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Mar 21 08:50:48 <VartiWork> there's someone on Telegram that is working on a Lineage OS port on the Gemini
Mar 21 09:10:17 <razumihin> Hmm... how do telegram channels even work? I might join that.
Mar 21 09:11:15 <razumihin> Well, i think i figured it out.
Mar 21 09:13:25 <cos-> someone should bridge it here, it makes no sense to split discussion to two
Mar 21 09:13:46 <razumihin> Yeah, is there irc-telegram bridge?
Mar 21 09:15:16 <cos-> yes
Mar 21 09:21:21 <greguu> oh no, what about a einstein-rosen-hawking bridge ? would that not bring us _all_ a bit closer ?
Mar 21 09:23:35 <VartiWork> razumihin: I'm using the Telegram's web client, though I have everytime to enter a code sent to my phone to login from my PC, since my browser is setup to not store cookies
Mar 21 09:23:59 <razumihin> Sounds hard :)
Mar 21 09:24:15 <razumihin> I'm just using my default telegram account with desktop client and it seems to work.
Mar 21 09:25:21 <VartiWork> yes, it's an annoyance... at my home the web client automatically logs in everytime I open the URL
Mar 21 09:25:47 <VartiWork> greguu: lol, what about a bridge to the Moscow–Washington hotline? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow%E2%80%93Washington_hotline
Mar 21 09:31:59 <canny[m]> greguu: I'm afraid that would cause an  Einstein–Podolsky–Rosen Paradox - our wave function would collapse and we would wink out of existence!
Mar 21 09:33:04 <varti[m]> canny: you are now talking like Doc from Back from the Future :D
Mar 21 09:33:13 <greguu> canny[m] well, that would make the Moscow-Washington hotline obsolete at least
Mar 21 09:33:19 <VartiWork> hehe
Mar 21 09:33:54 <greguu> I wonder what tech the US-RU hotline is based on nowadays ? I obviously must be high tech and encrypted, so collaboration from both sides is involved ?
Mar 21 09:34:07 <greguu> s/is/I
Mar 21 09:34:11 <canny[m]> lol...or maybe more like Prof Rick Sanchez (from Rick and Morty)
Mar 21 09:35:11 <cos-> greguu: i think they use twitter
Mar 21 09:35:49 <cos-> at least US-PRK diplomacy is in twitter :-)
Mar 21 09:35:52 <greguu> cos- that sounds very plausible, hidden keywords in plain sights
Mar 21 09:40:39 <VartiWork> btw that might explain Trump's "covfefe"
Mar 21 09:41:05 <VartiWork> it was a message for Putin
Mar 21 09:41:55 <greguu> bloddy hell, Covfefe
Mar 21 09:41:56 <greguu> (v.) When your wife slaps your hand away from the keyboard, mid-tweet!Y
Mar 21 09:43:27 <greguu> thank you VartiWork, I would never heard of this otherwise
Mar 21 09:47:43 <VartiWork> heh you're welcome
Mar 21 09:49:05 <VartiWork> I learned about it in #zaurus (unsurprisingly)
Mar 21 09:54:27 <greguu> I thought there was a reason why I removed that channel from my autojoin list... now you really make me question that decission..
Mar 21 09:55:00 <VartiWork> heh
Mar 21 09:55:07 <VartiWork> brb
Mar 21 10:06:23 * greguu is not sure if sarcasm, black humor and irony are too well perceived in this channel..
Mar 21 10:06:56 <canny[m]> irony?  is that like silvery and goldy?  ; )
Mar 21 10:08:51 <greguu> full on mate, thats the spirit
Mar 21 12:49:49 <greguu> VartWork: back ?
Mar 21 12:50:00 <VartiWork> yes
Mar 21 12:50:53 <VartiWork> there's someone on oesf pestering other users and asking them if they'd like to sell him their Gemini
Mar 21 12:52:13 <VartiWork> all: if you have received such a PM, please disregard his message, I'm going to give him a warning
Mar 21 12:53:50 <jeffers_[m]> wow
Mar 21 12:54:41 <jeffers_[m]> I'm order 1290, 4G model, do you think it will arrive before or after the order tracker, place your bets now!
Mar 21 12:56:12 <greguu> must be quite impatient the poor fella, desperate maybe even...
Mar 21 12:58:09 <greguu> jeffers[m] I am order 62xx and 4G upgrade perk with 72xx. Just sit back and relax.
Mar 21 13:00:56 <jeffers_[m]> yeah I know
Mar 21 13:01:00 <canny[m]> As my current phone's battery isn't holding charge in cold weather, I thought I could wait until the next batch of units come out.  But I can't wait any longer and have asked the local phone fixing company to get a new Nexus 6P battery for me...shame though - will probably stop using it once the Gemini appears!
