**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 28 03:00:01 2018 Mar 28 07:20:04 I see the apologists for PC are out in force on IGG comments Mar 28 07:28:40 jeffers_: yeah just catching up on the comments there.....I'm in the camp of: yes, they could update us a little more often! But so long as they are getting on with it, patience is a virtue.... Mar 28 07:32:05 canny: I'm inclined to agree, with the caveat that a little more updating goes a long way in building trust. That said, PC told us the order checker would be coming out about 3 weeks ago now, and crickets on that. Mar 28 07:32:56 Crickets and tumbleweeds! I'm guessing Taavi Tani with order number 306 must have ordered a wifi only model? Mar 28 07:33:44 I have to say I would be pissed had I ordered a wifi only model. Mar 28 07:38:21 Yeah, so would I - If I had such a low order number, I would be 'miffed' that no wifi-only models have been shipped out yet. After I realised I wouldn't be getting my order until the second batch is made, I had to bite the bullet and replace the battery on my current mobile, to keep it usable until the Gemini arrives. Mar 28 07:39:00 Yeah, exactly. My nexus 4 battery life is going downhill rapidly, so I'm rather tempted to just order something new Mar 28 07:41:13 using Gemini as mobile replacement is probably still questionable idea Mar 28 07:42:14 Depends what you're usign the mobile mostly for. Mar 28 07:42:32 especially the linux side Mar 28 07:43:04 I very rarely need voice calling or sms, it's all data I need Mar 28 07:43:39 Yeah, I'm going to keep my iphone in any case as i need a mobile that's very dependable. Mar 28 07:43:47 I really want to stop lugging my laptop around with me Mar 28 07:43:56 But I could see myself using gemini+smartwatch mostly. Mar 28 07:44:49 Yeah, it's a great substitute for the light laptop usage on the road. Mar 28 07:44:55 Yeah. I picked up a cheap used pebble 2, which works fine for my purposes Mar 28 07:45:00 TheKit: you're probably right - not sure if it's up to being my main device just yet Mar 28 07:45:27 ...i'm having some trouble with my amazfit stratos even before i have the gemini :) Mar 28 07:46:01 * jeffers_[m] sent a long message: jeffers_[m]_2018-03-28_07:46:00.txt Mar 28 07:53:02 TheKit: why is it not a mobile replacement? that's what i planned to do Mar 28 07:53:37 well, personally, I usually use mobile to browse web or answer messages on the go Mar 28 07:53:53 Gemini is pretty heavy for this, works best when you have some surface Mar 28 07:54:28 probably depends on your use case Mar 28 07:54:57 mobile and a surface doesn't fit in my mind Mar 28 07:58:26 maybe some smartwatch combanion would make it better (huh, I'm used to take out mobile phone when I want to check time), but it's going to be a pain to setup under Linux Mar 28 07:58:28 I think much depends on the quality control in the future batches and linux development Mar 28 07:58:41 *companion Mar 28 07:59:55 Is there a arm version of anbox or similar? Mar 28 08:00:08 i'm so used to using a android qwerty on the move i don't really understand. i'll see when i get it Mar 28 08:00:14 So you could just run the android companion apps under linux. Mar 28 08:00:56 razumihin, it won't have access to Bluetooth, so unlikely Mar 28 08:01:12 Oh, sad :/ Mar 28 08:01:12 (well, it can in theory, but that's pretty hard to hook) Mar 28 08:01:48 on Linux we would use BlueZ as stack, Android nowadays uses Bluedroid Mar 28 08:02:19 if use want Bluetooth exclusively within Android, then maybe, but we need to get Anbox running first anyway Mar 28 08:02:52 Yeah, and as iirc there were some strange kernel drivers in anbox. Mar 28 08:03:44 I had problems with GPD pocket with them and in the end I had to manually fix those myself only to find that the memory allocation system on android side behaved differently and I couldn't get stuff working even with the fixes. Mar 28 08:03:59 TheKit: nokia communicators & n900 worked fine as phones, so i don't see reason why gemini wouldn't Mar 28 08:04:36 not sure about Nokia communicators, but N900 is pretty small Mar 28 08:04:50 I have Droid 