**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 04 03:00:02 2018 Mar 04 03:10:19 there are few more patches : http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mediatek/2017-July/009499.html and http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mediatek/2018-January/011844.html Mar 04 03:11:11 then it gets quiet on the linux-mediatek mailing list in regards to MT6797 Mar 04 03:37:36 hm, I think these patches have been already mentioned on the OESF forum. A few of them made it into mainline even. Mar 04 03:38:00 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34744 Mar 04 03:38:09 so no news really :/ Mar 04 08:31:55 greguu: I've moved the keyboards info on the wiki to its own page and added some thoughts on F keys, I suspect that ctrl-1 etc is likely to be used in some legacy apps already? Mar 04 08:32:07 https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/KeyboardMappings Mar 04 09:16:31 hello Mar 04 09:16:40 hello Mar 04 09:18:52 hi Mar 04 09:19:21 Greetings, Earth People... Mar 04 09:32:09 i'm looking to sell a gemini pda (UK located) if anyone is interested Mar 04 09:32:45 completely new condition, box never opened Mar 04 09:36:33 I'd imagine most of the folks in here have a Gemini on order, or have received theirs already....I'm curious DryEagle - why are you selling yours? Is it not what you envisaged? Mar 04 09:37:59 in the year that's gone by since i pre-ordered it, some new phones have come out that i'm much more interested in. and i don't have infinite money. Mar 04 09:39:01 plus the way the specs have been downgraded since the original funding campaign, it's just not interesting to me anymore Mar 04 09:39:17 so i thought i'd see if anyone on the forums/chat wants to buy it direct before i go put it on ebay Mar 04 09:40:09 Fair enough! Hope you find a buyer in here. I have one on order, but don't imagine it will arrive before Easter on the second batch.... Mar 04 09:40:46 and you are of course correct, most folk here have one on order, i don't doubt. but i also think, maybe they have some tech friends who don't, and would like one... Mar 04 09:42:32 If I wasn't out of pocket for one already, I'd consider it myself! (the wait is killing me!) Mar 04 09:50:40 DryEagle: where in the UK are you based? Mar 04 10:02:20 south coast, why? Mar 04 10:05:09 Oh boy QC strike again, beside the usual keyboard, compass, USB thing, Network, CPU etc ... a backer on indiegogo mentioned missing screws ... Mar 04 10:08:49 https://imgur.com/a/lLsaE Mar 04 10:48:11 is fleabay still the go-to place for selling this kind of thing? Mar 04 10:57:44 jeffers[m], I don't know, never hear of it Mar 04 10:57:58 why are you planing on selling yours :D Mar 04 10:58:01 you know, ebay Mar 04 10:58:13 yeap Mar 04 10:58:25 No, I don't plan on selling mine Mar 04 11:00:08 jeffers[m], want me to sell mine then :P Mar 04 11:00:52 haha. There was that backer in Germany too selling before receipt too wasn't there? Mar 04 11:01:16 Yeah someone in here mentioned he want to sell his Mar 04 11:01:19 DryEagle: ebay it Mar 04 11:01:35 Myself I'm wondering what kind of case to make Mar 04 11:02:20 PC should start working on the QC in the upcoming batches Mar 04 11:02:45 jeffers[m]: 3d printed case? Mar 04 11:03:10 No, I'll be making a leather case that's a bit less drab than the planet one Mar 04 11:09:41 yea, i will put it on ebay in a week, thought i might avoid the fees etc by going direct Mar 04 11:10:11 as for why... mostly just cause in the year since i backed, other devices have come out that i'd much rather have. Mar 04 11:10:36 DryEagle: what are you going to get? Mar 04 11:12:24 DryEagle, am interested too, A Pyra maybe :P Mar 04 11:13:07 To be honest I never backed this project for android, android is kinda granted, Mar 04 11:14:06 and I was always and IOS user, up till this year, lets say apple is not living up to a certain standard lately, and their IPX was the most disappointing thing for me ever Mar 