal overlay which captures focus on the screen, and the only way I've found to relese focus is a full power cycle Mar 02 18:17:49 so far for me and am gonna admit it and say i wish i got the Pyra, but still i have hopes once they clarify this "if it was true" and so far they tried to keep their announcements so lets hope they have a good explanation "again if it was not a software glitch" Mar 02 18:18:45 The easy fix is "Don't use the app bar" Mar 02 18:18:54 THEcowboycoder, what is blown out of proportion? Mar 02 18:19:04 just press the planert button again Mar 02 18:19:14 the x25/x27 fuss Mar 02 18:19:43 THEcowboycoder, just a matter of principals for me :) Mar 02 18:19:56 and integrity Mar 02 18:20:03 yeah, I get the Mar 02 18:20:04 THEcowboycoder: I do. It does nothing. The popup stays. Mar 02 18:20:34 principle, but personally I didn't buy it for a particular chipset Mar 02 18:20:45 steve-marinos: If the message from Robin on FB is correct what we have here is a somewhat well known tactic on the part of the factory and Planet being a little too trusting Mar 02 18:21:52 The well known tactic is "Bait and Switch" and if you read any of the articles Bunnie Huang has written on Chinese manufacturing you'll see that it's fairly common unless you ride shotgun on the factory all the time for them to swap out functionally similar but cheaper components for the same unit cost to the customer Mar 02 18:21:54 DaPol: odd. which overlay is sticking for you? planet and esc just dismiss the app bar and the planet menu on the left Mar 02 18:21:56 DaPol2, can you tag me or link the message Mar 02 18:22:07 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/?multi_permalinks=1802648146702893¬if_id=1520007729434147¬if_t=group_highlights&ref=notif Mar 02 18:22:36 THEcowboycoder: Configure the App Bar for "Always On" and "Auto Hide" and try it Mar 02 18:25:36 DaPol2, sights, so much for quality control then ... Mar 02 18:26:22 lol Mar 02 18:26:24 :D Mar 02 18:29:28 steve-marinos: To be fair, it works exactly the way it should - without staring at the circuit board and reading the etching on the SoC there's no sensible way for them to have checked - runing ZCpu on a line test isn't a "normal" thing to do Mar 02 18:31:00 DaPol2: In one of the first looks, this problem was noted. Solution is to find the setting that makes the app bar disappear after 5 seconds. Mar 02 18:31:23 right - I'll take an X25-Gemini from Planet, if it means I get my Gemini sooner. Mar 02 18:33:15 Kero, actually no, from what am reading so far I am happy now that I won't get mine till late ... who knows what my show next and on longer time use, maybe an exploding battery :) Mar 02 18:34:07 The not-quite-linux-support has me upset, but not this. Mar 02 18:34:18 steve, to each his own. Mar 02 18:34:25 it is piling up mate Mar 02 18:34:53 and that's what worries me Mar 02 18:35:39 software issues at least can be sorted out eventually Mar 02 18:36:21 TheKit yes i have no worries for software issues over hardware quality/issues ... Mar 02 18:37:38 From The Register last week: “Whatever you do, new users, don't set the popup Planet toolbar to "always on." If you do, the toolbar's menu grabs the focus and can't then be dismissed.” Mar 02 18:38:50 why even say x27 if it is a x25 just say mediatek Mar 02 18:38:59 or did mediatek screw over Gemini by sending the wrong chips? Mar 02 18:40:06 did a quick check Mar 02 18:40:07 according to a post on FB it is the factory mistake? Mar 02 18:40:19 MT6797T string comes from bootloader/atags.c Mar 02 18:41:19 TheKit you are better in software drivers than me does it really differs for Linux distro to use any of the chipsets ? Mar 02 18:41:35 I know that x27 is based on the X20 shipset Mar 02 18:42:09 which have a better kernel drivers support if i understood correctly ? Mar 02 18:43:04 I know fakfur have a good experience with this but been a while i haven't seen him on IRC or on indiegogo Mar 02 18:43:22 both X25 and X27 are based on X20 with different CPU clocks Mar 02 18:43:49 shouldn't be too d ifficult to change out the mother board. PC claims very easy to upgrade and take apart Mar 02 18:43:53 for some reason I know he will be even more pissed about this Mar 02 18:44:24 If they send out upgrade PCB that would be nice Mar 02 18:44:53 serp_, I will be waiting what PC have really to say about this Mar 02 18:45:16 I wonder if mediatek cheated PC or PC knew about it Mar 02 18:45:27 media tek is not a very honest company historically Mar 02 18:45:37 maybe dumped all old stock x25 SOC on PC Mar 02 18:45:38 but hence the old testament, Adam blamed eve and eve blamed the snake Mar 02 18:46:25 who did PCB design and manufacturing? PC or did they outsource? I assume based on mediatek reference design Mar 02 18:46:51 it was in one of the updates Mar 02 18:48:00 serp_, dunno i have been a last second backer, I tried to read what seemed important and then followed Mar 02 18:49:32 could be they used X25 reference design to do develompent but then just swap out SOC during production Mar 02 18:49:42 maybe it got screwed up and they never made the change Mar 02 18:50:43 The Processor Gemini's CPU has been upgraded from Mediatek's Helio X25 to Helio X27. The Helio X27 processor is an update to the X25 processor and has faster main cores and a faster GPU. The fastest cores are now running at 2.6 MHz. It has overall better power consumption characteristics than the X25 chip. Mar 02 18:50:59 serp_: or maybe they made the hardware change but not the software one (re TheKit's comment above) Mar 02 18:51:15 "Hi David, We have investigated the issue of the processor model and we can now confirm that the current production units are powered by the X25 chip, not X27. We have alerted the factory as they have told us they would be using X27 processor instead of the X25 that was in our original specification, due to the availability of the X25 chips and similarity of the specifications. Mar 02 18:51:15 We are awaiting a full response from the factory on this issue and we will keep you updated. Regards, Robin!" Mar 02 18:51:16 someone needs to take it apart Mar 02 18:51:17 On Indiegogo comments: “Daryl Steward Mar 02 18:51:18 28 minutes ago Mar 02 18:51:19 Now confirmed by Robin / CEO of Planet Computers that all of the first batch of Gemini’s have X25 processors instead of the revised X27 chip. They are taking it up with the factory in China.” Mar 02 18:51:44 their post contradicts it, it was just wild guess from me Mar 02 18:51:58 wonder how they are going to fix the issue Mar 02 18:52:08 the chinese factory it will be unlikely they pay for it Mar 02 18:52:21 PC has always said the gemini is very easy to take apart and moduler Mar 02 18:52:27 so should be easy enough to change the motherboard Mar 02 18:53:09 I forsee swapmeets between people with the X25 boards who feel cheated and people with the X27 boards who don't give a stuff. :) Mar 02 18:54:09 darkling, lol Mar 02 18:54:35 lol the later backers get the benefit of using the early ones as guinea pig Mar 02 18:54:52 The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ;) Mar 02 18:55:57 this is why the assembly should take place in U K Mar 02 18:56:02 then this issue will not be one Mar 02 18:56:32 maybe now they will send out x30 chips Mar 02 18:58:30 Taoyuan, Taiwan 03/02/2018 10:24 P.M. Departure Scan Mar 02 19:03:09 Has anyone gotten the right-side USB port to work for video out? Mar 02 19:06:09 I would pay extra if it supported HDMI protocol through USB-C Mar 02 19:07:02 now PC will get huge windfall from u sing wrong product extra 60-70k made because of using cheaper chipset Mar 