**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 20 03:00:07 2018
Mar 20 03:52:15 <jeffers_[m]> oh dear
Mar 20 03:53:07 <jeffers_[m]> the less PC respond to issues raised on IGG, the less inclined I am to back them in the future
Mar 20 03:53:13 <jeffers_[m]> that's the bottom line
Mar 20 03:55:25 <jeffers_[m]> still waiting for the order checker...
Mar 20 05:22:19 <devyl[m]> PC is just a small company ... they dont have the resources to answer hundreds of thousands of requests in time.
Mar 20 06:27:35 <razumihin> Thing that i've learned from this campaign is that i'd never ever try to make a project through indiegogo.
Mar 20 06:33:26 <jeffers_[m]> devyl: This is undisputed. However, they hardly seem motivated to cut down on queries at all. Updates to clear up some of the FAQs would make a huge difference. Cherry picking queries to respond to is not efficient and makes it look like you're ignoring the others.
Mar 20 08:11:36 <devyl[m]> yeah, i fully agree... nevertheless they are just a few people and not a big company. you should see them as the nice guys in your neighborhood who trying to build something special.  :) just some guys
Mar 20 08:11:45 <devyl[m]> give them time...
Mar 20 08:56:38 <canny[m]> devyl: you make them sound like Zaphod Beeblebrox being described by Gag Halfrunt:  "Vell, Planet Computers are just zese guys, you know?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_zQavmrdfc)
Mar 20 09:01:30 <cos-> i wouldn't worry too much about social media haters, they appear for any project
Mar 20 09:28:57 <devyl[m]> yeah
Mar 20 11:25:43 <jeffers_[m]> to be fair, they did say in that latest interview that they're hiring more staff to deal with the extra work
Mar 20 14:31:55 <androvex[m]>  > devyl: you make them sound like Zaphod Beeblebrox being described by Gag Halfrunt: "Vell, Planet Computers are just zese guys, you know?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A\_zQavmrdfc)  Zaphod's just this guy - y'know? - YouTube Zaphod's just this guy - y'know?
Mar 20 14:31:56 <androvex[m]> Haha.. I was listening to that last night.. Been catching up on Radio series 1-5 ready for listening to the 6th
Mar 20 14:32:44 <canny[m]> androvex: ah yeah, i heard it was coming back...must investigate further!
Mar 20 14:33:16 <androvex[m]> canny: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05zj9lm
Mar 20 14:35:04 <canny[m]> Excellent androvex ... it's the reason I downloaded the BBC Radio player app (which lets you download them and play them offline)....
Mar 20 14:35:26 <androvex[m]> Yeah.. well get_iplayer is awesome :P
Mar 20 14:36:25 <canny[m]> does that still work?  I used it years ago, but thought the BBC had changed things enough to break it.. should have guessed they would find a way around it!
Mar 20 14:38:20 <jeffers_[m]> yes, get_iplayer still works!
Mar 20 14:39:07 <canny[m]> that'll be perfect for when my 'PDA' finally arrives...  ; )
Mar 20 14:55:04 <jeffers_[m]> I had it working overtime on an ancient Dell laptop over Christmas - terrible celeron processor
Mar 20 16:04:36 <steve-marinos> wow I missed a lot of conversation, WorkingClassDev sorry mate i probably slept while on keyboard "hard day at work" jeffers lets hope they at least come with good news once they do, not like update 51 "the factory has apologized"
Mar 20 16:07:26 <steve-marinos> I seriously wish that in the near future I will look back at our conversations and say how wrong we were, but so far not so good, the most that worries me is what kind of issues we might face on a longer term? and the next question is? is there really a team at least on the android side that is working to fix the bugs and issues and working on the upgrades
Mar 20 16:08:35 <steve-marinos> or else I see we might end up even on android side waiting for XDA to come up with custom rom specific for the Gemini
Mar 20 16:09:26 <steve-marinos> higher hopes on SFOS to replace android permanently for me
Mar 20 16:09:56 <canny[m]> steve-marinos: I doubt they do - this is a guess but I imagine that for certain jobs, they will contract tasks out (specific android apps, bugfixes, etc...)
Mar 20 16:12:06 <steve-marinos> canny[m], lets hope they are really thinking of gathering a team for software developments
Mar 20 16:12:10 <steve-marinos> 1 hour ago
Mar 20 16:12:11 <steve-marinos> Palwinder - Our latest info is that the SMT process starts next week. Robin
Mar 20 16:12:24 <depscribe[m]> i'm just thinking that instead of gemini, they might more appropriately have named it the godot.
