**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 06 03:00:05 2018 Mar 06 10:33:31 serp_: I think I've seen that a couple of times but not been able to be 100% sure. Mar 06 12:05:41 don't know if this has been already mentioned here, but for anyone still planning to order a Wifi + 4G model, there's a secret, MWC visitors' perk on Indiegogo for that device with a discounted price, 499$ instead of 599: http://bit.ly/gemspecial Mar 06 16:12:56 hi all! was catching up reading the forums and saw the channel mentioned Mar 06 16:18:35 helloha Mar 06 16:38:19 Looks like PC took the time and replied to backers on the indiegogo page Mar 06 16:39:17 No update though Mar 06 16:50:18 better than nothing I suppose Mar 06 18:22:13 what did PC say? Mar 06 18:22:21 have had an issue with random restarts Mar 06 18:22:24 other than that works well Mar 06 18:31:09 They were replying to some backers questions on indiegogo Mar 06 18:31:15 mostly shipping Mar 06 18:31:27 network bands Mar 06 18:31:56 kinda picky to who they replied too Mar 06 18:32:31 you could see 2 comments by Robin and Jamko for a single backer comment Mar 06 18:33:57 in US i can only get 4g on ATT Mar 06 18:33:59 no LTE Mar 06 18:34:09 i am hoping something can be done about call quality Mar 06 18:34:14 wait let me get you one reply about that Mar 06 18:34:20 maybe you can confirm it for them Mar 06 18:35:01 by Janko Mar 06 18:35:03 Regarding the USB interfaces: The left hand side USB supports Gemini USB-C hub, power, PC connectivity and OTG connectivity. The right hand side USB supports 1 slave (OTG) device (for example 1 memory card, 1 mouse) or the Gemini HDMI cable adapter. Mar 06 18:35:29 yes that is true Mar 06 18:35:33 By Janko also Mar 06 18:35:35 The Gemini has been tested in the USA on T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon so far. As it supports CDMA, we also believe it will work on Sprint. Mar 06 18:35:49 I am on ATT it works but no LTE Mar 06 18:35:51 4g max Mar 06 18:36:13 also Mar 06 18:36:16 The following LTE bands are supported 1/2/3/4/5/7/12/17/20/41 . Gemini also supports WCDMA - 900/2100MHz, GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz and CDMA 850/1900 MHz BC0 BC1+ EVDO. Yes, CDMA is also supported as well as GSM. Mar 06 18:36:58 here no specific country Mar 06 18:37:33 LTE att band here i 30 Mar 06 18:37:34 i think Mar 06 18:37:37 so not supported Mar 06 18:38:16 I think robin removed his some of his replies and kept Jankos Mar 06 18:39:49 hmm Mar 06 18:42:18 Looks like they are on schedule despite the issues Mar 06 18:44:32 are the new units coming with the x27 Mar 06 18:44:41 i am not too happy with the battery life of my gemini Mar 06 18:44:49 maybe 6 hours with heavy use Mar 06 18:45:22 is there a way to get rid of the lame searchbar up top Mar 06 18:45:24 i fucking hate it Mar 06 18:45:48 https://imgur.com/a/Dx3mj Mar 06 18:46:10 serp_, I seen a post where you can Mar 06 18:46:22 also some used different launchers Mar 06 18:46:25 like Nova Mar 06 18:46:38 but yeah I think there is a way of taking the search bar off Mar 06 18:46:47 need to find the link of it was done Mar 06 18:46:52 how Mar 06 18:47:35 serp_, No idea about the new unit, but I believe yes and might have a plan to compensate for the one who got the X25 Mar 06 18:48:41 wonder what compensation will be Mar 06 18:48:56 i don't really want to give up my Gemini because the new one may have issues Mar 06 18:49:00 mine is essentially perfect Mar 06 18:55:06 sorry got DC Mar 06 18:55:37 well I really don't know how they would compensate or what are their plans regarding this matter Mar 06 18:55:55 not really any accessories that I would want Mar 06 18:55:59 they must be still trying to figure out how they would and what to announce later Mar 06 18:56:05 the camera is cool but almost useless for my purposes Mar 06 18:56:25 it is gonna feel so outdated Mar 06 18:56:31 even for any purpose Mar 06 18:56:36 yea plus can get damaged easily ify ou drop it Mar 06 18:56:42 i could see that lens shattering or something coming loose Mar 06 18:57:01 no flash also useless Mar 