**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 08 03:00:04 2018 Mar 08 04:07:38 just ordered the camera module I think it maybe useful if you can rotate the gemini in portrait mode with the keyboard open to take photos Mar 08 04:08:42 wish auto rotate worked properly have to keep rotating using the planet computer key Mar 08 04:25:10 the guy going crazy on indiegogo comments Mar 08 04:25:33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYH6Y3V1_Us Mar 08 04:43:26 Hi Mar 08 08:19:57 depscribe[m], about your post on foum Mar 08 08:20:00 *forum Mar 08 08:20:32 Debian TP they published can pretty much run LibreOffice and GIMP Mar 08 08:21:23 but I have yet to see meaningful feedback on that, which is kinda... discouraging Mar 08 08:27:08 It's still early days. I imagine people are waiting for a bit more development from PC first before flashing. Mar 08 09:14:22 NotKit: A friend flashed the Debian image and had issues with the keyboard so went back to Android. Mar 08 09:14:28 I haven't got around to trying it yet. Mar 08 09:18:43 Noodles, layout is not configured, yes, that is going to be address in later images Mar 08 09:33:15 serp_: regarding call audio, are you sure your device isn't faulty? i heard praise about the audio quality. Mar 08 09:33:46 for example https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34811&st=0#entry284665 Mar 08 09:35:49 A question for all the current Gemini owners: is there a separate jack for a power supply/charger, or does the device only charge via its left USB port, and hence the supplied charger has an USB plug? Mar 08 09:36:00 I’m now updating the fast-charging thread, some months ago I got the impression that the supplied power charger would use a separate power jack (since a separate charger was also announced, and that one was labeled as an USB-C one), but it seems I was wrong Mar 08 09:38:17 It's just a fairly standard looking USB charger, with a USB A-C lead Mar 08 09:39:46 thanks for confirming my doubts Mar 08 09:41:40 it wouldn't have much sense to have two different ports for charging, anyway Mar 08 09:50:18 I'm wondering if there's a smaller USB A to C adapter so I can use my yubikey or plain old memory stick without using the hub Mar 08 15:26:21 TheKit — Is there a micro SD format read by both the Linus side and the Android side? Until Linux telephony works, I will need to work in Linux, save it, and reboot to Android to send it. Clunky, but temporarily doable, I suppose. I’m hoping the two sides can at least have common document storage. Mar 08 15:26:40 vfat for sure Mar 08 15:34:54 this says ext4 should be supported https://androidmodguide.blogspot.fi/p/file-systems.html Mar 08 15:36:00 but probably fat32 aka vfat would be most compatible with other devices also Mar 08 15:44:32 cos- (IRC): ext4 would be good. the choices for big cards are limited. Mar 08 15:49:00 hmmm a encrypted volume for both android and linux would be very nice Mar 08 15:50:37 btw can you use normal gparted or other tools to modify the partitions on gemini? Mar 08 15:57:51 hmmm maybe with eds(-lite): http://sovworks.com/eds/ Mar 08 15:57:52 (encrypted volume on sd card) Mar 08 15:58:14 devyl: looks interesting! Mar 08 16:03:50 cos-, it has normal GPT, so in theory yes, but not very helpful, as Android userdata is encrypted by default, so you can't resize it Mar 08 16:07:25 TheKit (IRC): so the android side can read linux data but not the other way around? or am i misunderstanding what you mean? Mar 08 16:08:12 you can mount Linux partition with root in Android, but not by default Mar 08 16:08:41 Just mount the Android /data/ under Linux? Mar 08 16:27:31 Noodles, need to root Android and remove forcencrypt from its fstab in boot.img Mar 08 16:34:08 Ah, didn't realise it was encrypting by default. Mar 08 16:56:33 TheKit (IRC): Do we know if Sailfish OS behaves more like standard Linux in access to other partitions? Mar 08 17:00:52 does anyone else's gemini charge when off on usb-c to c? Mar 08 17:34:57 depscribe[m], it does, but it won't automount other partitions by default Mar 08 18:23:35 TheKit: Though presumably it can be caused to do so in fstab, yes? Mar 08 18:23:49 yes, or through systemd Mar 08 21:57:11 TheKit I was wondering about the video situation under linux. I know there is your work on xf86-video-hwcomposer which seems like a great solution for 3D (and does it also provide xvideo?). I was wondering if there is any (potential) route for video decoding acceleration Mar 08 21:57:15 ? Mar 08 21:57:47 VAAPI or VDPAU or something else? I don't know how android does it Mar 08 22:06:23 From a cursory glance I can't see anything that suggests XVideo extensions in the xf86-video-hwcomposer code. I guess that we would need at least that to provide tear-free software decoding? Mar 08 22:13:33 Though IIRC mplayer/vlc can use gl es to render, at least with some unofficial plugins, so maybe that will work. Mar 08 22:14:36 You also mentioned that there was a route to getting bluetooth working, was wondering if you could elaborate Mar 08 22:28:28 