**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 03 03:00:01 2018 Mar 03 07:25:15 good morning Geminyers Mar 03 07:25:49 I was wondering if any dual booted linux already Mar 03 08:17:26 so are the bubbles beginning to burst now that devices are being delivered? or is this v1 teething problems do you guys think? Mar 03 08:17:55 i have been travelling a few days so haven't kept up with events but now i see hardware issues and wrong CPU issues i am slightly horrified Mar 03 08:18:12 are we all still hanging in there? Mar 03 08:18:51 I hope so, the slower SoC is the least of my worries Mar 03 08:19:09 mine is 30xx range so i will probably dodge the first batch issues Mar 03 08:19:40 but generally speaking, the morale is pretty bad if you look at the comments here in the chat and on the indigogo page Mar 03 08:20:01 yes Mar 03 08:20:06 i saw that Mar 03 08:20:19 quite a few backed the device when the x25 was promoted, so what, I would not complain .. Mar 03 08:20:33 it is a crowdfunded device in the end Mar 03 08:20:46 the software support is what needs more attention than a few cpu cyles Mar 03 08:20:58 yes im not too bothered by that but the fact it slipped through is very concerning Mar 03 08:21:30 greguu, ja but i knew already that the software was over promised and would more than likely be under delivered Mar 03 08:22:21 well, someone may have loaded an pcb feeder with the last stock pile of x25's by mistake..but maybe better to wait for an offical statement. Shit happens Mar 03 08:24:20 it could be just due to bad communication, the original order was for x25's so, the manufacturer may messed it up Mar 03 08:24:22 fakefur, yesterday I though if you were here would be very disappointed Mar 03 08:25:14 a-steve, im on vacation in cape town and durban for a month so i don't really care about much right now since it's warm sunny and beach weather :) Mar 03 08:25:26 if i were still in berlin in -15C i would care more Mar 03 08:25:58 but this is something i thought was going to happen from the back-peddling on the software front Mar 03 08:26:18 they cannot possibly deliver what they implied as promised for linux etc Mar 03 08:26:19 what back-peddling ? Mar 03 08:26:33 what promises ? Mar 03 08:26:44 "android and linux pda" Mar 03 08:26:52 implies both work and are supported Mar 03 08:26:56 this will not be so Mar 03 08:27:56 sorry, anyone with some insight would have know from the beginning that the linux porting would be not straightforward Mar 03 08:28:04 known Mar 03 08:28:21 yes i was going to say that just now but i did hope for hardware support so we could do the porting Mar 03 08:28:47 this is more complex than that. Mar 03 08:28:56 now that we see the actual production issues it shows they are more than swamped with the device itself Mar 03 08:28:57 Some things take time Mar 03 08:28:59 fakefur, can you help TheKit[m] he is trying to work on it Mar 03 08:29:06 the software will take far far longer Mar 03 08:29:36 a startup and crowdfunding project can not deliver all at go live. The opensource community should know that and be patient Mar 03 08:29:37 a-steve, i willl of course but like i have said ad nauseaum... it all about the hardware drivers Mar 03 08:29:56 greguu, yes of course but the production quality issues are cocerning Mar 03 08:30:04 concerning Mar 03 08:30:12 fakefur, do you think mediatek might give PC the drivers? Mar 03 08:30:18 anyways lets see what happens going forward Mar 03 08:30:44 a-steve, i dont think there is a snowball chance in hell tbh but i hope hope hope i am dead wrong on that Mar 03 08:30:50 i think for PC it was all overwhelming and they simply could not keep up Mar 03 08:30:56 a-steve, yes Mar 03 08:30:57 well, I guess PC is making their first hand experience on how to deal with and manage manufacturers. Mar 03 08:31:10 greguu, yes it is a massive learning curve Mar 03 08:31:43 anyways guys i'm off to the beach but will keep checking in on status updates - i am very curious about how the 2nd batch turn out Mar 03 08:31:46 and those events as much as they did them good for publicity they had