06 18:57:15 I was hoping in the future they would make a better camera, but seems it is not possible Mar 06 18:57:18 they could have likely integrated a flash module into the camera Mar 06 18:57:30 yea just get a nice point and shoot that can connect to yoru gemini over wifi Mar 06 18:58:17 I believe with the idea of having the old Psion design they did ignore some of the new era demands Mar 06 18:58:41 design and embiance Mar 06 18:58:44 lost opportunity with the back cover Mar 06 18:59:01 if they could have made the hinge design rotate 180 Mar 06 18:59:15 maybe/if gemini 2 would be more up to todays demands Mar 06 18:59:20 then could have better call quality Mar 06 18:59:55 I believe they went with the productivity concept literally Mar 06 19:00:08 i would be happy with a nice wired headset/mic as compensation Mar 06 19:00:21 somethign with noise cancelling etc Mar 06 19:00:55 well we have to wait and see what they will announce/update us with next Mar 06 19:00:59 if the voice calling worked better it would be perfect Mar 06 19:01:24 no desire for an updated version will likely ruin some of the pros of gemini Mar 06 19:01:31 maybe software update would do it Mar 06 19:01:32 25% better power consumption is something that would be useful Mar 06 19:02:35 not necessarily ruin, but am pretty sure it will have higher costs Mar 06 19:03:12 well what do you want added? Mar 06 19:03:19 a camera that can be used without opening the clamshell? Mar 06 19:03:40 would be nice with the out cover to have either lcd Mar 06 19:03:49 like the e90 had Mar 06 19:04:02 yea the 9500 had it as well Mar 06 19:04:20 maybe someone could integerate a lightphone on the back of the case Mar 06 19:04:23 dedicated mic and speaker for better reception Mar 06 19:04:36 also like e90 Mar 06 19:04:44 yea other than that Mar 06 19:04:47 cannot thik of much to improve Mar 06 19:04:50 a back camera with 8/12 MP Mar 06 19:05:10 back finger print reader Mar 06 19:05:13 the speaker/mic should have really been on the back of the device Mar 06 19:05:22 or face unlock once you open the Gemini Mar 06 19:05:37 is face unlock something that can be done via OTA update? Mar 06 19:05:40 it has a camera Mar 06 19:06:06 am not sure if an OTA update might do it Mar 06 19:06:28 I guess it should theoretically Mar 06 19:06:42 yea not sure if it needs a seperate processing chip Mar 06 19:06:45 or it can be done all via software Mar 06 19:06:54 one plus 5t have the fastest face inlock so far Mar 06 19:07:26 even faster than lgV30 Mar 06 19:07:31 electro magnetic lock would be cool.. you can't open the device unless you put yoru finger on it Mar 06 19:07:32 not much security though Mar 06 19:08:07 small updates that render things close to nowa days demands without effecting the Psion style Mar 06 19:09:05 would just be happy with a cover that has a dedicated mic speaker Mar 06 19:09:11 to me that is all i need to make it the perfect device Mar 06 19:09:22 and since it dual boot a linux, a better CPU that is more linux kernel friendly with less hustle Mar 06 19:09:48 you don't really have much choice here Mar 06 19:10:02 Pyra is doing it Mar 06 19:10:10 GPD pocket Mar 06 19:10:13 with really outdated hardware Mar 06 19:10:19 and GPD pocket is Intel-based Mar 06 19:10:45 GPD pocket battery life is horrific Mar 06 19:10:47 like 3-4 hours Mar 06 19:10:49 making it useless Mar 06 19:11:01 and doesn't fast charge of USB-c so takes forever Mar 06 19:11:17 cannot remember Pyra specs but they seem to be fine for them Mar 06 19:11:25 pyra has been vaporware Mar 06 19:11:30 it* Mar 06 19:11:47 TI OMAP 5 dual-core Mar 06 19:12:34 TheKit Pyra ? Mar 06 19:12:43 though I wouldn't be suprised if Linux ran somewhat better on that than on our MediaTek Helio X2x deca-core Mar 06 19:12:44 yes Mar 06 19:12:59 the lack of proprietary HDMI out i s pretty much a non issue since you can cast natively in android Mar 06 19:13:33 TheKit same seem so confident with the Pyra Mar 06 19:13:43 they* same Mar 06 19:13:51 pyra has been in development for a while Mar 06 19:14:07 yes but the good thing you can upgrade your