Mar 21 13:01:14 <jeffers_[m]> basically the answer is, sometime this year
Mar 21 13:01:35 <jeffers_[m]> canny: I'm hoping my nexus 4 holds out!
Mar 21 13:02:31 <greguu> hey, how is your dying phone battery related to a crowd funding campains delivery obligations ?
Mar 21 13:02:53 <canny[m]> jeffers_: fingers crossed for ya!  just a shame the 6P is a sealed unit - I hate having to hand my phone over to someone else to 'fix'
Mar 21 13:03:42 <canny[m]> greguu: none at all!  just don't want to spend more money on replacing old hardware when I have new hardware on order!
Mar 21 13:04:29 <canny[m]> I mean...replacing components of old hardware....if you get me
Mar 21 13:05:01 <greguu> I think the key is "patience".. as hard as it may sound. I have a Nexus 5 with Sailfish community port, it lasts about 15h now without recharge..still using it
Mar 21 13:06:29 <greguu> and I may see the Gemini end of May, maybe later even..
Mar 21 13:06:55 <cos-> it would be very tempting to sell gemini for £900 and excercise patience to get a new one shipped :-)
Mar 21 13:07:18 <greguu> did you get yours cos- ?
Mar 21 13:08:31 <cos-> not yet, 4 days after "not later than" date :-)
Mar 21 13:08:55 * greguu no comment
Mar 21 13:09:10 <razumihin> cos-: What firm is trying to deliver it? :D
Mar 21 13:09:46 <cos-> it's "Processed at INT Hub" at hermes tracking, no other info
Mar 21 13:09:57 <greguu> HERMES ! HERMES !
Mar 21 13:10:04 <greguu> sorry I had to do that
Mar 21 13:10:08 <cos-> last updated yesterda, so something is happening indeed
Mar 21 13:10:25 <razumihin> I didn't even know that hermes operates in finland :P
Mar 21 13:10:32 <jeffers_[m]> I'm very thankful that couriers are great in Japan
Mar 21 13:10:57 <jeffers_[m]> fingers crossed for everyone with Hermes
Mar 21 13:12:49 <greguu> jeffers_[m] agree, there is no such thing as poor service in Japan.
Mar 21 13:13:42 <greguu> some backers in down under got their units already I heard... well I wonder how these were delivered
Mar 21 13:14:09 <greguu> as couries tend to chuck parcels over the fence or leave them at the doorstep here
Mar 21 13:14:44 <cos-> razumihin: does it?
Mar 21 13:15:09 <razumihin> cos-: Well, at least you have some kind of tracking code for them.
Mar 21 13:15:13 <jeffers_[m]> greguu: poor service does exist, it just looks like great service would be elsewhere, i.e. they did their job
Mar 21 13:15:22 <razumihin> Have you tried feeding the tracking code to posti systems?
Mar 21 13:15:31 <razumihin> I've found couple of missing packets that way.
Mar 21 13:15:34 <cos-> razumihin: everyone gets hermes tracking, it's what planet uses for shipping
Mar 21 13:15:47 <razumihin> Okay.
Mar 21 13:15:54 <cos-> hm, i'll check with posti..
Mar 21 13:16:19 <greguu> jeffers[m] thats the key thing, the customer is happy. anyting else is a bonus
Mar 21 13:16:20 <razumihin> (Actually the amazefit clock was missing and i suddendly got the idea to try the postnl code to posti)
Mar 21 13:16:33 <cos-> not valid in posti
Mar 21 13:16:41 <razumihin> Yeah :/ DHL?
Mar 21 13:16:56 <razumihin> They're at least proficient in not telling anything to anyone.
Mar 21 13:17:12 <razumihin> http://www.dhl.com/en/express/tracking.html
Mar 21 13:17:30 <cos-> nope
Mar 21 13:17:42 <cos-> well, it comes when it comes.
Mar 21 13:17:53 <razumihin> Yeah.
Mar 21 13:18:04 <razumihin> You'll get it eventually.