to lack somewhere else Mar 03 08:32:12 give them some credit, they started it, they made it happen, some shit goes with it. People are still backing, even after the x25 issue came up Mar 03 08:32:12 QC though is worse place to lack at Mar 03 08:32:35 100mhz less, come on, the software is what counts Mar 03 08:32:37 greguu, yes i do and i realize what an achievment they have pulled off BUT... Mar 03 08:32:46 greguu, yeah it is somehow passable so far, but then maybe because it did not reach me yet Mar 03 08:32:52 Turning it around in 12 months is a real acheivement Mar 03 08:32:59 we didn't invest in a learning curve for a bunch of guys Mar 03 08:33:09 we invested in a device that would be everyday functional Mar 03 08:33:15 that's the hard truth Mar 03 08:33:18 look, I have backed other crowfunded projects before, the Jolla Tablet for example, it was way worse.. Mar 03 08:33:22 it is everyday functional Mar 03 08:33:30 keys misaligned? Mar 03 08:33:34 broken usb ports Mar 03 08:33:35 ? Mar 03 08:33:42 wrong keyboards? Mar 03 08:33:49 and, most crowdfunded HW projects, you really are investing in their learning curve Mar 03 08:34:10 yeah QC need a more attention now that there are reports of all these issues Mar 03 08:34:12 THEcowboycoder, i am order 30xx so i will probably miss all the initial drama Mar 03 08:34:12 well if you do not have someone at the production line to do Q&A.. Mar 03 08:34:19 mind the X25 Mar 03 08:34:36 fakefur: they seem to be individual problems, not the whole batch Mar 03 08:34:53 so searate out the achievment they have managed - which i fully applaud them for - and the device i wanted to have delivered Mar 03 08:34:59 those are 2 diff things Mar 03 08:35:08 THEcowboycoder, yes im hoping so Mar 03 08:35:17 THEcowboycoder, yes but given the people that received the device it is a lot to be honest and bad as these were very early backers Mar 03 08:35:27 mine seems to be fine :) Mar 03 08:35:32 really? Mar 03 08:35:37 awesome!! Mar 03 08:35:39 there is no statement yet on how many units were produced with the x25 Mar 03 08:35:53 i dont see how threy will remedy those either tbh Mar 03 08:35:55 it's what I'm using now Mar 03 08:36:01 greguu, am thinking the whole first batch Mar 03 08:36:06 i cant see the factory taking the hit to remake them Mar 03 08:36:10 also, again, many of the early backers contributed while the x25 was part of the specs Mar 03 08:36:27 greguu, yes legally and technically so but it leaves a bad taste Mar 03 08:36:48 greguu, so true but they were promised a better upgrade before the production Mar 03 08:36:57 look it is not apple or microsoft, it is crowdfunding and startups Mar 03 08:37:03 i always pull back when people start using the meaning of words or expressions in ways that aren't how we all know most people take them Mar 03 08:37:14 actually tbh they are trying harder than apple Mar 03 08:37:21 so they can dodge implied promises Mar 03 08:37:34 * fakefur shrugs Mar 03 08:37:35 yes, give them some credit, it is hard enough to stand out and make something like this happen Mar 03 08:37:46 it is what it is and we will make what we can of them Mar 03 08:37:47 fakefur, twisted publicity Mar 03 08:38:23 also, it is clear that the community will drive this to its fullest (Software wise). so give it a chance Mar 03 08:38:52 if i sell you a cat that can drive roads and go under water, would you be happy if the "go underwatewr" bit was "and drive it into a river" ? Mar 03 08:39:07 no of course not Mar 03 08:39:08 greguu, if the community built around it is what it was back in the days of N900 am sure we will love the outcomes Mar 03 08:39:14 but legally i have met my promises Mar 03 08:39:31 a-steve, yes with the hardware drivers Mar 03 08:39:38 a-steve: look at the Zaurus, older than the N9 and N900, still active and supported Mar 03 08:39:45 anyways great chatting guys - gotta go :) Mar 03 08:40:14 fakefur, yeah, seems TheKit[m] is working on porting android drivers Mar 03 08:40:49 wish i can help in the development part Mar 03 08:43:15 there is a lot to do, it will take time. Once more developers