**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 16 03:00:02 2018 Mar 16 03:09:49 WPA2 EAP? I should certainly hope so :| Mar 16 03:10:23 that'll be annoying if it's borked. Mar 16 09:11:44 at least XDA devs seems interested : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/permalink/1808414059459635/ Mar 16 09:12:24 might see a review soon? if any of them got the Gemini Mar 16 09:27:03 TheKit do you have anything to do with the XDA twrp project? Mar 16 09:27:52 TheKit Thanks: Mar 16 09:27:52 NeKit for testing Mar 16 09:42:35 wow things are getting fast resurrection remix already a gemini custom rom https://sourceforge.net/projects/resurrectionremix-oreo/files/gemini/ Mar 16 09:44:53 guess it is the Xiami not the PC gemini, was excited for a second Mar 16 09:49:17 There's no explanation on the Source Forge Summary page as to what Oreo is! Mar 16 09:59:17 i guess it is on xda resurrection remix Mar 16 09:59:47 Vir Mar 16 09:59:54 Virbius, https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/development/rom-resurrection-remix-v6-0-t3762506 Mar 16 10:00:39 Virbius, but the Gemini is the Xiaomi device not PC gemini Mar 16 10:01:07 I got excited and typed b4 my mind caught up Mar 16 10:02:13 we'll have to be careful to not mix-up both Geminis Mar 16 10:02:28 at least regarding custom Android ROMs Mar 16 10:04:44 VartiWork, yeah, was shocked to be honest thinking that Resurrection remix got the custom rom already for the Gemini this fast but then took me a minute to realize or wait Xiaomi have also a gemini branding on one of their devices and makes more sense since we don't actually have the devices yet Mar 16 10:05:27 but XDA are working faster than i thought even without the device TWRP already on the go Mar 16 10:06:22 yes, that's cool Mar 16 10:06:26 VartiWork, I guess to separate should be either Gemini-pda or Gemini PC Mar 16 10:07:05 bbl i got a coffee invite by the neighbor Mar 16 10:08:09 steve-marinos: thanks Mar 16 10:18:36 riot.im (for the matrix chat) seems to be offline today... Mar 16 10:35:49 ahhh, this xda vs oesf ..... Mar 16 10:36:34 I don't see it this way Mar 16 10:38:26 what way ? you see it ? Mar 16 10:40:33 Dunno what was the conversation b4 but i see it different kind of forum where xda might be more develloping oriented dunno depends on the users eventually Mar 16 10:41:08 probably more on the android side Mar 16 10:41:14 agree Mar 16 10:41:31 * greguu has no issue with that Mar 16 10:41:45 Like we already have twrp in the developing process Mar 16 10:42:27 released already.. Mar 16 10:43:10 released but needs to develope more Mar 16 10:44:05 Apparently the lack of developers units will delay further real in depth developement Mar 16 10:44:23 lack of dev units ? Mar 16 10:44:27 But a good start if you ask me Mar 16 10:44:51 not sure this was ever advertised Mar 16 10:44:52 Yes units for developers Mar 16 10:44:59 TheKit has one Mar 16 10:45:10 but I did ask for one months ago Mar 16 10:45:17 I did not say it is advertised did i ? Mar 16 10:45:37 no, you did not Mar 16 10:45:42 but was it ? :) Mar 16 10:45:55 really dunno lol Mar 16 10:45:57 how would devs know Mar 16 10:46:47 twitter :D Mar 16 10:47:09 I am very keen to help out, for geek linux users, plain linux, wayland or xorg with i3wm Mar 16 10:47:30 twitter? sorry.. Mar 16 10:47:54 but my order is 64xx Mar 16 10:47:56 lo Mar 16 10:47:58 l Mar 16 10:48:05 i guess we will see more forums next on sailfish etc ... Mar 16 10:48:39 Yes pc will tweet devs for free devices lol Mar 16 10:49:14 offical SFOS support made me to upgrade to the 4g upgrade perk Mar 16 10:49:54 We will probably receive our units in the same batch am 6k backer too Mar 16 10:50:15 ha, yes, more fragmentation Mar 16 10:51:00 I am not too worried about the xda forum Mar 16 10:51:04 developers don't use twitter, they are on irc :-) Mar 