04 11:14:42 i backed this project 100% because of the qwerty Mar 04 11:14:46 steve-marinos: You can have a couple of geminis for the IPX price Mar 04 11:15:21 i'm actually looking at the lg v30 and it's ticking more boxes for me. especially as fully working linux on the gemini is still a far away future dream at this point Mar 04 11:15:47 or the s8 and just use dex Mar 04 11:15:49 I bet the percentage of backers who used to or still have PSIONS is sky high Mar 04 11:16:00 both aren't so far off the price Mar 04 11:16:28 the keyboard was of course a big attractor, but for me the bigger selling point was 8k mah battery, which turned out to be a lie Mar 04 11:16:53 and since the keyboard isn't really integrated and not supported by everything... the device just isn't quite what i hoped to justify the price Mar 04 11:17:07 yeah, the non-switchable battery bit was also a big let down Mar 04 11:17:18 jeffers[m]: there have been quite a few android qwertys between 2008-2012 also Mar 04 11:17:23 i've backed many projects on kickstarter and this was the first one that couldn't match the promises Mar 04 11:20:33 The qwerty is a nice add on, but why the s8 or lgv30, get the google pixel 2 xl and there is soon the s9 Mar 04 11:21:17 am always in doubts when it comes to lg Mar 04 11:21:29 I'm quite not sure why people consider qwerty add on and Gemini as just another smartphone :) Mar 04 11:21:37 *qwerty as add-on Mar 04 11:22:08 not in the sense you are or we are putting it Mar 04 11:22:28 TheKit: You mean like the people who just say "why not just get a bluetooth keyboard"? Mar 04 11:22:28 actually am a big fan and almost bought the keyone for qwerty Mar 04 11:22:30 I mean that while it can make calls, it's probably completely different kind of device Mar 04 11:22:45 from smartphone Mar 04 11:23:03 yes it is I call it unique to be specific Mar 04 11:23:10 jeffers[m], and for them, try holding a smartphone and bluetooth keyboard at once :) Mar 04 11:23:19 well, the keyboard is the main event. It's designed to get things done Mar 04 11:26:50 but for me aside from the keyboard, android is not what interest me, would be nice for compatibility with nowadays apps and demands but debian is what caught my eyes when I seen Mr mobile 1st review so the combo of Keyboard and Linux was bang on Mar 04 11:30:13 lets say it brought back the memories of the N900 Maemo os experience, for some reason I thought a keyboard was missing in todays devices because it is an old trend and somehow died after the e90 ... to mention i never knew about Psion and never knew there was such PDA up till I knew about Gemini Mar 04 11:32:10 qwerty didn't die after e90, htc, samsung, motorola had android qwertys Mar 04 11:32:25 thekit, the qwerty is an addon at this point because they failed to deliver their promises to properly integrate it and build software for it. as for why v30 because it have good screen on which i can work just fine, have waterproofing, and have good build quality in terms of being actually very sturdy and well designed. look at jerryrigeverything takedowns. as for s8, it would allow for dex, at half the price of s9... Mar 04 11:32:29 and some while back before I switched to iPhones I had a bluetooth keyboard but it did not feel right ... cannot remember what device i had to use it on, probably tried it a couple times and then it is collecting the dust ever since Mar 04 11:34:14 DryEagle, since you want a flagship I thought you can have the 2018 with the new processor Mar 04 11:35:05 DryEagle, it can be an addon if you want to use it as smartphone, I think Mar 04 11:35:37 but not going to argue here otherwise Mar 04 11:36:16 akik, for me it did ... plus i did use e90 for a long time even switched back and forth, still somewhere here in a drawer too ... the weird part i cannot remember what I did with my N900 Mar 04 11:38:46 speaking of Nokia old things, you think they might bring keyboards since now they are back to the market ... Mar 