Mar 20 16:12:24 <steve-marinos> so it seems the next batch should start next week
Mar 20 16:12:38 <canny[m]> fingers crossed!
Mar 20 16:13:35 <steve-marinos> a partial reply for one of the backers, the 1st couple lines were more direct answer "We currently have 2k 4G units about to start being produced. Based on your Backer ID, I am not 100% sure your unit would be amongst those. The next units would be produced the month afterwards. We are finalising dates at present. Robin"
Mar 20 16:14:24 <steve-marinos> so it seems for backers above 3000 it will be next month for a production
Mar 20 16:14:52 <steve-marinos> I pretty doubt i will receive my gemini in the next couple month
Mar 20 16:16:09 <steve-marinos> meanwhile I have all the time to bug the IRC channel with random stuff :P
Mar 20 16:16:48 <steve-marinos> depscribe[m], what is a godot ?
Mar 20 16:17:07 <steve-marinos> depscribe[m], please don't let me google it :D
Mar 20 16:17:59 <steve-marinos> also it seems some are complaining about an annoying noise when the device is idle
Mar 20 16:18:15 <steve-marinos> serp_ can you confirm?
Mar 20 16:18:53 <canny[m]> steve-marinos: I may be wrong, but I took that as a reference to the play "Waiting for Godot" ;)
Mar 20 16:19:45 <steve-marinos> ffs someone tell me what is a godot :D
Mar 20 16:21:49 <steve-marinos> @Amy Ramshaw: I don’t think the sound issue is because of the microphone. When I said “you can hear yourself scrolling” I did not mean any environmental noises. What you can hear is electronic/static noise probably caused by interference from other electronic parts. So if you scroll, the CPU has more to do and the noise pattern changes. Like when you hear interference from a mobile phone in speakers.
Mar 20 16:21:49 <steve-marinos> This is pretty common and usually fixed by better shielding of the audio components.
Mar 20 16:21:49 <steve-marinos> Felix Knecht
Mar 20 16:21:49 <steve-marinos> 1 day ago
Mar 20 16:21:51 <steve-marinos> The weird thing here is, that this issue goes away when something is played over the headphones. Although I'm not 100% sure, at least I can't notice the noise anymore when playing e.g. podcasts with rather silent parts.
Mar 20 16:22:06 <steve-marinos> one of the backers about the noise sound
Mar 20 16:22:36 <steve-marinos> I wish serp_ was here to confirm if this is specific on some devices while others don't have it
Mar 20 16:22:51 <depscribe[m]> steve-marinos: the famous samuel beckett play, "waiting for godot" has people hanging around talking while waiting for godot. godot never arrives.
Mar 20 16:23:30 <canny[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot
Mar 20 16:23:49 <steve-marinos> depscribe[m], canny[m] thanks to you i had to google :P
Mar 20 16:23:57 <steve-marinos> yeah am reading about it now
Mar 20 16:24:07 <steve-marinos> there is also a game engine godot
Mar 20 16:24:33 <canny[m]> lol
Mar 20 16:24:54 <steve-marinos> so we're here, we're talking hanging in the virtual world
Mar 20 16:25:17 <steve-marinos> waiting for godot
Mar 20 16:25:22 <steve-marinos> to play
Mar 20 16:26:14 <depscribe[m]> steve-marinos: yeppers!
Mar 20 16:26:48 <steve-marinos> depscribe[m], you make sound terrible mate, am I such a bad companion :P :'D
Mar 20 16:27:01 <steve-marinos> and that's a lot of godot act to read
Mar 20 16:27:03 <steve-marinos> lol
Mar 20 16:27:24 <steve-marinos> make it sound*
Mar 20 16:28:52 <steve-marinos> one of the backers who had keyboard issue replied to his post .... "Herra Mannen Great news! Planet Computers’ Robin has been in touch, will send a new rubber mat in a week or two, as it arrives from the factory. Will report back how it worked out. Apprently the quality problems with the rubber mat have been noted and resolved. So stay tuned for new, beautiful photos:)"
Mar 20 16:29:10 <steve-marinos> this one stripped his keyboard to the chassis
Mar 20 16:31:07 <cos-> do we know is it possible to disassemble gemini non-destructively enough to replace the mat?
