**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 22 03:00:03 2018 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 22 03:34:00 2018 Mar 22 18:41:48 TheKit[m]hey mate, do you think the new Huawei chipset is linux compatible? Mar 22 18:41:55 HiSilicon Kirin 960 Mar 22 18:46:51 steve-marinos: the place seems a little deserted. Mar 22 18:47:13 This whole silence on the wifi models is making me rather sad Mar 22 18:49:13 WorkingClassDev: least they're not telling you something that's not true. Mar 22 18:49:33 well they are... remember the shipping date??? :D Mar 22 18:50:02 i meant lying to you in particular. remember the order tracker? Mar 22 18:50:18 I get the whole order number thing but then to say oh yea that only applies to 4g models 2 months after stating the order number thing pisses me right off Mar 22 18:50:58 what we have here is a failure by PC to communicate. Mar 22 18:51:07 correct Mar 22 18:51:16 they seem world class at that Mar 22 18:51:26 and it was all going so well... Mar 22 18:52:05 Go start some drama in the comments; spice things up a bit. Mar 22 18:52:35 cba with that, i did ask two weeks ago and got silence, noticed a few other wifi people ask as well and they are getting the same Mar 22 18:52:45 i pulled out an old acer netbook and put debian stretch and lxqt on it to simulate ehat the linux side will be like. i had forgotten how totally i hate trackpads. hate, hate, hate. and i don't want to carry a mouse around with my telephone Mar 22 18:52:58 the only people it'll hurt is PC because when they next do a project it wouln't be bought via crowdfunding Mar 22 18:53:06 "Hay Planet how about a update!!! Also my order number is 20,654 when will it be delivered I need it for May 1st kthnx." Mar 22 18:53:24 ehat=what Mar 22 18:53:30 or "I'm a journalist can I hz pda now?" Mar 22 18:53:48 "I need it to write my thesis how soon will I have it" Mar 22 18:54:00 pleeeeze PC I wub you Mar 22 18:54:07 What is this talk about a Huawei chipset? Mar 22 18:54:25 They claimed they would send them to backers before the press. Mar 22 18:54:47 we're apparently the press. who the backers are remains unknown. Mar 22 18:56:29 The wifi unit delay sucks, but I guess they didn't know how that would play out in manufacturing until "recently". Mar 22 18:56:49 oh you have news? I thought they still hadn't figured it out ? Mar 22 18:56:55 hah Mar 22 18:57:03 heeh Mar 22 18:57:16 part of me thinks about upgrading to the 4g Mar 22 18:57:23 but then i dont really want that Mar 22 18:57:33 I originally ordered a wifi unit because I wasn't sure I'd want to use this thing as a phone Mar 22 18:57:46 i know i wont use it as a phone Mar 22 18:57:46 then I realized that I rarely use my phone as a phone Mar 22 18:57:57 WorkingClassDev nothing wrong having a deivce that can place calls beside what it is Mar 22 18:58:12 so I figured I'd give it a shot as my only device rather than carrying two things. Mar 22 18:58:15 no there isnt but i also dont want to spent 100 quid more for something i wont use Mar 22 18:58:51 I'll always have my phone on me so no point having 4g on the gemini Mar 22 18:59:18 the only temptation is to shortcut the wait which seems stupid but tempting :) Mar 22 18:59:28 WorkingClassDev It wont be my daily driver for sure, am thinking of the honor v10 for mself now as an upgrade for the IP6s Mar 22 18:59:44 I am in the next batch ... hopefully that means my device gets built next week. Mar 22 18:59:52 i got a pixel, 100% happy with it so the only phone i see replacing that is a pixel 2 Mar 22 19:00:07 echicken yeah they did say next week 2nd batch production Mar 22 19:00:13 figers crossed echicken Mar 22 19:00:35 well, they said something along the lines that the boards would begin being produced next week Mar 22 19:00:43 WorkingClassDev not gonna spend tons of money on a phone anymore, I did that for years but not anymore Mar 22 19:01:05 i really like the pixel, i dont see me replacing it for a long time Mar 22 19:01:45 "SMT process starts next week" (2 days ago) Mar 22 19:01:53 WorkingClassDev yeap all that have a pixel seems to love it to the bone, I guess it is the pure android experience Mar 22 19:01:57 whats smt ? Mar 22 19:02:06 surface mount stuff I assume Mar 22 19:02:09 assembling the boards Mar 22 19:02:09 ahh k Mar 22 19:02:28 unless Nokia hit hard with something unexpected Mar 22 19:02:36 Nokia also uses pure android Mar 22 19:02:39 no skins Mar 22 19:02:44 My purchase said I would be in the first batch, which was a lie. I contacted them, and they keep claim I will be in the next batch. Mar 22 19:02:46 its not quid pure android but its pretty close Mar 22 19:02:58 4g Captain_Harlock[ ? Mar 22 19:03:03 maybe it'll take them a week to make all of the boards, another week to assemble the devices, maybe longer on both or either of those Mar 22 19:03:36 I lost hope to get mine before summer Mar 22 19:04:07 same Mar 22 19:04:13 im expecting june Mar 22 19:04:17 but i guess that'll slip Mar 22 19:04:20 at the moment PC is way off delivery time Mar 22 19:04:30 if it doesnt happen before june I think I'll look at options to cancel Mar 22 19:04:33 Yes, 4g Mar 22 19:04:45 I'd really like to have mine by May, but I'm not counting on it even if I'm in the batch that's supposed to enter production next week. Mar 22 19:04:50 4g units for some reason are not in