hardware Mar 06 19:15:04 pyra keyboard also will likely not be as good as gemini Mar 06 19:15:25 i can think of many factors the Gemini have over Pyra Mar 06 19:15:25 it costs like two Geminis before Gemini february Mar 06 19:15:38 TheKit one of the factors Mar 06 19:15:38 *before february Mar 06 19:16:11 and I add the whole shape of it not meant to be a cellphone ever Mar 06 19:16:26 I think sailfish on the gemini is a fools errand Mar 06 19:16:28 even with 4g support Mar 06 19:16:33 it can never be in the same class as your basic cell phone Mar 06 19:16:49 well, true Mar 06 19:16:55 Sailfish runs on tablets as well though Mar 06 19:17:05 yea but it is desgined as a mobile phone OS Mar 06 19:17:22 kinda pointless to run it on the gemini that can barely function as a mobile phone Mar 06 19:17:36 the issue here is that we don't really have an OS designed for PDAs like Gemini Mar 06 19:17:46 i guess people are paring it with these bluetooth handsets but not sure how good they are Mar 06 19:17:58 yea Android scaling is horrible on gemini Mar 06 19:17:59 you can run desktop Linux as on Pyra, sure, but it's not really good without pointing device Mar 06 19:18:04 half the apps cut off and look like crap Mar 06 19:18:28 maybe they are simply not designed to work in landscape mode? Mar 06 19:18:34 i don't think PC has the resources to port android UI to this form factor Mar 06 19:18:37 scaling seems sane to me compared to another 5'5 inch device Mar 06 19:19:23 serp_, if the problem are in third-party apps, that's not their issue or something they can fix either Mar 06 19:19:27 *is Mar 06 19:20:10 most Android apps look like suck on landscape devices :( My old Galaxy Pro (Samsung) had most of the same problems as the Gemini that way - app designers assume all the world is a portrait device Mar 06 19:20:23 also causes my car head unit to have issues :( Mar 06 19:20:23 well the thing is even in portrait mode it doesn't scale like a normal 5.5 inch screen Mar 06 19:21:00 aspect ratio problem? Mar 06 19:21:02 it still cuts off the app Mar 06 19:21:02 I guess software optimization can fix these Mar 06 19:21:04 yea Mar 06 19:21:15 that is something they can fix i would be ok with using apps in portrait mode if need by and just touch Mar 06 19:21:27 at least you can use it Mar 06 19:21:30 but like TheKit implied nothing we can do for 3rd party softares Mar 06 19:21:44 * TheKit remembers Xposed Mar 06 19:21:58 patch their UI maybe :) Mar 06 19:22:00 i think the portrait mode thing is a gemini issue Mar 06 19:22:30 a 5.5 inch android "tablet" should be able to scale apps properly in portrait Mar 06 19:22:55 the way rotate is implemented still keeps keyboard functionality which is the issue Mar 06 19:23:10 it shoudl disable the keyboard and go to tablet mode only and scale that way Mar 06 19:23:16 I don't see myself using gemini in portrait Mar 06 19:23:36 just not designed to be Mar 06 19:23:42 it is useful if you need to use some of the apps like my vehicle app to unlock, status etc makes it easier to just rotate and use the touch features Mar 06 19:24:11 at least you can use the app Mar 06 19:24:14 serp_, don't have it yet so am speculating Mar 06 19:24:18 whats an app that doesnt work normally? Mar 06 19:24:23 Tesla app Mar 06 19:24:30 ill post some screen caps Mar 06 19:24:54 just want to try something Mar 06 19:25:21 dapol2 do you have a gemini? Mar 06 19:25:31 Yes Mar 06 19:25:34 he does Mar 06 19:25:35 yeah Mar 06 19:25:54 am the only one in this conversation who don't :'D Mar 06 19:26:04 also have a sucktastic 4G connection at the moment Mar 06 19:26:14 yea same here Mar 06 19:26:18 i am on att no LTE Mar 06 19:26:19 34MB to talk to your car! Mar 06 19:26:42 I'm roaming at the moment Mar 06 19:26:49 and about to board a plane Mar 06 19:26:54 laters! Mar 06 19:27:01 DaPol2, later mate Mar 06 19:27:05 have a safe flight Mar 06 19:28:57 some backers posts irritate me Mar 06 19:29:33 https://ibb.co/faT3JS Mar 06 19:29:56 https://ibb.co/faT3JS Mar 06 19:30:11 looks like an app issue to me, not the system one Mar 06 19:30:25 it works perfectly