Mar 20 16:31:35 <cos-> i'll probably ask for a new mat if there's anything wrong with mine
Mar 20 16:31:39 <steve-marinos> in case someone wants to follow : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/permalink/1808884739412567/?comment_id=1810180559282985&notif_id=1521562341965026&notif_t=group_comment_follow&ref=notif
Mar 20 16:32:00 <steve-marinos> cos-, check his post with pictures
Mar 20 16:32:38 <cos-> ok, looks like it's possible
Mar 20 16:33:40 <steve-marinos> kinda nice that he had a reply with replacement and the fact that the factory did not just apologized :D
Mar 20 16:34:04 <u0_a1013> The key caps all come off with a gentle leverage, once they're all off the mat should be easily swapped out
Mar 20 16:34:26 <u0_a1013> of course, remember to take a photo of the keyboard before you start taking key caps off!
Mar 20 16:36:38 <depscribe[m]> steve-marinos: i was thinking more of the waiting . . . and waiting . . . and waiting. all the while our expectations for the device grow. soon, we'll plan on unpacking a posket cray supercomputer. (when we'll be lucky if the thing works reliably at all.)
Mar 20 16:39:46 <depscribe[m]> u0_a1013: re. the photo -- that's really true. we used to take the caps off our ibm model m keyboards to wash them (warm water, dish soap, old toothbrush, though you could put them in a net bag on the top basket of a dishwasher, too) and woe to the person who forgot to keep track of what went where. though i had a colleague who didn't like others in the newsroom using his terminal, so he switched the keycaps all
Mar 20 16:39:47 <depscribe[m]> around, because he was the only one who touch typed.
Mar 20 16:40:27 <u0_a1013> :D
Mar 20 16:46:35 <steve-marinos> depscribe[m], I lowered my expectations mate after the 1st batch, if it is possible to refund I would have done it and backed Pyra or got the GPD2
Mar 20 16:50:31 <depscribe[m]> steve-marinos: The second batch will tell us much about how serious PC is. If the QC issues get resolved and questions get answered, we'll know they are serious about having a company that makes products worth having.
Mar 20 16:50:40 <cowboycoder> @steve-marinos hang in there
Mar 20 16:53:03 <depscribe[m]> With all the pressure, my guess is that the second batch will be the best Geminis ever.
Mar 20 16:57:39 <steve-marinos> depscribe[m], I hope the next one too :D cowboycoder not much I can do now mate :D just hoping for the best for both us and PC
Mar 20 16:58:06 <steve-marinos> kinda like speaking out loud my mind
Mar 20 16:59:02 <steve-marinos> but I do like the whole Gemini Idea and like i said before maybe in the future I will look back to this and see how much I was wrong in my assumptions
Mar 20 17:01:08 <cowboycoder> I'm hoping there'll be some news on Sailfish soon too
Mar 20 17:01:51 <steve-marinos> guess we will have to wait on SOFS not sure if it will be tight with the version 3 release or not
Mar 20 17:02:55 <steve-marinos> tied*
Mar 20 17:44:59 <razumihin> steve-marinos: GPD stuff is much more "do-it-yourself" than the first batch geminis even after they have made like five devices.
Mar 20 17:45:18 <razumihin> Like, they feel unsafe to leave charging over night.
Mar 20 17:45:43 <razumihin> And you really had to pull pocket apart to make it function properly.
Mar 20 17:47:09 <steve-marinos> razumihin, is it this bad ? to be honest I am more lean towards Pyra but it took them long and still not in production I did not know that GPD2 was a hustle to be honest
Mar 20 17:47:30 <razumihin> Well I sold my pocket as I could not get it to function reliably.
Mar 20 17:48:22 <razumihin> The charging circuit was made by someone having no clue how to make a proper charging system.
Mar 20 17:48:45 <razumihin> I feel like that was the biggest mistake. It
Mar 20 17:49:08 <steve-marinos> what would drive me of the GPD is no 4g support
Mar 20 17:49:21 <razumihin> It unplugged the mains circuit whenever 100% was reached, but continued charging when it dropped to 98
Mar 20 17:49:23 <steve-marinos> to be honest as am looking for something with LTE support
Mar 20 17:49:37 <razumihin> Oh, there was pretty much no wifi support too :P
Mar 20 17:49:48 <razumihin> As the range was like it was 1999 :)
Mar 20 17:50:01 <steve-marinos> razumihin, oh wow, is it same for the GPD2?