received their untis, it may pick up on speed. Mar 03 08:44:26 greguu, so true and specially that even the ones that can help haven't got a unit to work with Mar 03 08:50:31 well, yes, even I was suprised that some developer units do exist. I think PC should have advertised that more clearly. I emailed them some months ago about that. Mar 03 08:52:11 but I agree, PC needs to make a proper statement to all the backers affected soon. They should not ignore this. Mar 03 08:55:30 and as commented on the indigogo site by someone, the x25 units may become collector items one day. So stay positive :) lol Mar 03 09:02:50 greguu, lol Mar 03 09:04:00 well, nothing better than some positive spirit Mar 03 09:04:57 greguu, to be honest and being selfish here, am glad I was a last minute backer Mar 03 09:05:51 well, be carefull, just think if this all goes pear shaped now.. Mar 03 09:06:26 I would have been very angry if my device came with defective parts mentioned by the backers specially after a long time wait Mar 03 09:07:30 it is all speculation at this point, so I can not comment, lets give PC a chance to comment on this fiasco Mar 03 09:08:37 greguu, so true, on the other hand my iPad is acting weirdly hope it is not a screen issue Mar 03 09:08:47 this is off topic. Mar 03 09:08:49 :) Mar 03 09:09:33 greguu, so true, to be honest I think apple was much worse this year than PC on the other hand PC is making the best with the time they have and few people working on their project Mar 03 09:09:38 well done PC Mar 03 09:09:46 for me you beat apple by far Mar 03 09:10:04 see what i did here i was back to topic right away Mar 03 09:10:06 :P Mar 03 09:12:02 greguu: ping? Mar 03 09:12:04 * greguu is not affiliated with Planet Computers in any way Mar 03 09:12:12 novaldex : pong Mar 03 09:12:33 novaldex : many thanks for you support to get the log bot going! ka6sox praised you highly Mar 03 09:13:02 thanks! I was just about to let you know all was good & setup with it Mar 03 09:13:10 nice to hear he's been saying that.. Mar 03 09:13:13 yes, working fine since early today Mar 03 09:13:27 well, we all say that about each other, don't we ? Mar 03 09:13:34 i've just been checking the latest rotated file, made some changes to the process last night Mar 03 09:13:41 I sure hope so ;-) Mar 03 09:14:16 great, works fine. Thanks for the support, much appreciated.. Mar 03 09:14:44 anytime.. i'm here of my own accord as well, but if you need to ping me, ka6sox & I are in quite different timezones Mar 03 09:14:52 well, ask me Mar 03 09:15:01 I am way off Mar 03 09:15:04 NZST Mar 03 09:15:25 but good to know Mar 03 09:15:28 definitely far out there! Mar 03 09:16:08 if they used a slightly different shade of grey for the shells in the next batch, that would improve the chances of the first batch becoming collectors items :) $$$ Mar 03 09:16:26 I may meet ka6sox at the LCA next year in NZ Mar 03 09:17:07 the guy sure gets around! Mar 03 09:32:47 novaldex: well, have a holiday, come over to NZ for the LCA, too. ka6sox reminded me. So lets bang the drum for lca2019.linux.org.au Mar 03 09:33:31 *the southern hemisphere needs our support Mar 03 09:33:59 it think the right saying is beat the drum.. lol Mar 03 09:34:37 I agree too, it's the right saying.. cheers, i'm reading up already Mar 03 09:46:07 hi im giri Mar 03 09:46:07 asl? Mar 03 09:46:07 hii Mar 03 09:46:07 * peroni has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) Mar 03 09:46:08 hi agni Mar 03 09:46:10 girija, this is ubuntu support not chatter Mar 03 09:46:12 how can i search user Mar 03 09:46:14 agnipanda, try asking that in #freenode Mar 03 09:46:16 * girija has quit (Client Quit) Mar 03 09:46:18 the hell is this, AOL? Mar 03 09:46:25 LMFAO Mar 03 09:46:58 novaldex: I asked ka6sox already, but if you know some that are still working with IPX4xx please let me know. I got some project for a Watchguard XTM21/22 and need some support. Mar 03 09:47:39 steve-marinos: ?? Mar 03 09:47:41 guys do you know any tablets that run/support linux GNU Mar 03 09:48:19 this chatter happened at ubuntu chatter, the