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Mar 31 09:51:35 <steve-marinos> cos-, congratulations mate, late is always better than never
Mar 31 10:00:36 <cos-> although i'm really tempted to put it on sale.. due to status of linux & sailfish support i could wait a couple months more
Mar 31 10:03:53 <steve-marinos> cos-, too many good news lately
Mar 31 10:04:25 <cos-> i wonder how soon it will ship if i place order today
Mar 31 10:04:27 <steve-marinos> kernel 4.4 and oreo, SFOS 3/
Mar 31 10:04:36 <greguu> wonder wonder
Mar 31 10:04:43 <greguu> when when
Mar 31 10:04:51 <greguu> but good news
Mar 31 10:05:32 <greguu> sailfish will be Sailfish X, eg with a price tag
Mar 31 10:06:24 <greguu> kernel 4.4 ? to be seen, there are no 4.4 kernels for mediatek Oreo so far
Mar 31 10:06:51 <greguu> next in line is Lenovo.. they did promise.. July 2018
Mar 31 10:06:52 <cos-> greguu: X means xperia as in sony phones
Mar 31 10:07:16 <greguu> cos- : yes, I thought so too
Mar 31 10:07:42 <steve-marinos> and if all fail sell it and get the librem 5
Mar 31 10:07:45 <greguu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0FLG673wQ0
Mar 31 10:07:50 <steve-marinos> if it ever seen production
Mar 31 10:07:53 <greguu> wrong
Mar 31 10:07:53 <cos-> the community port will probably be free and official will cost
Mar 31 10:08:00 <greguu> https://mailchi.mp/a31863e5eb53/sailfish-os-newsletter-march-2018
Mar 31 10:08:03 <greguu> right
Mar 31 10:08:22 <greguu> nice vid anyway
Mar 31 10:08:25 <greguu> lol
Mar 31 10:08:37 <greguu> the youtube one
Mar 31 10:08:58 <cos-> greguu: oh, i stand corrected
Mar 31 10:10:25 <cos-> a bit weird branding
Mar 31 10:11:26 <TheKit> regarding Sailfish, there is going to be community port released soon (without Android support and some other features), and likely official Sailfish X when Jolla does it
Mar 31 10:12:06 <TheKit> Sailfish X requires buying license, community port is free
Mar 31 10:12:32 <cos-> does "Sailfish X" == paid sailfish?
Mar 31 10:12:35 <TheKit> (to be clear, I don't have any information about Sailfish X, just how it was on Xperia)
Mar 31 10:12:41 <TheKit> yes
Mar 31 10:13:57 <TheKit> I think "X" came from "Xperia", but the latest news tell they are considering expading it to other devices like Gemini
Mar 31 10:14:02 <steve-marinos> I believe though the community are working on android support for SFOS community version
Mar 31 10:14:17 <TheKit> yes, Anbox
Mar 31 10:14:36 <steve-marinos> so where that put the paid version once it is ported ?
Mar 31 10:14:54 <steve-marinos> created "anbox"
Mar 31 10:16:13 <TheKit> paid version has proprietary Alien Dalvik as Android compatibility layer, Anbox is different and the port for Sailfish is in early development stage
Mar 31 10:16:13 <cos-> steve-marinos: the paid version has some other closed source stuff.. exchange support at least, i don't remember exactly what else. i think maps was also closed.
Mar 31 10:16:35 <TheKit> Exchange support, XT9 for text correction (well, I guess we don't really need that with HW keyboard)
Mar 31 10:16:39 <cos-> alien dalvik works surprisingly well
Mar 31 10:17:04 <cos-> at least i'll be happy to pay for sailfishx just to get first class android support
Mar 31 10:17:25 <greguu> I run the community port on my Nexus 5, and it is fine. some gliches with the multi touch sometimes..
Mar 31 10:17:25 <cos-> the maps app is also quite good but simple
Mar 31 10:17:50 <greguu> I do not need google apps, alien dalvik
Mar 31 10:20:05 <greguu> but, for the gemini, landscape orientation improvements and hw keyboard support in SFOS 3 shoud make it into SFOS X too
Mar 31 10:20:11 <steve-marinos> well I guess I might buy the "X=paid" version if it will support Gemini, just because am planning on dual booting SFOS/Debian
Mar 31 10:20:59 <steve-marinos> and might need some apps that might not be ported or cloned in SFOS
Mar 31 10:21:26 <greguu> steve-marions: I would go for SFOS for calls and 4g, boot into linux.. as second option, too
Mar 31 10:22:38 <greguu> not sure the cost, about $80 USD ?
Mar 31 10:22:50 <steve-marinos> not sure what the linux side would have from apps that I might need like say whatsapp, here we are dependent on this chatting app and such
Mar 31 10:23:15 <greguu> well I do not expect that from linux..
Mar 31 10:23:51 <steve-marinos> so it is all now speculations till we hold a mature software on the Gemini on both SFOS and linux
Mar 31 10:24:25 <steve-marinos> so i guess at least in the beginning am gonna have to rely a bit on android till things get developed and mature
Mar 31 10:24:41 <steve-marinos> Oreo for a start might be good enough in the beginning
Mar 31 10:26:01 <steve-marinos> now am keeping my eyes on the librem 5 if they succeed they might have a good device in the future
Mar 31 10:27:02 <steve-marinos> and since they also make laptops they might get interested in a communicator like device running pureos
Mar 31 10:27:48 <steve-marinos> but lets say gemini success might be an inspiration for the future
Mar 31 15:23:59 <depscribe[m]> greguu: is it possible to configure the same storage for both sides, i.e., doing work in linux and then booting sailfish to send it?