Mar 20 17:50:06 <razumihin> No idea.
Mar 20 17:50:55 <razumihin> Sorry, kid woke up, have to go and check :)
Mar 20 17:51:45 <steve-marinos> razumihin, ok mate
Mar 20 17:52:12 <steve-marinos> my daughter took over earlier on sailfish channel and typed all kind of kid code there
Mar 20 18:07:11 <DaPol2> steve-marinos: And still exceeded the code quality of a lot of Android developers? :)
Mar 20 18:08:20 <steve-marinos> DaPol2, LMFAO
Mar 20 18:09:19 <steve-marinos> DaPol2, there you go, someone crack that :'D "jkwllppdl;cds1lpleoeoele,kw,kl,,,,e,el3pewlllleo3454lo3lollleooekoeopsspdplo3e3lo3p33-3-22o212;;;-rl3---0o-e3-2pp-p=p=[=p======p,..:fgCFR}"cf"
Mar 20 18:09:40 <steve-marinos> her own code at SFOS rendered all quiet :)
Mar 20 19:28:52 <Varti> steve-marinos: happens to me all the time :)
Mar 20 19:29:09 <Varti> that's some obfuscated code
Mar 20 19:35:04 <razumihin> Well the kid sleeps and i got my chinese smartwatch from the mail.
Mar 20 19:35:23 <razumihin> Amazefit Stratos, seems like a well build device.
Mar 20 19:35:52 <razumihin> I was going to use that with gemini, but now i've got the watch but no gemini so I paired it with iphone.
Mar 20 19:35:53 <steve-marinos> razumihin, did you get your gemini?
Mar 20 19:36:03 <razumihin> Nope, not yet.
Mar 20 19:36:10 <razumihin> I'm in the early 2000's
Mar 20 19:36:26 <steve-marinos> because i was thinking am gonna need one too for the gemini, watch I mean
Mar 20 19:36:42 <steve-marinos> so next batch which production should start next week
Mar 20 19:36:55 <razumihin> Yeah, I did some research. There's ~40euro aliexpress watches that are okay if you're willing to charge it every night.
Mar 20 19:37:07 <razumihin> But the best thing you can buy is the stratos.
Mar 20 19:37:20 <steve-marinos> Varti, the code that baffled all devs :'D
Mar 20 19:37:21 <razumihin> or bip if you don't like big watches.
Mar 20 19:38:08 <razumihin> Amazefit's should have at least four days of battery life on charge.
Mar 20 19:38:32 <steve-marinos> still haven't set my mind or searched for any yet, I gifted my wife the latest samsung one looks fine but i guess i will settle to a cheaper one
Mar 20 19:38:57 <razumihin> Truth is that I still want pebble 2 HR :)
Mar 20 19:39:08 <razumihin> But amazefit is the closest available.
Mar 20 19:40:15 <cos-> i just got a ~40$ smartwatch, testing it with jolla before gemini arrives
Mar 20 19:40:27 <steve-marinos> there is one I seen couple days a go looks like a bracelet forgot its brand though
Mar 20 19:40:42 <cos-> surprisingly it supports some standard bt profiles, so it's usable without the software
Mar 20 19:40:49 <razumihin> Fitbit has bracelets
Mar 20 19:41:00 <steve-marinos> razumihin, yeah fitbit
Mar 20 19:41:07 <steve-marinos> are these any good?
Mar 20 19:41:13 <steve-marinos> I hate wearing stuff
Mar 20 19:41:14 <cos-> this is K88H
Mar 20 19:41:17 <razumihin> cos-: Amazefit did not even show menu before activation.
Mar 20 19:41:26 <steve-marinos> been ages since I wore a watch
Mar 20 19:41:33 <razumihin> I was going to buy that one too, but i wanted more battery life.
Mar 20 19:41:49 <cos-> feels like 90's with a watch on my wrist
Mar 20 19:42:01 <steve-marinos> yeah battery life is critical, the samsung lasts only 2 days I guess
Mar 20 19:42:28 <steve-marinos> which is not great in my opinion I expected more
Mar 20 19:42:28 <razumihin> So you feel like you're in the best decade ever!