munchausen, glamor provides xv, but, sadly, there are some performance issues with it compared to unaccelerated Xorg Mar 08 22:29:04 munchausen, as for video decoding... there is gst-droid and lately gst-omx plugins to gstreamer Mar 08 22:34:00 regarding Bluetooth, that's how Ubuntu did it for their tablet: https://github.com/ubports/kernel_bq_m10/commit/18ce36c8950f73df6c874f65d6862905a69e4286. We should be able to use similar driver, I could get hci0 to appear, but BlueZ fails to init it with "Endpoint is not connected", maybe init sequence is still wrong. Mar 08 22:35:31 TheKit , in regards to accelerated video, would it not be possible to do it like libreelec , use libhybris and Android gralloc Mali driver to provide OpenGL for Kodi ? This would not work within a X session though and not sure about rotation. Mar 08 22:36:07 libreelec / kodi can tap maybe into the hevc and x264 hw accel too ? Mar 08 22:37:16 that all would be out of scope for debian of course, maybe a seperate port of libreelec required Mar 08 22:39:34 we can provide OpenGL ES for any player through EGL interface Mar 08 22:39:39 So we can decode fine but might have issues actually pushing it to the screen? Kind of funny Mar 08 22:40:01 But yeah I think GLES/EGL should be OK Mar 08 22:40:48 EGL will work on mpv or mplayer I believe, what about the HW decoding capablilties of the SoC ? Mar 08 22:40:53 There are plugins. I mean in fact there are several opengl shims for GL ES so you could always use one of those with a video player that supports GL Mar 08 22:41:00 munchausen, no, need gstreamer with plugins for HW decoding Mar 08 22:42:22 So I guess you mean that gst-droid is untested Mar 08 22:42:23 ? Mar 08 22:45:04 munchausen, on "normal" Linux, yes. it's used by Sailfish and lately Plasma Mobile, so it's tested for other devices, but there are colorspace issues in Sailfish port which were not debugged yet. Mar 08 22:45:32 Cool ok so that looks useable Mar 08 22:45:52 Looking at bluetooth. Which mediatek is in that tablet? Mar 08 22:45:58 I guess it's an older one? Mar 08 22:46:33 MT8163A Mar 08 22:47:02 Just found it Mar 08 22:47:04 :) Mar 08 22:47:20 it's older one, but they are not supposed to dramatically change how bluetooth stack works, MediaTek proprietary driver acts like a loader for BlueDroid Mar 08 22:48:07 https://gitlab.com/mt6797/vendor/tree/ALPS-MP-M0.MP9-V1.78.1_NB6797_6C_M/mediatek/proprietary/hardware/connectivity/bluetooth/driver/bluedroid - here it is Mar 08 22:48:37 it does initialization parts that old kernel driver from MediaTek used to do for BlueZ Mar 08 22:51:12 Hmm ok. So it looks like pretty much everything except cellular connectivity is in reach, with a bit of work Mar 08 22:53:41 cellular connectivity is in reach, but also needs work. We have options of either Sailfish stack (ofono + ril driver + telepathy-ring + some UI) or UBPorts one (different fork of ofono + rilmodem + telepathy-ofono + UBPorts or Plasma Mobile UI) Mar 08 22:54:33 Sailfish one works on Sailfish, as expected. Ubuntu Touch developers tried to adapt their rilmodem driver for Helio X20 before project got cancelled, didn't get to test it on our device yet. Mar 08 22:57:54 Some crazy franken machine we're going to end up with! Mar 08 22:58:54 It's going to be tough to support all this moving forwards Mar 08 23:00:19 yeah, let's hope we can find better solutions in the long time Mar 08 23:02:02 I guess we're at the mercy of mediatek. My guess is they aren't likely to move to a newer kernel any time soon Mar 08 23:02:15 Seems to be more of a fire and forget type thing Mar 08 23:02:53 At least we're on a kernel version that will receive backported security fixes for quite a few years yet Mar 08 23:03:35 MediaTek has newer 4.4 kernel, but they adapted it for newer SoCs and still keept 3.18 for our one in Oreo AOSP tree Mar 08 23:04:12 That's interesting. So that's for what x30? Mar 08 23:04:59 Maybe we can pull stuff from there Mar 08 23:05:45 what I found is for mt6757 Mar 08 23:06:25 Helio P20 it seems Mar 08 23:10:44 there is almost no hope that the Lenovo K8 Note (x23) that will get Oreo update in July 2018 will come with a 4.4 kernel. Not to mention the unlikely chance of Lenovo releasing the source alongside with it. Mar 08 23:11:00 ? Mar 08 23:12:07 Lenovo usually releases kernel source, but I wonder about kernel version, let's see Mar 08 23:12:21 Lenovo certainly have more pull the PC Mar 08 23:12:39 s/the/than Mar 08 23:13:06 considering that they pushed back the release so far, maybe there is something in the works Mar 08 23:14:49 good night everybody Mar 08 23:14:55 gn TheKit Mar 08 23:15:01 good night Mar 08 23:20:33 Wassup Mar 08 23:32:39 not much, most are asleep I guess :/ Mar 08 23:45:35 oh. dang its late, i thought it was 9pm ish, doh i need to go sleep Mar 08 23:47:20 lost in the world of fail2ban filter and action writing Mar 08 23:47:46 made a nice change from the utter guff i've been writing for the last two weeks at work **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 09 03:00:00 2018