4 and Moto Z keyboard to compare with Mar 28 08:05:05 Communicator 9500 was slightly smaller, but much much more thick Mar 28 08:05:11 communicators were about as big as gemini but fit in pocket Mar 28 08:05:20 I used that for quite a while. Mar 28 08:05:46 when i was ordering gemini, i compared it to 9500 size to see if it would be too large for pocket. it's not. Mar 28 08:06:32 TheKit: i also have a droid 4 which i've used for a couple of years now. it doesn't need any surface to use it Mar 28 08:07:58 the idea of mobility goes out of the window if i need to find a table Mar 28 08:08:48 it's not like you can't use Gemini without that, I just found it somewhat heavy to take out on random occasions in bus, in the street, etc Mar 28 08:08:49 that's true. communicators can be used with two thumbs luckily. Mar 28 08:14:25 I think my use case rather involves more productivity of the "I have a table or flat surface" rather than the "let's check the news while I ride the tram" variety. I'm hoping it will be a good change. Mar 28 08:14:36 cos-: The Gemini lacks an external display/keyboard which makes it less suitable as a phone than the old Communicators. However it's much slimmer. Mar 28 08:14:57 A couple of people made the point to me that if you've got a smartwatch then you can get round the lack of the external display. Mar 28 08:16:05 Noodles: yes, that's known. i wouldn't recommend it for those talking much. i bought a cheap smartwatch for action adventures. Mar 28 08:34:28 * canny[m] starts barking at my watch: "Dick Tracy calling Joe Jitsu, come in Joe Jitsu..." Mar 28 08:34:29 * canny[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUxlc81K5RQ Mar 28 08:36:34 nice national stereotypes in that one :-) Mar 28 08:38:28 I know there's a nice FOSS app on F-Droid for a lot of smartwatches. Mar 28 08:38:33 Linux proper would be another story. Mar 28 08:40:56 the watch i got supports even some standard profiles and works with sailfish without any app. at least calls & media control seems to work. Mar 28 08:42:44 cos-: which watch is that? Mar 28 08:43:17 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smarcent-K88H-Smart-Watch-Track-Wristwatch-Bluetooth-Heart-Rate-Monitor-Pedometer-Dialing-Smartwatch-Phone-For-Android/32823141266.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.9.1e636e18UCgZ7P&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_10340_10341_10084_10083_10618_10630_10304_10307_10302_5711211_5722315_10313_10059_10534_100031_10103_10627_10626_1062 Mar 28 08:43:23 4_10 Mar 28 08:43:24 oh, nice link Mar 28 08:45:40 cos-: great thanks! Mar 28 08:47:14 cos-: how's the battery life for that watch? Mar 28 08:47:53 i got 46 hours Mar 28 08:48:21 paired with phone but with little usage Mar 28 09:18:56 @TheKit been using it as my main device since I got it. Whilst I hate Android, as a primary phone it's ok. Though if you are a heavy 'calls' user it might be a chore to open it to dial, then close it to talk Mar 28 09:29:51 @cos calls and media are standard Bluetooth profiles, so the watch should work with any phone that can use a BT headset Mar 28 09:31:27 I'm in the process of modding my old HTC One V to have the client side of HFP, so I can use that as a remote dialler/BT headset Mar 28 09:31:44 unfortunately requires rooting Mar 28 11:34:32 cowboycoder: are you planning to use your HTC One as a bluetooth sink for your Gemini? Mar 28 11:44:21 @canny[m] yeah, like one of those cheapo remote dialler phones you can get Mar 28 11:44:47 that'd be cool to see! Mar 28 11:44:56 if can get it to make/take calls, and maybe text messages I'd be happy Mar 28 11:46:04 it's not got a bad battery life when it's not doing telephony. I'd heard some people report those credit card phones have rubbish battery life Mar 28 12:09:45 My current project is putting a raspberry pi zero into a Motorola T900 two way pager, with the intent of having it function as an extension to the Gemini. Mar 28 12:14:37 (not that you shouldn't, but) curious to know why you chose a pi zero for that Mar 28 12:22:19 Looks like an almost ideal job for an ESP32 :) Mar 28 12:22:27 exunctly