production Mar 22 19:05:02 or delayed even for the early backers Mar 22 19:05:06 June, hmm, last time, they told me Mid April mine would ship. Mar 22 19:05:09 probs the x27 snafu Mar 22 19:05:19 I'm wifi Captain_Harlock[ Mar 22 19:05:31 I don't care what cpu it has.. Mar 22 19:05:42 correction I meant wifi version Mar 22 19:05:58 yea steve-marinos and its utter tumble weeds on the subject Mar 22 19:06:21 I only care about x25/x27 if x27 gives me improved battery life Mar 22 19:06:24 to be honest I find it weird and unjustified Mar 22 19:06:37 even if it means I will get mine kinda sooner Mar 22 19:06:37 yep Mar 22 19:06:49 more cash / profit margin in the 4g i can only guess Mar 22 19:07:05 or its easier to make or some other reason we aren't privvy to. Either way I'd like to bloody know Mar 22 19:07:11 then maybe not or maybe they did so for backers to switch to 4g? Mar 22 19:07:42 maybe Mar 22 19:07:42 WorkingClassDev: i'm thinking they're discovering that making wifi-only ones costs more than it's worth, given the low number of them. i suspect at some point they'll cancel wifi-only (and maybe send you a note saying they're sending you a 4g and don't tell anybody). of course, that secret wouldn't be secret for long and the 4g buyers will all want a $100 refund. PC doesn't seem to have thought out things, any Mar 22 19:07:43 things, at all well. Mar 22 19:07:58 means more cash flow, makes you wonder why they included a wifi version in the 1st place Mar 22 19:08:08 depscribe[m]: I've thought about this also Mar 22 19:08:47 Would be interesting to know what the numbers of orders are like for 4g vs wifi, especially amongst early backers Mar 22 19:08:53 That would suck and be cool at the same time. Mar 22 19:09:02 WorkingClassDev: either way, the wifi will be a collectors item of sorts. rare, anyway. Mar 22 19:09:03 499 wifi when i ordered Mar 22 19:09:03 There are security reasons for wanting wifi only. Mar 22 19:09:18 but you cant tell how many of those 499 were upgraded Mar 22 19:09:24 this could partly have to do with minimum quantities the factory wants to produce, something like that Mar 22 19:09:35 thats a good point echicken Mar 22 19:10:01 so say 100 upgraded, maybe only 300-400 to make, considering tooling that could be a bust Mar 22 19:10:19 echicken: factory has no problem with minimum quantities. all they've produced so far is minimum quantities. Mar 22 19:10:20 who knows; maybe they can satisfy more backers / more early backers by getting 2K more 4g boards produced Mar 22 19:11:18 kinda weird and they never gave a good reason, maybe an another factory fuck up that they are trying to cover? Mar 22 19:11:46 and then the wifi version will come next batch Mar 22 19:11:53 well they did what 900 ish in the first batch? Mar 22 19:12:12 guess it is near 1000 Mar 22 19:12:13 Yeah, I'm just wondering if 1000 is the least they want to make of anything, and meanwhile 1000 wifi units covers a wider gamut of order numbers or something; or the factory is just dictating the schedule; or Planet isn't concerned with who gets what when Mar 22 19:12:21 fuck it, I've mailed em to see if i can get a response Mar 22 19:12:42 Eventually, If I don't get it, I will just make my own, with a dev board in my psion 5. Mar 22 19:12:52 WorkingClassDev a good answer you mean :D Mar 22 19:12:55 yea maybe they need to make 1000 but then would have to sell 700 ish of them Mar 22 19:13:01 steve-marinos: hah yea :D Mar 22 19:13:21 Captain_Harlock[: you on kickstarter yea ???? :D :D :D Mar 22 19:14:05 WorkingClassDev: well, don't say so on IGG or you'll get hammered for annoying our busy friends at PC. Mar 22 19:14:18 yea indeed Mar 22 19:14:39 that comment system is toxic af Mar 22 19:14:39 they've been quiet for a long time, answering few comments, they also said they will work on something to make the backers know the status of the production/deliveries, this was weeks ago, till now nothing Mar 22 19:15:05 yep, they've been saying bits and pieces on twitter Mar 22 19:15:09 but nothing of any substance Mar 22 19:15:33 I don't know about that lol, I am currently working on another project first. I'm attempting to stick a pi zero W into a motorola T900 pager. Mar 22 19:15:34 I'll see how that goes first. Mar 22 19:15:37 depscribe[m] I said that before some backers comments irretate me, to speak my mind clearly the ass lickers I call them "part me" Mar 22 19:16:49 steve-marinos: i believe that they think that if they suck up they'll get theirs sooner. Mar 22 19:17:13 depscribe[m] some are just this naive Mar 22 19:17:30 not sure how the word naive is actually written Mar 22 19:17:43 or HardOfThinking Mar 22 19:18:23 steve-marinos: you got it right -- "evian," like the water brand, spelled backwards. Mar 22 19:18:32 I'm thinking of superglueing an RPi3B+ to a keyboard and using some door hindges on a screen, done Mar 22 19:19:40 Where you gonna stick the battery? ;) Mar 22 19:19:41 Nokia do soemthing :D Mar 22 19:19:53 androvex[m]: errr somewhere.... Mar 22 19:19:59 btw anyone seen they have a dtore? Mar 22 19:19:59 Even the PiJuice is a fraction of the size of Gemini.. Mar 22 19:20:00 https://store.planetcom.co.uk/ Mar 22 19:20:01 As far as making one out of a psion5, the hardest part is the display, finding one, and the finding a driver for it, and getting it to fit in the case. Mar 22 19:20:02 store