**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 07 03:00:01 2018 Mar 07 03:51:02 so it looks like the gemini will charge off any USB-C when turned off but only USB-A when turned on looks like it is an android issue Mar 07 09:22:24 > so it looks like the gemini will charge off any USB-C when turned off but only USB-A when turned on looks like it is an android issue Mar 07 09:22:25 That's not been my experience serp_. Where areyou getting this information from? Which USB C chargers? Mar 07 09:45:58 you mean a usb-a charger with a usb-c connector? i didn't follow Mar 07 09:46:12 usb-c plug i mean Mar 07 09:52:58 Battery life is impressive. I'm trying to get it down to 5% to try and repro the overheating issue mentioned on Fb. 2 days off charge, and still at 30%! Mar 07 09:54:33 try running some android game or demo Mar 07 09:54:48 or benchmark Mar 07 09:54:54 anything made with unity should run down the battery quickly Mar 07 10:53:53 :D Mar 07 11:02:03 cowboycoder: Are you thinking of using some kind of fast charger to reproduce the issue? Mar 07 11:08:13 no, one of the ones it was supplied with Mar 07 11:09:07 had only charged it from the laptop so far Mar 07 11:11:09 Yeah, just thought that it'd be interesting to see the charging current in the original posting. Mar 07 11:11:45 As lithium heats up with the current naturally, and from 5% to full it gets a pretty long time to heat up. Mar 07 11:27:55 I fast charged my gpd pocket from empty to full with kernel version that supported fast charging and it got quite hot, so I was thinking if it's just that the battery heat warning is set quite low and nobody tested it with full charge cycle. Mar 07 11:29:02 GPD pocket charging felt super hazardous in other ways too, like it didn't stop charging at all if you had powered it down. Mar 07 11:30:36 But oh well, we have been carrying these mini bombs in our mobile phones for a decade and still people are not hurting themselves in large quantities with them :) Mar 07 11:33:15 :) true Mar 07 11:33:40 though I have seen a few old batteries start to bulge worryingly Mar 07 11:33:51 Yeah, i've had a few too. Mar 07 11:34:17 None of them exploded though. Original macbook air bulged so badly that i had to straighen the base plate :) Mar 07 11:34:24 never had it happen on a phone... but had a battery 'bulge' on an ancient Macbook...scary stuff! Mar 07 11:34:52 I think i still have it laying around somewhere, i was going to shoot it and see what happens... Mar 07 11:36:08 I was planning to avoid using fast-charge for that same reason, unless absolutely necessary Mar 07 11:36:45 It also degrades the battery faster when you fast charge. Mar 07 11:37:07 Not that I really care if we can find the battery vendor for the spares. Mar 07 11:37:36 Because if you can get >500 cycles anyway I wouldn't bother to optimize my chargings. Mar 07 11:38:20 unless it get's so bad that it can't last a day 'out and about' I'm not that bothered Mar 07 11:38:48 especially if spares can be had on ebay Mar 07 11:39:09 Yeah. Have you googled the battery serial numbers? Mar 07 11:42:26 no Mar 07 11:42:58 They often give you the original manufacturer and a ebay link :) Mar 07 11:45:57 :) Mar 07 12:33:54 bulged lipos don't tend to burn unless they are punctured by something sharp Mar 07 12:34:12 i've burned bunch of bulged rc lipos in past.. Mar 07 15:03:30 good day all, just snooping while I wait for my order (#3xxx) to be fulfilled ;-) Mar 07 15:13:16 hi LondonDario Mar 07 15:13:34 I'm also waiting for my order :) Mar 07 15:14:42 As of Friday, I'll have been waiting for a year :| Mar 07 15:18:25 I'm a relative newbie, only sent my order in November 2017... I was torn between the GPD Pocket and the Gemini but the keyboard was the decider! Like many said before in this community, I am a keyboard "fetishist" since the early 90s with a Psion 3mx and a Thinkpad 701C (butterfly keyboard) Mar 07 15:19:01 have been looking for the perfect portable keyboard platform for year and my drawer of bluetooth keyboards speaks volumes ;-) Mar 07 15:21:51 ditto, LondonDario - must have gone through half-a-dozen BT keyboards (including one of those laser-projector devices) but none worked as well as the Psions of old... Mar 07 15:23:45 ehehehe