04 11:39:07 in my opinion the qwerty died becase manufacturers decided that their market share would be less than the mono block phones Mar 04 11:39:27 akik, the trend :) Mar 04 11:39:35 even though it would be wise to be able to differentiate you from others Mar 04 11:41:25 seems people is more driven for full touch over anything else ... I held to my e90 as much as possible till it became unusable to the markets back then Mar 04 11:41:50 talking compatibilities and software Mar 04 11:41:55 i had nokia e71 when i worked for nokia Mar 04 11:42:19 i think it was in 2007. i decided then that i will not use a touch screen phone and was able to keep that promise :) Mar 04 11:42:24 I wanted to get the e71 but i was more focused on the N950 after n900 and e90 Mar 04 11:42:37 n950 was not sold to customers Mar 04 11:42:47 but it was meant too Mar 04 11:42:52 one of those decisions :( Mar 04 11:43:04 till Microsoft closed open source project Mar 04 11:43:24 and decided their WIN mobile will do better Mar 04 11:43:26 hahahaha Mar 04 11:43:45 look at Nokia now starting up and getting attention again with android Mar 04 11:44:15 HTC was never a thing when they used Microsoft software Mar 04 11:44:34 it's not nokia, but hmd global. it's all in the name Mar 04 11:44:58 I heard the stuff are a mix of nokia/microsoft Mar 04 11:45:00 even though they share their web precense Mar 04 11:45:02 staff Mar 04 11:45:04 presense Mar 04 11:45:10 I had an HTC XDA Orbit for a while, but WinCE (wince) was woeful... Mar 04 11:45:31 so kinda of old nokia spirit Mar 04 11:45:55 sure why not. although nokia decided there's no future with android/linux Mar 04 11:46:00 how times change Mar 04 11:46:10 the more I use this thing, the more I remember I hate Android Mar 04 11:46:12 Market and trend Mar 04 11:46:27 cowboycoder, you mean the Gemini? Mar 04 11:46:34 yep Mar 04 11:46:54 there's no default app that knows what a .txt file is!! Mar 04 11:46:55 not an android fan myself Mar 04 11:47:10 hehe Mar 04 11:47:16 and I can't cat it in this terminal because /sdcard is locked out in Android 7 Mar 04 11:47:28 cowboycoder: and by default android can't use ane ext3 sd card :) Mar 04 11:48:40 I'd suggest to flash dualboot before starting to really use Android Mar 04 11:48:46 as flashing will remove all the data Mar 04 11:49:02 there's nothing on here I'm keeping Mar 04 11:49:07 *partitioning I mean Mar 04 11:49:13 TheKit: thanks, good catch Mar 04 11:50:15 it's really going to need a proper OS to get the most out of this form factor Mar 04 11:50:47 cowboycoder, termux? Mar 04 11:51:01 cowboycoder: what do you mean? Mar 04 11:51:02 yeah, that's what I'm using Mar 04 11:51:31 yesterday I messed with the Note 4 Mar 04 11:51:44 was about to install lineage on it Mar 04 11:51:47 android just feels cramped and restricted compared to, say ubuntu Mar 04 11:51:52 it didn't want to flash Mar 04 11:52:37 yes of course, they're made for different things Mar 04 11:54:08 akik: sure, and I get that it's early days, but I'm just not convinced android is suitable for this sort of device Mar 04 11:54:09 wondering if busybox and installing linux tool might help you cowboycoder Mar 04 11:55:09 possibly Mar 04 11:55:09 I Mar 04 11:55:09 I've not really explored the options yet, as I've been busy on other things Mar 04 11:55:33 root the device Mar 04 11:55:37 install busy box Mar 04 11:55:41 and linux tools Mar 04 11:55:51 and see if this helps Mar 04 11:56:03 in theory it should Mar 04 11:56:44 running xorg/wayland on small screen device might bring its own challenges Mar 04 11:57:00 Judging by the unboxing photos, seems like they're shipping standard USB mains chargers with USB A to C cables, is it right? Mar 04 11:57:16 akik, it does Mar 04 11:57:41 steve-marinos: yeah I'll try that Mar 04 11:57:51 jeffers[m]: yeah, that's what you get Mar 04 11:58:01 what is the best android keyboard to make use of linux shell commands Mar 04 11:58:12 I'm still not convinced Linux