Mar 21 13:19:12 <jeffers_[m]> Someone should make a thread on facebook: orders 1000-9999 delivery ETA, later this year
Mar 21 13:20:29 <jeffers_[m]> the IGG comments are just full of people lacking basic reading skills or can't find the "more comments" link
Mar 21 13:20:54 <jeffers_[m]> and I'm not including the non-ENglish native speaking contingent
Mar 21 13:21:12 * greguu is hiding.. just in case
Mar 21 13:21:42 <VartiWork> night greguu
Mar 21 13:22:15 <razumihin> Well... people who buy stuff from indiegogo campaigns have often low impulse control :D
Mar 21 13:23:14 <razumihin> I'm more suprised that planet guys seemed not to anticipate it, poor them :)
Mar 21 13:23:50 <jeffers_[m]> it does make for good entertainment
Mar 21 13:24:27 <greguu> VartiWork: pō pai
Mar 21 13:24:49 <greguu> or buona notte
Mar 21 13:25:01 <greguu> "gute nacht" mayve
Mar 21 13:25:05 <greguu> maybe
Mar 21 13:27:03 <jeffers_[m]> I'd like to do a good unboxing video when it comes, but my nexus 4 camera isn't great
Mar 21 13:27:53 <razumihin> I think that there will be like a million unboxing videos already :P
Mar 21 13:29:15 <jeffers_[m]> yeah, you need that first mover advantage!
Mar 21 13:30:02 <jeffers_[m]> actually though, here's an idea. Challenge people to do videos of them being productive in the most unusual places.
Mar 21 13:32:08 <depscribe[m]> morning, everyone. wondering if any geminium have reached the u.s.
Mar 21 13:34:35 <VartiWork> greguu: lahko noč :)
Mar 21 14:05:29 <akik> connman one liner guide: "Hi, the problem I realised is once you have entered your Wifi password the ok button is not on the screen due to it's small size. After entering the password I hit Tab 5 times and then Enter and that should save the setting , a few seconds later you should see the Wifi connect in the bottom right corner of the screen,"
Mar 21 14:20:44 <jeffers_[m]> is this in the debian preview?
Mar 21 14:21:56 <akik> jeffers_[m]: yes
Mar 21 14:22:10 <akik> i copy pasted it from oesf
Mar 21 14:23:52 <akik> https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34790&st=45
Mar 21 14:26:38 <akik> https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=5985
Mar 21 14:26:58 <akik> does it have kde installed? the screenshot is running "sudo apt install kdewallpapers"
Mar 21 14:27:17 <akik> or can you switch the ui whatever it is by default, to kde?
Mar 21 14:27:29 <cos-> it's debian, you can install anything you want
Mar 21 14:27:55 <cos-> kdewallpapers probably doesn't depend on other packages so it wouldn't pull kde
Mar 21 14:27:58 <razumihin> I have bad experiences on scaled kde though.
Mar 21 14:28:15 <akik> razumihin: you can change the dpi to your liking
Mar 21 14:28:26 <razumihin> akik: It works badly on some kde tools.
Mar 21 14:28:37 <razumihin> (I tried on GPD pocket)
Mar 21 14:28:49 <akik> razumihin: which tools?
Mar 21 14:28:50 <canny[m]> looking at that screenshot, "connman" sounds like a dubious app to me!
Mar 21 14:29:10 <razumihin> akik: I don't remember, I just remember that it was not touch usable,
Mar 21 14:29:33 <cos-> no linux desktop is touch usable
Mar 21 14:29:42 <razumihin> Well, ubuntu unity was pretty good.
Mar 21 14:29:53 <razumihin> Then they changed it to gnome and...
Mar 21 14:29:59 <cos-> the launcher might work with touch, but apps don't. you need mouse to use linux.
Mar 21 14:30:48 <razumihin> Depends, some were very good.
Mar 21 14:31:00 <razumihin> But don't try playing openttd :)
Mar 21 14:50:38 <jeffers_[m]> I used connman once or twice, but I think I went to wicd
Mar 21 14:50:59 <jeffers_[m]> you might do better with the CLI
Mar 21 14:51:16 <jeffers_[m]> wicd has a ncurses thing if I recall
Mar 21 14:58:25 <akik> which debian version is it on the gemini image?
Mar 21 15:00:49 <akik> i'm seeing kde-runtime version 4:4.14.2-2 on debian jessie
Mar 21 15:07:10 <jeffers_[m]> probably that then
Mar 21 15:13:13 <akik> i don't know if it's jessie
Mar 21 15:13:26 <akik> i could download the image and take a look
Mar 21 15:14:05 <depscribe[m]> akik (IRC): supposed to be stretch.
Mar 21 15:15:21 <adam_b> akik: it is stretch we have also just added support for buster to the build server so may happen at some point too
Mar 21 15:15:35 <akik> ok thanks
Mar 21 15:16:04 <akik> does stretch have plasma 4 or 5?
Mar 21 15:17:14 <adam_b> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/plasma-desktop
Mar 21 15:17:38 <akik> ok
Mar 21 22:18:51 <Kee-Wham> Anyone here who owns a Gemini PDA yet?
Mar 21 22:31:32 <Kee-Wham> Anyone here?
Mar 21 22:32:22 <androvex[m]> Nobody here but us chickens.
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