canny, not surprised... rare that a crowdfunding project reaches a small and very focused group united by a specific nostalgia ;-) Mar 07 15:25:45 I would say that my best BT keyboard was the Palm V's one https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8OdPN5oK/41P54K1P6SL.jpg Mar 07 15:26:33 good travel and clicking action and pocketable... nothing like the Psion 5 though :) Mar 07 15:27:53 btw, this might have come up before but I saw quite a lot of members of the Gemini community are from Japan and a while ago this project showed up https://hackaday.com/2016/07/08/beautiful-raspberry-pi-laptop-inspired-by-psion/ Mar 07 15:28:34 unfortunately the creator only briefly sold kits for that and I have been wondering if anyone else ever had a go at trying to build one? Mar 07 15:29:17 I had the WinCE version of one of these (actually more than one of them!) : http://tidbits.com/resources/2014-10/Palm-keyboard-unfolded.jpg Mar 07 15:30:11 yep canny... same here with an iPAQ ;-) Mar 07 15:30:40 hacked to run linux might I add! ;-) Mar 07 15:31:20 Was the pi laptop produces? Mar 07 15:31:28 Produced Mar 07 15:32:29 nope steve-marinos, the RasPSION inventor only made a few kits and sold them off... if you want a commercial RasPI laptop, check https://pi-top.com/ but it's a bit expensive for my liking Mar 07 15:32:42 brb, work calls... apologies Mar 07 15:33:27 Tyt Mar 07 15:34:38 Nah the other design looked more appealing Mar 07 16:13:17 indeed steve-marinos, problem is the latter is available for purchase aplenty, the former doesn't really exist anymore from what I can tell... only our Japanese friends may able to figure it out ;-) Mar 07 16:14:59 yes my gemini charges off with a usb-c to usb-c charger Mar 07 16:15:04 but on only with a to c Mar 07 16:19:53 That sounds like the sort of thing that can be fixed at some point via software then. Mar 07 16:22:56 yea looks like a firmware/android issue Mar 07 16:35:02 well, interesting update Mar 07 16:38:00 "Screw you guys, early backers." Mar 07 16:38:47 I mean, they're technically correct but those of us who took an early risk are losing out. Mar 07 16:39:59 I imagine the factory told them the same thing Mar 07 16:40:07 not going to foot the bill for replacement units Mar 07 16:40:30 wow gemini scamming Mar 07 16:40:35 PC scamming Mar 07 16:40:39 they should offer something to us backers Mar 07 16:40:58 We can confirm that everyone that has received or will receive the Gemini with the X25 processor would have backed the project at the point where the specification was for the X25 processor. All backers that have backed the product as an X27 device will receive the Helio X27 board. The chips are very similar and we are yet to measure any performance difference. Mar 07 16:41:02 false Mar 07 16:41:22 The power consumption is the piece I'd be most concerned about. Mar 07 16:41:28 yea exactly Mar 07 16:41:33 25% difference Mar 07 16:41:41 But, I backed it when it was an X25 so I got what I paid for (and I paid to back, rather than paid for a device). Mar 07 16:41:51 but obviously some people will get an x27 when they had backed earlier Mar 07 16:41:55 the factory is apologizizng Mar 07 16:41:57 25% difference? does it use different tech processs? Mar 07 16:41:59 what does that mean for anyone? nothing Mar 07 16:42:03 *process Mar 07 16:42:17 It's not making me feel fuzzy feelings towards PC obviously. Mar 07 16:42:17 because otherwise I can't see how overclocked SoC can be more power efficient Mar 07 16:42:43 I'm assuming more modern silicon so some power improvements as a result of that. Mar 07 16:42:47 we are yet to measure any performance difference. Mar 07 16:42:52 that is a slap in the face Mar 07 16:42:55 Rather than it being identical silicon that's just clocked faster. Mar 07 16:43:00 like they are equivalent chips Mar 07 16:43:14 we are yet to measure any performance difference (because we don't have an x27 to test with) heh Mar 07 16:43:31 they claimed up to 25% better power consumption Mar 07 16:43:40 how did they make those claims Mar 07 16:43:42 Planet or MediaTek? Mar 07 16:43:51 ah well, I expected a bumpy launch Mar 07 16:44:21 at least offer some compensation Mar 07 16:44:22 Same 20nm process for X20/X25/X27. Mar 07 16:44:31 