16 10:51:32 like i said i did not know what was said before i replied Mar 16 10:51:47 cos- ? are you one of these "developers" ? Mar 16 10:51:54 Oh they don't :) Mar 16 10:53:26 cos- and on xda :) Mar 16 10:53:42 greguu: i'm a developer but not working on sfos at the moment.. Mar 16 10:53:58 i've been doing maemo & meego back in the day Mar 16 10:58:00 VartiWork may hate me for saying this, but xda is probably the best place to host the android related issue and progress Mar 16 10:58:51 but Mar 16 11:00:45 greguu: you're probably right, since on XDA we'll get Android help also from non-Gemini users Mar 16 11:02:47 I anyway prefer to support all the OSes that run on the Gemini. If nothing else, because I'll probably run most of them on my unit, and I'll prefer to have all the info in one place Mar 16 11:02:53 cos-, maemo was great too bad it had to evolve to something else and outdated, if Nokia was still producing devices for open source it might still had a chance Mar 16 11:06:06 steve-marinos: the hildon ui (n900) was great but worked properly only with stylus.. so it had to be redesigned to be finger friendly with capacitive touchscreens Mar 16 11:06:08 but.. Mar 16 11:11:59 for some, XDA forums may be to "technical" Mar 16 11:14:35 hm, I do not like more fragmentation, but it would be hard to argue against a xda forum.. Mar 16 11:15:19 in the end, it is up to the users Mar 16 11:16:44 greguu, to be honest me either, we already have too many already, but like i said probably we will also have things going on different OS's forums/IRC too like debian sailfish ubuntu xda oesf fb pc main dev forum and so on Mar 16 11:17:42 I agree, it's up to the users Mar 16 11:18:53 anyway, for one reason or other every community (except for the tiniest ones) is usually split between two or more forums Mar 16 11:18:56 this channel for example. is it about xda, oesf, or is it just about gemini ? Mar 16 11:19:22 I believe this is about anything related to gemini Mar 16 11:19:37 about gemini Mar 16 11:19:54 hence also oesf and xda Mar 16 11:19:56 there you go Mar 16 11:20:19 lets not get this forum war get between us Mar 16 11:20:55 no, I'd really hate to have a pointless forum war Mar 16 11:21:25 is there a war? Mar 16 11:21:39 do i get my shield and helmet on lol Mar 16 11:21:39 hmm no :) Mar 16 11:21:56 * greguu swings his sword Mar 16 11:22:06 use your Gemini to do DDOS attacks! Mar 16 11:22:21 VartiWork, but what gemini :'( Mar 16 11:22:38 ah, I believed you already got yours steve-marinos Mar 16 11:22:46 there is no war Mar 16 11:22:59 no mate me and greguu seems to be on the same boat so far Mar 16 11:23:00 i'm not sure why anyone would go on xda if they weren't ready to do technical stuff Mar 16 11:23:30 there will always be a general forum and a specific kinda forum Mar 16 11:23:43 I will be interested on the android side at XDA Mar 16 11:24:37 and then there will be the official ones ... Mar 16 11:28:27 OESF has a bit of a long history in handheld PDA, to some extent xda does, too. Mar 16 11:29:25 but (I am biased) I like OESF as it is.... Mar 16 11:30:21 XDA too technical and not all users will find themselves at home there Mar 16 11:31:24 agree Mar 16 11:31:29 I remember the 1st time i wanted to get me a custom rom and went XDA i though the fuck is this complexity Mar 16 11:32:02 and looked somewhere else for an easier way to understand the concept Mar 16 11:32:22 XDA has always been very technical. Mar 16 11:32:30 greguu: thanks for your kind words hehe Mar 16 11:32:35 not to advertise anything, but I would like https://talk.maemo.org over xda any time Mar 16 11:32:37 I think it started with the dell pda's long long time ago. Mar 16 11:33:05 I had couple of those and used xda forums to hack different OS'es to them. Mar 16 11:33:44 OK now let me see what CR i could hack into my note 4 Mar 16 11:33:45 