AOL part made me crack... greguu Mar 03 09:52:20 man, steve-marinos you are a hard case Mar 03 09:53:11 greguu, lol ... I guess :P Mar 03 10:10:27 greguu: no one that I can think of, but shall bear it in mind for you Mar 03 10:18:22 * greguu is lightening up the "situation" by listening to: Warez Waldo - Dream Sequencer Mar 03 10:20:08 novaldex|away : no worries mate Mar 03 10:31:50 Hey guys! Mar 03 10:32:17 Someone mentioned earlier support for Ubuntu on the Gemini and I want to add something Mar 03 10:32:38 well, feel free to speak your mind Mar 03 10:33:11 When I met PC in Dubai last year, they didn't seem to keen on Ubuntu and were cryptic about "an alternative OS" Mar 03 10:33:26 I'm lead to beleive that this is Sailfish OS Mar 03 10:34:09 GL1TCH: you would be right Mar 03 10:34:21 sailfish x Mar 03 10:34:54 Sailfish X is for SONY devices only Mar 03 10:35:12 nope Mar 03 10:35:18 Sony buying PC ? Mar 03 10:36:07 so easy to bring rumours into the world Mar 03 10:36:19 I thought I should mention this in case someone was waiting on Ubuntu support (I dont see it as likely) Mar 03 10:36:24 Jolla announce support for Sailfish OS 3 for the Gemini PDA, this is in the future, jet to be done Mar 03 10:36:58 ok i may have understood wrong Mar 03 10:37:27 greguu: yes! They even have a photo of the Gemini on Jolla website Mar 03 10:38:16 this is marketing, nothing is ready as we speek, but Jolla supporting the Gemini PDA is good news Mar 03 10:38:40 Agreed Mar 03 10:39:06 I have to say, I don't understand what the Sailfish thing really brings to the party. They've said that Android is the main event. What's the play? Mar 03 10:40:55 jeffers[m]: Sailfish OS will bring an alternative OS , with full 4G and Voice capablities Mar 03 10:40:57 jeffers: linux Mar 03 10:42:26 Kero: Linux, yes, but that is available in Android already. Sailfish OS is an alternative, more open than Android but not 100% Mar 03 10:43:31 the question is if Sailfish OS will be the community version or the offical supported one... this question has not yet been answered by PC or Jolla Mar 03 10:44:21 greguu: should I say 'GNU/Linux' ? Mar 03 10:44:24 * Kero hides Mar 03 10:44:24 but the marketing by Jolla, seems to suggest that it may be offical Mar 03 10:44:59 I have a feeling PR plays into it Mar 03 10:45:10 Sailfish OS also does use libhybrid. so we can not call it a pure libre linux Mar 03 10:45:54 jeffers[m]: valid point, I may be just a PR stunt.. but lets hope not Mar 03 10:46:02 Right at the outset, they had quite a lot of people suggesting that SailfishOS should be one of the supported OSes, so they've responded to that. Mar 03 10:46:31 It's effectively a write-in candidate. :) Mar 03 10:46:39 yes, that is true Mar 03 10:47:34 so no surprise Mar 03 10:47:51 IF you want to do linux on a phone THEN sailfish/maemo/etc are your best options Mar 03 10:48:16 Isn't plasma mobile using libhybris too? Mar 03 10:48:18 of course, Jolla has some nokia people who liked the N900, there's another reason for the combination Mar 03 10:48:25 but Sailfish OS 3 is not yet available Mar 03 10:50:02 * Kero just wants his Gemini to start hacking on the kernel Mar 03 10:50:20 pasted before, but anyway : https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Partner_press_release_Planet_Computers.pdf?x39789 Mar 03 10:50:21 the more the merrier; if jolla helps, wonderful Mar 03 10:53:47 jeffers[m]: yes, many adoptions use libhybrid, including KDE Plamsa Mar 03 10:54:06 Plasma Mar 03 10:54:46 libhybrid itself is not an issue, but is is just a workaround Mar 03 10:56:54 the android version for the gemini will be stuck at Nougat forever. Unless the kernel is ported to a newer version, same for linux Mar 03 11:00:20 Much like with unsupported Android devices Mar 03 11:01:25 most Android devices are unsupporte after their go live. It is a sell, dump and forget industry Mar 03 11:02:15 There is some hope that PC and the community will not let this happen to the Gemini Mar 03 11:04:02 but this will the need the support of the backers, developers and quite a bit of patience! Mar 03 11:04:14 Yes. I