even if its a voucher for gemini2 Mar 07 16:44:36 this kind of thing is bad for if they crowdfund v2 Mar 07 16:44:39 some amount off Mar 07 16:44:49 Ah. Up to 25% for the *display power consumption*. Mar 07 16:45:09 And only in relation to dynamic changes based on lighting and screen content. Mar 07 16:45:15 So probably vastly overhyped. Mar 07 16:45:27 regardless it is better in some aspects than what we got Mar 07 16:45:32 Sure. Mar 07 16:45:32 so if it didn't need any software changes it's probably same chip clocked sligtly different Mar 07 16:45:38 I'd say free case if it didn't look cheap to me Mar 07 16:45:40 and was supposed to make up for them not including the double battery Mar 07 16:46:02 Oh, no compass. Mar 07 16:46:47 PC's next update will be the factory is very sorry no compass was included but we can confirm everyone would have bacaked the project regardless Mar 07 16:46:59 what does no compass mean, no direction pointing in google maps?? Mar 07 16:47:16 Yeah, think so. It's never right on my phone anyway. :) Mar 07 16:47:18 then why advertise it should just underpromise and overdeliver Mar 07 16:47:32 if they had not said anything about the x27 and randomly included it after 1000 units that would have been a good surprise Mar 07 16:47:44 expectation managment poor Mar 07 16:47:58 communication very poor Mar 07 16:47:58 I'm more annoyed about the non-standard USB-C ports. Mar 07 16:48:05 Did I see you can't charge through a hub? Mar 07 16:48:14 yea noodles cheap asses didn't want to pay for a HDMI chip and the license fees Mar 07 16:48:18 And it doesn't work with a standard USB-C -> HDMI adaptor. Mar 07 16:48:21 right Mar 07 16:48:25 Even though I thought the chip was in the adaptor. Mar 07 16:48:29 i think you can use a usb hub on the right side port and charge on the left side port Mar 07 16:48:36 USB-C just requires DisplayPort, not HDMI. Mar 07 16:48:42 noodles X25/27 doesnt have a HDMI out Mar 07 16:49:08 I tried my USB-C/HDMI adaptor just to be sure. No joy. :( Mar 07 16:49:22 I'd settle for USB-C -> Thunderbolt working properly. Mar 07 16:49:28 Wouldn't using displaylink be a better alternative? Mar 07 16:49:34 yea Mar 07 16:49:45 casting or display link works as well Mar 07 16:49:52 DisplayLink is a terrible, terrible solution with no open drivers. Mar 07 16:50:24 Worse than what we have? Mar 07 16:50:27 when linux comes out different story :) Mar 07 16:51:27 how about no LTE in US Mar 07 16:51:30 another oversight Mar 07 16:51:38 potate[m]: I doubt there are ARM64 Android drivers for DisplayLink. Mar 07 16:51:59 serp_: I have no sympathy for US phone network stuff. Mar 07 16:52:14 (Though do they really not support any LTE there? Band issue?) Mar 07 16:52:29 x25 allows up to 6gb of ram vs x27 4gb Mar 07 16:52:31 correct? Mar 07 16:52:35 looking at spec sheet Mar 07 16:54:40 Looks like Gemini does not support compass Mar 07 16:54:55 hello boys Mar 07 16:55:21 well we have our compensation Mar 07 16:55:24 for the x27 debacle Mar 07 16:55:29 the compensation is..... Mar 07 16:55:32 The factory has apologized. Mar 07 16:55:32 drum roll.... Mar 07 16:55:41 yeah I just seen this post Mar 07 16:56:07 Planet had no reason to suspect that the units were not X27 as expected. Mar 07 16:56:14 yes the first one coming off the line should have been tested Mar 07 16:56:24 you make sure the specs are proper Mar 07 16:56:46 their focus was on WMC Mar 07 16:56:59 this was prior to MWC Mar 07 16:57:08 they must have had at least one x27 powered gemini Mar 07 16:57:16 yeah but preparations needs a lot of time Mar 07 16:57:21 or the first x27 gemini's went to backers? Mar 07 16:58:02 but to be honest lets say I did not like what I read in that post Mar 07 16:58:22 specially the one that received their devices are the very early backers Mar 07 16:58:32 should have at least given a discount or some sort of benefit on the next gemini Mar 07 16:58:58 anyways might be just someone trying to make a mess Mar 07 16:59:28 lets wait PC for their annoucement/update Mar 07 17:00:22 PC is not an honest company Mar 07 17:00:27 their update will always be blaming on someone else Mar 07 17:00:43 the factory is not selling the product it is PC Mar 07 17:00:48 can't blame the tier one producer Mar 07 