Mar 28 12:23:03 I assume you'd get much gooder battery life out of it Mar 28 12:24:20 and enough pins for the keyboard matrix Mar 28 12:25:26 though you'll have a fun time if the keyboard pads are part of the same board that has all of the pager junk on it Mar 28 12:43:09 I got the pi zero for $3, and it is extremely well documented. The keyboard pad is separate from the other motherboard components. Mar 28 12:43:28 Also, it is the zero W, so it has wifi and bluetooth. Mar 28 12:44:40 * DaPol2 tuts lightly at hugely overpowered hardware for simple tasks and mutters that you could do that with a 555 Mar 28 12:44:48 * DaPol2 now drops out of Hackaday mode :) Mar 28 12:45:44 As for batterylife, I can easily fit a 1500mAh battery in the pager after everything else is inside. Mar 28 12:46:54 I haven't done anything with the esp32, would it handle a 160x128 tft? Mar 28 12:47:43 Captain_Harlock[: Some of the breakout boards come wiht a OLED attached Mar 28 12:47:59 But "Depends on what input the TFT takes" would be an answer Mar 28 12:48:05 if it's I2C then yeah, no problem Mar 28 12:48:52 * DaPol2 just realised how to sort a problem he's been having - I'm about to build a full house automated heating control system from bits, and have been trying to figure out how to power the room thermal monitors Mar 28 12:49:05 And just realised - they sell 2 gang sockets with USB chargers built in Mar 28 12:49:10 That's that dealt with then :) Mar 28 12:49:52 The one I ordered is SPI, though I have a tiny I2C oled, that I've got working for a status display on the outside of the case. Mar 28 12:50:29 https://esp-idf.readthedocs.io/en/v2.0/api/peripherals/spi_master.html Mar 28 12:51:26 Yeah, I think it would work. Mar 28 12:51:27 DaPol2: just remember to fail to closed... nest kind of uhm... failed to do that, apparently, in some cases ;) Mar 28 12:51:56 leinir: heh Mar 28 12:52:29 I'm monitoring the room temperatures, staying with bimetal TRVs and switching the thermostat input for the boiler Mar 28 12:52:39 I'll be doing some form of integration of the room temperatures Mar 28 12:53:48 I should probably order some DHT22 modules Mar 28 12:55:00 The next trick is going to be seeing what the maximum number of stations my APs can handle is Mar 28 12:56:00 Next project after that is standalone central heating for my office Mar 28 12:57:47 Which mostly needs to exist to stop the place dropping below zero and making a hell of a mess with the cooling loop for the laser cutter Mar 28 13:24:09 Captain_Harlock[: esp32 is very well suited to your project, but as long as you can power the thing for long enough then I'm sure you can get a lot done with the pi zero w (I've used both devices in projects and sometimes it's a bit tricky to decide which way to go) Mar 28 13:24:51 definitely no problem driving a small display (my current esp32 project is doing that) Mar 28 13:25:09 and it's great that your keyboard is its own module Mar 28 13:28:04 Since I have the Pi I will go with it, until I have a reason not to, but I will definitely consider the esp32 for future projects. Mar 28 13:31:46 I come back from lunch and it turns out I miss all the 555 talk....that was the first chip I soldered by hand...it had 1000 uses! (or should that be 1110?) just been reading up on the esp32...are they expensive? Mar 28 13:32:15 they're quite cheap Mar 28 13:33:31 the modules themselves are in the $10-$20 range; you can get a dev board or a programming harness to put a module in for a bit more Mar 28 13:46:34 https://www.banggood.com/ESP32-DevKit-ESP32-WiFiBluetooth-Development-Board-ESP-WROOM-32-Dual-Cores-Board-p-1138249.html?rmmds=search Mar 28 13:46:50 Just under $7 for a populated breakout board Mar 28 13:49:47 wow...impressive, for the price But I'll stick to my latest Pi Zero W for now as I'm more familiar with it... Mar 28 13:50:15 :) Mar 28 13:50:58 The Pi Zero W is nice and small and easy to work with for sure. Mar 28 13:53:45 I just find that running a full featured desktop OS for relatively basic functionality is... wierd? Mar 28 13:54:09 Guess it could be worse. Mar 28 13:54:31 The original (68k) palm Pilots were running 2 OS's Mar 28 13:54:42 PalmOS was a personality running on top of AMX Mar 28 14:01:16 OK - next up - figure out how to integrate my home heating setup with the trackers in the vehicles so I can detect whether one has moved recently, and if it's coming home. Mar 28 14:02:34 DaPol2: I guess coding in a low level language (like assembly) is out of fashion these days...everyone just works on high-level languages on top of large OSes "'cause there'll always be more CPU cycles available next year!" ; ) Mar 28 14:10:23 DaPol2: What kind of modules are you using for temperature monitoring. Mar 28 14:10:43 I've been thinking of building some kind of system to remotely control my heating. Mar 28 14:10:54 As i have too many spaces with variable heating needs :P Mar 28 14:22:11 Actually, the low level programming is still very needed, and being used, just depends on where you look. Mar 28 14:22:41 Captain_Harlock: You're undoubtedly right - I just see less and less of it....but probably due to the circles I move in. Mar 28 14:23:41 I see less of it as well. Mar 28 14:24:20 razumihin: ESP8266 combined with DHT22 combined humidity/temperature sensors Mar 28 14:24:59 I've got one I've been playing with, and it does the job nicely Mar 28 14:25:11 Okay. Mar 28 14:25:40 I need to look to the communication, as I'd need over 100m reach. Mar 28 14:26:54 razumihin: 100m is probably stretching it for an ESP8266 with a omnidirectional PCB trance antenna Mar 28 14:26:55 you may want one of the esp8266 modules (esp-12e?) that takes an external antenna Mar 28 14:27:11 however, some of the boards come with uFL HiRose antenna connectors Mar 28 14:27:50 pcb trace Mar 28 14:27:53 Not trance Mar 28 14:27:56 That'd be wierd Mar 28 14:28:02 DaPol2: Yeah. Mar 28 14:28:15 * echicken waves a PCB before your eyes. Sleep now ... sleep. Mar 28 14:28:20 That's the problem with the most solutions. Mar 28 14:28:39 I'm plotting using some of the Arduino Nano's I've got with the Ethernet module where I've got wires Mar 28 14:28:47 I can't receive the signal well enough. Mar 28 14:28:50 and kludge a passive PoE power supply in Mar 28 14:29:16 razumihin: 100m is a heck of a distance - you monitoring a remote building? Mar 28 14:29:27 DaPol2: Yep. Mar 28 14:29:41 razumihin: Tried putting a directional antenna on your WiFi AP? Mar 28 14:29:44 I've got a barn with heating that i'd like to monitor with the setup. Mar 28 14:29:54 a cantenna might do, or I guess you could buy something decent Mar 28 14:29:58 I've got one already, it's almost good enough, but not wuite. Mar 28 14:30:09 UBNT AirBeam system? Mar 28 14:30:14 That's why i'm thinking about non-wifi systems. Mar 28 14:30:23 Put a point to poin link in, and a WiFi repeater in the barn Mar 28 14:30:24 Haven't researched thous. Mar 28 14:30:32 assuming you have have more than one device you'd like to use it Mar 28 14:30:37 Yeah. Mar 28 14:30:51 This has been in planning stage for the past three years so :) Mar 28 14:32:24 There are companies who do tight beam wireless so you can use those to trunk between the buildings, and then standard APs within the remote building Mar 28 14:32:40 or you could just run a fiber under the ground between the 2 buildings Mar 28 14:32:45 or indeed overhead Mar 28 14:33:43 I've been thinking of the wired solutions, but they seem so overkill for the place. Mar 28 14:33:43 Just not a copper wire Mar 28 14:33:58 otherwise you discover Galvanic Coupling as a concept Mar 28 14:34:53 I think i'll try some simple radio solution first as I don't need that much bandwidth. Mar 28 14:35:13 And I don't care if somebody reads my temperature data. Mar 28 14:35:47 razumihin: LoRaWAN is probably your friend then Mar 28 14:35:54 or similar Mar 28 14:36:35 There's those free bands that car keys etc. use. Mar 28 14:36:40 I could just broadcast on those. Mar 28 14:36:43 ISM Mar 28 14:37:01 razumihin: is the power to the barn fed from the same mains circuit? Thought about Powerline adaptors? Mar 28 14:37:32 Kind of, the same mains connection, but it's split quite far away. Mar 28 14:37:56 So I'm not that sure that