on my tablet Mar 06 19:30:31 it happens due to unusual screen proportions Mar 06 19:31:00 that app seem to expect something sized 16:9 at least Mar 06 19:31:29 https://imgur.com/a/pWGTN Mar 06 19:31:29 try to bug report it to the developers if you can Mar 06 19:32:02 the later one is weird Mar 06 19:32:21 maybe it tries to get screen width from somewhere and default orientation is landscape one... Mar 06 19:32:56 I think it is a gemini issue or the app doesnt have 5.5 inch screen support Mar 06 19:34:35 are there any 5.5 inch tablets on the market? Mar 06 19:34:42 i have an old sony tablet but it can't run any modern apps Mar 06 19:34:42 likely it fetches screen wrong width from somewhere Mar 06 19:34:49 5.5 inch dual screen Mar 06 19:36:02 I think gemini needs to implement tablet mode rather than just rotate Mar 06 19:36:38 I think Jolla team might do a good work from their part Mar 06 19:37:33 even though I was expecting to dual boot my gemini with sailfish/ubuntu Mar 06 19:37:43 not ubuntu rather debian Mar 06 19:38:29 Been a long time i haven't messed with Linux on my hardwares Mar 06 19:38:39 so you are going to keep your existing phone? was looking for a solution to replace my phone and laptop Mar 06 19:39:21 serp_, I don't see myself so far with Gemini as a daily driver Mar 06 19:39:27 OK - heres a trick - app called "Rotation Manager - Control" on the app store - just installed and enabled it and told it to force Tesla app to landscape and.... its :) Mar 06 19:39:35 landscape that is. Mar 06 19:39:49 There you go Mar 06 19:39:51 let me try it! Mar 06 19:39:52 :D Mar 06 19:40:14 software basically will aways have a way Mar 06 19:40:16 need to enable it, grand permissions and check landscape for the app Mar 06 19:40:52 rotation manager or rotation control? Mar 06 19:41:09 one sec Mar 06 19:41:34 manager Mar 06 19:41:54 sorry - using 2 phones here Mar 06 19:42:39 and here is my response to you serp_ "using 2 phones here" Mar 06 19:43:02 serp_: what is tablet mode in your opinion? Mar 06 19:43:10 steve-marinos: Thats because this one is paid for by the company Mar 06 19:43:23 and thus costs me less to use when overseas Mar 06 19:43:28 DaPol2, was just quoting mate :D Mar 06 19:43:33 no dice Mar 06 19:43:39 the iamge of the vehicle is still screwed up Mar 06 19:43:58 then it might be software thing Mar 06 19:44:11 I dont have a vehicle - all I could get to was the login screen Mar 06 19:44:32 but still can access the features just can't see the vehicle Mar 06 19:44:37 i guess it is better than before though :) Mar 06 19:44:48 DaPol2, serp_ did you try compass Mar 06 19:44:55 no let me try it Mar 06 19:44:57 I seen couple saying compass not working Mar 06 19:45:19 dapol2 is it possible to get rid of the search bar? Mar 06 19:45:54 serp_, try different launcher Mar 06 19:46:04 get Nova or something Mar 06 19:46:19 hmm Mar 06 19:46:23 should i buy a blackberry classic? Mar 06 19:46:32 i find BBOS strangely satisfying Mar 06 19:46:32 coolly keyone Mar 06 19:46:40 but no that runs android Mar 06 19:47:05 get the iPhone X Mar 06 19:47:08 :) Mar 06 19:47:21 then buy its fast charger separate Mar 06 19:47:23 not a fan of chiclet keyboards Mar 06 19:48:03 have to use your nail to type Mar 06 19:48:19 never had a BB but b4 gemini i was considering the Keyone Mar 06 19:48:48 i had a nokia e61 similar type of keyboard Mar 06 19:49:02 not one phone of latest announcements caught my attention Mar 06 19:49:21 2017/2018 Mar 06 19:49:24 dapol2 how is the voice quality on your gemini using it as a phone? Mar 06 19:49:39 serp_, did u try the compass? Mar 06 19:49:46 not as yet going to try now Mar 06 19:49:49 what app should i test it with? Mar 06 19:50:03 compass i guess Mar 06 19:50:13 I tihugth to was a built in app Mar 06 19:50:22 thought it was Mar 06 19:51:05 even older devices such e90 and N900 did not have a much of a keyboard Mar 06 19:51:12 google maps maybe Mar 06 19:51:15 but I was too satisfied to notice Mar 06 19:51:56 it shows a heading Mar 06 19:52:31 echicken, I think if it is not a cult in app must be a 3rd party software Mar 