do wonder though that the people who wished for a more open device wouldn't have been better supporting the purism phone, although that's not a keyboard device. Mar 03 11:04:42 * Kero bought the wifi-only Gemini Mar 03 11:04:51 well, there is no room for this kind of speculation. People supported what they liked.. Mar 03 11:05:27 * greguu opted for the 4G add-on perk once Jolla announced support for Sailfish OS3 Mar 03 11:06:39 yes - ideally things will slowly become more open but very slowly probably Mar 03 11:08:30 I can understand that some backers may did not have a understanding of the complex nature of Android kernels, but for "real" open source enthusiasts this all should be no surprise Mar 03 11:09:52 lets stay on the positive side Mar 03 11:11:18 Yes, it wasn't long ago that things like libhybris didn't exist. Much more to come Mar 03 11:13:30 don't get me wrong. I would really like a pure linux on the gemini, but PC did not break their promise - even if the linux depends on an Android kernel and lybhibris. Mar 03 11:14:22 and, maybe in a year or so we can run 4.14 or higher .. but it will take quite some effort and time Mar 03 11:14:48 if not, you can use your gemini as a doormouse or paperweight.. Mar 03 11:15:35 ;) Mar 03 11:20:41 THEcowboycoder : how is yours going so far? Have you tried the debian yet ? Mar 03 11:29:13 no, not yet Mar 03 11:29:40 overall experience ? Mar 03 11:29:44 so far? Mar 03 11:30:03 not bad, definite v1 feel Mar 03 11:30:37 worst thing is there are two clear UXs competing. Android has developed far too long without keyboards Mar 03 11:31:06 so, for instance if you open some apps with text entry fields, the firt Mar 03 11:31:11 this is very true, and Android has still to catch up with landscape displays Mar 03 11:31:30 the first one isn't always focussed, so you need to tap the screen Mar 03 11:31:51 so, but that is an software issue Mar 03 11:32:09 also, been used to using meego for too long. I keep trying to swipe apps into the background :) Mar 03 11:32:13 any hardare issues you noticed ? Mar 03 11:32:15 older android phones like relay 4g and droid 4 have no problems with landscape Mar 03 11:32:29 no, nothing major Mar 03 11:32:35 some separate apps do have Mar 03 11:32:49 keybd seems nice, a bit 'sticky', but it's new Mar 03 11:33:13 how does the space bar perform Mar 03 11:33:15 ? Mar 03 11:33:22 it's ok Mar 03 11:33:40 do you use thumbs or all fingers ? Mar 03 11:33:40 it's stickier towards the edges, but seems to be fine Mar 03 11:34:15 both, when typing on a flat surface. thumbs on.y when i'm just holding it Mar 03 11:34:19 so the sensor is only in the middle and no springs on the sides ? Mar 03 11:34:45 for the space bar Mar 03 11:35:03 i imagine it's built like most keybd space bars Mar 03 11:35:25 central button and a bar hinged at the ends Mar 03 11:36:07 ok, but can you press space on the far end of the button. does it trigger a space ? Mar 03 11:36:47 yeah, it does, but you have to press it fully down Mar 03 11:36:48 far end either side Mar 03 11:36:59 well that is fair enough Mar 03 11:37:36 I did a side by side comparison with my old 5mx yesterday, and the feel of the keys isn't that much different Mar 03 11:37:47 how is the travel distance, short ? Mar 03 11:37:50 given the 5mx is well used, and this is new Mar 03 11:37:54 for the keyboard Mar 03 11:37:57 buttons Mar 03 11:38:03 a couple of mm Mar 03 11:38:12 you get a nice 'click' Mar 03 11:38:47 but not the IBM Model M click I suppose :) Mar 03 11:39:05 lol, wouldnt that be great Mar 03 11:39:42 don't remember that one Mar 03 11:39:58 well, that may be before your time.. no offence Mar 03 11:40:08 :D unlikely Mar 03 11:44:04 Sadly, the buckling spring mechanism takes up too much space to be used in anything small. :( Mar 03 11:44:15 (I'm typing on a 1988 Model M right now) Mar 03 11:45:06 IIRC, there's a project somewhere trying to produce a thin buckling-spring mechanism, but I don't think they've got anything much worth using right now. Mar 03 11:52:01 that 'click' in an otherwise silent library, can it be switched off, or