so, lets settle this with "let the user decide" Mar 16 11:34:02 greguu, that is an undeniable fact Mar 16 11:34:47 no matter the user will choose what fit his need and where he will find it Mar 16 11:36:05 Ahhh take me back to Angstrom Mar 16 11:36:06 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ Mar 16 11:36:29 androvex[m] are you a time traveller ? Mar 16 11:36:42 I have a Zaurus 10 somewhere running an Angstrom OS with Opie Gui.. :) Mar 16 11:37:19 Zaurus was an interesting device. Mar 16 11:37:31 Zaurus 10 ? Sound intriguing Mar 16 11:38:55 And i had a Ipaq H3800 hundred somwhere too.. Mar 16 11:39:26 he, do not change the topic, where did you get the "zaurus 10" from ?\ Mar 16 11:40:57 My mistake SL6000 I remember now Tosa the code name.. Mar 16 11:41:01 Angstrom.. Mar 16 11:41:25 ...must be some secret yakusa stash Mar 16 11:41:28 It is what you put on PDA's back in the day :) Mar 16 11:42:42 * greguu is baffled Mar 16 11:42:43 http://brooknet.no-ip.org/~lex/zaurus/tosa/ Mar 16 11:43:43 no, I ported e17 to pdaxrom int 2005 or so http://brooknet.no-ip.org/~lex/zaurus/tosa/ Mar 16 11:44:05 link : http://ftp.nluug.nl/ibiblio/distributions/pdaxrom/download/contrib/notes/e17.png Mar 16 11:46:28 I hope the Gemini will become what the Sharp Zaurus is now, a legend (yes as well as the psion) Mar 16 11:47:11 androvex: is your Tosa an N, L or W model? Now you can find plenty of 6000N's secondhand, but L and W ones are very difficult to find Mar 16 11:47:58 greguu: probably it will Mar 16 11:48:44 VartiWork : the Tosa, not sure it is still supported by mainline.. Mar 16 11:53:21 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=42963e44b948eb2b1015b300f978fb60&showtopic=16613&st=0 Mar 16 11:53:59 well, the good times of pdaxrom .. where did sashz end up ? Mar 16 11:55:13 https://github.com/pdaxrom Mar 16 11:55:26 lol Mar 16 11:57:33 I think sashz would be a good dev for getting the gemini going on linux. I think he lives close to TheKit Mar 16 11:57:43 :) Mar 16 11:58:15 btw does anyone know about X25/X27 modern kernel support? Mar 16 11:58:26 Is mediatek even planning on releasing support. Mar 16 11:58:42 to release something they are supposed to have it first :) Mar 16 11:59:04 TheKit, out of nowhere... Mar 16 11:59:11 and boom Mar 16 11:59:19 nice Mar 16 11:59:28 just returned home and saw your highlight Mar 16 11:59:43 haha, nice to have you, as always Mar 16 11:59:51 I think that there was some proprietary parts of the architecture preventing the community from writing the support themselves? Mar 16 12:00:48 YES! Mar 16 12:01:32 "it is not a walk in the park" Mar 16 12:02:44 Yeah, well if it was just a generic arm architecture that would be more doable. Mar 16 12:03:01 aarch64 is pretty generic Mar 16 12:03:28 but the bloody closed source drivers for mali, wifi and other stuff are the pain Mar 16 12:03:33 Wish that i had time to do stuff like that myself. Mar 16 12:03:37 Yeah. Mar 16 12:03:44 just quit your main job Mar 16 12:03:49 plenty of time Mar 16 12:04:03 Yeah, plenty of time; no money - great hacking career! Mar 16 12:04:25 hacking != money Mar 16 12:04:35 for some maybe Mar 16 12:04:38 wifi is not closed source Mar 16 12:04:46 eh, you said so Mar 16 12:04:48 Is it some generic broadcom? Mar 16 12:04:57 no, MediaTek chip Mar 16 12:05:02 Okay. Mar 16 12:05:25 TheKit, you mentioned the Wifi needed a blob Mar 16 12:05:28 ? Mar 16 12:05:37 firmware, not blob driver Mar 16 12:05:47 ok, well, ok Mar 16 12:06:14 (and I mentioned to you that on Android it uses special tool to load firmware, but that can be probably workarounded) Mar 16 12:07:06 ah ok, yes I recall Mar 16 12:08:25 the troublesome closed-source parts are Mali graphics, RIL userspace library (modem), video codecs Mar 16 12:08:48 video codecs as in HEVC and H264 ? Mar 16 12:09:55 and some others, basically parts to