**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 19 03:00:02 2018 Mar 19 12:56:08 Hey y'all... has anyone heard anything yet about the 2nd batch? Mar 19 13:03:29 i wish i was in it :) Mar 19 13:05:03 "The delivery date of your parcel should be no later than 17/03/2018 " and it's still in transit.. Mar 19 13:05:20 i even got the cheapo smart watch i plan to use with gemini today Mar 19 13:07:17 Maybe they gave the packet to dhl. Mar 19 13:07:38 You might get the memorycard that amazon sent me in february. Mar 19 13:21:51 my status is still "order placed" (#1707) >.< Mar 19 13:31:02 doorbell rang, but instead of gemini delivery it was jehovahs' witnesses :-P Mar 19 14:35:26 hm, if it's uncertified by default, does google play work? Mar 19 14:35:58 jolla tablet is uncertified and google play refuses to work Mar 19 14:39:38 I think it doesn't work due to something else on Jolla Tablet Mar 19 14:39:44 unless they blacklisted it specifically Mar 19 14:40:00 it's blacklisted Mar 19 14:40:28 on jolla phone it works fine, iirc that was certified for some reason (mistake?) Mar 19 14:42:13 interestingly, tested two devices with LineageOS, on one Google Play says uncertified (LineageOS), on other - certified (OnePlus 2) Mar 19 14:42:18 *Moto Z Play Mar 19 14:42:22 both have root though Mar 19 14:42:46 TheKit: do you have the keyboard addon for the moto z Mar 19 14:43:18 yes, just recently Mar 19 14:43:43 TheKit: can you compare it to some qwerty phone? Mar 19 14:43:43 root != certification.. afaik rooted phone can be certified, but certain apps may decide not to work (banking apps etc) Mar 19 14:44:10 cos-, but why Moto Z Play shows as uncertified if stock is surely certified though Mar 19 14:44:33 no clue Mar 19 14:46:50 akik, compared to Droid 4, balance feel weird, since keyboard (batteryless) is pretty light and phone is heavy. Typing feels fine though, the keys are large enough and have distance between them. Mar 19 14:50:24 Is there really anything where the "certified" flag would even matter. Mar 19 14:50:55 razumihin: at least western users want to use google play Mar 19 14:51:10 elsewhere baidu, yandex, etc are bigger Mar 19 14:51:15 cos-: My chinese cheapo android car radio can use google play without certification Mar 19 14:52:01 hm, really? maybe it's not directly related then Mar 19 14:52:13 Yeah, i've bought software spesifically with it. Mar 19 14:52:33 I think it's android 4.4.2 or something though. Mar 19 14:52:45 https://android-fix.com/google-play-problems/59-device-is-not-certified-by-google.html Mar 19 14:54:17 Interesting. Mar 19 14:55:21 looks like with custom build.prop it cant' identify the device and works as uncertified Mar 19 15:24:29 to me, the less google involvement the better. i'd buy "certified invisible to google." Mar 19 15:25:06 you'll like sailfish then :-) Mar 19 15:27:36 i'm hoping to. my nexus project could probably be "certified extinct." Mar 19 20:30:01 Looking at indiegogo it looks like a far few of a natives are getting restless Mar 19 20:39:00 i thought that it's just a longer waiting period for xmas Mar 19 20:53:55 WorkingClassDev, it is getting boring at this stage, the wait is agonizing, yet nothing exciting yet, and PC is quiet on the next batch production, maybe focusing on the issues they received feedbacks on ... Mar 19 20:57:39 yea exactly Mar 19 20:57:55 I expect mine sometime in May :D Mar 19 20:58:02 if not then I'll be getting jumpy Mar 19 20:59:11 I do wish PC were a bit more vocal however Mar 19 21:03:37 WorkingClassDev (IRC): it would certainly be good if PC were to manifest a smidgen of consideration for its customers, wouldn't it. Mar 19 21:03:42 well probably nothing to say for now Mar 19 21:04:46 waiting for more feedbacks to see what might get wrong on the longer terms Mar 19 21:07:06 there is plenty to say if they had some flare :D Mar 19 21:08:28 sure there is. when the factory is going back into production, how many they expect to make this time around, why they keep promising things they don't deliver -- the tracking app comes to mind -- how they intend to deal with faulty units, of which there are several, among other things. their silence is, probably unintentionally, kind of damning. Mar 19 21:08:36 "Hey all, the first batch has been recieved very well. Some teething problems we are working hard on but overall most of our fabulous backers are very happy. Now there beens questions about the Gold models, Wifi models and where we are at with the shippeyMcShipFace predictor... Lets dive into those' .... etc bollocks that greeses the fucking wheels Mar 19 21:10:04 Silence pisses people is the tldr I've heard form marketing wonks for the last 15 years in ecom Mar 19 21:10:58 my point is Planet could be really smashing the message right now! But instead are 'Oh were at MWC, look at pics of people tapping the screen'. It is a dull