coupling the grounds would be a good idea. Mar 28 14:38:41 you have a 250mW limit on ISM as a rule Mar 28 14:38:59 Although depending on the country you're in, there's also 27MHz and 49MHz where you can run up to 4W Mar 28 14:39:15 Yeah, haven't checked those in finland. Mar 28 14:39:43 But 27MHz and 4W would be a pretty long range transmission already :) Mar 28 14:40:20 well, then buy some crappy CB radios and some Bell 202 modem ICs and slap together a monstrosity Mar 28 14:40:21 "Officially" 4 miles line of sight Mar 28 14:40:34 Actually - I've done skip talking UK to AU with that output :) Mar 28 14:40:44 :) Mar 28 14:41:17 But oh well, now i have to leave. Mar 28 14:41:49 Maybe I'll some day make something out of this idea. Mar 28 14:42:55 One plan was to somehow combine the idea with ikea IoT system. Mar 28 17:23:49 ooh, an update Mar 28 17:24:27 Yep looks like we might get a kernel update to 4.4 sometime soonish too Mar 28 17:24:33 hoo boy this order checker sure ain't loading fast Mar 28 17:25:12 I hope gemini fixes the app issues Mar 28 17:25:16 and it scales properly Mar 28 17:25:26 have constant issues with apps crashing and being unusable in portrait mode Mar 28 17:25:38 also the pop up bar sucks balls Mar 28 17:26:29 yeah... x) Mar 28 17:26:31 serp__: I thought each app is just told to be that size, so not a lot can be done to make them use the space properly? Mar 28 17:26:32 very nice news Mar 28 17:26:37 Yeah, same Mar 28 17:26:55 Well they can scale the app so it works properly Mar 28 17:27:04 through some background process Mar 28 17:27:17 to many users trying to use it at the moment Mar 28 17:27:17 ^^ server is fucked up xD Mar 28 17:27:19 if i take my tablet and i rotate portrait to landscape no issues Mar 28 17:27:20 how technically would you do that? Mar 28 17:27:27 community ddos Mar 28 17:27:30 but why issues with Gemini? Mar 28 17:27:48 Yep. Mar 28 17:27:50 well I just turned off all the force rotates, and if the app dosn't know about landscape I rotate my hand/device Mar 28 17:27:51 server gave me an overloaded error. Mar 28 17:28:10 so you use the gemini in portrait mode? Mar 28 17:28:35 kinda defeats the purpose Mar 28 17:28:45 its only a couple of apps that don't like landscape (Android land this is) and yes I find they are touch based apps so easy to use portrait Mar 28 17:28:47 the rotate feature just needs a better scalingn factor Mar 28 17:28:54 4.4 kernel? that is... unexpected and very welcome :) Mar 28 17:28:56 mostly I'm sticking in Linux of course Mar 28 17:29:04 for example youtube does not work completely in portrait mode Mar 28 17:29:21 i guess the oslution is to just use the browser Mar 28 17:29:23 don't use any apps Mar 28 17:29:50 (and I expect the order checker is effectively DoS'ed ;) Mar 28 17:30:53 At least in this update they acknowledge that they already did the first production run, that I was supposed to be part of. Mar 28 17:35:14 Kero: yeah, it would seem so! will leave it for a few hours... Mar 28 18:56:09 hello guys Mar 28 18:56:26 what are your thoughts on the new update 52 by PC Mar 28 18:56:35 seems we will get Orio Mar 28 18:56:43 and kernel version 4.4 Mar 28 18:58:43 => nice! :) Mar 28 19:00:07 Linux News Mar 28 19:00:07 We are thrilled to see several members of the Open Source community contacting Planet and supporting the Gemini on the Linux front. To help this effort, and as promised, we have opened up the source code for the Gemini Linux kernel and bootloader. They are available on GitHub at http://github.com/dguidipc . Mar 28 19:00:07 We have released the first technology preview of Debian for Gemini. It is available on http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Linux_Support. We are further improving Debian and Linux in general. Mar 28 19:00:07 Mar 28 19:00:51 TheKit, how good news is this? Mar 28 19:01:37 devyl[m], We are also very excited to confirm that Gemini will be supporting Android 8.1 in the near future. The underlying kernel version is 4.4. All produced Gemini units will be supported. Mar 28 19:03:06 oh and they will be addressing the keyboard issues Mar 28 19:03:10 