02 19:24:42 doubt they are that much cheaper Mar 02 19:25:14 for ~4000 units? Mar 02 20:40:13 yeah that URL doesn't work for me Mar 02 20:40:17 oesf.org Mar 02 20:41:04 coolty: do you get any error ? Mar 02 20:41:18 can you access http://www.oesf.org ? Mar 02 20:41:26 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=192 - that's the top level for the Gemini subforum Mar 02 20:41:28 no i cannot access that Mar 02 20:41:37 says it's down Mar 02 20:41:47 oh you know what Mar 02 20:41:52 maybe its because of my VPN Mar 02 20:41:54 oesf works here Mar 02 20:41:59 I think PIA is blocking that for some reason? Mar 02 20:43:08 ok, the link in the topic should now point to the sub forum for Gemini PDA Mar 02 20:52:27 the pcb assembler bought the x25 they probably assemble millions of boards with that chip so yes it is cheaper Mar 02 20:54:01 the pcb is for gemini only i'd guess Mar 02 20:54:33 has to fit in the physical housing with the connectors Mar 02 20:55:00 yeah - Planet have as much as said the PCB is fully custom - they did the first few spins in the UK before going to production prototype Mar 02 20:55:20 AFAICT the X25 and X27 are footprint compatible with each other and the X20 Mar 02 20:55:52 We should count ourselves lucky we didn't get an X20 :) Mar 02 20:58:06 DaPol2, out of curiosity is there a custom button that can be assigned anything of choice Mar 02 20:58:43 DaPol2, a configurable button that is Mar 02 20:58:45 The Planet button? Mar 02 20:58:56 Don't think so - it's where the "Setup" option lives Mar 02 20:59:05 I was thinking the outside button more Mar 02 20:59:11 No idea Mar 02 20:59:17 One minute Mar 02 20:59:18 :) Mar 02 20:59:23 :) Mar 02 21:00:17 DaPol2, and between did you flash any Linux yet Mar 02 21:00:31 well probably Debian Mar 02 21:02:20 heh - no - not yet, I've only had hands on for about 4 hours Mar 02 21:02:26 and I've been out for most of that :) Mar 02 21:02:36 how could you :P Mar 02 21:03:08 That would be the 4x4 that I left in pieces before I went away for the over-extended work trip, that given the snow we're having I'd really like to be drivable :) Mar 02 21:03:15 DaPol2 : Just out of curiosity, can you do a "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and post the result, also a "dmseg" and post it paste.ee or something ? Mar 02 21:03:36 greguu: If I had access to do so, yeah - don't have a shell at the moment Mar 02 21:03:39 dmesg Mar 02 21:03:50 get one :D Mar 02 21:04:09 processor : 0 Mar 02 21:04:09 vendor_id : GenuineIntel Mar 02 21:04:09 cpu family : 15 Mar 02 21:04:09 model : 6 Mar 02 21:04:09 model name : Common KVM processor Mar 02 21:04:11 stepping : 1 Mar 02 21:04:14 microcode : 0x1 Mar 02 21:04:16 dimes is gonna result a long log :D Mar 02 21:04:16 cpu MHz : 3411.482 Mar 02 21:04:18 https://geminiplanet.com/ Mar 02 21:04:19 cache size : 4096 KB Mar 02 21:04:21 physical id : 0 Mar 02 21:04:24 siblings : 1 Mar 02 21:04:26 core id : 0 Mar 02 21:04:29 cpu cores : 1 Mar 02 21:04:31 apicid : 0 Mar 02 21:04:34 initial apicid : 0 Mar 02 21:04:36 fpu : yes Mar 02 21:04:39 fpu_exception : yes Mar 02 21:04:41 cpuid level : 13 Mar 02 21:04:44 wp : yes Mar 02 21:04:46 flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx lm constant_tsc nopl xtopology pni cx16 x2apic hypervisor lahf_lm Mar 02 21:04:50 bugs : Mar 02 21:04:53 bogomips : 6822.96 Mar 02 21:04:55 clflush size : 64 Mar 02 21:04:57 DaPol2, on the gemini Mar 02 21:04:58 cache_alignment : 128 Mar 02 21:05:00 address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual Mar 02 21:05:03 power management: Mar 02 21:05:05 go to pastebin and paste results Mar 02 21:05:05 :P Mar 02 21:05:08 That's not the Gemini - it's just the only shell I have just now :) Mar 02 21:05:10 :P Mar 02 21:05:55 genuine intel kinda blew it :P Mar 02 21:08:01 steve-marinos: i found a mention about the side button https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/11/gemini_psion_alike_pre_production_prototype_handson/ "The goal is to marry this to Google's voice assistant, so you'll be able to control the device without taking it (too far) out of your pocket, the team hopes." Mar 02 21:08:46 cowboycoder, did you install any terminal ? Mar 02 21:08:56 https://pastebin.com/E50dhZF5 Mar 02 21:09:33 Enjoy :) Mar 02 21:09:36 It's an X25 Mar 02 21:10:41 can you try "cat /proc/kmsg" , possibly need root for that Mar 02 21:12:06 permission denied - and I don't want to frig around with rooting this at the moment Mar 02 21:12:06 akik, yeah i was hoping it would configurable Mar 02 21:12:25 steve-marinos: Nothing in the existing configs to let it be Mar 02 21:12:55 DaPol2, try sudo dmesg Mar 02 21:12:55 or su to see if you can have su privilege Mar 02 21:13:06 greguu, what are you interested in between Mar 02 21:13:07 No sudo installed, no su installed Mar 02 21:13:23 just to see the kernel log from the boot Mar 02 21:14:10 hm root your Gemini :) Mar 02 21:15:05 screw it up burn it down then build again :P Mar 02 21:15:25 greguu: doesn't dmesg show it too? Mar 02 21:15:49 well yes, same as "cat /proc/kmsg" but you need to be root on android or use adb shell Mar 02 21:15:52 akik, it does Mar 02 21:15:58 I can ask TheKit to post the boot log Mar 02 21:16:16 ah he tried but it says permissions denied for dmesg Mar 02 21:16:25 permission Mar 02 21:16:31 greguu, wanna see if the drivers are open source ? Mar 02 21:16:39 he was not root Mar 02 21:16:51 and could not sudo Mar 02 21:16:56 dmesg on linux doesn't need root but it does on that machine Mar 02 21:17:10 droid Mar 02 21:17:52 dmesg is a real mess there anyway Mar 02 21:18:41 NotKit, tell us how open source it is :S kinda curious on the linux part Mar 02 21:19:16 http://developer.planetcom.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=5&pid=6#pid6 - nothing new from that, I fear Mar 02 21:19:58 NotKit : lots of "kernel tainted" log messages ? :) Mar 02 21:20:19 you don't know MediaTek :) Mar 02 21:21:03 https://bpaste.net/show/a10eda26f0fb - like this Mar 02 21:22:16 is that with debug on ? what a beauty Mar 02 21:22:44 no, without Mar 02 21:24:03 NotKit, will postmarketos help to build on the drivers or anything? and what about ubuntu and Debian communities? Mar 02 21:24:48 NotKit, and please let me thank you for your efforts Mar 02 21:25:02 much appreciated Mar 02 21:25:53 I like this entry: [18039.543323] (1)[186:hps_main][HPS] [Info]CPU 3 ++! Mar 02 21:27:18 steve-marinos, well, I think that mostly depends if anyone from those communities is going to get the device and willing to improve on it, but otherwise Linux efforts can be mostly shared Mar 02 21:29:24 NotKit, I was hoping that PC will give some of these communities devs some devices to tinker with since "PC" did announce the 4 Linux distros, so far sailfish is what seems the official one Mar 02 21:29:54 and I was hoping that ubuntu community might find a way to revive their Mobile version Mar 02 21:30:05 it's alive actually Mar 02 21:30:08 look for UBPorts Mar 02 21:30:14 ubuntu? Mar 02 21:30:21 yes Mar 02 21:30:47 I thought they have had it with it Mar 02 21:30:51 supported by community I mean Mar 02 21:31:00 ah i see Mar 02 21:31:24 we need to push the right buttons Mar 02 21:31:45 Now i started to wonder if net hunter "kali" would be something to consider Mar 02 21:32:15 since they already have projects to flash it over android Mar 02 21:32:25 on top that is Mar 02 21:33:04 I didn't see those, but not sure how Kali itself is going to be useful without Wi-Fi monitor mode Mar 02 21:33:31 NotKit, i was hoping they might help with kernel drivers and such Mar 02 21:34:41 NotKit, been a long time i haven't