06 19:52:39 builtin Mar 06 19:52:40 google maps shows GPS data Mar 06 19:52:41 that works fine Mar 06 19:52:48 focking typos Mar 06 19:53:18 well, I was just guessing that a map application might use the compass :D Mar 06 19:53:22 it shows two bars on megnetic field Mar 06 19:53:40 I have never had occasion to wonder if my phone has a compass and then use it if so Mar 06 19:53:47 lol echicken Mar 06 19:53:51 yea i am not sure what use compass is Mar 06 19:53:57 I have a compass on my iphone i thought gemini had a similar one Mar 06 19:54:21 not that i ever used it either Mar 06 19:54:25 but it is there Mar 06 19:54:28 and it works Mar 06 19:54:32 in case am lost Mar 06 19:54:33 :) Mar 06 19:54:38 haha you have GPS data though Mar 06 19:54:45 on the stairs to my house Mar 06 19:55:27 am old military school :P Mar 06 19:55:37 compass is probably built into the bloc chipset Mar 06 19:56:06 ublox Mar 06 19:56:18 dunno what the backers that reported compass not working are actually using Mar 06 19:56:30 Compass in those devices is just part of the gyroscope SoC typically. Mar 06 19:56:52 maybe a real old compass and thought lets troll PC and their community lol Mar 06 19:57:05 according to this site gemini supports face detection Mar 06 19:57:06 http://phonedb.net/index.php?m=device&id=11307&c=planet_computers_gemini_pda_wifi Mar 06 19:57:27 yea some devices have a dedicated GPS chip Mar 06 19:58:47 face detection as in taking picture Mar 06 19:59:04 I think most of it is done in software Mar 06 19:59:42 weird that few uses it, anyway not that it is secure like iPhone Mar 06 20:00:25 but a nice option though Mar 06 20:01:30 would prefer motion detection if i look at the screen it turns on Mar 06 20:01:33 can't get taht feature to work Mar 06 20:02:00 I feel some functions on some devices are more a mimic Mar 06 20:02:02 my gemini keeps restarting recently that is an issue Mar 06 20:02:13 any heating? Mar 06 20:02:19 no Mar 06 20:02:26 it is plugged into a 1 amp usb port Mar 06 20:02:43 flash it Mar 06 20:02:50 has to do with charging for sure Mar 06 20:02:51 refresh the OS Mar 06 20:02:56 hM Mar 06 20:03:05 when unplugged it stops restarting Mar 06 20:03:16 maybe a bug? Mar 06 20:03:28 looks like a bug Mar 06 20:03:38 but so far you are the only ti mention this Mar 06 20:03:45 That's a bit worrying, serp_ - wonder if it's a software or hardware thaang... Mar 06 20:03:57 it happened yesterday as well Mar 06 20:04:02 when is gemini getting ubuntu touch? Mar 06 20:04:02 add it to the OESF.org general chat list of issues Mar 06 20:04:07 usually when charging between 75-90% Mar 06 20:04:39 someone reported a heating battery issue but he did get notified about it Mar 06 20:04:46 goes into a boot loop Mar 06 20:04:55 where can i find the logs? Mar 06 20:05:07 what logs? Mar 06 20:05:13 android logs Mar 06 20:05:17 doesn't it log behavior? Mar 06 20:05:30 not sure if you need to root your device 1st Mar 06 20:05:39 and then add termux Mar 06 20:05:49 serp_: does it come with a 1 amp charger? Mar 06 20:05:50 dmesg Mar 06 20:06:05 no it comes with a 2 amp Mar 06 20:06:07 I wish I have the device Mar 06 20:06:19 i am just charging it off a usb port that I have built into a powerstrip Mar 06 20:06:22 TheKit any other way to read logs Mar 06 20:06:45 adb logcat Mar 06 20:06:59 root needed ? Mar 06 20:07:10 when is gemini getting ubuntu touch? - when someone is willing to port it Mar 06 20:07:24 steve-marinos, no Mar 06 20:07:33 serp_, Mar 06 20:07:39 downloading now Mar 06 20:07:58 one day am gonna try to port something somewhere Mar 06 20:08:01 serp_, I wonder if your device is actually faulty in some way Mar 06 20:08:15 if i had time i would have tried for the SM-N9100h Mar 06 20:08:23 maybe the boost converter on the device is toast Mar 06 20:08:28 serp_, does it still boot loop? Mar 06 20:08:43 it boot loops randomly when plugged in Mar 06 20:08:50 TheKit the boot loop though might it be a bug ? Mar 06 20:08:54 so discharged to zero? Mar 06 20:09:05 no between 75-90% state of charge Mar 06 20:09:24 is is on a usb charger that gives more than 