jep, very nice news... :) i hope lineageos will follow soon to support the gemini officially Mar 28 19:03:37 I guess it might since it will have the new kernel and orio Mar 28 19:04:03 but now I really excited to hear TheKit reply to all this :D Mar 28 19:05:27 sounds nice, but 4.4 might require some changes on our side, let's see when they will get it Mar 28 19:05:56 * devyl[m] too Mar 28 19:07:28 TheKit, hopefully nothing major Mar 28 19:08:07 in the meaning that it doesn't require to rebuild kernel patches or the port it self Mar 28 19:08:59 TheKit (IRC): what especially would 4.4 give us over patched 3.18? Mar 28 19:09:45 3.18 is too old to say the least am guessing Mar 28 19:09:59 I didn't see that kernel, no idea, it's likely just part of Oreo update Mar 28 19:12:17 TheKit (IRC): sorry, i thought we were talking linux side. Mar 28 19:14:07 New indiegog update. Mar 28 19:14:12 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/updates/all Mar 28 19:16:47 on Linux side... well, might make it easier porting drivers to mainline if this is ever attepted, since 4.4 is newer Mar 28 19:16:55 *attempted Mar 28 19:19:26 TheKit, that's what I was hopping too since it well a newer kernel over 3.18 Mar 28 19:21:30 TheKit (IRC): got it. thanks. i figured that it would receive security patches longer but that was about it. did't think of the mainline issue. Mar 28 19:21:31 will we be able to update linux kernels under gemini? (as you can tell, i do not know much about non-x86 stuff.) Mar 28 19:28:05 The order checker worked for me just now. Mar 28 19:28:57 the 4.4 kernel is going to be hugely patched by vendor as well, so updating to newer one isn't going to be easy Mar 28 19:30:03 TheKit: but we'll get source, right? Mar 28 19:30:07 Captain_Harlock[, yeah it worked for me the 1st try Mar 28 19:30:22 yes Mar 28 19:31:03 TheKit, you will still be using libhybis for the port? Mar 28 19:31:15 or will the new kernel be more supported for mainline Mar 28 19:31:21 and the GPU Mar 28 19:31:31 Me too. Mid April apparently.. Meh.. I can wait.. Mar 28 19:31:36 TheKit: and presumably we'll learn things from the diffs between their source and equivalent mainstream, i hope. Mar 28 19:31:40 likely still libhybris, unless something new happens Mar 28 19:32:08 TheKit, like mediatek giving the drivers? Mar 28 19:33:17 androvex[m], for me not b4 may :D Mar 28 19:33:33 am expecting end of may Mar 28 19:33:33 yes, but well, not sure how possible is it Mar 28 19:33:42 TheKit: a question i've had to which you might know the answer. does libhybris call upon the driver from an existing android install, or is the driver incorporated into the libhybris install? (wondering if using linhybris will require me to keep android around.) Mar 28 19:33:54 Well least before summer huh ? Mar 28 19:34:08 androvex[m], yeah Mar 28 19:34:12 hopefully Mar 28 19:34:32 depscribe[m], there is separate minimalistic system in LXC container, so it doesn't require to keep Android install Mar 28 19:34:44 too optimistic I was thinking I will have it end of march as a BDay gift :( :D Mar 28 19:37:05 TheKit: happy day! Mar 28 19:37:41 shoutout to Orio boys :D Mar 28 19:40:21 and now the time will slowdown more till the day I get my device Mar 28 19:41:53 Hey, mid april with the checker tool! It's still before I ever anticipated :) Mar 28 19:45:39 don't forget to apply the PC information accuracy factor to the estimates made by the tracker. Mar 28 19:47:07 TheKit: and i presume we know that the binary blobs that libhybris talks to do not do the google "phone home" thing? Mar 28 19:48:51 we can never be sure in case of blobs what they do, but at least they are not the parts that connect to Google Services Mar 28 19:50:02 depscribe[m]: at least sailfish doesn't have any real android installation for libhybris use so i'd guess it's not needed on gemini also Mar 28 20:03:44 regarding http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Android_Support is it possible to run dual boot with rooted android? Mar 28 20:10:12 yes Mar 28 20:10:31 coolio **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 29 03:00:03 2018