Mar 22 19:20:02 androvex[m] 12 volt car battery :D Mar 22 19:20:25 https://uk.pi-supply.com/products/pijuice-solar Mar 22 19:20:28 Same place the battery would be currently. Mar 22 19:21:06 Confession I have 2 PiJuices ;) Mar 22 19:22:15 they look cool, bit pricey but good idea Mar 22 19:22:18 do they work well ? Mar 22 19:22:22 It is not bad.. has it own poper button and user programmable ones.. plus you have full access to the GPIO pins.. Mar 22 19:22:51 I started to think i hate standard mIRC client Mar 22 19:22:58 Not so bad.. Mar 22 19:23:09 But like I say the battery is still kinda small. Mar 22 19:23:10 hehe i'm on weechat and i bloody hate it Mar 22 19:23:20 WorkingClassDev: yes, a store with a "buy now" button. honesty would require them to say "buy now, get later" Mar 22 19:23:22 interesting idea Mar 22 19:23:33 depscribe[m]: yep that jumped out at me Mar 22 19:23:41 I am on Riot ;) Mar 22 19:23:50 its linked from the main pages as well so tis legit and not hidden Mar 22 19:24:12 https://store.planetcom.co.uk/pages/delivery Mar 22 19:24:20 I live in the only country without a delivery time estimate :| Mar 22 19:24:24 WorkingClassDev: "if ever" Mar 22 19:24:48 I wonder how they will ship my device to me when the time comes. Mar 22 19:24:54 dafuq, its on shopify and doesnt seem to mention on the checkout it wont ship yet unless it does further down the buy flow Mar 22 19:25:15 well my counry is not listed :S Mar 22 19:25:46 does this mean they wont deliver my device lol Mar 22 19:26:01 yep, you have to fly to china to get yours Mar 22 19:26:02 I did pay 70$ for shipment Mar 22 19:26:12 "PRE-ORDER ONLY - Current orders will be shipping in May 2018. Mar 22 19:26:14 " Mar 22 19:26:19 yea they shipped it from the factory to a pick up place in downtown shenzhen Mar 22 19:26:31 echicken: ahh Mar 22 19:26:41 echicken: i wonder if thats the aim or the real date :D Mar 22 19:27:09 well at this stage if they offered me a refund I will gladly accept Mar 22 19:27:18 i think i would as well Mar 22 19:27:35 I guess they're just throwing dates around all over the place. Mar 22 19:27:41 steve-marinos: for $70 they'll email you a ticket to rent a rowboat. Mar 22 19:27:49 since it wont be my daily driver I will be more than glad to get the pyra instead Mar 22 19:28:45 depscribe[m] well it was their fee for delivering it to me Mar 22 19:28:49 I remember looking at the pyra years ago; I wouldn't be too optimistic about that ever entering production (and the keyboard looks shitty) Mar 22 19:29:01 i just saw on the store site this: "Join our mailing list." i think we can guarantee it won't fill subscribers' inboxes. Mar 22 19:29:03 I am using a blackberry priv. It has a keyboard. The keyboard is smaller, but it works well. Mar 22 19:29:06 spec wise, it is very similar. Mar 22 19:29:29 echicken i watched a video seems they had issues with the plastic boxes and now it is fixed Mar 22 19:29:34 Is the prya the one in the Nokia N900 case? Mar 22 19:29:35 steve-marinos: yes, i know. you may just have to row to china to get it. Mar 22 19:29:40 The keyboard in the N900 wasn't very good. Mar 22 19:30:02 #prayForSteve Mar 22 19:30:08 Neither was the one on the DesireZ but still better than no keyboard. Mar 22 19:30:22 True. Mar 22 19:30:23 WorkingClassDev lmfao Mar 22 19:30:45 Still have my DesireZ I look at it wistfully.. Mar 22 19:31:08 Captain_Harlock[ the Pyra is open pandora Mar 22 19:31:29 damn I will look for a better IRC client Mar 22 19:32:07 I have a N810wimax, and I like it, the keyboards main fault was that when using the top row, my fingers would collide with the screen. I bought and returned the N900, I couldn't get past the weird space bare position. Mar 22 19:32:35 steve-marinos: Ah okay. Ty Mar 22 19:32:35 * androvex[m] uploaded an image: HTC-desire-Z_1.jpg (57KB) Mar 22 19:33:10 * Captain_Harlock[ uploaded an image: file1521747164172.jpg (49KB) Mar 22 19:33:22 that is what I am using. Mar 22 19:33:22 Aww Frack forgot my Zaurus at the Office.. Mar 22 19:33:48 Wassat? Mar 22 19:33:51 What zaurus? Mar 22 19:33:53 Captain_Harlock: What is that ? Mar 22 19:33:54 Does your commute involve time travel? Mar 22 19:34:16 Captain_Harlock[ https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/ Mar 22 19:34:19 Blackberry Priv Mar 22 19:34:43 to be honest I cannot remember what it was like to type on N900 or e90 Mar 22 19:34:52 hehe.. Mar 22 19:34:59 Never like BB to be honest.. Mar 22 19:35:02 The Priv runs android, not blackberry OS Mar 22 19:35:11 but it was better than normal numerical keyboards for sure Mar 22 19:35:42 Captain_Harlock[ also the keyone Mar 22 19:36:00 I was too close on getting the keyone then I knew about Gemini Mar 22 19:36:07 androvex, my Motorola Droid4 died, and I needed another phone. Mar 22 19:37:01 Captain_Harlock: no worries.. ain't justding.. Just saying not my cup of tea Mar 22 19:37:33 lol hexchat for windows around 8$ ... why? Mar 22 19:37:51 WTF? Mar 22 19:37:59 Captain_Harlock[: how do you like the priv's keyboard? to me it's awkward, hard to type Mar 22 19:38:14 I have it as a flatpak Mar 22 19:38:15 androvex: I understand :) Mar 22 19:39:01 https://flathub.org/repo/appstream/io.github.Hexchat.flatpakref Mar 22 19:39:16 Captain_Harlock: bbos was pretty cool, once they let the tribe get hold of it. then they killed it, alas. even the playbook was