use hardware decoding Mar 16 12:10:39 Propably the modem is pretty generic. Mar 16 12:10:49 LTE modems are pretty similar in my experience. Mar 16 12:11:08 for data only Mar 16 12:11:12 hard to say, it's part of SoC again, not separate modem Mar 16 12:11:37 Yeah. Mali is in the category that i'd have no knowledge how to even start. Mar 16 12:12:33 TheKit, the chai project was brought up again, T760.. any chance this will help for gettinh mainline Mar 16 12:12:54 s/getting/gettinh Mar 16 12:12:55 https://notabug.org/cafe/chai/issues/1 Mar 16 12:13:35 " Contribute to chai directly. You save time that way :)" Mar 16 12:13:47 but chai is currently an research state/proof of concept stage Mar 16 12:13:50 *at Mar 16 12:14:24 true, POC is still a progress Mar 16 12:15:00 this project was just revived Mar 16 12:15:07 so, .. Mar 16 12:16:34 sometimes, I wish, DirectFB would be still active.. they did some good stuff.. Mar 16 12:17:15 it was pretty amazing back in the day with my matrox g550 Mar 16 12:17:27 what DirectFB could do Mar 16 12:18:17 gsm0710muxd seems to do logging in AT commands-like format for modem Mar 16 12:18:57 gsm0710muxd ? all we need is GUI or front end then ? Mar 16 12:19:21 > androvex: is your Tosa an N, L or W model? Now you can find plenty of 6000N's secondhand, but L and W ones are very difficult to find Mar 16 12:19:22 The W was the Wifi = Bluetooth one right ? L was just Wifi.. this is just wifi and IRda :P Mar 16 12:19:56 greguu, nah, it serves as proxy between RIL libraries and kernel driver Mar 16 12:20:14 how can you talk to it ? Mar 16 12:20:42 from userspace Mar 16 12:21:21 without libhybris Mar 16 12:21:26 https://gitlab.com/mt6797/vendor/tree/ALPS-MP-M0.MP9-V1.78.1_NB6797_6C_M/mediatek/proprietary/hardware/gsm0710muxd Mar 16 12:21:28 through socket Mar 16 12:21:37 native linux socket Mar 16 12:21:41 ? Mar 16 12:23:01 ah, a /dev/socket Mar 16 12:23:37 /dev/socket on Android keeps normal Linux socket Mar 16 12:23:40 *sockets Mar 16 12:27:58 > androvex: is your Tosa an N, L or W model? Now you can find plenty of 6000N's secondhand, but L and W ones are very difficult to find The W was the Wifi = Bluetooth one right ? L was just Wifi.. this is just wifi and IRda :P Mar 16 12:27:59 Yes, then it's an L model Mar 16 12:28:08 Yeha.. must be a 6000L Mar 16 12:28:14 802.11b only though! haha Mar 16 12:28:17 not sure I have any access points that do that any more ;) Mar 16 12:28:44 my does :) Mar 16 12:28:49 mine Mar 16 12:28:59 I use OpenWRT so will need to check Mar 16 12:29:27 varti[m] : any luck with ther serial cable from domede ? Mar 16 12:30:07 unfortunately not Mar 16 12:30:20 I'll write him back Mar 16 12:31:33 or go to his home and knock on his door, I believe he lives just one hour away from me, although we live in two different countries, and there's a third one between us :) Mar 16 12:31:46 androvex[m] : funny you mention OpenWrt, I am working on a port for the Zaurus, based on the ZipIt port https://github.com/openwrt-zipit Mar 16 12:32:31 greguu: Oh.. small world huh ? :P Mar 16 12:32:33 It is basically just a kernel port. the packages are the same pxa Mar 16 12:32:47 not so small Mar 16 12:33:22 I have to swim for 3000km to get ashore to another continent Mar 16 12:33:25 Well i own VoCores and Onion Omegas too and they bother use OpenWRT builds :) Mar 16 12:34:44 the OpenWrt build SKD does still feature big endian armv5 and little endian armv5. so yes, even better it is using musl now Mar 16 12:35:22 linaro does offer similar toolchains too Mar 16 12:36:18 if you are keen .. to build Mar 16 12:36:43 I like OpenWRT. I like their build system and I like their modularity. Mar 16 12:37:26 androvex[m]: you should become a tester to betatest greguu's port on your Tosa :P Mar 16 12:38:03 I have some Zauruses too, but very little free time unfortunately Mar 16 12:38:05 the