Mar 20 19:42:56 <cos-> battery life sucks in any case, even the expensive ones last for only 30 days
Mar 20 19:43:12 <razumihin> Well 5 days was the best i could find :P
Mar 20 19:43:17 <steve-marinos> 30 days is fucking awesome lol
Mar 20 19:43:45 <cos-> i'll buy a expensive watch when it's 6 months or more..
Mar 20 19:44:05 <steve-marinos> how much expensive are those ?
Mar 20 19:44:10 <potate[m]> or get a $5 casio watch
Mar 20 19:44:31 <cos-> iirc something like 300€ or more
Mar 20 19:44:32 <steve-marinos> I mean i don't want to spend another 3**$ for a watch
Mar 20 19:45:13 <steve-marinos> potate[m], does work on Gemini :D
Mar 20 19:46:36 <steve-marinos> well all i would care for is something to show caller and could make a call while Gemini is closed
Mar 20 19:46:58 <steve-marinos> other than that battery life
Mar 20 19:47:26 <potate[m]> Maybe someone will make a clever mod to display stuff on the lid of the Gemini
Mar 20 19:47:56 <cos-> some kind of eink cover hack would rule so much
Mar 20 19:48:23 <steve-marinos> cos-, that would be dope but using what ports?
Mar 20 19:48:48 <steve-marinos> or maybe bluetooth
Mar 20 19:48:49 <steve-marinos> ?
Mar 20 19:48:53 <steve-marinos> would it work?
Mar 20 19:49:32 <cos-> preferably i2c or spi if found somewhere on the board
Mar 20 19:49:55 <cos-> already done on jolla, but it has supported power & i2c on back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbXSQx54NJE
Mar 20 19:49:58 <steve-marinos> eink bluetooth seems less hustle if it works
Mar 20 19:50:14 <steve-marinos> watching
Mar 20 19:50:38 <cos-> bluetooth wastes power though
Mar 20 19:51:09 <steve-marinos> well with the watch you will be using it neither less
Mar 20 19:51:41 <cos-> true
Mar 20 19:51:45 <steve-marinos> but I could live with that also, not sure on the gemini HW part if it would be supported
Mar 20 19:52:20 <cos-> perhaps the camera port could be used for necessary i/o
Mar 20 19:52:23 <steve-marinos> or if the camera port would work on that in a way
Mar 20 19:52:47 <steve-marinos> :)
Mar 20 19:53:19 <steve-marinos> I wish PC thought of that in design
Mar 20 19:53:48 <androvex[m]> Gemini has BTLE  so not sure that is an issue per se
Mar 20 19:53:58 <steve-marinos> I can think of couple things that would have made the gemini better including eink or an lcd same as it was on the e90
Mar 20 19:54:06 <cos-> Jolla thought, but no company created products for the other half
Mar 20 19:54:44 <steve-marinos> small yet enough to see your notifications
Mar 20 19:54:57 <cos-> second display would probably have made it too expensive, and it would need custom app to support it so i understand not including it (yet)
Mar 20 19:55:22 <androvex[m]> I still have my PTS so I don't really care ;)
Mar 20 19:55:29 <cos-> maybe gemini 2 has second display
Mar 20 19:55:31 <steve-marinos> well some did back up the camera for 50$
Mar 20 19:55:56 <steve-marinos> I don't think an extra lcd would costs more with old tech
Mar 20 19:55:59 <androvex[m]> I backed the Keyboard other half but that never reached it's goal. .also back the tablet but the less said about that the better..
Mar 20 19:56:15 <androvex[m]> Still they did give me a discount on Sailfish X and so I went for that.. bought a cheap Xperia off ebay and flashed it and have to say I really like the experience..
Mar 20 19:56:17 <steve-marinos> androvex[m], lol
Mar 20 19:56:50 <steve-marinos> androvex[m], that's encouraging on the sfos
Mar 20 19:56:56 <cos-> androvex[m]: keyboard toh was manufactured, i have it
Mar 20 19:57:25 <cos-> but to be honest it's amateur quality. mine stopped working after maybe a year's use
Mar 20 19:57:30 <androvex[m]> Sailfish is nice.. really.. it feels different of course but in no way is it clunky like that..  I will certainly put it on my Gemni when I get it.