decent. Mar 22 19:39:53 akik: It is awkward to type on, mostly, because it is a massive phone, and you have to support it while trying to type on it. With practice, I can do 47 wpm on it. If you tape some cardboard onto it, to give you a better drip, the whole experience is better, but then you have this weird looking cardboard contraption phone. Mar 22 19:40:02 I just miss Symbian That could have been so good.. but Nokia fucked it all up. Mar 22 19:40:06 did you guys heard that a russian company got a share on SFOS Mar 22 19:40:14 Server them right they got kneecapped. Mar 22 19:40:32 WebOS had potential but the treo was junk Mar 22 19:40:49 hmm not sure it was the treo now Mar 22 19:40:57 steve-marinos: Not a Russian company the goverment is interested in backing it. Mar 22 19:41:03 WorkingClassDev: as was, alas, the hp touchpad. Mar 22 19:41:04 Want to break away from GoogleEyes.. Mar 22 19:41:04 If you have seen the Sharp Zaurus SL-5500, the way there are nav controls before the keyboard, that makes it easier to type on than the priv. Mar 22 19:41:42 The Palm Pre3 was decent. but it lacked expandable storage, which is why I switched from it. Mar 22 19:41:46 Palm Pre that was the device. Waited so long to get one that I gave up and got an iPhone Mar 22 19:41:53 rostelecom androvex[m] Mar 22 19:42:35 i just installed the awesome desktop on this netbook. it shows potential, but there's a lot of pain between here and there, i think. Mar 22 19:43:04 and yes seems it is run/controlled by the russian government, seems from a couple of comments people are not excited about that Mar 22 19:43:06 Captain_Harlock: I had a 6000L Mar 22 19:43:43 androvex: Nice, I wanted that one. I had/have the sl-860, and I recently found an SL-5600 at a thrift store. Mar 22 19:43:48 steve-marinos: Not run.. funded. Same way that they are Funding Linux.. to be free of M$ Mar 22 19:44:44 but it seems not exciting news I did not read a lot as i was driving but even some russian comments was not encouraging Mar 22 19:45:03 Part of why I want the Gemini is to get away from google. Mar 22 19:45:35 and what about all the hustle of Facebook today Mar 22 19:46:09 Did you not know of the Yota phone ? Mar 22 19:46:10 https://yotaphone.com/gb-en/ Mar 22 19:47:04 I don't use Facebook. Mar 22 19:47:06 androvex: android -- twice! Mar 22 19:47:35 brb hex chat installed Mar 22 19:47:36 I heard of the Yota phone, I think it is neat, but without a keyboard, I'm not particularly interested. Mar 22 19:48:23 I am done with work, so bbl at some point. Mar 22 19:48:40 steve-marinos: Ok.. short story. UK Data Analytic firm. harvested 50= million peoples Facebook data by being in vited into FB as researchers. This is something FB does all the time back to Obama and his 2012 election. However. Cambridge analytica have been caught in a hidden camera investigation to be using 'dirrty' tactics in elections.. Including the 2016 US one.. Mar 22 19:48:46 much better Mar 22 19:49:21 tldr.. FB gave away millions of people data. because ... Mar 22 19:49:22 androvex[m], ah now I see why Mar 22 19:49:49 it happened b4 and now they are doing it again i guess? Mar 22 19:50:07 androvex[m]: not quite! They got 270k people to install an app, they then used those to harvest the rest. Small but important point Mar 22 19:51:07 I'm tempted to get an fb account just to mess with them but then I got rid of it so long ago I cba Mar 22 19:51:52 Captain_Harlock: only reason i mentioned it was because they got started with money from the Russian government. Russia wanted a home grown phone less a Korean or US one.. Mar 22 19:52:10 I use facebook these days only for the hobbies and games, my main FB account i barely use anymore Mar 22 19:52:19 steve-marinos: Well you;d be naive to think only FB does it.. Google Twitter Microsoft.. etc . Mar 22 19:53:03 WorkingClassDev: because those people checked the box that gave away their friends' information as well. Mar 22 19:53:05 androvex[m], oh yeah I know mate, reason why I don;t use most of these Mar 22 19:53:18 yep which should never have been possible depscribe[m] Mar 22 19:54:22 I kinda wished gemini had a back or front eink like that yota Mar 22 19:54:25 the difference for me between fb and say google / microsoft is they dont dictate my contact or news (kinda). FB absolutely loves to 'curate' what you see Mar 22 19:54:36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbeOCKZFfQ Mar 22 19:54:45 WorkingClassDev: absolutely right. Mar 22 19:55:09 and when facebook issued a statement they thanked the observer for uncovering it. they didn't mention they threatened to sue the observer for uncovering it. Mar 22 19:55:28 yea init, thank you and btw we wont sue anymore... Mar 22 19:55:56 It's a massive story here in the uk because of a public service broadcaster did the undercover work with CA so they are loving it Mar 22 19:57:05 Thats the one androvex[m] :) Mar 22 19:57:35 > FB absolutely loves to 'curate' what you see Mar 22 19:57:36 So does Google So Does Reddit. Mar 22 19:58:09 maybe, its much less in your face in google search Mar 22 19:58:30 I don't use g+ so can't comment on that and youtube is used but so are others Mar 22 19:58:43 google for me has no single view like FBs newsfeed Mar 22 19:58:56 btw that eInk on the Yota is absoutely awesome Mar 22 19:59:05 steve-marinos: ^ Mar 22 19:59:46 