17:02:35 to what I have understood from that, seems the 1st batch was always meant to receive the X25 cpu Mar 07 17:03:40 they must have had at least one x27 powered gemini Mar 07 17:03:44 it clearly states they didn't Mar 07 17:03:50 I mean the update Mar 07 17:04:31 there is an update ? Mar 07 17:04:44 NotKit, ? Mar 07 17:05:05 I meant the latest one on IGG Mar 07 17:05:09 reading it Mar 07 17:05:27 "All of the Gemini pre-production prototypes that we received by the factory in the past months always contained the X25 chip. We expected the X27 chip only on the production line." Mar 07 17:07:29 NotKit, Mar 07 17:07:36 yeah I read it just now Mar 07 17:07:51 serp_: what do you know about the factory (tier one producer) ? Mar 07 17:10:44 unknown they haven't said who it is but it seems as if the factory is doing the engineering for the PCB Mar 07 17:10:54 serp_, is that your post? https://imgur.com/a/csSpv Mar 07 17:11:04 no Mar 07 17:11:20 serp_, then someone is having your issue Mar 07 17:12:09 I believe a number of cpu was already in stock Mar 07 17:12:15 X25 Mar 07 17:13:38 serp_: but you said it's a tier one producer, whatever that means Mar 07 17:13:50 there are countless factories in china Mar 07 17:13:54 tier one is an outsourced producer Mar 07 17:13:59 that does design Mar 07 17:14:04 and assembly Mar 07 17:14:21 maybe this was the plan all along Mar 07 17:14:49 in this scenario PC is the OEM and the "factory" is the tier one they source everything and aessentially give PC a manufactured product Mar 07 17:15:05 at least on the factory's part Mar 07 17:15:17 factory and PC have a contract Mar 07 17:15:26 PC can enforce the contract that they didn't get what was provided Mar 07 17:15:36 but then that would likely screw up future orders Mar 07 17:16:09 sad but true Mar 07 17:16:13 still "ORDER PLACED" here Mar 07 17:16:22 can't wait Mar 07 17:17:02 I think it's basically they want to get all the orders fulfilled asap Mar 07 17:17:13 forget about x25 x27, just asap Mar 07 17:17:57 yea but claiming that "EVERYONE in the first 1000' would have backed regardless is a bit much Mar 07 17:18:04 they need to offer some compensation that is what is fair Mar 07 17:18:23 at the end of the day PC is the one liable not the factory or anyone else Mar 07 17:18:48 but planet says that it wasn't even their suggestion to use x27 Mar 07 17:22:42 Getting hot on the indiegogo page Mar 07 17:22:53 yet they told all the backers they were using it Mar 07 17:24:48 people going crazy Mar 07 17:25:21 i mean if they weren't going to compensate the emai should have essentially said we apologize but we hope to offer the first 1000 backers on this project a perk/discount on our next device in development Mar 07 17:25:35 that would be palatable Mar 07 17:25:43 good point jeffers, the challenge for PC was always going to be to fulfill all orders... let's hope they succeed. Mar 07 17:26:11 is there anyway to disble the lock screen in android? Mar 07 17:28:02 found it security -> screenlock -> set to none Mar 07 17:28:03 much better Mar 07 17:29:04 let's spend some time praying for the qwerty gods for helping revive the qwerty Mar 07 17:30:08 true Mar 07 17:30:12 i love my device Mar 07 17:30:14 glad I got it Mar 07 17:30:55 i'm ready to back the next version if there'll be one Mar 07 17:31:05 hopefully there is Mar 07 17:31:17 i hope its smaller but similar keyboard Mar 07 17:31:19 revo sized Mar 07 17:33:28 did you see the other campaign that the ceo of PC has going that has huge complaints Mar 07 17:33:31 the handheld sinclair thing? Mar 07 17:33:45 no Mar 07 17:36:14 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-sinclair-zx-spectrum-vega-plus-console-games/x/16092770#/comments Mar 07 17:36:30 the comments are horrible Mar 07 17:36:32 Justin King 4 hours ago The half a million pound scam! I bet poor old Sir Clive is embarrassed to have been associated with you. You’ve not even got the decency to reply, you really are snakes!!! Mar 07 17:54:08 Planet released an update early on to address the Janko/Sinclair thing Mar 07 17:57:37 posted an update, I should say; last March. Mar 07 17:59:39 does PC have anything to do with the sinclair thing Mar 07 17:59:56 yea Janko runs both Mar 07 18:00:31 Although I hear Janko