Mar 20 19:58:00 <steve-marinos> yeah hoping to replace android for SFOS
Mar 20 19:58:09 <steve-marinos> and dual a debian
Mar 20 19:58:47 <steve-marinos> unless postmarketos made a surprise
Mar 20 19:59:43 <cos-> i want debian as chroot in sailfish, that would be the best of both worlds
Mar 20 19:59:47 <steve-marinos> kinda feel  resurrection of maemo with this one
Mar 20 20:00:20 <androvex[m]> Ahh right sorry I dropped the pledge.. now I remember.. There was some problem with the phone I beleive and they said it would take like months to get and I though stuff it then .
Mar 20 20:00:42 <androvex[m]> cos-: Sailfish is linux underneath.. honest..
Mar 20 20:01:34 <steve-marinos> well i see myself trying all 4 if not more when i receive mine and if by then all 4 OS's are mature enough
Mar 20 20:02:03 <cos-> androvex[m]: but you can't run desktop or desktop apps on it (without said chroot)
Mar 20 20:02:57 <androvex[m]> Dunno.. it runs wayland so in theory why not..
Mar 20 20:03:12 <steve-marinos> HM am interested if it will be possible to plug an external wifi adapter and try some wireless sniffing
Mar 20 20:03:31 <steve-marinos> MITM
Mar 20 20:03:48 <cos-> androvex[m]: it supports only guis written in qt+qml+silica, and about none desktop apps do that
Mar 20 20:05:13 <androvex[m]> That is because those are the standaer libraries on it.
Mar 20 20:05:28 <androvex[m]> But honestly it is linux undernearth
Mar 20 20:05:38 <cos-> linux is a kernel
Mar 20 20:06:26 <androvex[m]> hang lemme login and show you..
Mar 20 20:07:10 <cos-> as a maemo, meego & sailfish developer i know what it is and what it's  not :-)
Mar 20 20:08:04 <cos-> you can't take for example a gtk app and run it on sailfish, without installing the required libraries and proper integration to the wayland compositor
Mar 20 20:09:47 <devyl[m]>  > androvex[m]: it supports only guis written in qt+qml+silica, and about none desktop apps do that
Mar 20 20:09:48 <devyl[m]> ehm you can run qt desktop apps
Mar 20 20:10:03 <devyl[m]> for example telegram qt desktop was ported to sfos (arm)
Mar 20 20:10:35 <cos-> if you mean sailorgram, i'm using it and it's clearly a silica based gui
Mar 20 20:10:43 * androvex[m] posted a file: nemo-ps.txt (44KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RgwDiLHgAyAplHQetRCjYNmD>
Mar 20 20:11:06 <devyl[m]> noooo
Mar 20 20:11:08 <devyl[m]> not sailorgram
Mar 20 20:11:10 <androvex[m]> You quite a lot fo things have been ported
Mar 20 20:11:11 <NotKit> Telegram Qt desktop was ported, but the author of port abandoned it and didn't publish the changes
Mar 20 20:11:30 <cos-> which gui toolkit it uses, then?
Mar 20 20:11:32 <devyl[m]> the normal telegram desktop qt app
Mar 20 20:12:11 <cos-> afaik c++ widgets or qt quick components are not supported.. basic qml apps work if they don't use any ui toolkit
Mar 20 20:12:19 <devyl[m]> qt g if you want i could send you the rpm
Mar 20 20:12:41 <potate[m]> is there any way to use telegram without proving a phone number?
Mar 20 20:12:46 <potate[m]> providing
Mar 20 20:13:30 <androvex[m]> It is a phone for christ sake don't expect to be able run Kdenlive on it.
Mar 20 20:14:22 <cos-> potate[m]: afaik nope, anyway ppl are moving to matrix for replacing telegram
Mar 20 20:15:12 <cos-> but if there is a sailfish gui app that's not silica or basic qml based, i'd like to see the source
Mar 20 20:15:31 <androvex[m]> Bear in mind you can still install your Android apps if you really want to.
Mar 20 20:16:21 * devyl[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20180320_001.png (99KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/GQeAYXcIldjhbdKBMfiDimJc>
Mar 20 20:16:35 <devyl[m]> (screenshot from my jolla c)
Mar 20 20:17:02 <androvex[m]> Does it have a store link maybe ?