WorkingClassDev, would have loved the gemini cover to have one Mar 22 19:59:53 yea it would be soo good Mar 22 20:07:23 nice piece on i think /. a week or two ago about the 600 companies that paypal sells your data to. Mar 22 20:09:58 I started a little experiment a few years ago which is basically every company i interact with has a unique email address. It's amazing how many sell on then spam that email address Mar 22 20:10:22 I also run quite a large pihole block list so tracking etc and ads rarely get to my network Mar 22 20:10:56 ironically it was by pihole I found out my rather expensive Sony TV loves to report back to a home server about what I watch / do on the tv Mar 22 20:11:17 adb soon fixed that crap Mar 22 20:12:32 tldr everything spies on you know, the Ghost truely is in the coffee machine Mar 22 20:15:08 ouch my eyes notches are taking over Mar 22 20:15:10 :) Mar 22 20:17:13 https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_p20_lite-9098.php Mar 22 20:18:22 steve-marinos: i think there will be a paste-on notch accessory for the gemini. will cost $49.99 and won't ever get delivered, though. Mar 22 20:19:48 depscribe[m], lol just for trending :) Mar 22 20:20:04 hail TheKit :) Mar 22 20:20:25 haha Mar 22 20:24:31 nokia is catching up ... https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_8_sirocco-pictures-9087.php Mar 22 20:24:53 lets hope they also bring back the keyboard Mar 22 20:26:07 i'm just trying to figure out how to de-google-ize android so i can use gemini until we have working linux telephony. even though by the time i get mine there will probably be linux-for-gemini-3.0 Mar 22 20:26:44 https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_7_plus-pictures-9058.php Mar 22 20:27:38 depscribe[m], root and uninstall what you don't want Mar 22 20:28:32 or maybe by then there will also be custom roms for it Mar 22 20:29:18 steve-marinos: that's a start. but just a start, i think. is there a lineage OS for the mediatek X25 (or X27 or whatever's in it)? Mar 22 20:29:24 alas -- the nokia is another slab. Mar 22 20:30:29 depscribe[m], nice looking phones if you ask me, and well they will follow the trend for a good re-start Mar 22 20:31:05 nice looking in that they look just like just about every other phone! Mar 22 20:31:09 maybe innovation will follow, open source again maybe Mar 22 20:33:08 depscribe[m], to be honest it is the age of candy bars with without notches, glass all over, no headphone jack, no fingerprint sensor all innovation :D Mar 22 20:33:30 started by the best innovation leader ... apple Mar 22 20:34:06 clonnivation. Mar 22 20:34:40 on the other hand seems we will see fingerprint embedded in the screen which is really a nice touch Mar 22 20:35:05 so now next thing no bezels Mar 22 20:35:16 though if they're not android and not ios, they have my attention. and no winphone, either! Mar 22 20:35:35 fingerprin it useful if you never cut your finger. Mar 22 20:35:46 fingerprin=fingerprint Mar 22 20:36:29 I like that feature on the phone to be honest Mar 22 20:36:42 and not on the back Mar 22 20:41:55 I use mine all the time and get quite irationally cross when the phone says nope, time for the passcode hahah Mar 22 20:43:36 well better than none or a better one, apple face recognition with the most innovative phone the IPX Mar 22 20:44:50 we're waiting eagerly for a keyboard gadget -- surely we can type in a password! Mar 22 20:46:25 a good add on for the gemini would be a spacebar finger print sensor Mar 22 20:50:27 or the side button Mar 22 21:00:19 steve-marinos (IRC): from what we hear, a good add on would be w working spacebar. Mar 22 21:00:32 * depscribe[m] w=a Mar 22 21:01:36 depscribe[m], lol Mar 22 21:01:49 BURN Mar 22 21:02:27 WorkingClassDev, burnt :D Mar 22 21:02:30 haha Mar 22 21:02:54 i swear to god I'm gonna be a massive PC troll if the keyboard is shit. Its absolutely the entire product Mar 22 21:03:36 now shit is a variable thing because of the size etc but it has to be good enough and reliable Mar 22 21:03:43 WorkingClassDev, my replies exactly to a couple FB posts Mar 22 21:04:12 since the device is built around the Keyboard Mar 22 21:04:29 and here is a satisfied backer it seems Mar 22 21:04:32 2 hours ago Mar 22 21:04:32 Just received my Gemini today: what a wonderful little beauty! Starting to try it on the go, but it seems perfect and definitely lighter and thinner than what I expected. Really a great job, thanks to all the staff for the idea and the effort Mar 22 21:05:47 lets hope for less lemons in the next batch Mar 22 21:07:24 sounds good Mar 22 21:07:58 they keyboard has to be good, build ok (because its 1st gen) and software can be fixed Mar 22 21:08:11 thats my order for defining it a success Mar 22 21:09:17 an another happy backer receiving his gemini Mar 22 21:09:19 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/permalink/1811058305861877/ Mar 22 21:10:04 heh he's loving touching that :D Mar 22 21:10:26 Phoar!!! hahah Mar 22 21:11:07 Ncie. Mar 22 21:11:10 nice Mar 22 21:11:36 * depscribe[m] sent a long message: depscribe[m]_2018-03-22_21:11:35.txt Mar 22 21:11:42 kinda getting horny touching it lmfao Mar 22 21:13:15 haha androvex[m] ;-) Mar 22 21:13:17 :P Mar 22 21:13:40 best post of today Mar 22 21:13:42 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/permalink/1811056785862029/ Mar 22 21:13:54 the reason i say these things is because if its like some wank aliexpress ble keyboard I'm gonna mad as hell Mar 22 21:14:36 well no.. 7000-8000 prolly before the end of the year for sure :P Mar 22 21:14:43 WorkingClassDev, well aliexpress do sell chinese stuff, and well it is all manufactured in china :P Mar 22 21:14:46 WorkingClassDev: for me its about as good as the old P5 keyboard was Mar 22 21:15:01 happy days, the p5 was good enough Mar 22 21:15:07 "Khalid Kamal Naji Only God can help you. We reached the point of no interest in the product due to sustainable delays. The company needs more focus and cut using backers money to attend conferences and marketing. They need to focus more on operations and quality. Seriously they have an issue." haaaaaahahahahahha Mar 22 21:15:12 steve-marinos (IRC): i wonder if he knows there is a tiny computer inside. Mar 22 21:15:19 seems some did get lemons Mar 22 21:15:46 Nods - mine arrived with all keycaps aligned, all working all moving Mar 22 21:15:53 WorkingClassDev, yeah read that comment :) Mar 22 21:16:14 And the space bar is only an issue if you insist on hammering it at the outer edges - as was the one on the P5 and in fact on most of my laptops Mar 22 21:16:21 DaPol2: how it going using it now its been over a week ? Mar 22 21:16:45 depscribe[m], who cares since he is in love with that gorgeous touch feeling he is experiencing lmfao Mar 22 21:16:58 WorkingClassDev: The only problem I'm having is the having to recalibrate my fingers as I move between the older Thinkpad keyboards, the Gemini and the KeyOne for different tasks Mar 22 21:17:24 But I *love* the keyboard on the Gemini - my typing speed and accuracy is very nearly as good as I have on a classic thinkpad Mar 22 21:17:31 DaPol2: i have the same between mac mini keyboards, full mac keyboard and windows keyboards :D Mar 22 21:17:47 oh - the Mac "Razor" keyboard drives me mad Mar 22 21:17:50 DaPol2: that is very encouraging :) Mar 22 21:17:52 I just cannot type on it Mar 22 21:18:14 i got one with the new mac at work, palmed it off on someone else and went back to my full length one Mar 22 21:18:16 because I hit towards the edge of keys on fullsize boards, and that causes the Mac Chicklet ones to bind into the shell of the keyboard Mar 22 21:18:19 so hopefully starting next batch no more lemons "pwetty pwease PC" :D Mar 22 21:19:08 I'd class the Gemini as the best portable keyboard I have - it still can't touch the IBM Model-M, the Model-F or the Corsair Vengeance K90 I have Mar 22 21:19:33 but I wouldn't expect it to either - no way you're going to match full travel, full size mechanical keyswitches on a pocket device Mar 22 21:20:10 yea absolutely Mar 22 21:20:35 I've seen what happens when a company tries to do it on a mobile device Mar 22 21:20:43 i think the ones that have gone wrong are maybe outliers but they are the most reported so it knows confidence. KNowing you have a good one is a real nice thing to know Mar 22 21:21:05 You get the MSI Titan GT80 Mar 22 21:22:40 I can see how the assembly could go wrong, and I can see how the faults that have been reported would happen - I count myself lucky they haven't happened to me Mar 22 21:23:06 Next up - try and get my works device security policy to grant me an exception to hook the Gemini into Exchange Mar 22 21:23:29 because at the moment I'm stuck with an iPhone for work mail, and I *hate* the iPhone experience Mar 22 21:24:29 And the Gemini with Blackberry Hub+ installed.... yeah ! Mar 22 21:24:46 ProTip[tm]: just ignore work emails Mar 22 21:25:13 I did not have any problem with Iphone up till those couple years Mar 22 21:25:20 WorkingClassDev: I sort of need to pay attention to them - doing so means I get more toys like the Gemini Mar 22 21:25:30 hha Mar 22 21:26:10 Next up - let's see if anybody puts together a device with the Treo 180/270 formfactor running a modern-ish OS - or even PalmOS 5.x :) Mar 22 21:26:38 I always had problems with iPhones. I literally hated them but had 3gs then went to android 2 htc piece of shit so went ok that was crap back to iphone 5 (which literally wouldnt ring when calls came in) to a samsung s6 to pixel. I cant see me ever having an iphone again unless forced to Mar 22 21:27:26 What I need to do is get a decent bluetooth headset for the Gemini Mar 22 21:27:47 the last "Decent" one I had was a Jawbone Era, and while it was great back in the day, Jawbone have vanished up their own fundament Mar 22 21:28:15 did you try a smart watch yet DaPol2 ? Mar 22 21:28:40 I use a cheap pair of skullcandy ink'd at work. There good enough to block out the constant programmer bitch fest Mar 22 21:28:42 I've had a Moto360 for years Mar 22 21:28:57 Works fine Mar 22 21:29:02 for all it's stuck on Wear 1.x Mar 22 21:29:06 jawbone is such a shame, how to fuck up a company Mar 22 21:29:11 WorkingClassDev, I didn't/don't like android just not my thing Mar 22 21:29:37 steve-marinos: i suspect you havent had the right experience yet :) Mar 22 21:30:08 Which reminds me - at some point I need to sit in my car for a few hours and update the head unit :) Mar 22 21:30:23 haaah peak 1st world bullshit :) Mar 22 21:30:41 Oh yeah :) Mar 22 21:30:43 I had to reboot my tv yesterday.... Mar 22 21:30:44 WorkingClassDev, I used many except pixel even my wife's mate 10 pro, just does not appeal