is it HW? Mar 03 11:53:22 or is the amount of sound on the order of what any recent laptop keyboard makes when typing? Mar 03 11:54:30 darkling: IBM Model M is great, but there are some really great ALPS based keyboards too: I have this one (bad video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nSTZSAZUbc Mar 03 11:54:49 but you can hear the click :) Mar 03 11:56:23 they are best when nicotine stained.. nice colour Mar 03 11:56:32 lol Mar 03 11:56:32 ROFL. Mar 03 11:59:01 look at 4:28 , he is trying hard to get the lid hinge off Mar 03 11:59:09 lol Mar 03 11:59:16 but great keyboard Mar 03 12:00:32 still works with some soldering and PS2 to USB adapter (the right one) Mar 03 12:00:57 it even features XT mode, same as the IBM model M Mar 03 12:01:23 There's a company that still makes the buckling spring keyboards. I think they bought the design rights from IBM -- they're the same styling, but some of them are a smaller footprint. Mar 03 12:01:25 for those who know what XT keyboards are Mar 03 12:01:58 So you get the extra Windows/Menu keys, USB interface. Even a trackpoint on some models. Mar 03 12:01:59 buckling spring is great, but ALPS was as good. Mar 03 12:02:37 with LEDs and stuff. no thank you Mar 03 12:03:43 https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34360.0 Mar 03 12:05:07 there's 3 'click's on the keyboard. there's the HW click - the actual key moving, there's the Android key click sound, and this is accompanied by a short buzz of vibration Mar 03 12:05:25 if you hold a key down, that changes to a constant buzz Mar 03 12:05:59 I'd expect you can turn of the noise and vibration, but even then you'll still here the keys clicking Mar 03 12:06:10 s/here/hear Mar 03 12:06:22 thats great Mar 03 12:06:25 the HW sound Mar 03 12:06:52 * greguu loves it Mar 03 12:07:13 there's some japanese person commenting on twitter about the keyboard "rattling" https://twitter.com/nyamma/status/969610727659945984 Mar 03 12:07:20 THEcowboycoder: lol...you are a real coder - using regexp vi-like replacements in your chat... Mar 03 12:07:39 :D Mar 03 12:09:19 canny[m] it was common to use like s/correct/mistake in IRC and other chats .. back in the days Mar 03 12:10:04 There's at least one chat client out there that actually does the correction in the history for you. Mar 03 12:10:18 Not sure it's for IRC, though. Possibly Skype? Mar 03 12:10:22 ah, you are talking new stuff Mar 03 12:11:21 Skype ? WTF Mar 03 12:12:14 I know I've encountered it somewhere, and I haven't used that many chat systems (I'm mostly on IRC)... Mar 03 12:12:15 nowadays most do not understand if you correct using /s Mar 03 12:12:50 So that Japanese GEmini owner put a rubber strip on the bottom to eliminate keyboard rattling Mar 03 12:13:04 must be earhquakes Mar 03 12:13:05 Something to watch for Mar 03 12:13:29 That sounds like they've put it on a hard surface, and the buzzer is causing the case to rattle against the desk. Mar 03 12:13:31 lol Mar 03 12:13:40 s/earthquakes/earhquakes Mar 03 12:13:40 the leather wallet makes a nice mat to sit it on Mar 03 12:13:49 gojira comes for your gemini Mar 03 12:14:32 they've got a GPD too Mar 03 12:15:01 well, according to the world map posted by PC, quite a significant amount of Gemini were sold to JP Mar 03 12:15:15 GPD? Mar 03 12:15:30 not surprising, considering the success of the Zaurus in JP Mar 03 12:16:07 small hw lybd devices have always been popular in jpn Mar 03 12:16:30 and way before we knew about them Mar 03 12:16:31 darkling: gpd win. it's a small clam shell with win10 and you can install linux Mar 03 12:16:40 Ah, right. Never heard of that one. :) Mar 03 12:18:15 somebody is saying his usb-c hdmi output is not working at http://developer.planetcom.