desktop shell is the way to go on this Mar 04 11:58:48 steve-marinos: bash with bash-completion :) Mar 04 11:59:02 I remember net hunter had a useful keyboard Mar 04 11:59:11 cowboycoder: Great. PC had me worried when they told me I'd likely get a UK plug charger with my UK keyboard, even though I'm not in the UK Mar 04 12:00:15 jeffers[m], it has MTK Pump Express Mar 04 12:02:59 download linux mint image to use with drivedroid Mar 04 12:03:12 downloading* Mar 04 12:04:34 I guess net hunter uses hackers keyboard Mar 04 12:04:42 if i remember correctly Mar 04 12:05:50 oh yea hacker's keyboard is good Mar 04 12:06:39 not sure why you'd need it with the gemini though Mar 04 12:07:05 no am gonna use it on my note4 Mar 04 12:07:28 yesterday and finally my wife let it go and let me mess with it Mar 04 12:07:29 it's really configurable too Mar 04 12:07:52 even though i got her the mate 10 pro lol Mar 04 12:09:51 soon a $2 mill. indiegogo party :) Mar 04 12:10:17 lets hope they invest more on QC Mar 04 12:10:54 I have a feeling a lot has to do with them wanting to get the run out before CNY Mar 04 12:11:22 jeffers[m], yes the 1st batch was made too fast to be well controlled Mar 04 12:11:29 It it were me I'd deliberately delay the run until after Mar 04 12:11:39 after all it was around 1k device/perk Mar 04 12:12:02 cny is over already Mar 04 12:12:37 i would've been completely ok with a delay if they had identified the problems beforehand Mar 04 12:12:52 and they were also overwhelmed with MWC to attend Mar 04 12:13:00 Plus, why overcomplicate things when you have MWC and the shipping going on simultaneously Mar 04 12:13:04 i've been waiting for so many years already Mar 04 12:13:45 ok am stuck on termx and is refusing to quit no matter what I try lol Mar 04 12:13:57 for me it was only couple months ago Mar 04 12:14:25 I guess i knew about the gemini from Mr mobile video in the event Mar 04 12:16:02 i didn't mean waiting years for the gemini, but for a qwerty Mar 04 12:17:48 a qwerty and linux dual boot nothing more complete :D Mar 04 12:47:19 Interestingly, the google doc for people to log their deliveries has order numbers as high as 1239 Mar 04 12:48:01 Mine is 1290... Mar 04 13:01:58 I'm 62xx ;-) Mar 04 13:02:29 jeffers[m]: I'm closer to frustration than you. 1277. :) Mar 04 13:02:48 jeffers[m]: can you link to that google doc? Mar 04 13:03:45 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VODEP-9spO8SUiiToFyqJaIBhbNF63wUo3irMGXycx4/ Mar 04 13:04:21 thanks. is it by planet? Mar 04 13:04:29 I've been wondering exactly why people have been quoting their order numbers half redacted like 19XX Mar 04 13:04:50 akik: not by PC as far as I know Mar 04 13:05:14 jeffers[m]: it's a privacy issue Mar 04 13:06:34 akik: I figured but I don't see how exactly Mar 04 13:07:21 to stop idiots from messing with your order Mar 04 13:07:56 it might not make any difference but then I don't know IndieGoGo so easier to just redact bits Mar 04 13:08:36 Plus I don't know any of your weirdies either until the Inaugural GeminiCon(TM) Mar 04 13:08:38 :D Mar 04 13:09:40 I'll keep quoting my full order number and let you know as soon as it all gets messed up 😉 Mar 04 13:10:14 Japanese keyboard for you :D Mar 04 13:13:33 No matter. I'd just sell it here and get more than my money back! Mar 04 13:16:23 akik, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VODEP-9spO8SUiiToFyqJaIBhbNF63wUo3irMGXycx4/ Mar 04 13:16:53 oops I missed the rest of the chat Mar 04 13:17:17 thanks Mar 04 13:17:25 i thought it would be by planet Mar 04 13:18:06 they promised to build a service where you could check your order status Mar 04 13:19:10 no if am not mistaken it was by Mike Mar 04 13:19:18 Hopefully this isn't the service then. That would be the worst underdelivery Mar 04 13:19:21 or some other backer Mar 04 13:20:15 They mentioned thats coming on a comment on indiegogo yesterday or the day before Mar 04 13:20:20 well now they have too many on the agenda