to me Mar 22 21:30:57 And if you want "Over promised, under delivered" just take a look at any RK3188 based head unit Mar 22 21:31:00 android on pixel is really rather nice Mar 22 21:31:18 tbf on the samsung s6 it was ok Mar 22 21:31:36 i cant go back to iOS now, it feel ere years behind Mar 22 21:32:33 WorkingClassDev, I can't like it mate hence the search for alternatives, i wanted to get Jolla but was late to the party Mar 22 21:32:49 even turing also was late Mar 22 21:32:55 both run SFOS Mar 22 21:34:03 One of my ex-co-workers is a project lead for Mer (the upstream basis for SFOS) and I have to love the amount of time he's ploughed into it Mar 22 21:34:18 iOS flat out pisses me off now. I have no idea wtf Cook has done to it but its broken and laggy and counter intuitive Mar 22 21:34:28 what was my best cellphone ever is the N900 lets hope Gemini will live to give same experience Mar 22 21:35:34 WorkingClassDev, it is because IOS will lower clocking speeds as battery age Mar 22 21:35:41 The important thing to remember is that the N900 was a cellphone with a keyboard - the Gemini is a PDA with a cellular modem - they're coming at the same problem from opposite ends Mar 22 21:35:54 but IOS lately is full of bugs Mar 22 21:36:30 I suspect the bugs arebecause Jobs' RDF is no longer around to adjust reality around the bugs Mar 22 21:36:43 steve-marinos: its not that, at work I have a dev lab so many devices of all kinds from the ipone X (haah) right down to android 4 devices Mar 22 21:37:08 i just find ios 11 clunky as fuck and the whole hacked in back crap rubbish. Android intents seem to work much better Mar 22 21:37:21 oh please IphoneX the most innovative piece of art of all times lmfao Mar 22 21:37:40 steve-marinos: Art - yes. Science - nope. Phone - definitely not Mar 22 21:37:56 yes to be fair android matured to a better OS while IOS is going opposite :D Mar 22 21:38:11 I will admit to having looked very strangely at the people who were proclaiming the iPhone to be revolutionary with its touch screen interface when it launced in 2007 Mar 22 21:39:14 I'd been using Treo's since 2002, and touchscreen mobile devices for some time before that Mar 22 21:39:35 And they could actually run apps locally (anybody remember the iOS v1 "Everything is a web page" approach?) Mar 22 21:39:45 heeh yep Mar 22 21:40:28 And then there was the fun "We've decided to call it iOS - what do you mean Cisco have been using that name since 1982?" whoopsie. Mar 22 21:40:39 And then discovering that Cisco had a trademark on "iPhone" as well Mar 22 21:40:41 my sample of one experience of every apple phone is its form over function... then with the iphone 6 they fucked that up with the stupid sticking out camera rubbish Mar 22 21:40:47 DaPol2, I did not like it either back then but was not that much into too tech stuff, Nokia was enough for me until their goodbyes Mar 22 21:42:00 steve-marinos: I was using a Nokia 2110 with the data card and my Thinkpad 701 back in the mid 90s, moving to a Nokia 9000 a little later - I may have been keeing this stuff a bit too long Mar 22 21:42:30 the 9000 was revoloutionary Mar 22 21:42:40 my 1st Nokia was 3330 Mar 22 21:42:49 mine was the 5.1 Mar 22 21:43:01 I even (briefly) had an OmniGo 700 to use with the 2110 Mar 22 21:43:09 WorkingClassDev: Ah! An Orange customer! Mar 22 21:43:16 yea Mar 22 21:43:20 "WILDFIRE call WorkingClassDev" Mar 22 21:43:21 first mobile Mar 22 21:43:21 :) Mar 22 21:43:34 man i loved that phone Mar 22 21:43:43 my 3330 had a logo powered by Vodaphone :D Mar 22 21:43:45 Would still work if you had it today Mar 22 21:43:49 not the bills mind, jesus I swear I spending 100gbp a month Mar 22 21:43:55 My first phone was a Sony CMR111 Mar 22 21:43:58 Tiny even today Mar 22 21:44:28 i had a similar steve-marinos 3310 which was an orange equiv i think Mar 22 21:44:29 The first mobile I used with any regularity was the Panasonic F-Series bagphone my dad was issued in the 80s Mar 22 21:44:44 ^ found the rich kid :D Mar 22 21:44:48 WorkingClassDev: With the *horrible* brown and orange launcher? Mar 22 21:45:04 WorkingClassDev: Not me - he was a truck driver on long haul Mar 22 21:45:10 heeh Mar 22 21:45:29 never had anything but Nokia till it was gone microsoft and I thought this can't be good, HTC used to run Microsoft OS and never were a thing till they switched to android Mar 22 21:45:31 I did work for a mobile technology startup in the early 2000s Mar 22 21:45:42 was interesting - we turned out to be 10 years ahead of the industry Mar 22 21:46:25 steve-marinos: Oh - dunno about tha t- at one point O2 would sell you quite a lot of HTC branded devices in additionto the XDA rebrands Mar 22 21:46:37 I'm trying think of mine, i think 5.1 -> 3310 -> bannana phone (matrix phone) -> sony -> iphone 3gs -> htc desire -> iphone 5 -> samsung s6 -> pixel Mar 22 21:46:54 with about 30 pagers in the lower end of that mix ;-) Mar 22 21:47:04 I've had quite a few devices including some total turds Mar 22 21:47:11 I count the HTC Ameo as a turd Mar 22 21:47:23 i've had 1 htc and 1 was enough :) Mar 22 21:47:23 DaPol2, not here few held windows mobile, i remember imate before htc also Mar 22 21:47:42 Actually - that was HTC Athena - Ameo was the T-Mobile branding Mar 22 21:48:00 WorkingClassDev, same I had the M8 and was the last Mar 22 21:48:11 they are