500mA? Mar 06 20:09:32 yea 1 amp Mar 06 20:09:32 it boot loops randomly when plugged in - you mean in off state, or that you can't turn it on? Mar 06 20:09:48 no when on it will go into a bootloop it restarts and boot loops Mar 06 20:10:12 I fear adb won't help you now if you can't boot it Mar 06 20:10:16 then if i unplug the usb-c cable it stops Mar 06 20:10:26 and it acts normal Mar 06 20:10:28 Does it restart randomly without you being around? (So it cant be something stupid like the usb plug missing it's GND) Mar 06 20:10:47 serp_, so without usb-c cable you can start it? Mar 06 20:10:49 randomly being around or not around only happens between 75-90 pct SOC Mar 06 20:10:59 yes without usb c cable it starts normally Mar 06 20:11:11 this is the cable that came with gemini Mar 06 20:11:14 Well, i'd guess it might be faulty in some way :/ Mar 06 20:11:16 just plugged into a 1a socket Mar 06 20:11:31 I'd try another socket or a computer. Mar 06 20:11:36 try fetching cat /sys/fs/pstore/console-ramoops after reboot Mar 06 20:11:37 But probably won't help. Mar 06 20:11:42 i don't trust the gemini 2a charger it looks like your typical chinese crap Mar 06 20:12:38 Bad filtering in device or in the charger can cause that kind of behaviour easily. Mar 06 20:13:39 i have the logger on now Mar 06 20:13:43 hopefully it happens again Mar 06 20:14:54 i wonder if the battery is defective Mar 06 20:15:00 i only get maybe 6 hours of use Mar 06 20:21:54 Sounds plausible... Mar 06 20:23:41 easy enough to fix Mar 06 20:47:04 https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/planet-computers-gemini-4g-pda/824323063-173-2102 Mar 06 20:47:41 what a rip-off Mar 06 20:49:49 lol Mar 06 20:49:54 collection editon Mar 06 20:50:00 collectors Mar 06 21:06:44 dude is nuts Mar 06 21:18:17 serp_, Mar 06 21:18:20 I just had confirmation from Robin that it's just the 4G model that has been produced in the first batch. He says "we had to batch produce 4G units first with the Wifi batch pushed back into April." He adds that Planet are working hard to catch up on production. Mar 06 21:18:20 Which means that we Wifi model backers will have to contain our excitement a little longer and stop checking our order status on a daily basis (I'm not the only one, right?) The good news being that the Wifi model may avoid some of the early troubles, and hopefully will have the X27 installed. Mar 06 21:18:39 by one of the backers on the fb page Mar 06 21:20:21 never mind i misread the content Mar 06 21:21:04 steve-marinos: which part do you take back? :) Mar 06 21:21:40 [OffTopic]: Slack are discontinuing irc and xmpp gateways in may. What a shame :( Mar 06 21:21:46 all of it lol Mar 06 21:22:11 heh Mar 06 21:22:15 good Mar 06 21:22:22 serp_, this one will interest you Mar 06 21:22:24 highly unscientific battery life results for those interested! so i started using my device on sunday, this evening was the first time charging it since then and i was worried about overheating as per another users post but it seems ok. the screen did get warm so i left the device open so that the heat could dissipate effectively. right now its at 95% and still charging but i have also noted it charges quite fast. all that being said, im very impress Mar 06 21:22:24 ed with battery life thus far as i was hammering the device all of sunday installing apps etc and sporadically using it yesterday/today. the screen on time was pretty good i thought. Mar 06 21:22:24 what have your experiences been? feel free to post your SoT too. Mar 06 21:22:25 PS. has anyone got the dictionary/autocorrect/punctuation to work? im posting this using chrome on facebook and as you can see no corrections have been made Mar 06 21:23:26 oh wow No wifi models until April. Doesn't affect me (Im hi 6k wifi order) but I'd be unhappy if I was a low order number for a Wifi model Mar 06 21:23:48 WorkingClassDev, Mar 06 21:23:52 yeap Mar 06 21:24:09 steve-marinos: didn't you say that was a bad paste? Mar 06 21:24:35 this one is the battery life Mar 06 21:24:49 WorkingClassDev referenced the earlier wifi message Mar 06 21:24:50