Mar 04 13:20:37 I guess it was suppose to be on monday Mar 04 13:21:30 I'll have to get my popcorn ready for when the next update drops Mar 04 13:22:13 https://twitter.com/planetcom2017/status/969559112131448832 Mar 04 13:22:13 they have a lot to do, I hope they slow down from now on and schedule their priorities accordingly Mar 04 13:23:36 organization is key Mar 04 13:24:24 even if it will mean a delayed reproduction Mar 04 13:25:05 I have zero problems with a delay if it gives a better product. The x25 thing is a bit of a cockup. Interested to see what the factory says Mar 04 13:25:54 my only wish was if they sent their 1st produced unit "not all" to developers and testers, and kept their 1st batch till after the event and CNY Mar 04 13:26:04 Same here. I don't expect to be running it as my daily driver for a while anyway, so I don't mind. Mar 04 13:26:48 It does seem a bit odd to ship the first batch. But I get they are trying to satisfy everyone. Mar 04 13:27:50 well they did not quietly achieved a total satisfaction, some are others are not Mar 04 13:28:24 I have a feeling that with all the keyboard options, it made the fulfilment much more complicated than they had envisaged Mar 04 13:28:41 the way I se it, if devs had the units b4 the backers many issues would have been solved before it reaches the public Mar 04 13:28:58 I'm also wondering if they have limited time in the factory so have to be in and out quickly. Mar 04 13:29:10 agree Mar 04 13:29:45 I guess the longer they stay the more they pay Mar 04 13:29:52 yep Mar 04 13:30:33 but if they have plan for version 2 they should get organized and work on schedules Mar 04 13:30:34 Let's face it - people would have been upset anyway - if you were order number 2xx and a dev in the 5000s got his before you, you'd have been whinging Mar 04 13:30:57 It the Devs were going "This thing is BS - it's got the wrong chip/keys offline" you'd have had a spate of attempted refunds Mar 04 13:31:11 true Mar 04 13:31:14 DaPol2, not when it is justified for performance and quality Mar 04 13:31:14 I'm backing another campaign run by one guy whose had problem after problem with factories, CNY shipping etc. Difference is, he spells out exactly what is happening in excruciating detail. Quite the opposite to planet Mar 04 13:31:28 plus a dev should not be considered as backer Mar 04 13:31:29 steve-marinos: The complaints would still have been there Mar 04 13:31:53 Maybe not justifiable, but still there Mar 04 13:32:19 I would like more insight into what planet are upto. Mar 04 13:32:44 Some of it sets off my "MarketingBS"-o-meter Mar 04 13:32:50 anyways it is what it is, now they have to priorities their steps and work accordingly Mar 04 13:33:22 already they have so much to complete beside the shipped devices that they might have to find a solution for the CPU accident with the factory Mar 04 13:33:28 its an impressive achievement in such a short amount of time thats for sure Mar 04 13:33:49 WorkingClassDev, no one denies that, but it came at a cost Mar 04 13:34:48 Well, better QA/QC and more comms and a lot of them problems will go away Mar 04 13:34:58 s/them/the Mar 04 13:35:39 I think their main focus right now is how to solve the CPU incident, with factory and backers Mar 04 13:35:59 Oh - just as a positive data point - I have mine with a 4G SIM (EE UK) working and it's actually really rather fast Mar 04 13:36:00 and then work on the rest of the issues, including QC Mar 04 13:36:20 Hows the battery life DaPol2 ? Mar 04 13:36:31 Not flat yet - 1 day 16 hours Mar 04 13:36:32 DaPol2, seems some were unlucky with their devices Mar 04 13:36:35 granted that's light use Mar 04 13:37:00 how is the call quality Mar 04 13:37:03 I'm taking it to Germany with me this evening Mar 04 13:37:09 steve-marinos: That I haven't tried yet Mar 04 13:37:20 and what are peoples reaction when they see it Mar 04 13:37:29 "That's odd - what is it?" Mar 04 13:37:44 :D Mar 04 13:37:52 DaPol2: That's the bit I'm looking forward to Mar 04 13:37:53 "It's a device to hack your phone.... hack hack hack" Mar 04 13:38:00 or in a few cases "Oh gawd, what have you bought *this* time" Mar 04 13:38:00 lol like they never seen a PDA or communicator b4 lmfao Mar 04 13:38:12 haha Mar 04 13:38:25 steve-marinos: Most have never seen a communicator. PDA's stopped being a thing (well this formfactor) in the early 2000s Mar 04 13:38:32 To think these types of devices were mainstream for 15-20 years Mar 04 13:38:36 "It's a device for calculating your age" Mar 04 13:38:37 DaPol2, those seem the one that knows you well lol Mar 04 13:39:06 "Oh gawd, what have you bought *this* time" Mar 04 13:39:28 jeffers[m], lol i see what you did there Mar 04 13:39:51 WorkingClassDev: Not quite that long - if you count the older databanks then maybe, but after that you have the Atari Portfolio in 1989 as the first thing that's really in this class/formfactor Mar 04 13:40:38 jeffers[m], and by your comment i felt am old Mar 04 13:40:40 yea maybe ;-) I remember having a couple of psions and then a journada then a palm t5 (which doesnt count because no keyboard) Mar 04 13:40:40 :D Mar 04 13:40:52 After that would be the Psion 3 in 1993 that was the first one to actually be mainstream Mar 04 13:41:12 I might put an Apple sticker on it and troll peopl Mar 04 13:41:14 I might put an Apple sticker on it and troll people Mar 04 13:41:28 The Palm Centro in 2007 *maybe* but you're crossing into Blackberry formfactor there Mar 04 13:41:43 Funny you mention that jeffers[m] I was looking on ebay yesterday for a sticker to put on the back. I think I've settled for a conical flask Mar 04 13:41:43 I know that keyboard devices have been *very* sparse of late Mar 04 13:42:12 Then with maybe a metal Debian Powered sticker Mar 04 13:42:29 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Powered-by-debian-Linux-Metal-Decal-Sticker-Case-Computer-PC-Laptop-Badge/162399021750?epid=12002959557&hash=item25cfbc6ab6:g:HhwAAOxyCGNTKasr Mar 04 13:42:54 like zero between the Droid 4 (2012) and the Priv (Late 2015) - assuming you ignore the BB10 devices which quite honestly almost everybody did. Mar 04 13:43:24 I found myself buying foldup bluetooth keyboards to use with a tablet or my phone Mar 04 13:43:41 I tried that. And gave up and started just sweating the older devices. Mar 04 13:43:46 Stickers are so grossly overpriced. I just bought some photo sticker paper and profit! Mar 04 13:43:50 My Desire Z eventually died with a keyboard failure Mar 04 13:44:17 My Droid 4 is still in my car as an emergency phone, but it's running some horribly hacked ROM that's only borderline stable. Mar 04 13:44:26 I didn't even know that a thing jeffers[m] thank you Mar 04 13:44:39 https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xpowered+by+kali.TRS0&_nkw=powered+by+kali&_sacat=0 Mar 04 13:44:50 this one for trolling your neighbors Mar 04 13:44:51 And I miss the Asus TF transformers - I know I can get convertible tablets, but I *liked* the Android ones, and nobody makes them now Mar 04 13:44:56 I found a bluetooth keyboard and google docs on the phone is pretty usuable Mar 04 13:45:23 WorkingClassDev: I have yet to find a bluetooth keyboard that I can stand typing on. Mar 04 13:45:26 I tried bluetooth keyboard for couple times and it is collecting dust ever since Mar 04 13:45:42 Theyre either rubbersquish horrible things or chicklet where I miskey more often than not Mar 04 13:45:54 This fold up one I've got is ok. The main problem is they place things in odd places, like backspace is a smaller key and placed horribly Mar 04 13:45:57 the last pocket keyboard I could use was the Palm one for the Palm III devices Mar 04 13:46:48 Now to see if I can pull enough rank at work to overrule the "No BYOD" rules so I can dump the iPhone I have to carry and come down to just my own devices Mar 04 13:46:53 They do take some effort to get used to. I hoping the Gemini will be pretty