just junk Mar 22 21:48:42 I guess after HTC i switched to Iphone 4s Mar 22 21:49:02 i skipped that after the 3gs pain fest Mar 22 21:49:03 steve-marinos: With the hand contortions to get a signal? Mar 22 21:49:34 I cannot remember how many Nokia phones I held last was e90 Mar 22 21:49:36 my five had that issue Mar 22 21:49:46 literally useless as a phone Mar 22 21:49:51 but i was switching to the latest as soon as they come Mar 22 21:50:09 steve-marinos: Welcome to my life as a corporate head of IT Mar 22 21:50:24 4s did not last long enough Mar 22 21:50:31 "Our standard is Windows Mobile. Except for anybody with director in their job title, who will of course get a new fruit as soon as it comes out" Mar 22 21:50:45 The guy who had his 5s swapped for a 5c wasn't best pleased :) Mar 22 21:51:23 haha Mar 22 21:51:35 We had a saleswoman who would always have "little accidents" that would render her iPhone unusable the day after a new productu launch strangely. Mar 22 21:51:39 I did get the 5s then up till now 6s still waiting for a better device ever since Mar 22 21:51:52 we're a real mix but it mostly settles along lastest apple / pixel / samsung Mar 22 21:52:02 we have some out liers Mar 22 21:52:03 She was *seriously* pissed when her iPhone 6 was "accidentally broken" just as the 6s appeared. We'd seen her coming. Mar 22 21:52:07 She got a 4. Mar 22 21:52:14 the staff get anyold cheap shit that will run our apps Mar 22 21:52:33 because they smash them to pieces so no nice shiny for them Mar 22 21:53:04 400 people ended up with fire hd tablets from the last black friday sales haah Mar 22 21:53:23 I sstill consider the best experience ever for me was N900/maemo and then everything faded away Mar 22 21:53:26 WorkingClassDev: I have a rule. I will engineer around your cackhandedness. I don't care if the JCB branded IP68 rated armoured mobile device doesn't go with your Jimmy Choos and your Armani - you break so many phones it's all we're giving you. Mar 22 21:53:41 ^ thats us Mar 22 21:53:59 The same woman was hard on laptops. Mar 22 21:54:10 She was issued a Panasonic Toughbook. Mar 22 21:54:11 give em cheap cus we know the average life before dropping in a river or smashing on a pavement is ~8 months Mar 22 21:54:25 We could see how she'd *tried* to kill it to get a MacBook Mar 22 21:54:33 Problem is, it was harder than she was. Mar 22 21:54:38 hehe Mar 22 21:54:44 DaPol2, lol Mar 22 21:54:57 The worst one we had was back in the days of the Nokia 6000. Mar 22 21:55:11 There was one sales person was put on final written warning for that one. Mar 22 21:55:21 She'd at least cleaned the previous 4 she'd killed "somehow" Mar 22 21:55:49 The yelling of "EWWW REWWW EWWWW" in the office when she didn't wash the last one she handed in..... Mar 22 21:56:25 did she drop it oin the toilet lol Mar 22 21:56:34 (The Nk6000 was the first "soap bar" shaped one with a built in vibration notification - she'd been getting *very* excited with it ) Mar 22 21:56:37 No. Mar 22 21:56:41 That would have been less Ewww. Mar 22 21:56:46 She'd been using it as a dildo. Mar 22 21:56:51 fuck Mar 22 21:56:56 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha Mar 22 21:56:56 literally Mar 22 21:57:31 sick fucker Mar 22 21:57:32 OMG Mar 22 21:57:52 might as well get a dog to lick her LMFAO Mar 22 21:59:27 we premises audits as a key part of our work so when a person takes a pic and uploads it we also take the gps location of where they are and also compare that to the exif of the image. The amount of dumb idiots that think they can upload a pic from six months ago from home while pretenting to be on site is insane. Every single time they do that we fire them, provide proof and get the inveitable but but Mar 22 21:59:29 but crap. People are flat out dumb when trying to be smart Mar 22 22:02:29 ok here is a funny story, used to work as a technician and assembling PC's and selling them, a couple times people had issues with their computers and we ask them to bring them for troubleshooting and the big surprise when they bring you the monitor instead if the Box Mar 22 22:02:46 of Mar 22 22:03:25 was kinda funny how they thought that the monitor is the actual PC Mar 22 22:03:49 Well - not that wierd if they'd ever met an AIO Mac Mar 22 22:03:53 hehe back in the days of being a pc builder you always got the odd person who would buy something expensive then complain the gpu is a lesser model, they'd bring it in and they'd swapped parts etc and then try to argue we didnt give them what thy'd ordered Mar 22 22:04:46 at that time I doubt that the majority knew what mac is :D Mar 22 22:05:27 right im off to the land of nod Mar 22 22:05:30 it was back when windows 98 was at every home Mar 22 22:05:37 have a good evening, morning, afternoon Mar 22 22:05:50 WorkingClassDev, you to mate Mar 22 22:06:03 I should sleep too Mar 22 22:06:13 DaPol2, take care mate .... Mar 22 22:06:41 :) Mar 22 22:06:44 good night for me to all of you specially TheKit Mar 22 22:06:48 :D Mar 22 22:06:58 from Mar 22 22:46:37 https://together.jolla.com/question/181867/jolla-blog-rostelecom-is-new-strategic-investor/ Mar 22 22:55:22 steve-marinos (IRC): lots of movies and television shows have the computer shut down and disaster averted by the good guy shooting the monitor. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 23 03:00:04 2018