as heck message Mar 19 21:11:24 maybe im wrong? let me know in the comments below :D Mar 19 21:13:09 * WorkingClassDev is in one of those moods Mar 19 21:15:53 they've been pretty tone deaf. Mar 19 21:16:32 and that's to put it in the best possible light. Mar 19 21:17:29 Maybe they are burning out Mar 19 21:17:59 I can only sympathise for the most part, doing what theyve done much have been a uphill both ways. Still be nice if they could chill and get chtty Mar 19 21:18:18 WorkingClassDev, i've been in that mood too :) Mar 19 21:22:40 :D Mar 19 21:37:04 thing is i got really nothing to look for, except for a reflex scope by the end of this month and maybe new iPad, but nothing as exciting as a full working flawless Gemini :) Mar 19 21:40:41 WorkingClassDev (IRC): dealing with customers and investors is half the job. here's hoping they're doing a better job on the other half. Mar 19 21:41:15 tbf we are the investors with 2m deep Mar 19 21:41:54 steve-marinos: its becoming less winter here so i got a nice a fuck new bike to smash about as soon as it gets a bit warmer Mar 19 21:43:23 :) Mar 19 21:45:33 steve-marinos: https://www.scotbycycles.co.uk/images/spec/166944.jpg?maxheight=1200 Mar 19 21:45:45 gonna get my fat ass less err fat :D Mar 19 21:46:52 thats my summer done. So will go full metal tech next oct :D Mar 19 21:48:37 I'm currently stuck on Zwift so looking forware to getting outside Mar 19 21:49:22 it is apparent that PC didn't do much engineering just used off the shelf components the cheapest possible in many cases and created a decent device Mar 19 21:49:28 already having durability issues with mine Mar 19 21:50:54 oh thats sad to hear :( Mar 19 21:52:03 did you see the person that attached an oscilliscope to the headphone jack Mar 19 21:52:12 the PCB layout had no EMF design parameters Mar 19 21:52:24 they just laid it out the cheapest way possible according to some reference design Mar 19 21:53:45 got a link ? Mar 19 21:54:31 https://www.facebook.com/100008497261452/videos/1933651960261361/ Mar 19 21:55:01 ahh yea, i dont facebook, will take a look Mar 19 21:55:51 I just read this "So come on then, be honest (but fair), what really annoys you about the Gemini?" oh man those comments Mar 19 21:56:12 i dont either Mar 19 21:56:14 but i saw that on there Mar 19 21:56:27 yea there are issues mainly software but I do not think PC has the aptitude to fix it Mar 19 21:56:33 mainly the handling of landscape apps which sucks ass Mar 19 21:56:43 i can't even watch youtube videos without it getting cut off some of the features Mar 19 21:57:24 i am getting used to the keyboard i don't think planet integration is good the dock is garbage Mar 19 21:58:23 ok so for me, the android stuff i can live with if it can actually function as a decent (ish) linux pda Mar 19 21:59:00 hardware stuff, perticuallry around the keyboard, nope f**k off. The entire thing is the keyboard. If that's junk then its no dice Mar 19 21:59:00 yea once someone has it all sorted may go to sailfish Mar 19 21:59:16 the keyboard is ok just some of them have issues Mar 19 21:59:21 mine is assembled decent enough Mar 19 21:59:25 once worn in feels a lot better Mar 19 21:59:33 right now its all about momentum, if then screw that up the device and PC are DOA Mar 19 21:59:41 correct Mar 19 21:59:45 momentum is slowing already Mar 19 21:59:56 yea thats what im seeing/feeling sadly Mar 19 22:00:02 i wonder how they screwed the QA up so badly though Mar 19 22:00:16 rushing, trying to please everyone Mar 19 22:00:19 it is not like th is was some custom SOC and PCB Mar 19 22:00:24 essentially the same as the reference design Mar 19 22:00:34 maybe indiegogo holds funds until shipped or something or other business reason Mar 19 22:00:58 a 2year old SOC reference design Mar 19 22:01:07 is what was used to do the initial pcb lay out Mar 19 22:01:10 with some things moved here and there Mar 19 22:01:22 but they didn't do EMI testing at all on it Mar 19 22:01:27 yea i kinda get that, its tested, people know it, its a prototype, yep yep Mar 19 22:01:39 But then to do the release with that is a bit off Mar 19 22:01:55 yea its not like the keyboard is also a work of art either Mar 19 22:01:59 they copied it from the psion Mar 19 22:02:03 not sure if they tooled it up or how they did it Mar 19 22:02:34 but its all injected moulds anyway Mar 19 22:02:39 keyboards are hard but damn this thing is all about the keyboard so any issues are 100% gonna screw the device Mar 19 22:02:40 the tools can be created quickly Mar 19 22:03:13 yea its setup like your typical el cheapo 9.99 keyboard Mar 19 22:03:42 they're trying to do it on the cheap as you say and get it out there. Maybe it'll be good but we dont know right now. Maybe it'll grow or it'll die as an idea and if it does I suspect thats the PDA type device done for a long time :( Mar 19 22:03:54 