easy to get into muscle memory Mar 04 13:47:03 at the moment I'm beginning to resemble a mobile phone retailer when I go through security Mar 04 13:47:11 hehe Mar 04 13:47:12 WorkingClassDev: Gemini's already there for me Mar 04 13:47:31 DaPol2: Awesome! Mar 04 13:47:32 I'm *almost* as fast on it ona good surface as I am on my notebook, and that's an older Thinkpad Mar 04 13:47:47 So, for me "Gold standard of keyboards" Mar 04 13:47:49 Have you felt the need to think about putting little rubber feet on the bottom ? Mar 04 13:48:09 Not really - it's sat well enough where I've tried it Mar 04 13:48:17 cool, happy to hear that Mar 04 13:48:30 granted that's mostly been wood or leather surfaced desks - haven't tried using it on an aircraft tray table Mar 04 13:49:04 And I got one of the Pisen combined wallwart/powerbanks - they're actually rather good Mar 04 13:49:05 DaPol2, how about typing with the thumbs Mar 04 13:49:17 steve-marinos: Not doable - the keyboard's too wide Mar 04 13:49:33 I'm a six.5 fingered typist on it Mar 04 13:49:46 I was hopping it would be nice to hold it and type on the go without it being rested at something Mar 04 13:50:04 steve-marinos: It's usable if you hold it one hand and type with the other Mar 04 13:50:12 Does the screen being off centre bother you? Mar 04 13:50:15 DaPol2: really two wide? Mar 04 13:50:21 but not a "Dangle on the forefinger and thumb type" way Mar 04 13:50:42 akik: For over the forefingers and thumb type? yeah. I can't reliably reach tygh that way Mar 04 13:51:01 I have realtively stubby thumbs, but even so Mar 04 13:51:27 i bought the blackberry priv and it's too narrow and weird Mar 04 13:51:48 and now the gemini is too wide for thumb typing wth Mar 04 13:51:48 Yeah - the ridges on the Priv are a problem, and the keys are a wierd shape Mar 04 13:51:55 the KeyOne is a lot better Mar 04 13:52:18 if you want to thumbtype try it - it's got the same keyboard as the BB Classic had - if you want to 2 hand thumb type it's great Mar 04 13:52:29 I can *just* one hand thumb type on it but it's a stretch Mar 04 13:52:41 how can i type it on the move if i need to set it on some surface? Mar 04 13:52:52 akik: Like the palm of your left hand? Mar 04 13:53:05 well that's silly Mar 04 13:53:16 I can hold it in my left hand and 4 finger type with my right - that's not a problem Mar 04 13:53:26 akik: It's no worse than any of the older Psions were that way Mar 04 13:53:38 it's like they don't understand qwerty mobiles Mar 04 13:53:50 It's not a Qwerty mobile. It's a PDA. Mar 04 13:54:04 That's why there is (and it was the original default) a Wifi only option Mar 04 13:54:07 even e90 you could write easily Mar 04 13:54:13 and that was 10 years ago Mar 04 13:54:20 And was first and foremeost a mobile Mar 04 13:54:32 fuck Mar 04 13:55:22 Sorry - if you want a Qwerty mobile that's usable primarily as a mobile pretty much your only choice at the moment is the Blackberry KeyOne or one of the faturephones with keyboards that China bashes out :( Mar 04 13:55:36 also Moto Z Play keyboard mod Mar 04 13:56:26 which may not be usable single thumb either - in fact looking at it I can't see any way that it could be Mar 04 13:56:43 > I can hold it in my left hand and 4 finger type with my right - that's not a problem Mar 04 13:56:51 the weight of the phone will be way too high and to the back and the keyboard's the fullw idth of the 5.5" phone Mar 04 13:56:55 nice idea, I held it by both hands and 2 finger typed :) Mar 04 13:57:16 i'll suggest they develop an accessory that you can then hang in your neck Mar 04 13:57:53 I think we're all buying the gemini for different reasons. For me i went Wifi only because its not meant to be a replacement for my phone or to be carried all the time. Its a nice bridge between phone and laptop is my expected use Mar 04 13:58:09 akik: They did - http://www.bude-today.co.uk/images/news/2016/WEB-Cinema-1.jpg Mar 04 13:58:21 yes that's what i was thinking :) Mar 