came on board late to that project... Mar 07 18:00:44 steve-marinos: They posted an update about it on March 20th, 2017 if you want to go back and see what they have to say about it Mar 07 18:00:58 on the PC updates page? Mar 07 18:01:29 on the Gemini Indiegogo page Mar 07 18:01:34 echicken, no not really, at this stage I hope i can get my device before anything collapse lol Mar 07 18:01:40 unforch I can't find a way to link to a particular update Mar 07 18:02:23 just take a screenshot post on imager.com and paste the link Mar 07 18:02:49 anyway, their line is that Janko joined the Vega project after crowdfunding had ended, as 'Technical Director', after two members of their board resigned Mar 07 18:03:41 so it is not actually PC Mar 07 18:03:54 what’s the problem? you early backers got X25, but also 8000mah battery and 2880x1440 video, right? Mar 07 18:04:05 no Mar 07 18:04:26 all the new specs with the X25 Mar 07 18:04:37 yep we got it all Mar 07 18:04:42 we got a compass as well Mar 07 18:04:46 fingerprint reader Mar 07 18:04:48 the whole 9 Mar 07 18:06:03 The new firmware, based on Linux, has been delivered and the first production of the Vega Plus has now been completed. For the purpose of clarity, Mar 07 18:06:10 just figuring that if PC wants to throw one of the original specs at you, they ought to deliver all the original specs. Mar 07 18:06:22 vega plus is still DOA Mar 07 18:07:04 i would be happy with the keyboard being mapped to what is on the keyfaces Mar 07 18:07:07 depscribe[m], that would be the best argument Mar 07 18:07:10 right now uS and UK keyboards are the same Mar 07 18:07:45 did the update didn't change anything Mar 07 18:09:56 We are excited to announce that we have signed the manufacturing and development agreement with the ODM and factory. Mar 07 18:10:05 in that development agreement i am sure it said x27 Mar 07 18:15:25 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/18/retro_computers_ltd_52k_court_costs_repayment_order/ Mar 07 18:15:45 RCL itself, its chairman David Levy, managing director Suzanne Martin and fellow director Janko Mrsic-Flogel must pay Andrews and Smith – £52,520.12 by 30 May. Levy, Martin and Mrsic-Flogel are jointly liable for the debt. Sir Mar 07 18:30:10 some people are really unhappy to say the least with the last PC update ... Mar 07 18:30:12 5 minutes ago Mar 07 18:30:12 Dr Janko signed the business agreement with Chinese Factory. I want to check the business agreement content. Please disclose it. Mar 07 18:33:55 Just a question, is there any legal protection for backers on such crowd funding projects ? Mar 07 18:35:45 i’m 3964 and i figure by the time they get to me i will receive a rebadged casio pocket calculator supporting decimals out to two places and a percent key that doesn’t work. along with a promise of a firmware upgrade rsn. Mar 07 18:35:59 very few, the Vega case has been breaking new ground from what I can tell Mar 07 18:36:33 https://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/206389917-Does-Indiegogo-Guarantee-Perks- Mar 07 18:38:07 crowdfunding is basically a gamble Mar 07 18:39:06 Most of the early backers (those who will get a X25) paid 50$ less anyway, so already got the discount... Mar 07 18:40:00 keep rationalizing why the early backers got screwed there were people over number 1000 that paid the same price that get x27 Mar 07 18:40:19 NotKit, thank you for the link, cowboyoder yeah now I know Mar 07 18:41:02 now what if gemini breaks i wonder if they will stand behind product Mar 07 18:41:04 crowdfunding is explicitly a gift of money to some peope who have an idea you like, with the possibility that you might potentially get a free thing as thank you Mar 07 18:41:10 Its not a you paid less you get less, its a cheeky factory saying we don't have enough X25's for everyone so we'll give you X27's and then realising they've still got a few X25's to get rid of so pop those out first Mar 07 18:41:35 there is no warranaty information included with my gemini Mar 07 18:41:41 @leinir +1 Mar 07 18:42:28 so the people that supported later get more free "gifts" than those that supported earlier Mar 07 18:42:29 @adam_b I bet that's exactly what has happened Mar 07 18:42:43 if its an idea its an idea Mar 07 