Mar 20 20:17:29 <cos-> that doesn't look like silica, but it could be plain qml gui
Mar 20 20:18:10 <devyl[m]> i could upload the rpm somewhere ?! :)
Mar 20 20:18:45 <cos-> not useful, github repo would be better :-
Mar 20 20:19:31 <cos-> SDL apps are also supported btw
Mar 20 20:19:39 <devyl[m]> i dont have the source... i got the rpm from a guy on the german sfos group on telegram
Mar 20 20:20:16 <devyl[m]> the port was done from a russian coder ...
Mar 20 20:20:36 <potate[m]> cos-: ah that's good to hear, not really keen on giving my number to some random program so I can use it. Sounds sketchy
Mar 20 20:21:19 <cos-> devyl[m]: but is there reason to believe it's not qml ui? and if it's not in the store, it could ship some own libraries that could be anything..
Mar 20 20:23:21 <devyl[m]> yes; there is just a big binary (30mb + libstdc++.so.6.0.22) in the rpm and no qml files
Mar 20 20:23:40 <cos-> qml's are usually embedded in the binary as resources
Mar 20 20:23:47 <devyl[m]> (okok and an icon and a config file xD)
Mar 20 20:23:59 <devyl[m]> https://cloud.disroot.org/s/apKt9jKEcQb65B5 if someone wants it
Mar 20 20:24:28 <TheKit> cos-, Telegram-desktop is not QML
Mar 20 20:24:37 <devyl[m]> in normal sfos not... but yes... could be compiled in the binary
Mar 20 20:25:03 <devyl[m]> jup... and why should someone rewrite the hole ui in qml if it runs directly
Mar 20 20:25:57 <devyl[m]> the port is a nice example that it is possible to run desktop apps on sfos...
Mar 20 20:26:03 <devyl[m]> ah... and the file select-boxes are not touchfriendly..
Mar 20 20:26:15 <TheKit> but Telegram has pretty complicated build system
Mar 20 20:26:27 <TheKit> they build their own Qt version and static link to it by default
Mar 20 20:26:59 <potate[m]> Why can't we just use irc!
Mar 20 20:27:10 <potate[m]> and I say that while logged into the matrix chat
Mar 20 20:27:28 <DaPol2> potate[m]: Would you like the 5 minute rant about the move away from common standards, or the full half week?
Mar 20 20:27:48 <cos-> TheKit: ok, that explains. it probably uses qt widgets then.
Mar 20 20:28:06 <devyl[m]> because irc needs permanent connections?
Mar 20 20:28:19 <TheKit> the issue with Telegram port to Sailfish that it was not done by Russian, and the guy who did it erased his sources for some reason
Mar 20 20:28:25 <devyl[m]> g
Mar 20 20:28:31 <DaPol2> devyl[m]: So run a BNC somewhere and bounce through that
Mar 20 20:28:40 * DaPol2 mostly uses Bitblee for most things
Mar 20 20:29:40 <cos-> https://together.jolla.com/question/78324/questionpure-c-sailfish-documentation/
Mar 20 20:30:03 <potate[m]> DaPol2: let me grab some popcorn
Mar 20 20:30:34 <devyl[m]> jup, but it's not a solution for every noob...
Mar 20 20:31:51 <cos-> instead of statically compiling half of qt in all applications, i'd still prefer a chroot with all the shared libs for any app to use
Mar 20 20:31:53 <DaPol2> potate[m]: rant rant XMPP rant rant IRC rant rant Jingle Rant rant SIP rant rant RANT bloody Hangouts rant effing FB Messenger
Mar 20 20:32:32 * devyl[m] remembers the days he exmplained how to use xchat/mirc to others... back in the 90s...
Mar 20 20:32:48 <devyl[m]> xD
Mar 20 20:32:50 <DaPol2> Or - the high point was about 2008 when GChat could federate XMPP, FB would talk XMPP, Jingle was up and coming fro voice with XMPP command channel and then it all went back to walled gardens and piss poor messaging clinets.
Mar 20 20:33:28 <DaPol2> I'm not letting the FB messenger app *near* my devices - that bloody awful text editor they've implemented badly in their web interface is bad enough
Mar 20 20:39:33 <androvex[m]> I ended up setting up my own xmpp server so I could still talk to friends once Yahoo on Pidgin stopped working.
Mar 20 20:40:02 <androvex[m]> Works quite well. Conversations is a nice android client and support OTR
Mar 20 21:04:07 <WorkingClassDev> CentreICQ was where it was at, cli xmpp w00p w00p
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