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=14 Mar 03 12:18:40 not actually tried mine yet Mar 03 12:19:40 there is actually HDMO support on the SoC, but just not socket solderd to the PCA Mar 03 12:19:49 s/HDMI/HDMO Mar 03 12:20:30 s/soldered/solderd Mar 03 12:20:52 lol Mar 03 12:21:07 greguu: is that something extra to the usb-c hdmi? Mar 03 12:21:29 no Mar 03 12:22:01 the USB C adapter is the "official" way to get HDMI output Mar 03 12:22:35 but the SoC can do HDMI, PC just did not bother about getting a mini HDMI port on the PCA Mar 03 12:22:53 oh well maybe in the next version Mar 03 12:23:31 yes, good attitude. Think forward & positive :) Mar 03 12:23:41 what about chromecast? doesn't that make things a bit easier? Mar 03 12:24:28 I can not comment on that really, but this may be just a softeare solution within android :) Mar 03 12:24:44 I think the issue of not having out of the box hdmi was cost of the licence Mar 03 12:24:57 s/software/softeare Mar 03 12:25:17 just tried my C-HDMI adapter... doesn't seem to work :( Mar 03 12:25:37 * greguu is getting tired of correcting dyslexia Mar 03 12:26:35 not sure it is a license issue, the hardware has the support for it Mar 03 12:27:07 you have to pay to say 'hdmi' on the product box Mar 03 12:27:20 like USB and Bluetooth, and WiFi Mar 03 12:27:44 true, but they do that for USB, WiFI and BT ? Mar 03 12:28:14 I'm guessing PC initially thought HDMI was included in the quote whoever built this gave them Mar 03 12:28:21 and it turned out not to be Mar 03 12:28:51 they couldn't ship without USB/WiFi or BT Mar 03 12:29:44 THEcowboycoder: did you try restarting the gemini while having the cable connected? Mar 03 12:29:54 no, i didn't Mar 03 12:30:24 there's a HDMI on/off switch buried in the settings, but that didn't seem to do anything Mar 03 12:31:51 looking at the boot log today, the unit does init HDMI, there is just no connector Mar 03 12:32:53 maybe you can solder one Mar 03 12:34:42 NotKit can shed some light on this maybe Mar 03 12:39:11 THEcowboycoder: if it does not work, please comment on the thread on OSEF.org/forums Mar 03 12:39:44 yeah, I will do Mar 03 12:40:22 make sure you use OESF.org/forum Mar 03 12:41:12 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34734 Mar 03 12:41:26 this post deals with the same issue maybe ? Mar 03 12:41:29 i think for dvi you needed to have the cable connected while powerup, otherwise it wouldn't work in linux Mar 03 12:41:44 really. Mar 03 12:41:47 ? Mar 03 12:42:03 everything is possible with new hw :) Mar 03 12:42:23 ,,?.. Aliens ? Gremlins ? Mar 03 12:42:38 lack of QC Mar 03 12:43:04 someone tried the adapters before they were shipped right? right?? Mar 03 12:44:16 there are some reports that some "generic" USB C chargers do no work. Mar 03 12:44:52 but I would take this with a grain of salt. Mar 03 12:45:28 there are some requirements for the voltage.. Mar 03 12:46:03 but USB C is supposed to be a standard. Mar 03 12:46:33 some standards are Mar 03 12:46:44 more standard then others Mar 03 12:47:20 (sun glasses) Mar 03 12:47:47 I know, we are very bright Mar 03 12:47:50 lol Mar 03 13:06:25 USB C to HDMI should work, it was done for demostration on MWC Mar 03 13:06:44 (in Android) Mar 03 13:06:54 plug n play ? Mar 03 13:06:55 maybe it was a demo effect Mar 03 13:07:39 well, maybe the TV's are crap ... Mar 03 13:08:24 plug n play + enable in status bar Mar 03 13:08:44 hey NotKit, will you come to lca2019.linux.org.au ? :) Mar 03 13:09:04 I can offer some shelter :) Mar 03 13:09:16 2019? no idea :) Mar 03 13:09:33 but Australia is far away, lol Mar 03 13:09:43 it is actually in NZ Mar 03 13:09:48 Christchurch Mar 03 13:10:43 if you port gemini kernel to 4.4 I buy you the ticket Mar 03 13:10:49 lol Mar 03 13:12:02 and kexecboot.. I sponsor it Mar 03 13:13:55 it's actually weird Mar 03 13:14:29 yes, life is weird sometimes Mar 03 13:14:36 MediaTek seems to provide Oreo for x20/x25, but with still 3.18 kernel Mar 03 13:14:46 yes, I saw that Mar 03 13:14:47 while for P20/P23 they have Oreo with 4.4 Mar 03 13:14:49 no 4.x Mar 03 13:15:23 other vendors are suffering the same fate Mar 03 13:15:56 Meizu used to opensource their kernels Mar 03 13:16:02 but not for Pro6 Mar 03 13:16:20 also x25 Mar 03 13:17:20 there is no 4.x kernel for x20 so far Mar 03 13:22:07 NotKit : any luck with that UART cable ? Mar 03 13:22:23 not a priority for the moment Mar 03 13:22:36 ah, come on Mar 03 13:22:52