18:42:51 but usually its the same idea Mar 07 18:43:05 leinir: thats the way I've generally thought of it, which is why I've always been miffed when they post things and don't put 'gift' on it so you end up having to pay half the price again to customs to get the dammed thing Mar 07 18:43:25 you are an early adopter, since when was that ever a great way to get super high quality products? Mar 07 18:43:49 I really don't have a problem with it. I backed a modern android/linux capable device with a Riddiford designed keyboard Mar 07 18:44:02 that's what I got :) Mar 07 18:44:20 adam_b: Yeah... it's the legal situation for the things you get, so it does seem very strange they don't do that gift thing when well... they have proof that's what the situation is, with court cases stating as much and whatnot... it's al a bit silly Mar 07 18:44:35 I have a problem with the principle of them not saying we screwed up we should have checked it but if you back us again it won't happen and here is a perk for a future PC product Mar 07 18:44:46 to me that is the way to handle it costs them nothing and they retain good will Mar 07 18:44:49 that is my issue Mar 07 18:45:25 @serp_ that would be a nice gesture, and yeah, they should have fessed up sooner, or even better checked a unit out beforeit left the factory... Mar 07 18:45:37 serp_: So, why are you telling us this, and not formulating a letter (possibly even an open one, perhaps with some signatures from other people, i'm sure you'll be able to find them) to Planet, describing the situation as you see it? Mar 07 18:46:02 I want to see how PC handles all the other issues (quality etc) Mar 07 18:46:06 then i will act accordingly Mar 07 18:46:08 Or do you just like ranting to people who don't have any way of fixing anything... Mar 07 18:46:28 because... that seems a waste of energy to me, but it's not my energy, so, i guess, your choice :) Mar 07 18:47:00 leinir, he is just expressing his feelings and thoughts Mar 07 18:47:53 I thought this was a place to talk about the product Mar 07 18:47:58 I apologize that you see my thoughts as ranting Mar 07 18:48:15 Next time I will read the TOU and keep my mouth shut Mar 07 18:48:28 to be honest even that I have not yet received my device and won't till end of april I was really thinking of making a letter to Robin Mar 07 18:49:42 the way I see it, it could have been me also "maybe all of us" in the same boat Mar 07 18:49:53 matter of principals and integrity Mar 07 18:50:16 steve-marinos please do not talk about such things it is seen as ranting and raving and you should not express your opinion Mar 07 18:50:27 the leinir gestapo will scold you Mar 07 18:50:33 ban me :P Mar 07 18:51:46 come on peeps we are all in the same project, but i do seriously put myself in the early backers shoes and I feel it was harsh and unfair, and PC did not deal with it Mar 07 18:51:56 yea i agree Mar 07 18:52:05 people saying deal with it you got what you paid for is bs Mar 07 18:52:19 why even have specs or updates? Mar 07 18:52:29 might as well just say pay us and you will get a box take it or leave it Mar 07 18:53:02 maybe they did in a wrapped up gift package Mar 07 18:53:15 so far not so good if you ask me Mar 07 18:53:15 such drama Mar 07 18:53:20 speaking of there is no warranty document Mar 07 18:53:31 did anyone get a warranty card? Mar 07 18:53:55 akik, the real drama is on indiegogo comment section Mar 07 18:54:18 here we are just friends hanging out putting our thoughts on the table Mar 07 18:55:13 and since not all of us have the device nothing technical to speak off Mar 07 18:55:23 or tips sharing Mar 07 18:55:38 i need a beer and lunch Mar 07 18:55:55 hopefully TheKit[m] have good news for us on the linux side Mar 07 18:56:01 TheKit[m], :) Mar 07 18:56:20 serp_, am having coffee after a long day driving Mar 07 18:56:36 steve-marinos: about the first batch being 4g models Mar 07 18:56:47 steve-marinos: where did you see that? Mar 07 18:56:57 because i backed the 4g model Mar 07 18:57:05 akik it was an update Mar 07 18:57:15 on facebook i think Mar 07 18:57:54 akik, i really cannot remember at the moment Mar 07 18:58:00 i'll try google Mar 07 18:58:12 Would be nice if they collated these 'updates' they share on facebook