point I try to make is, it is not about only OpenWrt , it is that they still support pretty much legacy armv5 Mar 16 12:38:16 arch does to, but not big endian Mar 16 12:38:58 Sure.. so long as it is a pivot boot thing. .One of the cool things about Angstorm was that I was able to put the OS on to different SD card and so I could switch between testing GPE and Opie or the WIfistumbler type hacking tool i spun back in the day.. Mar 16 12:39:26 ah, I see Mar 16 12:39:33 You are a time traveller Mar 16 12:39:45 search the OESF forums Mar 16 12:40:04 we do kexecboot now with any type of boot media, SD, CF, NAND Mar 16 12:40:44 for Zaurus, Mar 16 12:40:53 actually for the last 10 years Mar 16 12:41:32 Yeah.. let's jsut say I have been around.. PDA's for a while :P Mar 16 12:41:49 well, .. Mar 16 12:41:51 ok Mar 16 12:42:00 welcome in the club Mar 16 12:42:56 but angstrom .. busted flush Mar 16 12:46:57 I remember bricking my friend Compaq Ipaq H3600, and having to solder wires to reach the JTAG points and break it out into a DB15 serial connector.. Mar 16 12:47:32 5v instead of 3.3v ? Mar 16 12:48:55 http://tuxmobil.org/pda_linux_ipaq.html Mar 16 12:50:07 I had to plug it into USB to serial converter. Mar 16 12:51:16 I feel really guilty at the time because he gave it to me to 'try' Linux on it. but I screwed up somehow and bricked it.. Mar 16 12:51:42 but i managed to reflash it using jtag and fix whatever the problem was (wrong kernel or something) Mar 16 12:51:48 so, enlighten us, how did you brick it ? Mar 16 12:51:58 ah, boring. Mar 16 12:51:58 Life was a lot simpler back then actually.. sighs Mar 16 12:52:40 too positive Mar 16 12:54:32 there were challanges too Mar 16 12:54:51 probably more hard to solve for todays devs Mar 16 12:55:38 but good effort on the JTAG Mar 16 12:57:04 VartiWork is supposed to send me a JTAG cable for the Zaurus :) Mar 16 12:57:22 I just mean that the bootloader and CPu stiuff was simple to undertstands. Mar 16 12:57:40 Phones these days are little black boxes by comparison Mar 16 12:57:42 ah, ? I wish it would be that simple Mar 16 12:58:50 At least Gemini has and open Bootloader. . Mar 16 12:59:01 bootloaders back then were basically off limits, closed.. Mar 16 12:59:06 makes partitioning the storage and multiboot much easier. Mar 16 12:59:27 On embedded platforms a lot fo devices used uboot. Mar 16 12:59:35 I got quite good with that.. Mar 16 12:59:36 hm. TheKit and me are stil discussing Mar 16 12:59:52 Do you remember the Netgerar SLUG? Mar 16 13:00:32 SLUG? yes, actually the developers of SLUG are hosting our (gemini-pda) log but Mar 16 13:00:40 s/bot/but Mar 16 13:00:46 nslu2-log Mar 16 13:01:05 so, give them a big thank you Mar 16 13:01:08 pretty sure I still have a NSLU2 somewhere - heck I think I still have my StrongARM powered Corel Netwinder in a box in the attic. Mar 16 13:01:39 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/gemini-pda.tx Mar 16 13:01:58 haha Mar 16 13:02:00 Full circle.. Mar 16 13:02:44 what a small world we are living in ? Mar 16 13:03:10 Frak me.. Amazon are still selling them ? Mar 16 13:03:11 https://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-Storage-Link-Drives-NSLU2/dp/B0001FSCZO Mar 16 13:03:27 amazon sells all sorts of stuff Mar 16 13:03:46 even Zaurs Mar 16 13:03:56 I loved flashing those things.. Mar 16 13:04:02 s/Zaurus/Zaurs Mar 16 13:04:15 I turned one into a Wifii-bridge once.. Mar 16 13:04:21 and another into a Print server.. Mar 16 13:05:19 and another one for a remote modem login to a server. Literally plugged a USB 56k Modem into it and it's only just was for me to dial in and give support when the internet was down . Mar 16 13:05:35 Jsut lovley little devices. Mar 16 13:06:06 of course these days you can do it all with a Raspberry Pi Zero.. so meh.. times change :P Mar 16 13:07:23 times change, memories