tinker with any Linux distro, so am kinda rusty Mar 02 21:35:06 steve-marinos: yes, I installed a terminal app, Termux Mar 02 21:35:56 cowboycoder, thanks mate NotKit already posted the dmesg log Mar 02 21:36:07 ah, ok Mar 02 21:41:32 actually with both UBPorts and Plasma Mobile we have good chances to get basic functionality working properly eventually, since those are designed to work on mobile devices and utilize libhybris Mar 02 21:47:16 NotKit, so you are gonna use Android drivers Mar 02 21:47:55 no better choice to get it working Mar 02 21:48:04 at least for the moment Mar 02 21:48:51 Do you think mediated might provide PC with the drivers? any chance ? Mar 02 21:49:20 * Noodles waves from his Gemini. Mar 02 21:50:03 Noodles, hello Mar 02 21:50:21 steve-marinos, waves back Mar 02 21:50:26 NotKit: I'm a Debian guy btw. Mar 02 21:50:37 Noodles, cool Mar 02 21:50:56 Noodles, did you already flash Debian? Mar 02 21:51:13 Not yet. Only powered this thing up this evening. Mar 02 21:51:36 steve-marinos, I doubt MediaTek has ready Linux drivers to provide :) Mar 02 21:51:53 Need to take a backup and see how bad the Debian image is. Seems like it's all on the Android kernel at preseb Mar 02 21:52:07 yes Mar 02 21:52:46 NotKit, very reassuring lol Mar 02 21:52:56 Your git repos seem to be the publicly available stuff NotKit. Mar 02 21:53:12 Tried updating to latest 3.18 at all? Mar 02 21:53:52 no, although it should be possible Mar 02 21:53:54 steve-marinos, wonders why did PC choose Mediatek and decided to dual boot linux based on that :) Mar 02 21:55:34 there is Acer R13 Chromebook with 3.18 kernel as well though, but with PowerVR GPU unfortunately Mar 02 21:58:48 NotKit, I have an old thinkpad and an external SD that I used to boot Linux from it, is there a possible way I can help Mar 02 22:01:20 then maybe not, we need the right HW Mar 02 22:02:04 depends on what you want to do Mar 02 22:03:17 whatever I can help you with if it is compatible to what you need Mar 02 22:04:46 what would be the right HW to work with beside the Gemini Mar 02 22:08:24 you can check https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki by the way Mar 02 22:09:28 adam_b did a huge job on it Mar 02 22:10:46 if you mean HW adaptation, then I fear the closest would be other devices with MediaTek arm64 SoC Mar 02 22:11:04 for apps anything should suit Mar 02 22:17:09 NotKit, ok I checked the GitHub, looks interesting tomorrow I will download debian image and install on the SD and see how i can help Mar 02 22:18:02 do we know and device that have the required HW and that is cheap? Mar 02 22:23:51 better wait for Gemini in that regard Mar 02 22:24:11 Android phones are terrible in terms of compatibility (each device has its own quirks) Mar 02 22:29:09 NotKit, i was thinking of any compatible device even a notebook as long as it doesn't break the bank Mar 02 22:29:22 it will be my mess around device Mar 02 22:31:32 Looking at AliExpress, X25 based devices start at the $200 mark Mar 02 22:31:34 Apollo Vernee Lite has Helio X20 Mar 02 22:31:53 and kernel sources/AOSP tree Mar 02 22:32:27 X20 based ones start at about $90 for the Doogee F7 Mar 02 22:32:45 also there is LeeEco Le 2 Pro x625 with X25 Mar 02 22:32:51 *LeEco Mar 02 22:33:47 but again, the problem is that those are similar, not the same (e. g. to run Gemini images without modifications) Mar 02 22:37:32 https://github.com/graineeg/android_kernel_vernee_apollo_lite/blob/o-8.1.0/Makefile - this is 3.18.89 btw Mar 02 22:38:57 are there any helio based laptops? Mar 02 22:40:05 my gemini is in anchorage alaska Mar 02 22:40:06 Anchorage, AK, United States 03/02/2018 1:05 P.M. Arrival Scan Mar 02 22:41:01 not Helio, but Acer Chromebook R13, Lenovo Flex 11 Chromebook and N23 Yoga Chromebook have MediaTek M8173C Mar 02 23:09:13