I am happy with mine Mar 19 22:03:57 i am glad i bought it Mar 19 22:04:06 i was suffering with a windows phone from 2014 Mar 19 22:04:11 would you buy it at a retail price ? Mar 19 22:04:16 no Mar 19 22:04:22 i paid 349+50 Mar 19 22:04:55 if I got a better SOC, better QC and the software works in landscape and scales appropriately Mar 19 22:04:57 i would buy for retail Mar 19 22:04:59 and thats the issue i see. I paid 299 usd for mine wifi (stil lto be even be told it exists) and im ok with that and it being a bit weird / wonky. At retail nope no way Mar 19 22:05:05 but half the apps are cut off and garbage unusable Mar 19 22:05:30 youtube you can't even see the comments Mar 19 22:05:35 i have to rotate to portrait and scroll down Mar 19 22:05:44 thats so weird cus I'm been playing with a Nexus 7 razr with a bt keyboard in prep for the gemini and it works pretty much ok Mar 19 22:05:48 the software side is what kills the device and I do not think PC has a good development team Mar 19 22:06:12 they spent all the cash on some stupid dock and notes Mar 19 22:06:15 theh dock is useless Mar 19 22:06:32 on the 5mx and revo yea a dock is cool Mar 19 22:06:40 but on a device with a capacitive touchscreen not so much Mar 19 22:07:29 also the hinge design would prefer one that could be rotated to a certain angle rather than go to a 0 or 1 position, usefull in certain lighting contions Mar 19 22:09:34 i'd sa Mar 19 22:09:59 I'd say (sorry term froze) the hinge is a v2 thing Mar 19 22:10:33 Whats the dock? I thought you just got a cable ? Mar 19 22:13:58 I'm looking forward to getting mine so I can use it and figure how good/bad it is Mar 19 22:16:01 I think the 'dock' mentioned above is software - app shortcut bar or something Mar 19 22:16:31 oh yea sorry Mar 19 22:16:33 (similar to the OS X 'dock' I guess) Mar 19 22:16:51 ye it'll be the pop up think when pressing the planet butotn i guess Mar 19 22:17:09 brain on a go slow today Mar 19 22:25:44 no it always comes on Mar 19 22:25:49 you cannot disable unless you delete i think Mar 19 22:29:27 :( Mar 19 22:41:23 serp_ (IRC): has yours at least gotten a little more reliable? i remember your having some issues with it. Mar 19 22:41:38 not resetting anymore Mar 19 22:41:41 befor eit would randomly restart Mar 19 22:41:53 the keys are broken in feel better Mar 19 22:41:58 but the software sucks Mar 19 22:42:03 it randomly types letters in succession Mar 19 22:42:19 landscape mode bricks many applications get unexpected quits etc Mar 19 22:42:30 hardware wise not bad Mar 19 22:42:34 software is beta Mar 19 22:45:59 serp_ (IRC): my intention is to run android never, so i will be dealing with alpha software. but if the machine is junk, then there will be little point in that until a year from now when there's a better-made version on gearbest for $249. Mar 19 22:46:39 i don't think the hardware is high quality at all Mar 19 22:46:45 but the software is what will make or break it Mar 19 22:47:00 PC hasn't done any OTA updates as of yet to give it the functionality it should have Mar 19 22:47:42 i don't think it will come for a long time if ever maybe XDA and others can do that but the functionality is shit now for the app store so I am willing to move to linux or sailfish if the voice stuff gets worked out Mar 19 22:48:00 serp_ (IRC): a shorter list might be what PC has done. Mar 19 22:48:31 PC added useless shit Mar 19 22:48:36 like a app dock and some notes app Mar 19 22:48:39 worthless Mar 19 22:48:42 need better scaling Mar 19 22:48:47 need better landscape mode Mar 19 22:48:52 needs better key mapping Mar 19 22:48:54 things like that Mar 19 22:49:12 who uses the app dock Mar 19 22:49:14 it is so useless Mar 19 22:49:20 there are apps behind the app dock Mar 19 22:49:20 wtf Mar 19 22:50:21 i thought there was a setting to make the dock disappear after x seconds. no? Mar 19 22:52:36 unknown Mar 19 22:52:39 it wont go down Mar 19 22:54:12 decency prohibits my saying the first thing that popped into my mind. Mar 19 22:57:07 in the register story: "Whatever you do, new users, don't set the popup Planet toolbar to "always on." If you do, the toolbar's menu grabs the focus and can't then be dismissed." Mar 19 23:03:09 it came like that Mar 19 23:04:04 auto hide is on Mar 19 23:04:07 but it don't hide Mar 19 23:08:13 maybe it's like the screen orientation, one obvious setting and some other setting someplace else. Mar 19 23:09:56 already tried it Mar 19 23:10:01 only way to hide is to disable and uninstall Mar 19 23:10:06 or click eye icon Mar 19 23:10:09 auto hide does not work Mar 19 23:10:33 when is PC sending their OTA to fix the landscape issues? Mar 19 23:22:22 serp_ (IRC): i haven't heard of PC sending an OTA to fix anything ever. Mar 19 23:23:20 they claiemd they would @depscribe **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 20 03:00:06 2018