live with you Mar 16 13:08:10 btw, is it confirmed that Gemini's bootloader is littlekernel? Mar 16 13:08:27 Tell me about it. I found online a concert from 1989 I went to and saw myself in the audience only last night. Boy did that being it all flooding back. Mar 16 13:08:38 yes, TheKit ? confirm ? Mar 16 13:09:20 VartiWork : I am very keen to get a proper kexecboot kernel going to allow alternaive OS, Mar 16 13:09:44 VartiWork, yes, it is Mar 16 13:09:49 but TheKit reminded me that there is an issue Mar 16 13:09:55 VartiWork, https://gitlab.com/mt6797/vendor/tree/ALPS-MP-M0.MP9-V1.78.1_NB6797_6C_M/mediatek/proprietary/bootable/bootloader/lk Mar 16 13:10:11 (not Gemini one, but should be close) Mar 16 13:10:43 TheKit, lets overcome the kexec issue on mediatek.. please.. Mar 16 13:11:06 get a proper boot menut Mar 16 13:11:09 menu Mar 16 13:12:49 androvex[m]: you can imagine how I felt after I found out that Janko Mršić-Flogel was behind the Gemini... I learned about him in a computer magazine way back in 1986, when he just finished high school and he already had his own software house, some years later I played one of his videogames on my Commodore Amiga, and now I have funded his project Mar 16 13:13:28 even TWRP is using a portrait mode ( and TWRP is NOT a boot loader btw) Mar 16 13:14:11 At least TWRP is open source and so can be fixed though :P Mar 16 13:14:34 TheKit: thanks for confirming it, it was hinted some months ago on a thread on maemo.org Mar 16 13:15:06 but I guess never confirmed until now Mar 16 13:16:02 well, all Android MediaTek SoCs use lk Mar 16 13:17:39 another option for multiboot could be http://efidroid.org/ Mar 16 13:17:47 but it wasn't ported to MediaTek SoCs yet Mar 16 13:19:02 I understand there are technical difficulties, but getting a kexecboot kernel going as second boot options would make alternative OS booting so much easier Mar 16 13:19:46 LK kernel will be very much limiting Mar 16 13:20:13 let me put a ? Mar 16 13:21:41 does LK have a multiboot menu? Mar 16 13:22:04 there is a basic menu, according to the code Mar 16 13:22:18 but it can do only limited filesystems Mar 16 13:22:28 ext2 and vfat Mar 16 13:22:47 ok, so at least we have something for now for multiboot environments Mar 16 13:22:47 and it is portrait afiak Mar 16 13:22:49 Any particular reason we are not thinking coreboot ;) Mar 16 13:22:57 coreboot ? Mar 16 13:23:01 dreaming Mar 16 13:23:08 hahaha Mar 16 13:23:18 u-boot? Mar 16 13:23:23 well being a Linux user means being the enternal optimist .. Mar 16 13:23:25 dreaming Mar 16 13:24:06 kexeboot is a sane option for a gui menu with even USB and SD boot capability Mar 16 13:24:13 but Mar 16 13:24:20 if only ext2 and vfat are supported, how are Android and Debian booted as of now? Mar 16 13:24:33 there is an issue with kexec'ing a mediatek kernel Mar 16 13:24:55 or Android in general. ? Mar 16 13:26:02 is there a minimal kernel on a separate ext2/vfat booting the other ext4 partition? Mar 16 13:26:06 the kernel is booted from one of these filesystems Mar 16 13:26:51 (which reminds me of a certain Frankenstein kexecboot version which greguu might have heard of) Mar 16 13:26:52 basically yes, TheKit ? can you confirm ? Mar 16 13:27:23 haha, but hat was for kexecboot boot.cfg files and f2fs. not the same Mar 16 13:27:34 VartiWork, Android don't boot kernel of any filesystem Mar 16 13:27:53 it has separate partition with kernel, ramdisk and config in abootimg format Mar 16 13:28:05 the same is done for Debian on Gemini Mar 16 13:28:45 aha, so both kernels are anyway in separate partitions Mar 16 13:28:56 but there is a partition for the kernel Mar 16 13:29:35 ? Mar 16 13:29:57 yes, boot and linux-boot Mar 16 13:30:19 third one is recovery Mar 16 13:31:47 but, the lk kernel can only read ext2 and vfat ? Or did I get this wrong ?