Mar 31 16:52:52 <steve-marinos> TheKit, in simple language what does this means? The Librem 5 phone will be the world's first ever IP-native mobile handset, using end-to-end encrypted decentralized communication.
Mar 31 16:53:50 <TheKit> they plan to integrate Matrix support into it
Mar 31 16:54:25 <steve-marinos> but what is IP-native mobile handset?
Mar 31 16:55:06 <steve-marinos> is it something like VOIP but using IP/LTE lets say
Mar 31 16:58:05 <steve-marinos> TheKit, I did read the part they are partnering with Matrix, but I did not understand the IP-native mobile handset
Mar 31 16:59:26 <TheKit> steve-marinos, I support that's just marketing thing to say "internet calls/messaging integrated and by default"
Mar 31 16:59:32 <steve-marinos> from what to expect is kind of call security specially from librem to librem phone
Mar 31 16:59:35 <TheKit> *suppose
Mar 31 17:00:35 <TheKit> of course, that's going to be encrypted and everything, but boils down to having Matrix integrated
Mar 31 17:01:12 <steve-marinos> yeah true, the main focus is freedom and privacy
Mar 31 17:01:40 <steve-marinos> but what are they doing over lets SFOS tried to do beside the matrix partnership
Mar 31 17:01:48 <steve-marinos> lets say*
Mar 31 17:03:54 <TheKit> I think their main point is providing hardware with full OSS support and hardware-level modem switch
Mar 31 17:03:56 <steve-marinos> speaking of security and privacy I was kinda surprise to see recently and ad on facebook of a device "ockel sirius" just couple hours after i was looking at indiegogo website, makes you wonder how much is being tracked
Mar 31 17:04:03 <TheKit> as for software, we just need to wait and see
Mar 31 17:05:19 <steve-marinos> yeah pureos seems promising and they claim that you should be able to install any linux distro on the librem 5
Mar 31 17:05:46 <steve-marinos> not sure about dual booting though
Mar 31 17:07:34 <steve-marinos> estimated delivery jan 2019 also, by then things might change drastically
Mar 31 17:10:33 <steve-marinos> TheKit, seems it is just advertising here is what was the reply on librem 5 forum for the same question i asked : It just means that it’s meant to be used for doing VoIP (Voice Over IP) calls. You can still do regular phone calls since it will have support for a SIM card, but for enhanced security, doing secure encrypted IP calls is better and this would be the first phone to be designed with that in mind.
Mar 31 17:11:43 <TheKit> <s>yeah-yeah, first phone (looks at N900)</s>
Mar 31 17:11:50 <steve-marinos> so I believe that is the role of Matrix
Mar 31 17:12:00 <steve-marinos> TheKit, so true :D
Mar 31 17:14:42 <steve-marinos> TheKit, still interesting to see it come to life, variety is something I like
Mar 31 17:15:34 <TheKit> surely
Mar 31 17:16:23 <DaPol2_> First phone? So the Netgear Skype handsets weren't, nor the flood of BREW Skype native devices back in the early teenies?
Mar 31 17:17:57 <steve-marinos> DaPol2_, well it is all marketing it seems, kinda way apple do it :D
Mar 31 17:20:43 <steve-marinos> still I am interested to see it come alive if ever... might consider one if it was a success
Mar 31 17:47:19 <akik> steve-marinos: when a website's privacy policy starts with "your privacy is important to us", it usually means they are part of the web tracking :)
Mar 31 17:49:01 <DaPol2_> akik: Your privacy *is* important to them - if you have some then they lose money, so it's important to know whether you have any, and then to subvert it :)
Mar 31 17:49:30 <steve-marinos> akik, these days all track everything, no more private digital life
Mar 31 17:56:49 <akik> there are many things you can do yourself to make it harder for them, but it also makes it harder for you, and it's not resolving the bigger problem
Mar 31 17:57:13 <steve-marinos> akik, DaPol2_ TheKit here is the facebook suggestion that I never seen before till today and after I surfed indiegogo yesterday looking at some devices, this was one of them... https://imgur.com/a/PsbWI
Mar 31 17:57:45 <steve-marinos> man they are fast
Mar 31 18:00:14 <akik> we need an internet reset
Mar 31 18:00:42 <akik> i hopr this facebook snafu brings a change to something
Mar 31 18:01:40 <akik> i hate touch screen typing with a passion :(
Mar 31 18:01:47 <steve-marinos> akik, it is not only FB
Mar 31 18:02:59 <steve-marinos> do you think android/google or apple are any better?
Mar 31 18:04:31 <akik> google is deep in that business
Mar 31 18:05:37 <steve-marinos> I read somewhere that google even sell your searches in the google play so the investors know exactly your interests and act accordingly etc ...
Mar 31 18:09:26 <steve-marinos> I know it get deeper than this, so it is either you isolate yourself away from digital life or try your best and keep it minimal, like I don't use FB anymore but for my hobbies and I rarely post anything that have to do with my private personal life, except some of the hobbies that include games and hunting etc ...
Mar 31 18:12:26 <akik> i have a long list of settings and add-ons i install when i have a new firefox installation
Mar 31 18:12:38 <akik> irc is my social media
Mar 31 18:13:48 <DaPol2_> https://imgur.com/a/PsbWI
Mar 31 18:14:33 <steve-marinos> well here I have to follow the flow as most use chat apps like whatsapp to communicate
Mar 31 18:15:14 <steve-marinos> DaPol2_, you just posted my imgur post :D
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