04 13:58:44 FIWI the Google Assistant voice recognition works really well with the notes app Mar 04 13:58:52 or indeed FWIW Mar 04 13:59:05 voice dictation is almost as good as it gets Mar 04 13:59:06 I bloody hate the notes app though ;-) Mar 04 13:59:29 WorkingClassDev: Which notes app? Google Nodes or the Planet Note? Mar 04 13:59:30 i've used my android qwerty anywhere because it's just right size for thumb writing Mar 04 13:59:31 Docs does ok voice dictation but its mind bending to organise my thoughts in a way that makes sense Mar 04 13:59:36 Google notes Mar 04 13:59:49 theres a planet notes ? Mar 04 13:59:55 Ahh - there's a Planet Note app that's the default, and behaves rather like the Psion Notes app :) Mar 04 13:59:59 yeah - preinstalled Mar 04 14:00:02 ahh cool Mar 04 14:00:12 * WorkingClassDev off to hunt screenshots/videos Mar 04 14:01:13 how was the psion for thumb writing? Mar 04 14:01:17 i never had one Mar 04 14:01:36 Not great - was top heavy and tippy with a wide keyboard Mar 04 14:01:43 it was always for on a surface Mar 04 14:01:50 notebook replacement more than anything else when doing text entry Mar 04 14:02:01 for retrieval it was fine as it was a decent enough touchscreen Mar 04 14:02:02 i remember the 3a being ok ? Mar 04 14:02:10 the 3a was narrower and shallower than the 5 Mar 04 14:02:38 true Mar 04 14:04:59 Just posted a photo of the Note app to the FB group Mar 04 14:06:32 ahh nice, thank you Mar 04 14:07:15 thats actually a nice interface Mar 04 14:08:18 Holy moly! Gemini on Japan's Yahoo auctions for roughly double the early bird price Mar 04 14:09:11 who does that.... Mar 04 14:11:18 That's the buy it now price. I'm going to laugh if it goes for a lot lot less! Mar 04 14:11:30 heh Mar 04 14:11:37 I guess if you dont like it its worth a punt Mar 04 14:12:43 there's another one for 1500e Mar 04 14:12:44 It's a US keyboard, perhaps that was the plan all along Mar 04 14:12:50 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Planet-Computer-Gemini-4g-PDA-/302657994607?_ul=JP&_mwBanner=1 Mar 04 14:13:31 4 times the early bird price? What the hell? Mar 04 14:13:40 demand is high :) Mar 04 14:14:04 indeed Mar 04 14:15:29 is it me or do some of those keys look wonky in the ebay one? Mar 04 14:15:49 interesting enough, the Gemini will sell fast Mar 04 14:15:55 https://imgur.com/a/RsvTC Mar 04 14:16:36 and there was an another post in Japanese but the asked price was near twice Mar 04 14:18:09 :D 1500€ Mar 04 14:22:40 that's a gamble that the first batch will somehow become collectible Mar 04 14:23:38 who's going to pay €1000 for the priveledge of skipping 6 or 7 weeks of further QA Mar 04 14:26:44 i'm only asking £400 for mine... Mar 04 14:27:23 :) more likely find a buyer at that price Mar 04 14:29:15 If it has an x27 I'll consider it :D :D :P Mar 04 14:31:30 :D Mar 04 14:33:02 :3 Mar 04 14:40:14 DryEagle, was that yours on ebay Mar 04 14:40:19 I thought it was Mar 04 14:41:09 DryEagle: root it, patch /proc/cpuinfo to return x27 instead :D Mar 04 14:44:45 * WorkingClassDev TIL cowboycoder is really a Cowboy Coder :D Mar 04 14:46:46 cowboycoder: If only hardware upgrades worked that way :) DevFS implementing a R/W Reality interface Mar 04 14:47:24 :D Mar 04 14:48:14 Although - somebody could patch Xen or KVM to allow that sorta thing :) Mar 04 14:48:29 clock it and kill some apps for efficiency :P Mar 04 14:49:16 no one would know, they would all just see the cpu-z screen grab and be happy :) Mar 04 14:50:15 Lets us know fi you get hired to help the 'factory' out :D Mar 04 14:50:37 ;D Mar 04 14:50:40 heh Mar 04 14:51:01 if there's a SW patch for the first batch... you know what's happened Mar 04 14:51:29 "Changelog Mar 04 14:51:35 - Fixes things Mar 04 14:55:41 Looking at the keyboard on this link feels more durable on the Psion vs the Gemini Mar 04 14:55:43 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1915896901788781&set=gm.1803404313293943&type=3&theater Mar 04 14:57:51