and in the comments into a proper Update. Mar 07 18:58:15 but i usually back what i say with a link or imgur Mar 07 18:59:01 echicken, there is a section on oesf.org forum for these Mar 07 18:59:10 found it https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688 Mar 07 18:59:14 what isn't mentioned there I try to add it Mar 07 18:59:38 sorry wrong url ^- https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/permalink/1804379176529790/ Mar 07 18:59:58 bleh, oesf forum :| Mar 07 19:01:03 I just dislike having to scour several different places for the latest news on this one thing. Mar 07 19:01:52 echicken, wait you meant PC ? Mar 07 19:02:14 echicken: the official updates are on indiegogo, also in the comments section there Mar 07 19:02:37 echicken, what akik said Mar 07 19:02:52 echicken, i misread your comment Mar 07 19:03:09 wow so no swap out for x25 people then going by the update ? Mar 07 19:03:15 just got home and read it Mar 07 19:03:39 WorkingClassDev, nope the early backers took the hit Mar 07 19:03:52 well they got a factory apology :P Mar 07 19:04:11 steve-marinos: according to that facebook post, if by hit you mean x25, also 4g backers too it Mar 07 19:04:14 That could do a lot of goodwill damage as the spec by the time manu started was x27 Mar 07 19:04:37 akik: I can't recall now, but it seems like they've said some stuff on facebook that hasn't been on Indiegogo; maybe not. Not crazy about digging through the comments on Indiegogo looking for there replies. Mar 07 19:04:41 *their Mar 07 19:04:50 oh well, gives me something else to do to pass the time. Mar 07 19:05:06 is the gemini nice? Mar 07 19:05:28 anyone here has one? Mar 07 19:05:37 WorkingClassDev, it did some damage, can be read in the indiegogo comment section Mar 07 19:05:52 akik, them too Mar 07 19:05:54 I've not got to that yet. Gonna go buy popcorn first Mar 07 19:06:14 WorkingClassDev, get extra Mar 07 19:06:17 you will need it Mar 07 19:06:25 Salted no less ;-) Mar 07 19:06:30 janetheripper, the ones that got the Gemini love them Mar 07 19:06:57 WorkingClassDev, please get me some with you Mar 07 19:07:09 but i already had my share Mar 07 19:07:16 you will see me posting too Mar 07 19:07:36 my esc keep has become wobbily Mar 07 19:07:41 but i was on an another channel from everyone else Mar 07 19:07:41 like too much lateral movement Mar 07 19:07:43 hope it cleans up Mar 07 19:08:03 can i run a custom android on it? Mar 07 19:08:11 serp_, some said after using the keyboard more it settled Mar 07 19:08:24 yea the other keys were stuck or stiff Mar 07 19:08:26 this one is wobbily Mar 07 19:08:51 janetheripper, there is a way but lets say it is not yet mature Mar 07 19:09:03 ty Mar 07 19:09:11 serp_, do you remember who was trying to add twrp yesterday? Mar 07 19:09:20 serp_, was it you? Mar 07 19:09:30 no Mar 07 19:09:42 guess it was DaPol2 Mar 07 19:09:56 steve-marinos: Noodles Mar 07 19:10:09 akik, yeah Mar 07 19:10:18 and he was on a plane with 2 devices Mar 07 19:11:08 janetheripper, your welcome Mar 07 19:11:20 TheKit[m], is quiet tonight Mar 07 19:11:30 day Mar 07 19:11:37 depends on location Mar 07 19:12:28 When I was using my gemini as a phone yesterday in public people were looking at me like iw as nuts Mar 07 19:12:53 like a crazy person using a fisher price toy or something Mar 07 19:13:25 "Like your palm pilot? What ya gonna do next... Send a fax?" Mar 07 19:13:27 :D Mar 07 19:13:48 serp_: why? Mar 07 19:13:59 you are holding a closed clamshell to your ear Mar 07 19:14:03 it is weird looking i assume Mar 07 19:14:27 and the gemini is not small for any sort of measure Mar 07 19:14:30 it looks like a toy Mar 07 19:14:37 damn people are dumb Mar 07 19:14:43 :) Mar 07 19:15:01 i can see why it makes you look nuts Mar 07 19:15:16 what makes it look weird? it's a phone Mar 07 19:15:16 holding a closed clamshell that looks like an old school electronic thesaurus up to your ear Mar 07 19:15:31 yea but just doesn't look like one Mar 07 19:15:32 no screen Mar 07 19:15:46 i would understand if you held it perpendicular to your head Mar 07 19:16:00 akik, when you get yours tell us what the public reaction :D Mar 07 19:16:12 i don't care about public reaction Mar 07 19:16:22 neithr do I Mar 07 19:16:25