\ Mar 16 13:32:08 "boot menu" Mar 16 13:32:22 parsing.. fs Mar 16 13:32:23 boot partition doesn't have any filesystem, just kernel and ramdisk stored in abootimg format Mar 16 13:32:41 yes but for a boot menu... what does it look for. Mar 16 13:32:52 just a partition to exec the kernel ? Mar 16 13:33:08 I don't think there is a boot menu, maybe only fastboot menu Mar 16 13:33:37 there is some code for a menu .. at least I thought I saw it Mar 16 13:36:28 there may be menu-related code, coming either from lk or additional boot modes, but there is no boot menu currently Mar 16 13:38:13 gitlab search is useless Mar 16 13:38:24 btw Mar 16 13:38:54 ok, one more reason to get a proper boot menu Mar 16 13:40:04 sure, it will be useful, but not strictly necessary at this stage, since you could easily flash boot partition Mar 16 13:40:40 true, but think mulit OS , and just system.img flasing.. ? Mar 16 13:40:47 more easy, no? Mar 16 13:41:17 but I understand the issue. kexec . Mar 16 13:43:29 I really would like to try first before.. jumping to conclusions Mar 16 13:44:29 I'd really appreciate to have a boot menu, since I'd like to try all the available OSes on the Gemini, but we are not in a hurry Mar 16 13:45:49 Flashing a secondary kernel, means to also to re-flash the android , no ? So the more early we adopt it, the better for all users. ? Mar 16 13:47:10 at least this is what the current debian requires Mar 16 13:47:49 and flashing linux_boot.img, maybe possible without touching the android ? TheKit? Mar 16 13:48:11 you can flash partitions separately Mar 16 13:48:54 so why does the debian flashin reset / erase the android ? Mar 16 13:48:59 because of the lk kernel ? Mar 16 13:49:06 because it needs to resize userdata Mar 16 13:49:12 and changes partition table Mar 16 13:49:17 ah, resize Mar 16 13:49:45 so what is the factory partition like Mar 16 13:50:38 use full available space I assume Mar 16 13:50:42 lots of Android partitions, then large userdata partition at the end Mar 16 13:50:43 hm, Mar 16 13:50:44 yes Mar 16 13:50:59 31 partitions I saw in the boot log, yes Mar 16 13:51:02 ok, I get it Mar 16 13:51:09 hm Mar 16 13:53:21 So, it requires some strategic partitioning from the start. Mar 16 13:54:09 but you should be able to resize from a proper linux instance no ? Mar 16 13:54:58 no, factory userdata partition is encrypted as well, so too much effort to implement this properly Mar 16 13:55:23 ah, encrypted.. no resize.. Mar 16 13:56:17 does the flash tool allow spare space ? Mar 16 13:56:22 for alter use ? Mar 16 13:56:27 or just dual ? Mar 16 13:56:39 s/later/alter Mar 16 13:56:45 just dual, unless you edit scatter file yourself Mar 16 13:57:08 ah, well ,ok, but that is a bit much to ask for the normal users ? Mar 16 13:57:29 but we could provide a custome scatter file Mar 16 13:57:42 do normal users need this at all? Mar 16 13:57:49 ah? Mar 16 13:57:55 good questions Mar 16 13:58:45 probably not, but there will be some Mar 16 14:00:24 TheKit, I think, and that is my personal oppinion, a kexecboot kernel as the second boot option would take away some of these worries.. Mar 16 14:00:53 boot from SD, or USB, this is good for people who like to test Mar 16 14:01:15 and even for advanced users, boot from secondary or third SSD option Mar 16 14:01:32 but again.. I am sounding like a broken record Mar 16 14:01:42 I know there are issues with kexec. Mar 16 14:58:42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTU28QgYHdQ Mar 16 15:06:40 Anyone tried bluetooth on their gemini yet? Mar 16 15:11:39 cos-: thanks for sharing it, I'll take a look at it tonight Mar 16 15:12:46 good to see another Charbax' Gemini review Mar 16 15:25:21 Nice review still watching, Mar 16 15:26:44 the good two things today beside my daughter, i did brick my Note4 and then fixed it and installed new rom, and this review Mar 16 15:33:17